safe mode

Hello,
I have an Ethernet connection to xdsl High Speed Internet. The Primary
Network Logon is set at Windows Logon, such that when users logon on to
windows they are logging on to network at the same time. Since there is no
Network Logon with this configuration and many online AS and AV and FW that
make system calls to the disk, I am having problems running the maintenance
programs like Scandisk and Defragmentation. If I drop the FW while online
the system will get hammered. If I go into Safe Mode, does this disconnect
the machine from the internet so I can run these programs?

Brian
Fri Apr 11 13:05:42 PDT 2008

"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> I have an Ethernet connection to xdsl High Speed Internet. The Primary
> Network Logon is set at Windows Logon, such that when users logon on to
> windows they are logging on to network at the same time. Since there is no
> Network Logon with this configuration and many online AS and AV and FW that
> make system calls to the disk, I am having problems running the maintenance
> programs like Scandisk and Defragmentation. If I drop the FW while online
> the system will get hammered. If I go into Safe Mode, does this disconnect
> the machine from the internet so I can run these programs?
>
>

You will not have web access while in Safe Mode and it's better to run
Scandisk/Defrag in Safe Mode anyway since only the minimal drivers and software
needed to run are loaded, therefore reducing any interference.

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Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Fan924
Sat Apr 12 09:08:45 PDT 2008

FYI ..... If you want a way to easily connect and reconnect to the
internet, create a shortcut to C:\windows\winipcfg.exe. Then simply
select "release" or "renew".

Fan924
Sat Apr 12 09:11:11 PDT 2008

FYI ..... If you want a way to easily disconnect and reconnect to the
internet, create a shortcut to C:\windows\winipcfg.exe. Then simply
select "release" or "renew".

Jim
Sat Apr 12 10:27:50 PDT 2008

I have this shortcut on the desktop. I have used that to put the machine
into standby mode when on public ip pass thru, however with ICS on the
device driver will not allow the standby mode. The ip address would be
0.0.0.0 for ipv4. Although this is not an assigned or meaningful ip address,
it does not mean that it is [protected]. I really am not certain about
0.0.0.0. or 1.1.1.1. The link local is 169.254.x.x is another ip assigned
address that does not allow for access to the internet...but does not
specify whether or not it is a [protected mode] ip. The ICS is 192.x.x.x
with subnet 255.x.x.x depending on the size of the subnets. It has basic NAT
for the subnets, but here to not necessarily [protected mode] of operation,
and not for the gateway. A good point worth investigating though.
"Fan924" <a924fan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3f734235-62c4-4121-8828-3029321d4a0d@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> FYI ..... If you want a way to easily disconnect and reconnect to the
> internet, create a shortcut to C:\windows\winipcfg.exe. Then simply
> select "release" or "renew".

Jim
Sat Apr 12 10:33:57 PDT 2008

Brian, you say no web access from this side but what about from the outside
internet? Is safe mode [safe] from the continuous port scanning and
connection attempts etc. of the internet?

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:u9Wrs9AnIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ekXKImAnIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Hello,
> > I have an Ethernet connection to xdsl High Speed Internet. The Primary
> > Network Logon is set at Windows Logon, such that when users logon on to
> > windows they are logging on to network at the same time. Since there is
no
> > Network Logon with this configuration and many online AS and AV and FW
that
> > make system calls to the disk, I am having problems running the
maintenance
> > programs like Scandisk and Defragmentation. If I drop the FW while
online
> > the system will get hammered. If I go into Safe Mode, does this
disconnect
> > the machine from the internet so I can run these programs?
> >
> >
>
> You will not have web access while in Safe Mode and it's better to run
> Scandisk/Defrag in Safe Mode anyway since only the minimal drivers and
software
> needed to run are loaded, therefore reducing any interference.
>
> --
>
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>

Brian
Sat Apr 12 17:37:22 PDT 2008

There is no network connection either way in Safe Mode.

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Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


"Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:uZyXtNMnIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Brian, you say no web access from this side but what about from the outside
> internet? Is safe mode [safe] from the continuous port scanning and
> connection attempts etc. of the internet?
>
> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> news:u9Wrs9AnIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:ekXKImAnIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > Hello,
>> > I have an Ethernet connection to xdsl High Speed Internet. The Primary
>> > Network Logon is set at Windows Logon, such that when users logon on to
>> > windows they are logging on to network at the same time. Since there is
> no
>> > Network Logon with this configuration and many online AS and AV and FW
> that
>> > make system calls to the disk, I am having problems running the
> maintenance
>> > programs like Scandisk and Defragmentation. If I drop the FW while
> online
>> > the system will get hammered. If I go into Safe Mode, does this
> disconnect
>> > the machine from the internet so I can run these programs?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> You will not have web access while in Safe Mode and it's better to run
>> Scandisk/Defrag in Safe Mode anyway since only the minimal drivers and
> software
>> needed to run are loaded, therefore reducing any interference.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>
>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>
>>
>
>

Jim
Sun Apr 13 09:54:34 PDT 2008

Thanks for clarifying that point. I thought that was so; It is better to
know than to assume.

"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
news:OT6OL6PnIHA.1680@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> There is no network connection either way in Safe Mode.
>
> --
>
>
> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>
> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>
>
> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uZyXtNMnIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Brian, you say no web access from this side but what about from the
outside
> > internet? Is safe mode [safe] from the continuous port scanning and
> > connection attempts etc. of the internet?
> >
> > "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
> > news:u9Wrs9AnIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:ekXKImAnIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> > Hello,
> >> > I have an Ethernet connection to xdsl High Speed Internet. The
Primary
> >> > Network Logon is set at Windows Logon, such that when users logon on
to
> >> > windows they are logging on to network at the same time. Since there
is
> > no
> >> > Network Logon with this configuration and many online AS and AV and
FW
> > that
> >> > make system calls to the disk, I am having problems running the
> > maintenance
> >> > programs like Scandisk and Defragmentation. If I drop the FW while
> > online
> >> > the system will get hammered. If I go into Safe Mode, does this
> > disconnect
> >> > the machine from the internet so I can run these programs?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> You will not have web access while in Safe Mode and it's better to
run
> >> Scandisk/Defrag in Safe Mode anyway since only the minimal drivers and
> > software
> >> needed to run are loaded, therefore reducing any interference.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
> >>
> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Franc
Sun Apr 13 13:16:39 PDT 2008

On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:54:34 -0400, "Jim" <invalid@example.invalid>
put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Thanks for clarifying that point. I thought that was so; It is better to
>know than to assume.
>
>"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>news:OT6OL6PnIHA.1680@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> There is no network connection either way in Safe Mode.

Maybe the online help for win.com can put your mind at rest. AISI, you
can have Safe Mode with (F6) or without (F5) networking.

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C:\WINDOWS>win /?

Starts Windows.

WIN [/D:[F][M][S][V][X]]

/D Used for troubleshooting when Windows does not start correctly.

:F Turns off 32-bit disk access.
Equivalent to SYSTEM.INI file setting: 32BitDiskAccess=FALSE.

:M Enables Safe mode.
This is automatically enabled during Safe start (function key F5).

:N Enables Safe mode with networking.
This is automatically enabled during Safe start (function key F6).
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- Franc Zabkar
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