Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
(I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
found it unwieldy in that it required their original
CD to do a Restore). Thank you.

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Gary

Gary
Fri May 23 13:41:42 PDT 2008

Try out the imaging software from www.terabyteunlimited.com

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
> (I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
> found it unwieldy in that it required their original
> CD to do a Restore). Thank you.


Re: Backup software--like GHOST by James

James
Fri May 23 14:24:38 PDT 2008

Casper 4.0 Highly Recommend!


"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
> (I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
> found it unwieldy in that it required their original
> CD to do a Restore). Thank you.


Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Brian

Brian
Fri May 23 14:59:10 PDT 2008

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
> (I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
> found it unwieldy in that it required their original
> CD to do a Restore). Thank you.

Ghost 2003 works well with 98, any NTFS system and over a network. An issue you
will run into is if you have any newer mobos, their newer network drivers will
not work wit Ghost 2003 unless you add them to the driver list.

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Don

Don
Fri May 23 14:57:11 PDT 2008

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?

These work well together:
XXCopy from www.xxcopy.com because of its scores
of /parameters, e.g. for total or incremental backup
PowerDesk (www.vcom.com) has extra functions lacking
in MS Explorer, e.g. allow you to overwrite system files
(so long as you know what you are doing.)

The two together allow you to copy c:/windows and to
restore it by brute force in case of need.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by William

William
Fri May 23 16:13:09 PDT 2008

Don Phillipson wrote:
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
>> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
>> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
>> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
>> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
>> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
>
> These work well together:
> XXCopy from www.xxcopy.com because of its scores
> of /parameters, e.g. for total or incremental backup
> PowerDesk (www.vcom.com) has extra functions lacking
> in MS Explorer, e.g. allow you to overwrite system files
> (so long as you know what you are doing.)
>
> The two together allow you to copy c:/windows and to
> restore it by brute force in case of need.
>
Thanks to all for the concise suggestions. I'll
pass them all along.

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Bill

Bill
Fri May 23 21:39:30 PDT 2008

Or an older copy of Acronis True Image (I'm not sure if the newer editions
still work for Win98SE).

James wrote:
> Casper 4.0 Highly Recommend!
>
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
>> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
>> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
>> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
>> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
>> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
>> (I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
>> found it unwieldy in that it required their original
>> CD to do a Restore). Thank you.



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Brian

Brian
Sat May 24 04:40:33 PDT 2008

<letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:63tf34lpef18uec3phedn3gu40evva9jg6@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:30:19 -0400, "William B. Lurie"
> <billurie@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
>>out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
>>with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
>>suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
>>packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
>>Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
>>(I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
>>found it unwieldy in that it required their original
>>CD to do a Restore). Thank you.
>
> Just curious why any software is needed to do a backup.

To create a simple backup, there isn't any need.

> I just copy the entire windows directory (and sub dirs) to another
> harddrive (a small one). The next time I backup, I copy it to yet
> another small harddrive. After that, I delete everything on the first
> backup and use that drive over again. It takes some cable swapping,
> but thats no biggie. I never put the cover on my computer anyhow.

And what happens when the MBR becomes corrupt or a sector or two or more get
toasted?

>
> A few weeks ago I had a major screwup in Windows. I plugged in the
> last backup harddrive, copied everything to c:\wind. Then I shut
> down, and from Dos, I renamed the windows dir to old_win, and wind to
> windows. When I rebooted I the copy was loading. Running that one, I
> was able to find the problem in the screwed up one, fixed it, and
> deleted the entire backup copy.

And what is the time it takes you to troubleshoot and fix the origination of
the problem which is the cause? The major backup/imaging applications will take
mere minutes to restore an OS and installed applications.

>
> I also copy program files, my email dir and a few other things when I
> backup.
>
> Note: When you backup windows, DO NOT copy the swap file, or your copy
> process will stop. Just SELECT ALL, then unselect the swap file. Then
> proceed to copy. There's a lot of software that people buy which is
> really not needed since it's built into windows already, and backup
> software is one of them.

Windows, all versions, do not have the capability of creating a sector x
sector copy, backup/imaging applications do.

