ISA Plug and Play not working (clean install)

Are there are any noteworthy BIOS or Windows 98 settings I need to be
aware of to get Win98 successfully installed on a QDI Advance 9 or 10
mobo? (VIA chipset). The reason I ask is that I am having a problem
with Win98's ISA Plug and Play mechanism. Win98 is unable to detect
any PnP ISA cards. Please note this occurs with the CMOS settings
cleared and a clean Win98 install, plus I'm just using a basic VGA
graphics card only, or occasionally this graphics card with a
Soundblaster AWE64 (PnP ISA).

For either hardware configuration mentioned above, inside Device
Manager there appears to be some kind of resource problem with this
System resource:

"IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator"

Looking at the configuration details, there's a conflict with both the
Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo) and also with VIA Bus Master PCI
IDE Controller. I've tried changing the above-mentioned "ISA PnP
enumerator's" resources to fix the conflict, but my changes don't
appear to make an effect. Also, I don't seem to be able to adjust
either of the two conflicting Controller's IRQ values, although I'm
not too sure if that would help.

I went to the chipset maker (VIA) website and downloaded a "4-in-1"
chipset driver package and installed it, but unfortunately it didn't
fix the problem. The BIOS appears to be on its latest revision. I
also scoured the net's newsgroups and couldn't find any help that I
haven't already tried.

Thanks a lot if anyone can help, best regards, Robert.

philo
Sat Apr 19 08:15:35 PDT 2008


"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:939a36bf-d3bb-450c-9662-6a3ec8abf7a0@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Are there are any noteworthy BIOS or Windows 98 settings I need to be
> aware of to get Win98 successfully installed on a QDI Advance 9 or 10
> mobo? (VIA chipset). The reason I ask is that I am having a problem
> with Win98's ISA Plug and Play mechanism. Win98 is unable to detect
> any PnP ISA cards. Please note this occurs with the CMOS settings
> cleared and a clean Win98 install, plus I'm just using a basic VGA
> graphics card only, or occasionally this graphics card with a
> Soundblaster AWE64 (PnP ISA).
>
> For either hardware configuration mentioned above, inside Device
> Manager there appears to be some kind of resource problem with this
> System resource:
>
> "IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator"
>
> Looking at the configuration details, there's a conflict with both the
> Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo) and also with VIA Bus Master PCI
> IDE Controller. I've tried changing the above-mentioned "ISA PnP
> enumerator's" resources to fix the conflict, but my changes don't
> appear to make an effect. Also, I don't seem to be able to adjust
> either of the two conflicting Controller's IRQ values, although I'm
> not too sure if that would help.
>
> I went to the chipset maker (VIA) website and downloaded a "4-in-1"
> chipset driver package and installed it, but unfortunately it didn't
> fix the problem. The BIOS appears to be on its latest revision. I
> also scoured the net's newsgroups and couldn't find any help that I
> haven't already tried.
>
> Thanks a lot if anyone can help, best regards, Robert.


ISA cards typically have jumpers to set the IRQ's...
and if so, the jumpers need to be set manually to avoid conflicts, which
cannot be resolved
from either a bios setting or from within the OS.

My advice would be to remove all ISA cards but one...and once that is
configured...
add the second one...but be sure to manually configure it so as not to
conflict
with the one already setup.

It will definitely take some patience and an amount of trial and error.

Also note that at least *some* ISA cards have two distinct jumper
configurations...
that being manual or plug & play...so if you do have an ISA card with a plug
& play jumper setting...using that
might assuage your conflict problems

rpgs
Sat Apr 19 08:54:13 PDT 2008

On 19 Apr, 16:15, "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:939a36b=
f-d3bb-450c-9662-6a3ec8abf7a0@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Are there are any noteworthy BIOS or Windows 98 settings I need to be
> > aware of to get Win98 successfully installed on a QDI Advance 9 or 10
> > mobo? =A0(VIA chipset). =A0The reason I ask is that I am having a proble=
m
> > with Win98's ISA Plug and Play mechanism. =A0Win98 is unable to detect
> > any PnP ISA cards. =A0Please note this occurs with the CMOS settings
> > cleared and a clean Win98 install, plus I'm just using a basic VGA
> > graphics card only, or occasionally this graphics card with a
> > Soundblaster AWE64 (PnP ISA).
>
> > For either hardware configuration mentioned above, inside Device
> > Manager there appears to be some kind of resource problem with this
> > System resource:
>
> > "IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator"
>
> > Looking at the configuration details, there's a conflict with both the
> > Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo) and also with VIA Bus Master PCI
> > IDE Controller. =A0I've tried changing the above-mentioned "ISA PnP
> > enumerator's" resources to fix the conflict, but my changes don't
> > appear to make an effect. =A0Also, I don't seem to be able to adjust
> > either of the two conflicting Controller's IRQ values, although I'm
> > not too sure if that would help.
>
> > I went to the chipset maker (VIA) website and downloaded a "4-in-1"
> > chipset driver package and installed it, but unfortunately it didn't
> > fix the problem. =A0The BIOS appears to be on its latest revision. =A0I
> > also scoured the net's newsgroups and couldn't find any help that I
> > haven't already tried.
>
> > Thanks a lot if anyone can help, best regards, Robert.
>
> ISA cards typically have jumpers to set the IRQ's...
> and if so, the jumpers need to be set manually to avoid conflicts, which
> cannot be resolved
> from either a bios setting or from within the OS.
>
> My advice would be to remove all ISA cards but one...and once that is
> configured...
> add the second one...but be sure to manually configure it so as not to
> conflict
> with the one already setup.
>
> It will definitely take some patience and an amount of trial and error.
>
> Also note that at least *some* ISA cards have two distinct jumper
> configurations...
> that being manual or plug & play...so if you do have an ISA card with a pl=
ug
> & play jumper setting...using that
> might assuage your conflict problems- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi. Actually this resource conflict issue occurs whether I either use
my PnP ISA card (a Soundblaster AWE64) or no ISA cards at all. (The
AWE64 card is ISA PnP - it appears not to have any configurable
jumpers.)

