Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
creation?

Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
about this...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by Gary

Gary
Mon Apr 21 19:41:42 PDT 2008

That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend DO
NOT use Hotmail or Live.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OrxQTyBpIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> creation?
>
> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> about this...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>


Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by PA

PA
Mon Apr 21 19:51:44 PDT 2008

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614

No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
--
~PA Bear

MEB wrote:
> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> creation?
>
> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> about this...


Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by dot

dot
Mon Apr 21 20:16:30 PDT 2008

Same here, just about coincident with the time it was
purchased by MS and started to require java, every
cookie and script in the book to access and use the site.


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:u7BirKCpIHA.2636@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> That the last time I used a Hotmail account was ten years ago. Recommend
DO
> NOT use Hotmail or Live.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OrxQTyBpIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> > Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> > The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
> > to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> > Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> > creation?
> >
> > Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> > about this...
> >
> > --
> > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> > --
> > _________



Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by MEB

MEB
Mon Apr 21 22:24:53 PDT 2008


"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uzpopUCpIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| cf.
|
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
|
| No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
| --
| ~PA Bear

Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.

So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
information pulled from the threads PA referenced.>

---------
Hello All,

I wanted to take some time to address the concerns/questions that have
started on this thread.


Microsoft is doing this to force people onto the client: False. We are
doing this because the DAV protocol is inefficient on larger mailbox sizes.
Once Hotmail upgrade storage space synchronization issues happen within DAV.
DeltaSynch is a stable protocol that will be able to efficiently handle
large
accounts.


This locks people into a Microsoft client to access Hotmail: False. Hotmail
customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other clients
such
as Thunderbird. Though Live Mail is optimized for usage against Hotmail, it
is not the single choice for connection. You will also be able to continue
full access through your browser.


Does this affect Live Hotmail and Outlook Connector - Yes. Any user
utilizing Outlook connector 1.8 or earlier will need to upgrade to the new
OLC. Live Mail is currently DeltaSynch ready and Live Hotmail is available
through your browser.


-----
Scott Hammer
Sr. Supportability Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation

------- end post

Subject: Re: ANN: MS Announces Changes for Accessing Hotmail with Outlook
Expre
To correct myself...

Hotmail customers are able to utilize POP3, or as mentioned below, other
clients such as Thunderbird.


I meant Hotmail PLUS customers are able to utilize POP3 as they currently
do...


---
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
----

So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
process?


|
| MEB wrote:
| > Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
| > Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
| > The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
DeltaSynch
| > to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
| > Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
| > creation?
| >
| > Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
| > about this...
|

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________




Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by pjp

pjp
Tue Apr 22 07:34:30 PDT 2008

What I know is that I've been using Hotmail and accessing it via Outlook
Express for over a decade now. I seldom ever use any web based email account
via the browser except for accounts setup specifically to give a valid email
account when registering at a site etc. (gmail etc.) as I never give out my
actual ISP email address (and hence get basically no spam in it).

What is nice about OE interface is that I get a local copy on my pc of the
email. That means I can easily move it into another folder and eventually it
gets saved to cd during periodic backup. Now I'll be "forced" to basically
forward Hotmail email to my isp email account for saving. That's better
way!!!???

My own take on things is that MS eventually wants all their software to be
"downloaded as required" with as little as possible kept on local pc. Well
have some "stub" for (as example) Word and when we go to start it the actual
software will be downloaded as needed so we can be billed for it's use every
time that happens.

This Live crap is the harbinger of that design, e.g. get people used to it
first, slowly creep it into mindset etc.


"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OrxQTyBpIHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
> creation?
>
> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
> about this...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
>



Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by PA

PA
Tue Apr 22 08:08:14 PDT 2008

PS: If you're a Windows Live Hotmail Plus subscriber *and* access your
Hotmail account in OE via POP3, this policy change will NOT affect you.
--
~PA Bear

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:
> cf.
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>
> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>
> MEB wrote:
>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol DeltaSynch
>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>> creation?
>>
>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
>> about this...


Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by PA

PA
Tue Apr 22 08:36:54 PDT 2008

[Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups
for widest exposure.]

> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
> process?

Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:

1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
account hasn't been accessed for XX days).

2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving ANYTHING!]