>
> PS. to rename a dir from dos, I have an old dos utility called RENDIR.
> I have lots of the old dos utilities to do things that MS never put
> into dos.
>

Why? Using the command "ren" which is an MSDOS command works fine for
renaming a directory. What are these other "old dos utilities" you have that
MSDOS doesn't have?


--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sat May 24 08:00:03 PDT 2008



"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uc8wpgVvIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
> Or an older copy of Acronis True Image (I'm not sure if the newer
> editions still work for Win98SE).

v9 is the last W98SE supported version that you can install it to, however
of course using it via its boot disk, the newer versions (v10, v11) will
image/restore anything.

Rick





Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sat May 24 08:44:49 PDT 2008

Here's a real treat....

Free version of Acronis v8

http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe

Rick


(I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
registered user for all their versions anyway)



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by William

William
Sat May 24 08:12:31 PDT 2008

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> Here's a real treat....
>
> Free version of Acronis v8
>
> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>
> Rick
>
>
> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
> registered user for all their versions anyway)
>
>
Thank you, Rick, I'll pass it to my buddy........

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sat May 24 10:02:36 PDT 2008

Your welcome,

If anyone is interested to see back in 2004 all the Acronis webpages that
were showing online for v8 back then, like System Requirements, Feature
Details, etc, etc, ..all of these I had saved as mht offline webpages back
in 2004, and fyc I just uploaded if anyone wants to read them.
I imagine don't use v8 on Vista, or obviously since so many hardware
advancements were made since 2004 there may be some hardware situations
that this older v8 wont recognize or have drivers for, like some
specialized SATA RAID controller cards setups, etc; however it does
recognize SATA 1.5 Controllers with SATA 3.0 HD's just fine and I've used
it for those circumstances many times, all well as all matters of PATA.

Anyway, here's the link for the offline webpage mht's..
http://rdchauvin.com/AcronisTrueImageV8-OfflineWebpageMHT's-2004.zip

Rick


"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:O1aRUCbvIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
> Rick Chauvin wrote:
>> Here's a real treat....
>>
>> Free version of Acronis v8
>>
>> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
>> registered user for all their versions anyway)
>>
>>
> Thank you, Rick, I'll pass it to my buddy........








Re: Backup software--like GHOST by rebel

rebel
Sat May 24 09:26:00 PDT 2008

On Sat, 24 May 2008 10:44:49 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote:

>Here's a real treat....
>
>Free version of Acronis v8
>
>http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>
>Rick
>
>
>(I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
>registered user for all their versions anyway)

Completing that form merely gets you a reg code - you still need to locate the
software.

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sat May 24 10:37:01 PDT 2008



"rebel" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:5cgg34hld7mg76v3grl8479ljg8d14p3da@4ax.com

> Completing that form merely gets you a reg code - you still need to
> locate the software.

Actually if you now log onto your Acronis Account, you will see that
registration listed yes, As Well as a link to download the program update!
Well, that's how all my registered versions work anyway, and I'm sure for
yours too.

Rick




Re: Backup software--like GHOST by William

William
Sat May 24 09:38:02 PDT 2008

Thanks again, Rick. I followed the link, registered, got
a password and serial number e-mailed to me, and I went back
and downloaded it. I've passed all this back to my buddy,
who needs it for his WIN 98 OS.

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> Your welcome,
>
> If anyone is interested to see back in 2004 all the Acronis webpages that
> were showing online for v8 back then, like System Requirements, Feature
> Details, etc, etc, ..all of these I had saved as mht offline webpages back
> in 2004, and fyc I just uploaded if anyone wants to read them.
> I imagine don't use v8 on Vista, or obviously since so many hardware
> advancements were made since 2004 there may be some hardware situations
> that this older v8 wont recognize or have drivers for, like some
> specialized SATA RAID controller cards setups, etc; however it does
> recognize SATA 1.5 Controllers with SATA 3.0 HD's just fine and I've used
> it for those circumstances many times, all well as all matters of PATA.
>
> Anyway, here's the link for the offline webpage mht's..
> http://rdchauvin.com/AcronisTrueImageV8-OfflineWebpageMHT's-2004.zip
>
> Rick
>
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:O1aRUCbvIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
>> Rick Chauvin wrote:
>>> Here's a real treat....
>>>
>>> Free version of Acronis v8
>>>
>>> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
>>> registered user for all their versions anyway)
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you, Rick, I'll pass it to my buddy........
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by William

