MEB
Thu Feb 28 19:46:23 PST 2008
"Unknown" <dwilkins@unitelc.com> wrote in message
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| On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:09:32 -0800, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net>
| wrote:
|
| >,;
| >,;Right on, Richard. Couldn't agree more. The ABM (anything but MS)
crowd is
| >,;VERY small, but very vocal. Thank goodness that Larry Ellison or
Scott
| >,;McNealy aren't running Microsoft!!!
|
| If I were running Microsoft (unfortunately I'm not doing that) I would
| tell the EU to start buying Apples because I wouldn't sell any MS
| products in the EU until they pulled the plug on these fines. It is my
| software and I will sell it where I please and if they don't like the
| way it is sold get something else.
|
| I think MS would have the winning hand.
|
No, not a smart idea, the world market is moving towards the cheap laptop
PC, perhaps you may have noticed them metioned on the news.. these couple
hundred dollar computers being mass produced for the *poorer* nations ...
with buiilt-in wireless, battery/electric/wind-up generator, shock
protection, and other nifty stuff ...
Those are generally loaded with a Linux variant, or one can use a cut down
Microsoft OS [a battle is being waged for what OS is used]... The *full
blown computer* market is small beans now days with cell phones and other
devices INCLUDING gaming systems [and cars] where growth is occurring
[referring more to the US and european market, other former third world
nations are still expanding computer usage as they become more wealthy and
connect to the Internet]..
Regardless of this ONE ruling, Microsoft has won dozens of others across
the world recently.... and has garnered some significant Patents AND has won
cases allowing it to violate other's US Patents overseas...... this IS, FYI,
what is being referred to and expanded worldwide as *the rule of law* and
corporatism.
A couple billion dollars is a drop in the bucket... after several more
years of Appeals it won't even be remembered [nor likely paid at that
amount]..
Strikingly, Microsoft is suggesting support for open source for its Server
2008...
MEANWHILE, the state [US] and other nation's prosecutors have been
diligently *borrowing* the hundreds of billions worth of anti-terrorist
software and hardware to track illegal use and piracy [with mainly out of
court settlements or plea agreements] {and part of WHY there is a push for
immunity for the Phone companies and ISPs, it isn't {just} for terrorism
[think DRM]}... best keep up with the world's news...
As for the IBM statement: forget about OS2, Solaris, BeOS, and a couple
others, or was that before your time?
Sources: check the news services and wires..
BTW: if you're using VMware take note that new venerabilities have been
found and are being used.... AND there is a new cell hack which is
apparently difficult or impossible to remove.
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
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| >,;====================================================
| >,;"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| >,;news:%23rj4eUjeIHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| >,;IDIOTS !
| >,;
| >,;Ever stop to think what crap GUI's, if any, for IBM PC compatibles
would be
| >,;available, were it not for MS backing up their GUI | OS's with the
benefit
| >,;and power of Microsoft being a multi-billion / global company ?
| >,;
| >,;...oh, ...did I hear someone say "Linux" ....<ROFL>
| >,;..."MAC" ...very few home users can afford, the ludicrous prices for
| >,;Apple/Mac hardware and software !
| >,;
| >,;Of course, it would be nice for MS platforms to be free but, I don't
think
| >,;that's going to happen very soon !
| >,;
| >,;All of those, sat there at home, using system boxes built from the
| >,;wonderfully vast range of IBM PC compatible components, that mostly
work
| >,;wonderfully well with MS Windows platforms in them, and those who shout
the
| >,;loudest in condemnation of Microsoft whilst applauding court actions
against
| >,;them, are simply HYPOCRITS !!!
| >,;
| >,;There's always a few that through inexperience, or incompetence,
achieve a
| >,;problematic Windows installation.
| >,;I suspect that for every single loud mouth shouting abuse at MS and
| >,;applauding recent court action successes against MS, there are a
million
| >,;unheard people, that quite like MS Windows, and get along just fine
with it
| >,;!
| >,;
| >,;regards, Richard
| >,;
| >,;
| >,;"none" <nospam@bogusaddress.com> wrote in message
| >,;news:OQ8wWGgeIHA.4056@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >,;>> Their best years are clearly behind them.
| >,;>
| >,;> AGREED! And whenever I think of Micro$oft now I pinch my nose.
| >,;> Of course the sharp minded individual will know GREED is the evil
which
| >,;> drives MS management and their underhanded schemes!
| >,;>
| >,;> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
news:47C612FA.50BDD944@Guy.com...
| >,;>> Here is what Micro$oft has been up to lately regarding their desire
to
| >,;>> abide by the rule of law and the respect of the courts.
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Now explain to me again why we should abide by Macroshaft's EULA's.
| >,;>>
| >,;>> What a joke - no, what a fraud of a company.
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Their best years are clearly behind them.
| >,;>>
| >,;>> --------------------------------------
| >,;>>
| >,;>>
http://blog.wired.com/business/2008/02/microsoft-slapp.html
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Microsoft Slapped by EU With $1.35B Fine
| >,;>>
| >,;>> By Betsy Schiffman February 27, 2008
| >,;>>
| >,;>> The European Commission stands to make a tidy profit off Microsoft's
| >,;>> objectionable business practices. The commission fined Microsoft a
| >,;>> record ?899 million, or $1.35 billion, for failing to comply with
its
| >,;>> previous 2004 antitrust ruling (in which the company was fined the
| >,;>> equivalent of $613 million).
| >,;>>
| >,;>> The commission found that Microsoft unreasonably charged
third-parties
| >,;>> for access to documentation that would allow them to develop
| >,;>> compatible software for Windows-based computers.
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Essentially, Microsoft now has to pay more than double what it would
| >,;>> have four years ago for its unwillingness to comply with the
| >,;>> commission's previous order. Still, for Microsoft it's just the
cost
| >,;>> of doing business.
| >,;>>
| >,;>> "The company previously said [the fine] could be as high as $1.5
| >,;>> billion, so from that standpoint, it's better than what it could
have
| >,;>> been," says Sid Parakh, an analyst with McAdams Wright Ragen. "The
| >,;>> more important thing going forward are the two remaining cases."
| >,;>>
| >,;>> An equally important question is how this ruling bodes for the
| >,;>> Microsoft-Yahoo deal. If it's taken Google nearly a year to clear
its
| >,;>> acquisition of DoubleClick with European regulators -- and it hasn't
| >,;>> closed yet -- will Microsoft have better luck clearing the Yahoo
deal?
| >,;>>
| >,;>> "The acquisition of Yahoo would certainly be closely looked at --
| >,;>> especially at how it will affect the consumer," Parakh says. "But
it's
| >,;>> hard to say how the commission will respond. At this point, it's
fair
| >,;>> to say that Google is the big market share leader in search. But you
| >,;>> never know what aspect of the deal will be scrutinized by the
| >,;>> commission."
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Other costs for behaving badly:
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Microsoft agrees to pay Sun Microsystems $700 million to settle an
| >,;>> antitrust case, and an additional $900 million to resolve patent
| >,;>> issues. (April 2004)
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Microsoft ordered to pay Eolas $521 million in a patent infringement
| >,;>> case related to Internet Explorer. (March 2005)
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Microsoft agrees to pay IBM $775 million to settle an antitrust
case.
| >,;>> (July 2005)
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Microsoft agrees to pay RealNetworks $761 million to settle an
| >,;>> antitrust case. (October 2005)
| >,;>>
| >,;>> Microsoft agrees to pay $179 million to Iowa consumers and
businesses
| >,;>> in a class-action antitrust case. (February 2007)
| >,;>
| >,;>
| >,;
|