I am wondering if this problem can be solved by disabling both onboard
IDE ports in the BIOS, and then using a PCI IDE card for my HDD and
DVD drive. My theory is that this will dispense with the need to use
the onboard VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller and the Secondary IDE
Controller, because I think that this may be the source of the
resource conflict problem. However, I also wonder if the onboard PCI
to ISA bridge mechanism is not functioning as it should.

Any further thoughts gratefully received, thanks, regards, Robert.

MEB
Sat Apr 19 09:59:46 PDT 2008

http://www.qdigrp.com/qdisite/eng/products/Advance9.htm
http://www.motherboard.cz/mb/qdi/Advance%209.htm - BIOS/chipset - !
scripting caution

Unless absolutely necessary, leave the VIA enabled. The conflict is likely
not there.

Remove all add-in cards. Restart Normal and uninstall any related software.
RESTART in Safe Mode and check for any ghost entries. Remove any found or !
devices. Make sure to check for the Blaster and remove everything related.
Shut down.

RESTART. Make sure the BIOS/CMOS is set for PnP OS installed, then make sure
that you are NOT using manually set entries except for USB, video, keyboard,
printer, or other necessary potentials in the BIOS/CMOS. Turn OFF Trend
anti-virus in the BIOS, Start and install the motherboard drivers. Either
use the VIA 4in1 OR the supplied QDI.

RESTART in Normal Mode. Carefully review the system without add-in cards for
any conflicts, prior to the suggested single card at a time installation and
check. CHOOSE which BUS mastering driver you wish to use [you can only use
one, either the VIA driver, or the offered QDI/third party]

Check the System and devices via Device Manager, if no errors, back up the
registry. Run Find New Hardware and let it review the devices/system. If any
found or otherwise, let them be changed. Restart [cold reboot]. Again run
Find New Hardware, let anything be changed, note whether it found anything.
Recheck the system via Device Manager. Save/backup the registry. Recheck
via Safe Mode for ghosted entries.

NOW add in the other cards, one at a time, but NOT the SoundBlaster AWE64.
After each installation, install any software required, restart if
necessary, and run through the Find New Hardware, using cold reboots after
each installation. If no conflicts, again save the registry.

Download the AWE64 driver from a legitimate site [reports of corrupted
manually modified drivers have been found]. Install that driver. There
should be no conflicts. If there are conflicts, post back and we can work
through the issues now knowing the system is properly configured.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fb4795ac-8c4d-405a-80bb-e3fc59144fae@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On 19 Apr, 16:15, "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:
> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
messagenews:939a36bf-d3bb-450c-9662-6a3ec8abf7a0@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com.
..
>
>
>
>
>
> > Are there are any noteworthy BIOS or Windows 98 settings I need to be
> > aware of to get Win98 successfully installed on a QDI Advance 9 or 10
> > mobo? (VIA chipset). The reason I ask is that I am having a problem
> > with Win98's ISA Plug and Play mechanism. Win98 is unable to detect
> > any PnP ISA cards. Please note this occurs with the CMOS settings
> > cleared and a clean Win98 install, plus I'm just using a basic VGA
> > graphics card only, or occasionally this graphics card with a
> > Soundblaster AWE64 (PnP ISA).
>
> > For either hardware configuration mentioned above, inside Device
> > Manager there appears to be some kind of resource problem with this
> > System resource:
>
> > "IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator"
>
> > Looking at the configuration details, there's a conflict with both the
> > Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo) and also with VIA Bus Master PCI
> > IDE Controller. I've tried changing the above-mentioned "ISA PnP
> > enumerator's" resources to fix the conflict, but my changes don't
> > appear to make an effect. Also, I don't seem to be able to adjust
> > either of the two conflicting Controller's IRQ values, although I'm
> > not too sure if that would help.
>
> > I went to the chipset maker (VIA) website and downloaded a "4-in-1"
> > chipset driver package and installed it, but unfortunately it didn't
> > fix the problem. The BIOS appears to be on its latest revision. I
> > also scoured the net's newsgroups and couldn't find any help that I
> > haven't already tried.
>
> > Thanks a lot if anyone can help, best regards, Robert.
>
> ISA cards typically have jumpers to set the IRQ's...
> and if so, the jumpers need to be set manually to avoid conflicts, which
> cannot be resolved
> from either a bios setting or from within the OS.
>
> My advice would be to remove all ISA cards but one...and once that is
> configured...
> add the second one...but be sure to manually configure it so as not to
> conflict
> with the one already setup.
>
> It will definitely take some patience and an amount of trial and error.
>
> Also note that at least *some* ISA cards have two distinct jumper
> configurations...
> that being manual or plug & play...so if you do have an ISA card with a
plug
> & play jumper setting...using that
> might assuage your conflict problems- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi. Actually this resource conflict issue occurs whether I either use
my PnP ISA card (a Soundblaster AWE64) or no ISA cards at all. (The
AWE64 card is ISA PnP - it appears not to have any configurable
jumpers.)

I am wondering if this problem can be solved by disabling both onboard
IDE ports in the BIOS, and then using a PCI IDE card for my HDD and
DVD drive. My theory is that this will dispense with the need to use
the onboard VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller and the Secondary IDE
Controller, because I think that this may be the source of the
resource conflict problem. However, I also wonder if the onboard PCI
to ISA bridge mechanism is not functioning as it should.

Any further thoughts gratefully received, thanks, regards, Robert.