William
Sat May 24 09:41:03 PDT 2008

rebel wrote:
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 10:44:49 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a real treat....
>>
>> Free version of Acronis v8
>>
>> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
>> registered user for all their versions anyway)
>
> Completing that form merely gets you a reg code - you still need to locate the
> software.
You're right but also wrong, Reb. Once you are 'registered', having
registered for True Image 8.0 Personal, you just click on
Registered Products on their My Account Page on their website,
and there's a link for downloading it. Just a bit roundabout,
but not as bad as most.

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Planer

Planer
Sat May 24 09:55:09 PDT 2008

> Rick Chauvin wrote:
>> Here's a real treat....
>>
>> Free version of Acronis v8
>>
>> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
>> registered user for all their versions anyway)

I filled out the form and a window came up saying they had emailed me,
but I never received the email. Wonder what's up with that?


Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sat May 24 10:59:37 PDT 2008



"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:4838446A.20307@nospam.net
> Thanks again, Rick. I followed the link, registered, got
> a password and serial number e-mailed to me, and I went back
> and downloaded it. I've passed all this back to my buddy,
> who needs it for his WIN 98 OS.

You're welcome. v8 is good for W98, W2K, WXP too; actually v6 is the
best for W98 because of it's simplistic GUI and small footprint, where v8
has extra bells and whistles I never use let alone even clicked through and
imho are not needed anyway. Actually v9, v10 & v11 have even more stuuuuff
that's not needed as each version progresses, all of which I only use
strictly the imager portion on any of them, and ignore the rest.

Rick






Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sat May 24 11:13:01 PDT 2008



"Planer" <noone@nowherenohow.com> wrote in message
news:NLXZj.49292$7a.41798@bignews1.bellsouth.net

> I filled out the form and a window came up saying they had emailed me,
> but I never received the email. Wonder what's up with that?

hopefully you typed in the right email address...

Rick



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Planer

Planer
Sat May 24 10:17:30 PDT 2008

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> "Planer" <noone@nowherenohow.com> wrote in message
> news:NLXZj.49292$7a.41798@bignews1.bellsouth.net
>
>> I filled out the form and a window came up saying they had emailed me,
>> but I never received the email. Wonder what's up with that?
>
> hopefully you typed in the right email address...
>
> Rick
>
>

No, I typed in yours. Did you get my email?

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sat May 24 12:26:22 PDT 2008



"Planer" <noone@nowherenohow.com> wrote in message
news:K4YZj.49304$7a.10733@bignews1.bellsouth.net

> No, I typed in yours. Did you get my email?

That attitude reply was unnecessary.

My reply was meant to be helpful and surly not meant as a putdown, don't be
so sensitive.

People make typo mistakes all the time, I know I do.

Fill out the form again and see if it will take, if it says that email is
already taken then great, so try some variances like see if you can click
for a new password, etc, etc... if all else fails then try a variance to
your name and sign up again.

Rick




Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Gary

Gary
Sat May 24 11:50:22 PDT 2008

The ingrate might want to consider the possibility of SPAM filter(s) being
involved.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:enGQ4tcvIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
> "Planer" <noone@nowherenohow.com> wrote in message
> news:K4YZj.49304$7a.10733@bignews1.bellsouth.net
>
>> No, I typed in yours. Did you get my email?
>
> That attitude reply was unnecessary.
>
> My reply was meant to be helpful and surly not meant as a putdown, don't
> be
> so sensitive.
>
> People make typo mistakes all the time, I know I do.
>
> Fill out the form again and see if it will take, if it says that email is
> already taken then great, so try some variances like see if you can click
> for a new password, etc, etc... if all else fails then try a variance to
> your name and sign up again.
>
> Rick
>
>
>


Re: Backup software--like GHOST by MEB

MEB
Sat May 24 11:36:23 PDT 2008

Thanks Rick, for that information.

