This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before windows
starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10 seconds
delay in other computers.

Included for info:
autoexec.bat
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
Set tvdumpflags=8

config.sys
numlock = off

What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?

ms

Re: Long delay during POST by dadiOH

dadiOH
Mon Feb 18 09:42:52 PST 2008

ms wrote:
> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before
> windows starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less
> than 10 seconds delay in other computers.
>
> Included for info:
> autoexec.bat
> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
> Set tvdumpflags=8
>
> config.sys
> numlock = off

Unimportant, the computer is nowhere near there yet.

What might have helped is info about the computer itself.
___________

> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?

Quien sabe, I'm not a hardware type. However, since POST is an
acronym for power on self test, I'd guess it is having a problem
determining if hardware and/or RAM are functioning properly or even
detecting same.

Fix? Gotta determine the cause - as opposed to symptom - of the
problem first. IOW, take out all hardware possible - including extra
RAM sticks and drives, etc. - and see if it improves. That's what I'd
do at least, YMMV and probably does.


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Re: Long delay during POST by Gary

Gary
Mon Feb 18 09:51:20 PST 2008

Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does not make it
not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in another drive, install
Windows, test.

Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load things
up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using MSCONFIG. Any change?

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"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net...
> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before windows
> starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10 seconds
> delay in other computers.
>
> Included for info:
> autoexec.bat
> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
> Set tvdumpflags=8
>
> config.sys
> numlock = off
>
> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
>
> ms


Re: Long delay during POST by ms

ms
Mon Feb 18 12:04:18 PST 2008

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
news:#Yr5WblcIHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does not
> make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in another
> drive, install Windows, test.
>
> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using MSCONFIG.
> Any change?
>

Thanks, Gary.

As usual, you have the answer. That cut the delay back to 15 seconds,
fine with me.

I will enable config.sys again, as I need numlock = off.

Regarding autoexec.bat, I know W98SE does not need it, if I just put in a
empty autoexec.bat, the question:
I notice with it disabled, I still have the sound icon in the System
Tray, I still have everything normal in Multimedia in Control Panel.

What purpose is served when the sound drivers are loaded in autoexec.bat?

ms

Re: Long delay during POST by dadiOH

dadiOH
Mon Feb 18 12:25:26 PST 2008

"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net...
> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before
windows
> starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10
seconds
> delay in other computers.
>
> Included for info:
> autoexec.bat
> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
> Set tvdumpflags=8
>
> config.sys
> numlock = off
>
> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
__________________

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
> another drive, install Windows, test.
>
> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
> MSCONFIG. Any change?

I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows even
starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks config.sys
and executes autoexe.bat, no?


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Re: Long delay during POST by Lil'

Lil'
Mon Feb 18 16:10:18 PST 2008

"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:61u6m1F20qektU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
> news:#Yr5WblcIHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>
>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does not
>> make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in another
>> drive, install Windows, test.
>>
>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
>> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using MSCONFIG.
>> Any change?
>>
>
> Thanks, Gary.
>
> As usual, you have the answer. That cut the delay back to 15 seconds,
> fine with me.
>
> I will enable config.sys again, as I need numlock = off.
>
> Regarding autoexec.bat, I know W98SE does not need it, if I just put in a
> empty autoexec.bat, the question:
> I notice with it disabled, I still have the sound icon in the System
> Tray, I still have everything normal in Multimedia in Control Panel.
>
> What purpose is served when the sound drivers are loaded in autoexec.bat?
>
> ms

Odd (to me). Isn't numlock on or off a bios setting?
Dave



Re: Long delay during POST by ms

ms
Mon Feb 18 16:17:38 PST 2008

"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in
news:OqsnQvocIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:61u6m1F20qektU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
>> news:#Yr5WblcIHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does not
>>> make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in another
>>> drive, install Windows, test.
>>>
>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
>>> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using MSCONFIG.
>>> Any change?
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, Gary.
>>
>> As usual, you have the answer. That cut the delay back to 15 seconds,
>> fine with me.
>>
>> I will enable config.sys again, as I need numlock = off.
>>
>> Regarding autoexec.bat, I know W98SE does not need it, if I just put
>> in a empty autoexec.bat, the question:
>> I notice with it disabled, I still have the sound icon in the System
>> Tray, I still have everything normal in Multimedia in Control Panel.
>>
>> What purpose is served when the sound drivers are loaded in
>> autoexec.bat?
>>
>> ms
>
> Odd (to me). Isn't numlock on or off a bios setting?
> Dave
>
I didn't look for it in this BIOS, but the config fix is what I always
use. Is there a real use for NUM Lock these days?