MEB
Sat Apr 19 10:04:29 PDT 2008

Forgot to add:

If there are conflicts, please post the make and model of ALL card/devices
and the driver version used for that device.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

rpgs
Sat Apr 19 10:38:27 PDT 2008

On 19 Apr, 17:59, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.qdigrp.com/qdisite/eng/products/Advance9.htmhttp://www.motherbo=
ard.cz/mb/qdi/Advance%209.htm- BIOS/chipset - !
> scripting caution
>
> =A0Unless absolutely necessary, leave the VIA enabled. The conflict is lik=
ely
> not there.
>
> =A0Remove all add-in cards. Restart Normal and uninstall any related softw=
are.
> RESTART in Safe =A0Mode and check for any ghost entries. Remove any found =
or !
> devices. Make sure to check for the Blaster and remove everything related.=

> Shut down.
>
> RESTART. Make sure the BIOS/CMOS is set for PnP OS installed, then make su=
re
> that you are NOT using manually set entries except for USB, video, keyboar=
d,
> printer, or other necessary potentials in the BIOS/CMOS. Turn OFF Trend
> anti-virus in the BIOS, Start and install the motherboard drivers. Either
> use the VIA 4in1 OR the supplied QDI.
>
> RESTART in Normal Mode. Carefully review the system without add-in cards f=
or
> any conflicts, prior to the suggested single card at a time installation a=
nd
> check. CHOOSE which BUS mastering driver you wish to use [you can only use=

> one, either the VIA driver, or the offered QDI/third party]
>
> =A0Check the System and devices via Device Manager, if no errors, back up =
the
> registry. Run Find New Hardware and let it review the devices/system. If a=
ny
> found or otherwise, let them be changed. Restart [cold reboot]. Again run
> Find New Hardware, let anything be changed, note whether it found anything=
.
> =A0Recheck the system via Device Manager. Save/backup the registry. Rechec=
k
> via Safe Mode for ghosted entries.
>
> =A0NOW add in the other cards, one at a time, but NOT the SoundBlaster AWE=
64.
> After each installation, install any software required, restart if
> necessary, and run through the Find New Hardware, using cold reboots after=

> each installation. If no conflicts, again save the registry.
>
> =A0Download the AWE64 driver from a legitimate site [reports of corrupted
> manually modified drivers have been found]. Install that driver. There
> should be no conflicts. If there are conflicts, =A0post back and we can wo=
rk
> through the issues now knowing the system is properly configured.
>
> --
> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

Hi - thanks a lot for your reply. Before I read your reply, I re-
installed Win98 from scratch and I am at this stage:

Set BIOS OS PnP =3D No (Please note, reading your reply this may be
wrong - I really don't mind doing another fresh install as I have done
about 6 so far, and don't mind too much about this.)

I then clean installed Win98 with just 1 basic PCI graphics card,
nothing else. (Please note, the PnP mechanism worked fine for this
Matrox PCI graphics card.)

Then, I installed VIA 4-in-1 drivers from VIA's website.
(Unfortunately I do not have the QDI CD.)

Now, in safe mode, I examine Device Manager - I see no general errors,
no general conflicts, but I do see "IRQ Holder for PCI Steering"
listed 4 times inside System Devices. (At this moment in time, I have
not removed any of these duplicates, but I will do if you think this
will help.)

Now, I am about to change the BIOS OS PnP to =3D Yes, because I read
your reply and I want to try this. I will then check Device Manager
(in safe mode) for any problems. Then, I will insert the AWE64 card,
and see what happens.

Please note that at this moment in time, I would be very happy to get
my Win98 PC working with just a basic PCI graphics card and the AWE64
PnP ISA card. I can do as many clean Win98 installs as necessary to
achieve this. If you have any "start-from-scratch" plan of action,
then I'd be very happy to follow it.

Thanks very much, Best regards, Robert.

rpgs
Sat Apr 19 11:03:00 PDT 2008

On 19 Apr, 17:59, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.qdigrp.com/qdisite/eng/products/Advance9.htmhttp://www.motherbo=
ard.cz/mb/qdi/Advance%209.htm- BIOS/chipset - !
> scripting caution
>
> =A0Unless absolutely necessary, leave the VIA enabled. The conflict is lik=
ely
> not there.
>
> =A0Remove all add-in cards. Restart Normal and uninstall any related softw=
are.
> RESTART in Safe =A0Mode and check for any ghost entries. Remove any found =
or !
> devices. Make sure to check for the Blaster and remove everything related.=

> Shut down.
>
> RESTART. Make sure the BIOS/CMOS is set for PnP OS installed, then make su=
re
> that you are NOT using manually set entries except for USB, video, keyboar=
d,
> printer, or other necessary potentials in the BIOS/CMOS. Turn OFF Trend
> anti-virus in the BIOS, Start and install the motherboard drivers. Either
> use the VIA 4in1 OR the supplied QDI.
>
> RESTART in Normal Mode. Carefully review the system without add-in cards f=
or
> any conflicts, prior to the suggested single card at a time installation a=
nd
> check. CHOOSE which BUS mastering driver you wish to use [you can only use=

> one, either the VIA driver, or the offered QDI/third party]
>
> =A0Check the System and devices via Device Manager, if no errors, back up =
the
> registry. Run Find New Hardware and let it review the devices/system. If a=
ny
> found or otherwise, let them be changed. Restart [cold reboot]. Again run
> Find New Hardware, let anything be changed, note whether it found anything=
.
> =A0Recheck the system via Device Manager. Save/backup the registry. Rechec=
k
> via Safe Mode for ghosted entries.
>
> =A0NOW add in the other cards, one at a time, but NOT the SoundBlaster AWE=
64.
> After each installation, install any software required, restart if
> necessary, and run through the Find New Hardware, using cold reboots after=