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:uw51LebvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| Your welcome,
|
| If anyone is interested to see back in 2004 all the Acronis webpages that
| were showing online for v8 back then, like System Requirements, Feature
| Details, etc, etc, ..all of these I had saved as mht offline webpages back
| in 2004, and fyc I just uploaded if anyone wants to read them.
| I imagine don't use v8 on Vista, or obviously since so many hardware
| advancements were made since 2004 there may be some hardware situations
| that this older v8 wont recognize or have drivers for, like some
| specialized SATA RAID controller cards setups, etc; however it does
| recognize SATA 1.5 Controllers with SATA 3.0 HD's just fine and I've used
| it for those circumstances many times, all well as all matters of PATA.
|
| Anyway, here's the link for the offline webpage mht's..
| http://rdchauvin.com/AcronisTrueImageV8-OfflineWebpageMHT's-2004.zip
|
| Rick
|
|
| "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
| news:O1aRUCbvIHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
| > Rick Chauvin wrote:
| >> Here's a real treat....
| >>
| >> Free version of Acronis v8
| >>
| >> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
| >>
| >> Rick
| >>
| >>
| >> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
| >> registered user for all their versions anyway)
| >>
| >>
| > Thank you, Rick, I'll pass it to my buddy........
|
|
|
|
|
|
|



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by William

William
Sat May 24 14:19:43 PDT 2008

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> "Planer" <noone@nowherenohow.com> wrote in message
> news:K4YZj.49304$7a.10733@bignews1.bellsouth.net
>
>> No, I typed in yours. Did you get my email?
>
> That attitude reply was unnecessary.
>
> My reply was meant to be helpful and surly not meant as a putdown, don't be
> so sensitive.
>
> People make typo mistakes all the time, I know I do.
>
> Fill out the form again and see if it will take, if it says that email is
> already taken then great, so try some variances like see if you can click
> for a new password, etc, etc... if all else fails then try a variance to
> your name and sign up again.
>
> Rick
>
>
>
By the way....both I and my buddy had no trouble other than
that the download link is a bit hard to find......

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Bill

Bill
Sat May 24 15:13:34 PDT 2008

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:uc8wpgVvIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>> Or an older copy of Acronis True Image (I'm not sure if the newer
>> editions still work for Win98SE).
>
> v9 is the last W98SE supported version that you can install it to, however
> of course using it via its boot disk, the newer versions (v10, v11) will
> image/restore anything.
>
> Rick

OK, good to know this, Rick! I've been using the newer version on XP,
and it works great as a backup and restore method (using an external USB HD
enclosure, for the backup drive - I only turn that drive on when I make or
restore a backup).



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Lil'

Lil'
Sat May 24 20:44:54 PDT 2008

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
> (I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
> found it unwieldy in that it required their original
> CD to do a Restore). Thank you.

DriveImage 6, otherwise known as DriveImage 2002, requires a pair of boot
floppy diskettes for restoration of the operating system partition. They
(floppies) are made in windows after the DI 2002 program is installed in
windows. The subsequent version of DI, 7.0, requires the use of its boot CD
for restoration of the partition it resides in. Am assuming that the boot
partition and windows partition are the same. And, am assuming the boot
media can access the media the image file was previously saved to (USB,
Firewire, ide HD connected to ide card can be probematic).

In both versions, you can restore the non-windows partition(s) without use
of the boot media.
--
Dave

Memorial day:
In honor for those who served and
died for your freedom of speech, exercise
that right where you fear repercussion
the most for your voiced opinion.



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Lil'

Lil'
Sat May 24 20:55:35 PDT 2008

"William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
> (I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
> found it unwieldy in that it required their original
> CD to do a Restore). Thank you.

Someone mentioned motherboards, someone mentioned Casper, another TrueImage.
On that note, I found on an 865PE chipset board with early SATA that a
version of TrueImage created image files whose restorations were unbootable
for one reason or another. Also, with Casper 4.0, it trashed both the
source partitions and created unbootable copied partitions on the target
hard drive.
--
Dave

Memorial day:
In honor for those who served and
died for your freedom of speech, exercise
that right where you fear repercussion
the most for your voiced opinion.