ms

Re: Long delay during POST by PCR

PCR
Mon Feb 18 17:21:43 PST 2008

dadiOH wrote:
| "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
| news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net...
|> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before
|> windows starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less
|> than 10 seconds delay in other computers.
|>
|> Included for info:
|> autoexec.bat
|> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
|> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM

If you never boot to DOS to run a game that might want to use
AU30DOS.COM, put an "REM" in front of that line. It's highly doubtful
Windows would ever use it.

|> Set tvdumpflags=8
|>
|> config.sys
|> numlock = off
|>
|> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
|> __________________
|
| Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
|> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
|> another drive, install Windows, test.
|>
|> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
|> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
|> MSCONFIG. Any change?
|
| I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows even
| starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks config.sys
| and executes autoexe.bat, no?

IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys & Autoexec.bat
before it loads Windows...

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/startup.htm
The Startup Axis

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|
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Re: Long delay during POST by glee

glee
Mon Feb 18 19:17:30 PST 2008

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:upw5KwmcIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net...
>> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before
> windows
>> starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10
> seconds
>> delay in other computers.
>>
>> Included for info:
>> autoexec.bat
>> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
>> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
>> Set tvdumpflags=8
>>
>> config.sys
>> numlock = off
>>
>> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
> __________________
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
>> another drive, install Windows, test.
>>
>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
>> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
>
> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows even
> starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks config.sys
> and executes autoexe.bat, no?

My guess is that the delay is after POST, during startup of Windows, and that "ms"
mistakenly referred to the delay as being during POST.
--
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Re: Long delay during POST by glee

glee
Mon Feb 18 19:22:56 PST 2008

"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:61ulh1F20j10rU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in
> news:OqsnQvocIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>
>> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:61u6m1F20qektU1@mid.individual.net...
>> snip
>> Odd (to me). Isn't numlock on or off a bios setting?
>> Dave
>>
> I didn't look for it in this BIOS, but the config fix is what I always
> use. Is there a real use for NUM Lock these days?

I have always set NUMLOCK to ON in the BIOS setup, on desktop computers. If you
don't turn NUMLOCK on, how do you utilise your numeric keypad on the right side of
the keyboard?

On laptops, I leave it off unless I have a specific use for it during a session,
then I turn it on manually, for obvious reasons.
--
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http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


Re: Long delay during POST by glee

glee
Mon Feb 18 19:27:55 PST 2008

"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:61u6m1F20qektU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
> news:#Yr5WblcIHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>
>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does not
>> make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in another
>> drive, install Windows, test.
>>
>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
>> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using MSCONFIG.
>> Any change?
>>
>
> Thanks, Gary.
>
> As usual, you have the answer. That cut the delay back to 15 seconds,
> fine with me.
>
> I will enable config.sys again, as I need numlock = off.
>
> Regarding autoexec.bat, I know W98SE does not need it, if I just put in a
> empty autoexec.bat, the question:
> I notice with it disabled, I still have the sound icon in the System
> Tray, I still have everything normal in Multimedia in Control Panel.
>
> What purpose is served when the sound drivers are loaded in autoexec.bat?

As PCR mentioned, those audio entries in autoexec.bat are for sound in a DOS session
(not a DOS box in Windows) such as when playing a DOS game. They would be better
put into a dosstart.bat file if you really needed them for that.

The "Set tvdumpflags" entry is used by Zone Alarm....google tvdumpflags and then
decide if you want to re-enable that entry in autoexec.bat.
--
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http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


Re: Long delay during POST by Bill

Bill
Mon Feb 18 20:04:24 PST 2008

"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message news:61ulh1F20j10rU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in
> news:OqsnQvocIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>
>> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:61u6m1F20qektU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in
>>> news:#Yr5WblcIHA.3932@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does not
>>>> make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in another
>>>> drive, install Windows, test.
>>>>
>>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
>>>> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using MSCONFIG.
>>>> Any change?