> each installation. If no conflicts, again save the registry.
>
> =A0Download the AWE64 driver from a legitimate site [reports of corrupted
> manually modified drivers have been found]. Install that driver. There
> should be no conflicts. If there are conflicts, =A0post back and we can wo=
rk
> through the issues now knowing the system is properly configured.
>
> --
> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:fb4795a=
c-8c4d-405a-80bb-e3fc59144fae@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 19 Apr, 16:15, "philo" <ph...@privacy.net> wrote:> "rpgs rock dvds" <rp=
gsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
>
> messagenews:939a36bf-d3bb-450c-9662-6a3ec8abf7a0@8g2000hse.googlegroups.co=
m.
> ..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Are there are any noteworthy BIOS or Windows 98 settings I need to be
> > > aware of to get Win98 successfully installed on a QDI Advance 9 or 10
> > > mobo? (VIA chipset). The reason I ask is that I am having a problem
> > > with Win98's ISA Plug and Play mechanism. Win98 is unable to detect
> > > any PnP ISA cards. Please note this occurs with the CMOS settings
> > > cleared and a clean Win98 install, plus I'm just using a basic VGA
> > > graphics card only, or occasionally this graphics card with a
> > > Soundblaster AWE64 (PnP ISA).
>
> > > For either hardware configuration mentioned above, inside Device
> > > Manager there appears to be some kind of resource problem with this
> > > System resource:
>
> > > "IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator"
>
> > > Looking at the configuration details, there's a conflict with both the=

> > > Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo) and also with VIA Bus Master PCI
> > > IDE Controller. I've tried changing the above-mentioned "ISA PnP
> > > enumerator's" resources to fix the conflict, but my changes don't
> > > appear to make an effect. Also, I don't seem to be able to adjust
> > > either of the two conflicting Controller's IRQ values, although I'm
> > > not too sure if that would help.
>
> > > I went to the chipset maker (VIA) website and downloaded a "4-in-1"
> > > chipset driver package and installed it, but unfortunately it didn't
> > > fix the problem. The BIOS appears to be on its latest revision. I
> > > also scoured the net's newsgroups and couldn't find any help that I
> > > haven't already tried.
>
> > > Thanks a lot if anyone can help, best regards, Robert.
>
> > ISA cards typically have jumpers to set the IRQ's...
> > and if so, the jumpers need to be set manually to avoid conflicts, which=

> > cannot be resolved
> > from either a bios setting or from within the OS.
>
> > My advice would be to remove all ISA cards but one...and once that is
> > configured...
> > add the second one...but be sure to manually configure it so as not to
> > conflict
> > with the one already setup.
>
> > It will definitely take some patience and an amount of trial and error.
>
> > Also note that at least *some* ISA cards have two distinct jumper
> > configurations...
> > that being manual or plug & play...so if you do have an ISA card with a
> plug
> > & play jumper setting...using that
> > might assuage your conflict problems- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi. =A0Actually this resource conflict issue occurs whether I either use
> my PnP ISA card (a Soundblaster AWE64) or no ISA cards at all. =A0(The
> AWE64 card is ISA PnP - it appears not to have any configurable
> jumpers.)
>
> I am wondering if this problem can be solved by disabling both onboard
> IDE ports in the BIOS, and then using a PCI IDE card for my HDD and
> DVD drive. =A0My theory is that this will dispense with the need to use
> the onboard VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller and the Secondary IDE
> Controller, because I think that this may be the source of the
> resource conflict problem. =A0However, I also wonder if the onboard PCI
> to ISA bridge mechanism is not functioning as it should.
>
> Any further thoughts gratefully received, thanks, regards, Robert.- Hide q=
uoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have now completed doing the following -

Change the BIOS OS PnP to =3D Yes. Then, I inserted the AWE64 PnP ISA
card.

When Win98 booted up, it said it was installing "Motherboard
resources". Unfortunately it did not detect the AWE64 PnP ISA card.
Now, inside Device Manager, there are two "Motherboard resources"
entries inside the System Devices section.

I also tried to scan for new hardware, and it could neither find any
new PnP hardware, or any non-PnP hardware either.

Using safe mode, inside Device Manager, there appears to be no general
conflicts, errors or problems. However, as mentioned before, there
are 4 "IRQ Holder for PCI Steering" entries, and now 2 "motherboard
resources" entries.

I think at this stage, it may be worth setting the BIOS OS PnP =3D No,
and just see if Win98 is able to detect the AWE64 card. I'll try that
now...

Best regards, Robert.

rpgs
Sat Apr 19 11:16:38 PDT 2008

On 19 Apr, 17:59, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.qdigrp.com/qdisite/eng/products/Advance9.htmhttp://www.motherbo=
ard.cz/mb/qdi/Advance%209.htm- BIOS/chipset - !
> scripting caution
>
> =A0Unless absolutely necessary, leave the VIA enabled. The conflict is lik=
ely
> not there.
>
> =A0Remove all add-in cards. Restart Normal and uninstall any related softw=
are.
> RESTART in Safe =A0Mode and check for any ghost entries. Remove any found =
or !
> devices. Make sure to check for the Blaster and remove everything related.=

> Shut down.
>
> RESTART. Make sure the BIOS/CMOS is set for PnP OS installed, then make su=
re
> that you are NOT using manually set entries except for USB, video, keyboar=
d,
> printer, or other necessary potentials in the BIOS/CMOS. Turn OFF Trend
> anti-virus in the BIOS, Start and install the motherboard drivers. Either
> use the VIA 4in1 OR the supplied QDI.
>
> RESTART in Normal Mode. Carefully review the system without add-in cards f=
or
> any conflicts, prior to the suggested single card at a time installation a=
nd
> check. CHOOSE which BUS mastering driver you wish to use [you can only use=

> one, either the VIA driver, or the offered QDI/third party]
>
> =A0Check the System and devices via Device Manager, if no errors, back up =
the
> registry. Run Find New Hardware and let it review the devices/system. If a=
ny
> found or otherwise, let them be changed. Restart [cold reboot]. Again run
> Find New Hardware, let anything be changed, note whether it found anything=
.
> =A0Recheck the system via Device Manager. Save/backup the registry. Rechec=
k
> via Safe Mode for ghosted entries.
>
> =A0NOW add in the other cards, one at a time, but NOT the SoundBlaster AWE=
64.
> After each installation, install any software required, restart if
> necessary, and run through the Find New Hardware, using cold reboots after=

> each installation. If no conflicts, again save the registry.
>
> =A0Download the AWE64 driver from a legitimate site [reports of corrupted
> manually modified drivers have been found]. Install that driver. There
> should be no conflicts. If there are conflicts, =A0post back and we can wo=
rk
> through the issues now knowing the system is properly configured.
>
> --
> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

Sorry for the multiple replies. I have now completed the following -

Changed the BIOS OS PnP =3D No.