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Bill

Bill
Sat May 24 21:31:43 PDT 2008

Lil' Dave wrote:
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:%23uhpPPRvIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Good friend of mine got GHOST 9 and then found
>> out it isn't for WIN 98. He got GHOST 2003
>> with it, that is for 98. But I recall seeing
>> suggested here, other drive imaging and restoring
>> packages that people find preferable to the Norton/
>> Symantec stuff. Could I have a few suggestions?
>> (I used to use PowerQuests's Drive Image 6 but
>> found it unwieldy in that it required their original
>> CD to do a Restore). Thank you.
>
> Someone mentioned motherboards, someone mentioned Casper, another
> TrueImage.
> On that note, I found on an 865PE chipset board with early SATA that a
> version of TrueImage created image files whose restorations were
> unbootable
> for one reason or another. Also, with Casper 4.0, it trashed both the
> source partitions and created unbootable copied partitions on the target
> hard drive.

Perhaps they would have needed a newer version of either program to handle
SATA (which is relatively new) properly, but the newer versions might not be
compatible with Win98 - so that might be a possible explanation.



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by rebel

rebel
Sat May 24 21:42:17 PDT 2008

On Sat, 24 May 2008 12:41:03 -0400, "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net>
wrote:

>rebel wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 10:44:49 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a real treat....
>>>
>>> Free version of Acronis v8
>>>
>>> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
>>> registered user for all their versions anyway)
>>
>> Completing that form merely gets you a reg code - you still need to locate the
>> software.
>You're right but also wrong, Reb. Once you are 'registered', having
>registered for True Image 8.0 Personal, you just click on
>Registered Products on their My Account Page on their website,
>and there's a link for downloading it. Just a bit roundabout,
>but not as bad as most.

Thanks for that - and to Rick as well. Have just downloaded it from their "lost
your executable?" link.

Previously I had used XXCOPY (for 98SE) but on the last occasion it really made
a mess. I was trying to transfer an laptop drive image to a larger drive, so I
ran XXCOPY on a desktop with the source and target (IDE) drives patched in. The
target drive was a total fscked up mess afterwards. So next I refreshed (FDISK
and FORMAT) the target and then used Windoze Exploder to simply drag eveything
from source to target. Following an FDISK/MBR everything was sweet.

Next time I need to do this sort of thing, it will be TI8.

Sorry to hijack the thread.

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sun May 25 05:28:56 PDT 2008



"Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
news:OxU5wshvIHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl

> Someone mentioned motherboards, someone mentioned Casper, another
> TrueImage. On that note, I found on an 865PE chipset board with early
> SATA that a version of TrueImage created image files whose restorations
> were unbootable for one reason or another. Also, with Casper 4.0, it
> trashed both the source partitions and created unbootable copied
> partitions on the target hard drive.

In the beginning I was an avid powerquest Drive Image user myself.
Absolutely loved it (and still do in retrospect) ..and have and used All
their versions and at the time they never failed me - until after literally
a thousand good restores of all kinds finally came the day that DI v6
wrecked things quite nicely, and actually it was on an intel 865 board now
that you mention it (which I have three of them in operation) I realized
that I was asking too much of DI 2002 (v6) to recognize unique hardware
situations beyond its build date - which is understandable. Sure the
instances could of been a fluke of one kind or another, but I was well
aware and realized I needed something that was up to date with the times -
which really had to happen sooner or later anyway. Besides, True Image's
virtual backup image explorer compared to DI's explorer, is 1000 times
better in all ways and has to be used to appreciate the leap in
accomplishment and usable real-time benefits it offers which are too
numerable to mention.