>>> As usual, you have the answer. That cut the delay back to 15 seconds,
>>> fine with me.
>>>
>>> I will enable config.sys again, as I need numlock = off.
>>>
>>> Regarding autoexec.bat, I know W98SE does not need it, if I just put
>>> in a empty autoexec.bat, the question:
>>> I notice with it disabled, I still have the sound icon in the System
>>> Tray, I still have everything normal in Multimedia in Control Panel.
>>>
>>> What purpose is served when the sound drivers are loaded in
>>> autoexec.bat?


To allow "sound" when running "DOS programs".


As far as the lines;

SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
Set tvdumpflags=8

those may be used in Windows also. Either way there is no significant
time delay in those two SET commands.

I would do as PCR suggests and just disable the LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
command.


> I didn't look for it in this BIOS, but the config fix is what I always
> use.

Check it out. Most, if not all, BIOS from the last decade or so can control numlock.

> Is there a real use for NUM Lock these days?

Why do say that? I keep mine always on.





Re: Long delay during POST by Sunny

Sunny
Mon Feb 18 23:10:14 PST 2008


"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:eKWZ1aqcIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:61ulh1F20j10rU1@mid.individual.net...
| > "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in
| > news:OqsnQvocIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
| >
| >> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
| >> news:61u6m1F20qektU1@mid.individual.net...
| >> snip
| >> Odd (to me). Isn't numlock on or off a bios setting?
| >> Dave
| >>
| > I didn't look for it in this BIOS, but the config fix is what I always
| > use. Is there a real use for NUM Lock these days?
|
| I have always set NUMLOCK to ON in the BIOS setup, on desktop computers.
If you
| don't turn NUMLOCK on, how do you utilise your numeric keypad on the
right side of
| the keyboard?

Doesn't help with Flight Sims game key strokes :-)

| On laptops, I leave it off unless I have a specific use for it during a
session,
| then I turn it on manually, for obvious reasons.
| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
| http://dts-l.net/
| http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
|



Re: Long delay during POST by dadiOH

dadiOH
Tue Feb 19 02:27:28 PST 2008

PCR wrote:

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
>>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
>>> another drive, install Windows, test.
>>>
>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to
>>> load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
>>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
>>
>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows
>> even starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks
>> config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
>
> IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys &
> Autoexec.bat before it loads Windows...

Yeah, I mis-spoke saying "Windows", should have said "OS" or "system".
Thanks for the reply.

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Re: Long delay during POST by ms

ms
Tue Feb 19 06:52:20 PST 2008

ms <ms@invalid.com> wrote in news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net:

> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before
windows
> starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10
seconds
> delay in other computers.
>
> Included for info:
> autoexec.bat
> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
> Set tvdumpflags=8
>
> config.sys
> numlock = off
>
> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
>
> ms

Thanks to all, that cleared it up, will REM those lines.

I only use the right number key pad for HOME and Page UP/DOWN, find it is
much handier to have NUMLOCK off all the time. In that, everyone is
different.

ms

Re: Long delay during POST by Gary

Gary
Tue Feb 19 07:39:39 PST 2008

What Glee said.

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"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
news:upw5KwmcIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net...
>> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before
> windows
>> starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10
> seconds
>> delay in other computers.
>>
>> Included for info:
>> autoexec.bat
>> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
>> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
>> Set tvdumpflags=8
>>
>> config.sys
>> numlock = off
>>
>> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
> __________________
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
>> another drive, install Windows, test.
>>
>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to load
>> things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
>
> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows even
> starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks config.sys
> and executes autoexe.bat, no?
>
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
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> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
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>
>


Re: Long delay during POST by dadiOH

dadiOH
Tue Feb 19 08:44:42 PST 2008

glee wrote:
> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message
> news:upw5KwmcIHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> "ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before
>> windows
>>> starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10
>> seconds
>>> delay in other computers.
>>>
>>> Included for info:
>>> autoexec.bat
>>> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
>>> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
>>> Set tvdumpflags=8
>>>
>>> config.sys
>>> numlock = off
>>>
>>> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
>> __________________
>>
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
>>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
>>> another drive, install Windows, test.
>>>
>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to
>>> load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
>>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
>>
>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows
>> even starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks
>> config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
>
> My guess is that the delay is after POST, during startup of
> Windows, and that "ms" mistakenly referred to the delay as being
> during POST.