2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General | Include
this account when sending or synchronizing

If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not attempt
to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail messages and
folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant) server. <eg>

NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll the
account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
(non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!

3. Prior to 30 June 2008:

a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not available
in all countries); *and*

b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).

===============

Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
DTS-L http://dts-l.net/


MEB wrote:
> PA Bear wrote:
>> cf.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>
>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>
> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>
> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
<snip>

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3

</snip>
> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live, registered
> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
> process?
>
>> MEB wrote:
>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>> DeltaSynch
>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>>> creation?
>>>
>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
>>> about this...


Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by Windows

Windows
Tue Apr 22 10:17:25 PDT 2008

PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you install
WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.

-s

--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
> being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE newsgroups
> for widest exposure.]
>
>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>> registered
>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
>> process?
>
> Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
>
> 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
> after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
> account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
>
> 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
> folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
> folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
> ANYTHING!]
>
> 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
> Include this account when sending or synchronizing
>
> If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
> attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail
> messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
> server. <eg>
>
> NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
> the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
> (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!
>
> 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
>
> a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not available
> in all countries); *and*
>
> b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
>
> ===============
>
> Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
> --
> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>
>
> MEB wrote:
>> PA Bear wrote:
>>> cf.
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>>
>>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>>
>> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>>
>> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
>> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
> <snip>
>
> cf.
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
>
> cf.
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
>
> </snip>
>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>> registered
>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in the
>> process?
>>
>>> MEB wrote:
>>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and Vista.
>>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>>> DeltaSynch
>>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>>>> creation?
>>>>
>>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others think
>>>> about this...
>


Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by PA

PA
Tue Apr 22 10:34:31 PDT 2008

Continuing the crosspost to microsoft.public.internet.mail,
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion, and
microsoft.public.win98.internet.outlookexpress newsgroups.

NB: This thread originated in microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion
newsgroup and is a Win9x-specific discussion

Windows Live Mail is not supported in Win9x.
--
~PA Bear

Windows Live Mail Technologies Support wrote:
> PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
> install
> WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
>
> -s
>
>> [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
>> being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
>> newsgroups
>> for widest exposure.]
>>
>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>> registered
>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>> the
>>> process?
>>
>> Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
>>
>> 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail page
>> after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
>> account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
>>
>> 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
>> folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
>> folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
>> ANYTHING!]
>>
>> 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
>> Include this account when sending or synchronizing
>>
>> If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
>> attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail
>> messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
>> server. <eg>
>>
>> NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
>> the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
>> (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from OE!
>>
>> 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
>>
>> a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not
>> available
>> in all countries); *and*
>>
>> b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
>> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
>>
>> ===============
>>
>> Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
>> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
>> --
>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>
>>
>> MEB wrote:
>>> PA Bear wrote:
>>>> cf.
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>>>
>>>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>>>
>>> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>>>
>>> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
>>> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
>> <snip>
>>
>> cf.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
>>
>> cf.
>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
>>
>> </snip>
>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>> registered
>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>> the
>>> process?
>>>
>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
>>>>> Vista.
>>>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>>>> DeltaSynch
>>>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft problematic
>>>>> creation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
>>>>> think
>>>>> about this...


Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by MEB

MEB
Tue Apr 22 10:58:56 PDT 2008

Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this account
was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government, and
DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court submissions,
email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I recently
linked this account.

The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
intact.

As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:

Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the inbox
of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the other
link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course prior to
the date published]?
NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need moved
from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be closed due
to this new format. There certainly are other services available.

Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the Windows
98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this installation
into any other Microsoft OS available