On boot-up, Windows 98 could not detect the AWE64 PnP ISA card.
However, running the "detect new hardware" wizard, it was able to find
"Gameport Joystick" and "Soundblaster 16 or AWE-32 or compatible"
which unfortunately is incorrect. I believe it is incorrect because
those 2 entries are non-PnP elements of the AWE64 card. So what
Windows 98 has found is not the PnP AWE64 card itself, but rather the
two non-PnP components of the AWE64 card. This means that
"soundblaster 16 type" sound effects will work, but AWE effects and
MIDI will not work.

I think that this indicates that Windows 98's ISA PnP mechanism is not
working as it should do. I think that this is because of a resource
problem with -

"IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator"

The resource conflict appears to be with both the Secondary IDE
Controller (dual fifo) and also with VIA Bus Master PCI IDE
Controller.

Please note, I have now changed the BIOS OS PnP =3D Yes.

Any further ideas or suggestions would be very gratefully received.
Thank you. Best regards from Robert.

rpgs
Sat Apr 19 11:46:30 PDT 2008

On 19 Apr, 18:04, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> =A0Forgot to add:
>
> =A0If there are conflicts, please post the make and model of ALL card/devi=
ces
> and the driver version used for that device.
>
> --
> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________

I think it would be helpful if I explained exactly what I see inside
Device Manager for the "IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play
enumerator" system device.

Inside Device Manager, I click on this "PnP enumerator" system entry
to view its properties. It then tells me that "This device is working
properly". I then click on the "Resources" tab. It tells me -

"The resources this device is using do not match any of its known
configurations. To assign resources manually for this device, click
Set Configuration Manually."

I then click on the Set Configuration Manually button, and it is then
that I see the conflict. There are 4 resource type entries - the
second entry has a conflict. The conflicting device list tells me
that Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) and also VIA Bus Master PCI
IDE Controller are the conflicting devices for the Input/Output Range
of 0374-0377.

Please note that I have tried to do various actions here. I have
tried using Basic Configuration setting 0001. I have also tried to
change the conflicting 0374-0377 resource setting entry to a different
value entry so that there is no conflict - for example change to
03FC-03FF. Both of these actions do not appear to remedy the conflict
because if I do either of these changes, and then reboot, the resource
conflict problem simply reappears. In other words, my changes do not
appear to be "saved".

Best regards, Robert.

MEB
Sat Apr 19 12:04:29 PDT 2008

Oh boy...

Okay,
1. PlugnPlay OS should be enabled. Make sure to reset the ESDI after/during
saving the BIOS/CMOS.
2. The AWE is NOT installed until you install the *driver* for it. Remove it
again after cleaning up the failed installation(s).
3. The PCI and steering entries are normal.
4. The PnP Blaster and joystick [though not actually there until you install
the driver] being found indicate the card is communicating with the OS.
5. 98 [and particularly SE] has default PnP drivers for the VIA chipset,
uninstall the entire hard drive adapter entries and system entries *OR* use
the default VIA drivers that the 98SE installation used [98 plain version
NEEDS the VIA update].
*IF* installing the VIA 4in1, uninstall the System and hard drive entries in
Device Manager, do not shut down, install the VIA 4in1 drivers. Let it fully
install, shutdown, restart in Safe Mode. Shutdown. Restart in DOS Mode,
Delete c:\{your windows folder}\win386.swp. Restart in Normal Mode.let it
finish installing the VIA 4in1 [make absolutely sure you are using the
correct version for your motherboard.]. *OR* use the default VIA drivers
that the 98SE installation used/will reinstall after you remove those
entries.

CHECK the OS again, as previously posted, AND SAVE THE REGISTRY. Post if
errors. DO NOT INSTALL THE AWE until you post back with results from the
cleanup and re-installation of the other devices.

NOTE: MAKE SURE you update your Win98x OS with its updates BEFORE you
install the AWE driver [they will error out with 98x base installation
files]..The AWE generally works in 98SE but MAY take considerable
modification to work in 98FE/GOLD/plain [check on Google].
Post back after you install the updates and have checked the system for
errors, and BEFORE you install the AWE.

IF you can't wait, search on Microsoft and Google for errors associated
with the AWE64 card and work-arounds BEFORE you install the AWE. Work
through those correction techniques and/or post back with questions.

IF posting back - Post the exact errors or other.


--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4bfddbaf-61fa-45cf-96b4-7b9af2c6d710@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On 19 Apr, 17:59, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
http://www.qdigrp.com/qdisite/eng/products/Advance9.htmhttp://www.motherboard.cz/mb/qdi/Advance%209.htm-
BIOS/chipset - !
> scripting caution
>
> Unless absolutely necessary, leave the VIA enabled. The conflict is likely
> not there.
>
> Remove all add-in cards. Restart Normal and uninstall any related
software.
> RESTART in Safe Mode and check for any ghost entries. Remove any found or
!
> devices. Make sure to check for the Blaster and remove everything related.
> Shut down.
>
> RESTART. Make sure the BIOS/CMOS is set for PnP OS installed, then make
sure
> that you are NOT using manually set entries except for USB, video,
keyboard,
> printer, or other necessary potentials in the BIOS/CMOS. Turn OFF Trend
> anti-virus in the BIOS, Start and install the motherboard drivers. Either
> use the VIA 4in1 OR the supplied QDI.
>
> RESTART in Normal Mode. Carefully review the system without add-in cards
for
> any conflicts, prior to the suggested single card at a time installation
and
> check. CHOOSE which BUS mastering driver you wish to use [you can only use
> one, either the VIA driver, or the offered QDI/third party]
>
> Check the System and devices via Device Manager, if no errors, back up the
> registry. Run Find New Hardware and let it review the devices/system. If
any
> found or otherwise, let them be changed. Restart [cold reboot]. Again run
> Find New Hardware, let anything be changed, note whether it found
anything.
> Recheck the system via Device Manager. Save/backup the registry. Recheck
> via Safe Mode for ghosted entries.
>
> NOW add in the other cards, one at a time, but NOT the SoundBlaster AWE64.
> After each installation, install any software required, restart if
> necessary, and run through the Find New Hardware, using cold reboots after
> each installation. If no conflicts, again save the registry.
>
> Download the AWE64 driver from a legitimate site [reports of corrupted
> manually modified drivers have been found]. Install that driver. There
> should be no conflicts. If there are conflicts, post back and we can work
> through the issues now knowing the system is properly configured.
>
> --
> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