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Long delay during POST by PCR

PCR
Tue Feb 19 18:39:59 PST 2008

dadiOH wrote:
| PCR wrote:
|
|>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
|>>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
|>>> another drive, install Windows, test.
|>>>
|>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to
|>>> load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
|>>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
|>>
|>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows
|>> even starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks
|>> config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
|>
|> IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys &
|> Autoexec.bat before it loads Windows...
|
| Yeah, I mis-spoke saying "Windows", should have said "OS" or "system".
| Thanks for the reply.

You are welcome. That cquirke always was a knowledgeable one, as was
Terhune in this thread as usual. And it's good to see Blanton back!

| --
|
| dadiOH
| ____________________________
|
| dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
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Naturally, you will not sue,
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Re: Long delay during POST by Gary

Gary
Tue Feb 19 23:06:44 PST 2008

The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the technical
corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.

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"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:%23hU4hn2cIHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> dadiOH wrote:
> | PCR wrote:
> |
> |>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
> |>>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
> |>>> another drive, install Windows, test.
> |>>>
> |>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to
> |>>> load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
> |>>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
> |>>
> |>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows
> |>> even starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks
> |>> config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
> |>
> |> IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys &
> |> Autoexec.bat before it loads Windows...
> |
> | Yeah, I mis-spoke saying "Windows", should have said "OS" or "system".
> | Thanks for the reply.
>
> You are welcome. That cquirke always was a knowledgeable one, as was
> Terhune in this thread as usual. And it's good to see Blanton back!
>
> | --
> |
> | dadiOH
> | ____________________________
> |
> | dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> | ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> | LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> | Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>


Re: Long delay during POST by ms

ms
Wed Feb 20 07:11:21 PST 2008

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:u4nNd84cIHA.4696
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the technical
> corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.
>

Yes, my error. For clarification, if the first screen stays for a long
time, the correct statement is that POST did occur, is finished, and the
delay afterword is after POST?

ms

Re: Long delay during POST by Mart

Mart
Wed Feb 20 11:55:20 PST 2008

In which case try Boot Log Analyzer v1.23 (freeware) to determine the
bottleneck.
Still available at :-
http://www.woundedmoon.org/win32/bootloganalyzer123.html

Mart


"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:622u8oF220f4mU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:u4nNd84cIHA.4696
> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>
>> The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the technical
>> corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.
>>
>
> Yes, my error. For clarification, if the first screen stays for a long
> time, the correct statement is that POST did occur, is finished, and the
> delay afterword is after POST?
>
> ms



Re: Long delay during POST by Mike

Mike
Wed Feb 20 14:37:42 PST 2008

I've seen SCSI do that. If SCSI is detected, some SCSI BIOS's will
try to walk the entire SCSI bus to scan for devices, one at a time. That
means reset and timeout for each device in order.


"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:61tsmcF1vsepsU1@mid.individual.net...
> This machine has a consistent 40 second delay during POST before windows
> starts to load. This is not normal as I usually see less than 10 seconds
> delay in other computers.
>
> Included for info:
> autoexec.bat
> SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D3 T4
> LH C:\WINDOWS\AU30DOS.COM
> Set tvdumpflags=8
>
> config.sys
> numlock = off
>
> What are usual causes of a long delay here, and a fix?
>
> ms



Re: Long delay during POST by PCR

PCR
Wed Feb 20 19:47:45 PST 2008

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
| The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the technical
| corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.