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
<WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
| PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
install
| WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
|
| -s
|
| --
| Scott Hammer
| Sr. Support Program Manager
| Windows Live Mail Technologies
| Microsoft Corporation
| "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
| news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
| > being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
newsgroups
| > for widest exposure.]
| >
| >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
| >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| >> registered
| >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
the
| >> process?
| >
| > Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
| >
| > 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail
page
| > after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
| > account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
| >
| > 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
| > folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
| > folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
| > ANYTHING!]
| >
| > 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
| > Include this account when sending or synchronizing
| >
| > If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
| > attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail
| > messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
| > server. <eg>
| >
| > NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
| > the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
| > (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from
OE!
| >
| > 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
| >
| > a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not
available
| > in all countries); *and*
| >
| > b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
| >
http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
| >
| > ===============
| >
| > Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
| > https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
| > --
| > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
| > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
| > AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
| > DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
| >
| >
| > MEB wrote:
| >> PA Bear wrote:
| >>> cf.
| >>>
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
| >>>
| >>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
| >>>
| >> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
| >>
| >> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
| >> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
| > <snip>
| >
| > cf.
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
| >
| > cf.
| >
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
| >
| > </snip>
| >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
| >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
| >> registered
| >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
the
| >> process?
| >>
| >>> MEB wrote:
| >>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
| >>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
Vista.
| >>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
| >>>> DeltaSynch
| >>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
| >>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
problematic
| >>>> creation?
| >>>>
| >>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
think
| >>>> about this...
| >
|



Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by PA

PA
Tue Apr 22 11:12:55 PDT 2008

> As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum...

NB lurkers: MEB is replying to Scott Hammer of the WLMail team here, not me.

MS MVPs do *not* represent Microsoft. Thank you.
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002


MEB wrote:
> Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this account
> was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government, and
> DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court
> submissions,
> email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
> Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
> However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I recently
> linked this account.
>
> The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
> intact.
>
> As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:
>
> Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the
> inbox
> of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the other
> link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course prior
> to
> the date published]?
> NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need moved
> from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be closed
> due
> to this new format. There certainly are other services available.
>
> Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the
> Windows
> 98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this installation
> into any other Microsoft OS available
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>
> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
>> PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
>> install
>> WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
>>
>> -s
>>
>> --
>> Scott Hammer
>> Sr. Support Program Manager
>> Windows Live Mail Technologies
>> Microsoft Corporation
>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is supposedly
>>> being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
>>> newsgroups
>>> for widest exposure.]
>>>
>>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>>> registered
>>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>>> the
>>>> process?
>>>
>>> Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
>>>
>>> 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail
>>> page
>>> after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
>>> account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
>>>
>>> 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
>>> folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
>>> folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
>>> ANYTHING!]
>>>
>>> 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
>>> Include this account when sending or synchronizing
>>>
>>> If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
>>> attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail
>>> messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the (non-existant)
>>> server. <eg>
>>>
>>> NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or poll
>>> the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with the
>>> (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from
>>> OE!
>>>
>>> 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
>>>
>>> a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not
>>> available
>>> in all countries); *and*
>>>
>>> b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3 (cf.
>>>
> http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!171.entry).
>>>
>>> ===============
>>>
>>> Windows Live Hotmail Support & FAQ
>>> https://support.live.com/eform.aspx?productKey=wlmail&ct=eformts
>>> --
>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>
>>>
>>> MEB wrote:
>>>> PA Bear wrote:
>>>>> cf.
>>>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/browse_frm/thread/54b191d2ef1c9614
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Windows Live Mail is NOT supported in Win9x.
>>>>>
>>>> Okay, we discussed a year or so ago the Live Mail issue.
>>>>
>>>> So perhaps it might be advisable to include HERE some of the purported
>>>> information pulled from the threads PA referenced.
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> cf.
>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/94fd442cf4ac054e
>>>
>>> cf.
>>>
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser/msg/5d4a99b1322267f3
>>>
>>> </snip>
>>>> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
>>>> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
>>>> registered
>>>> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
>>>> the
>>>> process?
>>>>
>>>>> MEB wrote:
>>>>>> Just received notice that there is a new client needed soon to access
>>>>>> Hotmail and Live accounts, which apparently only supports XP and
>>>>>> Vista.
>>>>>> The reason: Microsoft has created another proprietary protocol
>>>>>> DeltaSynch
>>>>>> to replace its previous proprietary protocol DAV.
>>>>>> Someone tell me why users should install ANOTHER Microsoft
>>>>>> problematic
>>>>>> creation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another brilliantly stupid idea from Microsoft. So what do others
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> about this...


Re: Windows Live - no more Outlook Express by Windows

Windows
Tue Apr 22 15:44:17 PDT 2008

Hi MEB,

I'm hoping that I understand the question correctly, please let me know if
not. When you accessed this account in Outlook Express, did you save
messages on the server? If so, then those mails will still be located in
your Hotmail folder, provided there isn't inactivity >90 days.