Sorry for the multiple replies. I have now completed the following -

Changed the BIOS OS PnP = No.

On boot-up, Windows 98 could not detect the AWE64 PnP ISA card.
However, running the "detect new hardware" wizard, it was able to find
"Gameport Joystick" and "Soundblaster 16 or AWE-32 or compatible"
which unfortunately is incorrect. I believe it is incorrect because
those 2 entries are non-PnP elements of the AWE64 card. So what
Windows 98 has found is not the PnP AWE64 card itself, but rather the
two non-PnP components of the AWE64 card. This means that
"soundblaster 16 type" sound effects will work, but AWE effects and
MIDI will not work.

I think that this indicates that Windows 98's ISA PnP mechanism is not
working as it should do. I think that this is because of a resource
problem with -

"IO read data port for ISA Plug and Play enumerator"

The resource conflict appears to be with both the Secondary IDE
Controller (dual fifo) and also with VIA Bus Master PCI IDE
Controller.

Please note, I have now changed the BIOS OS PnP = Yes.

Any further ideas or suggestions would be very gratefully received.
Thank you. Best regards from Robert.

rpgs
Sat Apr 19 13:13:08 PDT 2008

On 19 Apr, 20:04, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Oh boy...
>
> =A0Okay,
> 1. PlugnPlay OS should be enabled. Make sure to reset the ESDI after/durin=
g
> saving the BIOS/CMOS.
> 2. The AWE is NOT installed until you install the *driver* for it. Remove =
it
> again after cleaning up the failed installation(s).
> 3. The PCI and steering entries are normal.
> 4. The PnP Blaster and joystick [though not actually there until you insta=
ll
> the driver] being found indicate the card is communicating with the OS.
> 5. 98 [and particularly SE] has default PnP drivers for the VIA chipset,
> uninstall the entire hard drive adapter entries and system entries *OR* us=
e
> the default VIA drivers that the 98SE installation used [98 plain version
> NEEDS the VIA update].
> *IF* installing the VIA 4in1, uninstall the System and hard drive entries =
in
> Device Manager, do not shut down, install the VIA 4in1 drivers. Let it ful=
ly
> install, shutdown, restart in Safe Mode. Shutdown. Restart in DOS Mode,
> Delete c:\{your windows folder}\win386.swp. Restart in Normal Mode.let it
> finish installing the VIA 4in1 [make absolutely sure you are using the
> correct version for your motherboard.]. *OR* use the default VIA drivers
> that the 98SE installation used/will reinstall after you remove those
> entries.
>
> =A0CHECK the OS again, as previously posted, AND SAVE THE REGISTRY. Post i=
f
> errors. DO NOT INSTALL THE AWE until you post back with results from the
> cleanup and re-installation of the other devices.
>
> NOTE: MAKE SURE you update your Win98x OS with its updates BEFORE you
> install the AWE driver [they will error out with 98x base installation
> files]..The AWE generally works in 98SE but MAY take considerable
> modification to work in 98FE/GOLD/plain [check on Google].
> =A0Post back after you install the updates and have checked the system for=

> errors, and BEFORE you install the AWE.
>
> =A0IF you can't wait, search on Microsoft and Google for errors associated=

> with the AWE64 card and work-arounds BEFORE you install the AWE. Work
> through those correction techniques and/or post back with questions.
>
> IF posting back - =A0Post the exact errors or other.
>
> --
> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

Thanks very much for your additional instructions.

Before proceeding, I really must double-check that I am about to do
the correct actions. I will do all of the 9 actions listed below
tomorrow morning in about 12 hours time; I can't today because I am so
tired as I have been on the PC for 15 hours trying to fix this
problem.

1. Remove AWE64 card, leaving just 1 basic card inside PC =3D Matrox
graphics card.

2. Set BIOS OS PnP =3D Yes

3. Reset the ESDI =3D Enabled. Also disable BIOS anti-virus.

4. Reformat HDD (I don't mind doing this)

5. Reinstall Win 98SE (I don't mind doing this)

6. Run setup.exe from AWE64 CD, then shutdown PC.

7. Insert AWE64 PnP ISA card inside PC, then turn on PC.

8. At this stage, I believe that Windows 98SE will either not detect
the AWE64 ISA PnP card, or just install a "Motherboard Resources"
system device. If I then run the hardware detection wizard, I believe
that Windows 98SE will either not detect the AWE card, or incorrectly
detect Joystick & Soundblaster 16/AWE32/Compatible.

9. If action number 8 above results in no successful AWE64 detection/
installation, should I then go ahead and try to manually install the
AWE driver using the "Add new hardware" wizard?

Please note - I am not sure if actions numbered 6 and 7 are the
correct actions to do. Action 8 is not really an action, but what I
think might happen - and I could be wrong of course!

I am also unsure about two other actions -

Firstly, I do not know whether I need to connect to the internet to
update Windows 98SE. (If this is required, I will need to install a
PCI-based Ethernet card. I bought one recently, so this is OK, but I
would rather not do this now if it is not required.)