That is true, as ms admits. I can't find who, but someone in here did
figure he overestimated the duration of post besides you. I can't blame
dadiOH for not figuring it too. Me 'n Blanton WOULD have-- but you beat
us to it!

| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:%23hU4hn2cIHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> dadiOH wrote:
|> | PCR wrote:
|> |
|> |>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
|> |>>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
|> |>>> another drive, install Windows, test.
|> |>>>
|> |>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to
|> |>>> load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
|> |>>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
|> |>>
|> |>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows
|> |>> even starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks
|> |>> config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
|> |>
|> |> IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys &
|> |> Autoexec.bat before it loads Windows...
|> |
|> | Yeah, I mis-spoke saying "Windows", should have said "OS" or
|> | "system". Thanks for the reply.
|>
|> You are welcome. That cquirke always was a knowledgeable one, as was
|> Terhune in this thread as usual. And it's good to see Blanton back!
|>
|> | --
|> |
|> | dadiOH
|> | ____________________________
|> |
|> | dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
|> | ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
|> | LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
|> | Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net



Re: Long delay during POST by glee

glee
Thu Feb 21 07:47:12 PST 2008

It was me:
"glee" wrote in message news:egPvzXqcIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

<quote>

My guess is that the delay is after POST, during startup of Windows, and that "ms"
mistakenly referred to the delay as being during POST.

</quote>
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
http://dts-l.net/
http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm


"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:ePB3DyDdIHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> | The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the technical
> | corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.
>
> That is true, as ms admits. I can't find who, but someone in here did
> figure he overestimated the duration of post besides you. I can't blame
> dadiOH for not figuring it too. Me 'n Blanton WOULD have-- but you beat
> us to it!
>
> | --
> | Gary S. Terhune
> | MS-MVP Shell/User
> | www.grystmill.com
> |
> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> | news:%23hU4hn2cIHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> |> dadiOH wrote:
> |> | PCR wrote:
> |> |
> |> |>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> |> |>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
> |> |>>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
> |> |>>> another drive, install Windows, test.
> |> |>>>
> |> |>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to
> |> |>>> load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
> |> |>>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
> |> |>>
> |> |>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows
> |> |>> even starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks
> |> |>> config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
> |> |>
> |> |> IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys &
> |> |> Autoexec.bat before it loads Windows...
> |> |
> |> | Yeah, I mis-spoke saying "Windows", should have said "OS" or
> |> | "system". Thanks for the reply.
> |>
> |> You are welcome. That cquirke always was a knowledgeable one, as was
> |> Terhune in this thread as usual. And it's good to see Blanton back!
> |>
> |> | --
> |> |
> |> | dadiOH
> |> | ____________________________
> |> |
> |> | dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
> |> | ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
> |> | LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
> |> | Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
> |>
> |> --
> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
> |> Should things get worse after this,
> |> PCR
> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> Should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>
>


Re: Long delay during POST by PCR

PCR
Thu Feb 21 16:46:18 PST 2008

glee wrote:
| It was me:

Yep, that was it. I clicked every post thrice but never saw it again!
But I might have guessed it was you. Very good, as usual. I'm busy in
Warren's thread & must go soon.

| "glee" wrote in message news:egPvzXqcIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|
| <quote>
|
| My guess is that the delay is after POST, during startup of Windows,
| and that "ms" mistakenly referred to the delay as being during POST.
|
| </quote>
| --
| Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
| http://dts-l.net/
| http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
|
|
| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:ePB3DyDdIHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> | The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the
|> | technical corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.
|>
|> That is true, as ms admits. I can't find who, but someone in here did
|> figure he overestimated the duration of post besides you. I can't
|> blame dadiOH for not figuring it too. Me 'n Blanton WOULD have-- but
|> you beat us to it!
|>
|> | --
|> | Gary S. Terhune
|> | MS-MVP Shell/User
|> | www.grystmill.com
|> |
|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
|> | news:%23hU4hn2cIHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
|> |> dadiOH wrote:
|> |> | PCR wrote:
|> |> |
|> |> |>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
|> |> |>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers"
|> |> |>>> does not make it not normal for the machine in front of you.
|> |> |>>> Put in another drive, install Windows, test.
|> |> |>>>
|> |> |>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds
|> |> |>>> to load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys
|> |> |>>> using MSCONFIG. Any change?
|> |> |>>
|> |> |>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before
|> |> |>> Windows even starts to load and it is Windows that loads
|> |> |>> drivers, checks config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
|> |> |>
|> |> |> IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys &
|> |> |> Autoexec.bat before it loads Windows...
|> |> |
|> |> | Yeah, I mis-spoke saying "Windows", should have said "OS" or
|> |> | "system". Thanks for the reply.
|> |>
|> |> You are welcome. That cquirke always was a knowledgeable one, as
|> |> was Terhune in this thread as usual. And it's good to see Blanton
|> |> back!
|> |>
|> |> | --
|> |> |
|> |> | dadiOH
|> |> | ____________________________
|> |> |
|> |> | dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
|> |> | ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
|> |> | LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
|> |> | Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
|> |>
|> |> --
|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> |> Should things get worse after this,
|> |> PCR
|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
|>
|> --
|> Thanks or Good Luck,
|> There may be humor in this post, and,
|> Naturally, you will not sue,
|> Should things get worse after this,
|> PCR
|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
Should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net