If you didn't save them on the server, then these mails will be located in
your Outlook Express mail data file. This is what will be migrated if you
install WLM. This tool does work very well. That being said, Microsoft does
not make any implicit or explicit statements regarding the integrity of data
involved in that migration. As the owner of that data, you are solely
responsible for backing up your data and ensuring recoverability. The
Windows Live Hotmail service does not hold long term data backups of
accounts.

I also want to be clear that this doesn't have any affect on the Windows
Live Hotmail web interface, only accessing Hotmail through HTTP using DAV in
Outlook Express. I hope this helps to answer your concerns. If not, I'm
happy to continue to help.

-so

--
Scott Hammer
Sr. Support Program Manager
Windows Live Mail Technologies
Microsoft Corporation
"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eGEZoJKpIHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Well, that's all well and good for Microsoft I suppose, but this account
> was specifically setup for registration to the courts and government, and
> DOES contain irreplaceable and important [think Notices, court
> submissions,
> email confirmations and other pursuant the CM/ECF {Electronic Case
> Management System} of the court system] and is the web only interface.
> However, I also have another private Hotmail account to which I recently
> linked this account.
>
> The question was how to get these documents off the web only account
> intact.
>
> As you are now representing Microsoft's issues in this forum:
>
> Would transferring these "can not destroy or modify" documents to the
> inbox
> of the web only account folder, then allow me to pull these via the other
> link Hotmail account via OE WITHOUT damage or loss [done of course prior
> to
> the date published]?
> NOTE: there a few hundred saved court and other messages which need moved
> from this service as the web and private accounts will likely be closed
> due
> to this new format. There certainly are other services available.
>
> Forget the new interface installation, this is being posted via the
> Windows
> 98 general discussion group. And I likely will not place this installation
> into any other Microsoft OS available
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Windows Live Mail Technologies Support"
> <WindowsLiveMailTechnologiesSupport@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:C9B69094-0C08-48BD-AA0D-9266804906D0@microsoft.com...
> | PA is correct. There is also a migration that will happen when you
> install
> | WLM from Oe that should take care of this as well.
> |
> | -s
> |
> | --
> | Scott Hammer
> | Sr. Support Program Manager
> | Windows Live Mail Technologies
> | Microsoft Corporation
> | "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message
> | news:eEwvA9IpIHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > [Crossposted to the little-trafficked Internet Mail (which is
> supposedly
> | > being monitored by the Windows Live Mail team now) and Win98.OE
> newsgroups
> | > for widest exposure.]
> | >
> | >> So PA how do I pull all the legal documents, court notices, and other
> | >> contained upon and within my specifically created hotmail/live,
> | >> registered
> | >> with the government account, WITHOUT the materials being destroyed in
> the
> | >> process?
> | >
> | > Actually, Win9x users have a few choices here:
> | >
> | > 1. You'll still be able to access your email archive via the webmail
> page
> | > after 30 June 2008. IOW your data won't be deleted there (unless the
> | > account hasn't been accessed for XX days).
> | >
> | > 2a. You can Copy or Move all Hotmail messages to one or more local OE
> | > folders for archiving prior to 30 June 2008. [Do NOT use the OE local
> | > folders Inbox, Sent Items, or Deleted Items folders for archiving
> | > ANYTHING!]
> | >
> | > 2b. OE Tools | Accounts | Mail | [Hotmail] | Properties | General |
> | > Include this account when sending or synchronizing
> | >
> | > If you disable the above option /prior to 30 June 2008/, OE will not
> | > attempt to sync with the WebDAV server again; therefore your Hotmail
> | > messages and folders in OE won't/can't be deleted by the
> (non-existant)
> | > server. <eg>
> | >
> | > NB: If you attempt to send a message using your Hotmail account or
> poll
> | > the account for new messages, OE *will* attempt to synchronize with
> the
> | > (non-existant) WebDAV server and all your data *will* be deleted from
> OE!
> | >
> | > 3. Prior to 30 June 2008:
> | >
> | > a. subscribe to Windows Live Hotmail Plus (US$19.95/year; not
> available
> | > in all countries); *and*
> | >
> | > b. make sure you're accessing the Hotmail account in OE via POP3
> (cf.
> | >
&g