Secondly, I do not know whether I need to install the VIA 4-in-1
package. If it is not required, then I would rather not install it
now.

Thanks a lot, all the best, Robert.

MEB
Sat Apr 19 15:34:14 PDT 2008



"rpgs rock dvds" <rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:6f14c119-c303-4968-9f70-39dd9b3b2a1d@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On 19 Apr, 20:04, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Oh boy...
>
> Okay,
> 1. PlugnPlay OS should be enabled. Make sure to reset the ESDI
after/during
> saving the BIOS/CMOS.
> 2. The AWE is NOT installed until you install the *driver* for it. Remove
it
> again after cleaning up the failed installation(s).
> 3. The PCI and steering entries are normal.
> 4. The PnP Blaster and joystick [though not actually there until you
install
> the driver] being found indicate the card is communicating with the OS.
> 5. 98 [and particularly SE] has default PnP drivers for the VIA chipset,
> uninstall the entire hard drive adapter entries and system entries *OR*
use
> the default VIA drivers that the 98SE installation used [98 plain version
> NEEDS the VIA update].
> *IF* installing the VIA 4in1, uninstall the System and hard drive entries
in
> Device Manager, do not shut down, install the VIA 4in1 drivers. Let it
fully
> install, shutdown, restart in Safe Mode. Shutdown. Restart in DOS Mode,
> Delete c:\{your windows folder}\win386.swp. Restart in Normal Mode.let it
> finish installing the VIA 4in1 [make absolutely sure you are using the
> correct version for your motherboard.]. *OR* use the default VIA drivers
> that the 98SE installation used/will reinstall after you remove those
> entries.
>
> CHECK the OS again, as previously posted, AND SAVE THE REGISTRY. Post if
> errors. DO NOT INSTALL THE AWE until you post back with results from the
> cleanup and re-installation of the other devices.
>
> NOTE: MAKE SURE you update your Win98x OS with its updates BEFORE you
> install the AWE driver [they will error out with 98x base installation
> files]..The AWE generally works in 98SE but MAY take considerable
> modification to work in 98FE/GOLD/plain [check on Google].
> Post back after you install the updates and have checked the system for
> errors, and BEFORE you install the AWE.
>
> IF you can't wait, search on Microsoft and Google for errors associated
> with the AWE64 card and work-arounds BEFORE you install the AWE. Work
> through those correction techniques and/or post back with questions.
>
> IF posting back - Post the exact errors or other.
>
> --
> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

Thanks very much for your additional instructions.

Before proceeding, I really must double-check that I am about to do
the correct actions. I will do all of the 9 actions listed below
tomorrow morning in about 12 hours time; I can't today because I am so
tired as I have been on the PC for 15 hours trying to fix this
problem.

1. Remove AWE64 card, leaving just 1 basic card inside PC = Matrox
graphics card.

2. Set BIOS OS PnP = Yes

3. Reset the ESDI = Enabled. Also disable BIOS anti-virus.

4. Reformat HDD (I don't mind doing this)

5. Reinstall Win 98SE (I don't mind doing this)

5A. When installing, chose EITHER [only one method] the default VIA or
follow the routine to remove the default [as decscribe previously] and
install the 4in1 update, making sure its for the motherboard you intend to
use it on.

*5B. **Install all upgrades to your OS*** and other devices BEFORE
installing the AWE driver. Check the Device Manager for any issues. IF you
are suing any old programs you intend to use, it is generally best to
install and update those prior to the system updates.

*5C. MAKE SURE that the AWE driver you use is a good driver [there may be a
newer driver than the CD], look arouind the Internet FIRST and check file
sizes and dates on other potential downloads.

*5D. Unzip or otherwise open the AWE driver you intend to use, making sure
that if any folders are shown, that they are maintained when unzipped or
otherwise.

6. Run setup.exe from AWE64 CD, then shutdown PC.

*6A. Before running from the cdrom, copy the intended Win98 install
directory to the hard drive. Compare the CD drivers from any newer you may
have downloaded. If new hardware was found. direct to the hard drive's
folder where you copied the files or to the folder which contains the newer
driver.
* I find conflicting information on whether to install the card first or the
driver. Perhaps someone can confirm which works best. {The norm is to
install the card then the driver [network cards/devices are sometimes the
opposite.] The only AWE64 that I installed were, IIRC, card first then
driver.}

7. Insert AWE64 PnP ISA card inside PC, then turn on PC.

8. At this stage, I believe that Windows 98SE will either not detect
the AWE64 ISA PnP card, or just install a "Motherboard Resources"
system device. If I then run the hardware detection wizard, I believe
that Windows 98SE will either not detect the AWE card, or incorrectly
detect Joystick & Soundblaster 16/AWE32/Compatible.

9. If action number 8 above results in no successful AWE64 detection/
installation, should I then go ahead and try to manually install the
AWE driver using the "Add new hardware" wizard?

Please note - I am not sure if actions numbered 6 and 7 are the
correct actions to do. Action 8 is not really an action, but what I
think might happen - and I could be wrong of course!

I am also unsure about two other actions -

Firstly, I do not know whether I need to connect to the internet to
update Windows 98SE. (If this is required, I will need to install a
PCI-based Ethernet card. I bought one recently, so this is OK, but I
would rather not do this now if it is not required.)

** Gary Terhune [http://www.grystmill.com/] has two update CDs available.
One is the MS Security Updates circa 2004, and the second contains the
subsequent updates. Gary apparently includes some form of installation
routine to ensure they are installed in the proper order.
**OR download the updates from the catalog from the updates site and burn
them to CDROM [using the machine you are apparently using now] and install
them PRIOR to attempting the AWE install.
**The system should be updated prior to the AWE install, so if necessary
[check the installer date, it is likely well beyond SE RTM date] install
that netcard and update that way.