Re: Long delay during POST by Gary

Gary
Sat Feb 23 09:36:58 PST 2008

First screen, second screen... The terms are meaningless. POST can consist
of dozens of screens or only one. POST is what the computer does to check
things out before it starts looking for an operating system. On some
computers, one screen covers that all up, on my machine it goes through at
least eight screens (JMICRON & RAID controllers and other crap).

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"ms" <ms@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:622u8oF220f4mU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in news:u4nNd84cIHA.4696
> @TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
>
>> The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the technical
>> corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.
>>
>
> Yes, my error. For clarification, if the first screen stays for a long
> time, the correct statement is that POST did occur, is finished, and the
> delay afterword is after POST?
>
> ms


Re: Long delay during POST by Gary

Gary
Sat Feb 23 09:41:21 PST 2008

That you did. Got lost in the forest.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
news:uqJ9OEKdIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It was me:
> "glee" wrote in message news:egPvzXqcIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> <quote>
>
> My guess is that the delay is after POST, during startup of Windows, and
> that "ms"
> mistakenly referred to the delay as being during POST.
>
> </quote>
> --
> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Windows, A+
> http://dts-l.net/
> http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm
>
>
> "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
> news:ePB3DyDdIHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> | The OP misspoke. Nobody (including you) bothered to make the technical
>> | corrections decently. End of discussion, seems to me.
>>
>> That is true, as ms admits. I can't find who, but someone in here did
>> figure he overestimated the duration of post besides you. I can't blame
>> dadiOH for not figuring it too. Me 'n Blanton WOULD have-- but you beat
>> us to it!
>>
>> | --
>> | Gary S. Terhune
>> | MS-MVP Shell/User
>> | www.grystmill.com
>> |
>> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>> | news:%23hU4hn2cIHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> |> dadiOH wrote:
>> |> | PCR wrote:
>> |> |
>> |> |>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>> |> |>>> Just because 40 seconds is not normal for "other computers" does
>> |> |>>> not make it not normal for the machine in front of you. Put in
>> |> |>>> another drive, install Windows, test.
>> |> |>>>
>> |> |>>> Then again, those sound drivers may be taking a few seconds to
>> |> |>>> load things up. Try disabling Autoexec.bat and Config.sys using
>> |> |>>> MSCONFIG. Any change?
>> |> |>>
>> |> |>> I'm glad that fixed it for him but why?? POST is before Windows
>> |> |>> even starts to load and it is Windows that loads drivers, checks
>> |> |>> config.sys and executes autoexe.bat, no?
>> |> |>
>> |> |> IO.sys processes MSDOS.sys (or Winboot.ini), Config.sys &
>> |> |> Autoexec.bat before it loads Windows...
>> |> |
>> |> | Yeah, I mis-spoke saying "Windows", should have said "OS" or
>> |> | "system". Thanks for the reply.
>> |>
>> |> You are welcome. That cquirke always was a knowledgeable one, as was
>> |> Terhune in this thread as usual. And it's good to see Blanton back!
>> |>
>> |> | --
>> |> |
>> |> | dadiOH
>> |> | ____________________________
>> |> |
>> |> | dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
>> |> | ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
>> |> | LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
>> |> | Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
>> |>
>> |> --
>> |> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> |> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> |> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> |> Should things get worse after this,
>> |> PCR
>> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> Should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>
>>
>