Secondly, I do not know whether I need to install the VIA 4-in-1
package. If it is not required, then I would rather not install it
now.

*Install that ONLY if you find it necessary [you have SE], IF there are
issues, you MUST follow the previously posted routine to ensure it is
properly installed if you go that route.

Thanks a lot, all the best, Robert.

*Keep us informed....

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--
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MEB
Sat Apr 19 16:56:13 PDT 2008

Okay, found the old driver locally [checked on Creative support to see if
there were others/newer], sbw9xup.exe, from the readme.txt:

UPDATING SOUND BLASTER 16/32/AWE DRIVERS FOR WINDOWS 95/98
==========================================================

This package supports Sound Blaster 16, Sound Blaster 32 and Sound
Blaster AWE from Creative Technology Ltd.

To update the drivers for Microsoft Windows 95/98:

1. Put the whole sets of this package in a sub directory (or diskette)
(eg C:\UPDDRV).

2. In Windows 95/98, Click the Start menu, and select Run.

3. Type in C:\UPDDRV\UPDDRV95.EXE where C:\UPDDRV is the directory
where the file is located, and press the Enter key.

4. Drivers will be updated automatically, you need to restart your
computer for the changes to take effect.

Driver dates from 6-98 so contrary to my prior presentation, there should be
no issue concerning when this driver is installed or whether the system was
updated.. Sorry about that, must have been thinking about the 128 or
something...

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

Franc
Sat Apr 19 17:04:58 PDT 2008

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:13:08 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
<rpgsrockdvds@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>8. At this stage, I believe that Windows 98SE will either not detect
>the AWE64 ISA PnP card, or just install a "Motherboard Resources"
>system device. If I then run the hardware detection wizard, I believe
>that Windows 98SE will either not detect the AWE card, or incorrectly
>detect Joystick & Soundblaster 16/AWE32/Compatible.

I don't know if it will help, but you could set "PnP Aware OS" equal
to "No" and allow BIOS to find your ISA devices. Then you can use this
old Phoenix utility to see what BIOS found:

http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/BIOSutil/Phoenix/pnpbtst7.exe

You can run it in real DOS mode (better) or from within a Windows DOS
box.

Below is what I see in my old socket 7 system (AMI BIOS). It seems to
match the list of devices under the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\BIOS key
in my registry. OTOH my CMedia onboard sound chip shows up under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\ISAPNP.

=====================================================================
C:\utils\BIOS\BIOSutil\Phoenix>pnpbtst7
Phoenix Plug and Play BIOS Test Utility, Ver 1.07.
(C) Phoenix Technologies, Ltd., 1994-99
All rights reserved.

**********************************************************************
* YOU MUST START IN REAL MODE ONLY!. *
* (Without EMM386 Loaded.) *
**********************************************************************

-- PnPBTst : Version 1.07b ------- Executing in: REAL MODE
--------------
0) Get # DNs 5) Get DockSta Info C) Get ISA Cfg (40h) L) Node
List
1) Get DevNode 9) Set Static Res D) Get Escd Inf (41h) S) Node
Summary
2) Set DevNode A) Get Static Res E) Read Escd (42h) R) Real
Mode
3) Get Event B) Get APM ID Table F) Write Escd (43h) P) Prot
Mode
4) Send Message I) ISA PnP Z)
Header
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Enter a function code (<Esc> to Exit Program): S
Enter a Control Code (1=Current, 2=Next Boot): 1

Num Id Resources
------------------------------------------------------------
0 PNP0C01 Mem32F 0x00000000#640KB, Mem32F 0x000E0000#128KB,
1 PNP0000 20h-21h, A0h-A1h, Irq2,
2 PNP0200 Dma4, 0h-Fh, 80h-90h, 94h-9Fh, C0h-DEh,
3 PNP0100 Irq0, 40h-43h,
4 PNP0B00 Irq8, 70h-71h,
5 PNP0303 Irq1, 60h, 64h,
6 PNP0800 61h,
7 PNP0C04 Irq13, F0h-FFh,
8 PNP0A03
9 PNP0501 (3F8h-3F8h)#8, Irq4,
10 PNP0501 (2E8h-2E8h)#8, Irq3,
11 PNP0400 (378h-378h)#8, Irq7,
12 PNP0700 (3F0h-3F0h)#6, Irq6, Dma2,
13 PNP0C02 (4D0h-4D0h)#2, (CF8h-CF8h)#8, (3F7h-3F7h)#1, Mem32F
0x00100000#130048KB, (6100h-6100h)#64,
=====================================================================

You could use the following utility to detect the devices (including
PCI) in your BIOS ESCD table:

http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/BIOSutil/Phoenix/nvram120.exe

Here is my sample output:

http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/BIOSutil/Phoenix/M571ESCD.TXT
http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/BIOSutil/Phoenix/M571ESCD.SUM

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

rpgs
Sun Apr 20 03:47:32 PDT 2008

On 20 Apr, 01:04, Franc Zabkar <fzab...@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:13:08 -0700 (PDT), rpgs rock dvds
> <rpgsrockd...@hotmail.co.uk> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >8. =A0At this stage, I believe that Windows 98SE will either not detect
> >the AWE64 ISA PnP card, or just install a "Motherboard Resources"
> >system device. =A0If I then run the hardware detection wizard, I believe
> >that Windows 98SE will either not detect the AWE card, or incorrectly
> >detect Joystick & Soundblaster 16/AWE32/Compatible.
>
> I don't know if it will help, but you could set "PnP Aware OS" equal
> to "No" and allow BIOS to find your ISA devices. Then you can use this
> old Phoenix utility to see what BIOS found:
>
> http://www.users.on.net/~fzabkar/BIOSutil/Phoenix/pnpbtst7.exe
>
> You can run it in real DOS mode (better) or from within a Windows DOS
> box.
>
> Below is what I see in my old socket 7 system (AMI BIOS). It seems to
> match the list of devices under the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\BIOS key
> in my regist