What version of True Image did you have trouble with? True Image v8 works
well with the onboard SATA 1 interface of the D865 motherboards, but v8 and
the 865 (and beyond) does have a hard time recognizing certain brands of
onboard SATA 2 PCI Controller Cards (which again were built after the TI v8
build date too) True Image v9, v10, and v11 solve those problems
successively. Going slightly on a tangent here but because of what, imho,
problemize all software makers is the thought and push that they have to
put every frill and frosting add-on into their software trying to do
everything besides imaging, from A to Z, and therein lies the bloat and
subsequent problems that arise from that unneeded excess options that
complicate what doesn't have to be, and Acronis's latest versions are
starting to cross the line too. I'm I use these imaging programs for one
thing, which is to Manually create and restore images, or backup image file
searching, but every other cupcake frill on it I ignore and never even
click through the options... anyway I don't want to get OT on the issue.

Rick

ps, btw... I still have DI v5 and yes v6 installed on all my OS's and
revisit them from time to time.




> --
> Dave
>
> Memorial day:
> In honor for those who served and
> died for your freedom of speech, exercise
> that right where you fear repercussion
> the most for your voiced opinion.



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sun May 25 05:29:45 PDT 2008



"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23X8S5CdvIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
> Thanks Rick, for that information.

Hi MEB, good to see you still around.

Rick

>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sun May 25 05:35:54 PDT 2008



"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:%23tUB87cvIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
> The ingrate might want to consider the possibility of SPAM filter(s)
> being involved.

Hello Gary,
I actually had to look up that word ingrate <s>
..ah yes, means ungrateful.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt first since they could of thought I
was chiding them, without realizing I was sincere that we all make a simple
typo filling out forms now and then, which doesn't make us anything other
than human.

Take good care of yourself, and try not to spend to much of you precious
health energy debating with those that think its fund to bate you to do so.

Rick

>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Rick

Rick
Sun May 25 05:40:52 PDT 2008



"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:%23XkkptevIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl

> OK, good to know this, Rick! I've been using the newer version on
> XP, and it works great as a backup and restore method (using an external
> USB HD enclosure, for the backup drive - I only turn that drive on when
> I make or restore a backup).

Hi Bill, how are you.
I see you alot over there in the WXP forums lately.
I don't post there really, or anywhere because of the lack of time, but I
am Always around reading the forums keeping up with things.

Yes I have all the versions of TI and have made the bootable CD with each
version, so that I can jump forward to any version restore specialty in
specific situations. I still base off of v8 though at the present time, but
that can change at a moments notice.

Rick



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Gary

Gary
Sun May 25 09:12:57 PDT 2008

Could be, but I felt that Planer needed a subtle reminder that when asking
for free help from volunteers, one should not start biting the hand that
feeds. And Planer isn't even the OP, just some lurker.

Of course, MS tends to flog these groups as their first line of tech
support, and that puts us on a par with unintelligible people from foreign
lands, phone menus that never end, non-answers from a useless script, etc.,
etc.

As for the rest, berating people who need berating, I'm enjoying it. In the
case of the jerks who hijacked this group to turn it into a geek forum,
slogging crap that only geeks would even be intellectually interested in,
with no sense of responsibility whatsoever to the OP's actual needs, who
better to bash?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com


"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:%23dFsRwlvIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
> news:%23tUB87cvIHA.5448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
>> The ingrate might want to consider the possibility of SPAM filter(s)
>> being involved.
>
> Hello Gary,
> I actually had to look up that word ingrate <s>
> ..ah yes, means ungrateful.
> I'll give them the benefit of the doubt first since they could of thought
> I was chiding them, without realizing I was sincere that we all make a
> simple typo filling out forms now and then, which doesn't make us anything
> other than human.
>
> Take good care of yourself, and try not to spend to much of you precious
> health energy debating with those that think its fund to bate you to do
> so.
>
> Rick
>
>>
>> --
>> Gary S. Terhune
>> MS-MVP Shell/User
>> www.grystmill.com
>
>


Re: Backup software--like GHOST by William

William
Sun May 25 09:25:11 PDT 2008

rebel wrote:
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 12:41:03 -0400, "William B. Lurie" <billurie@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
>> rebel wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 May 2008 10:44:49 -0500, "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's a real treat....
>>>>
>>>> Free version of Acronis v8
>>>>
>>>> http://www.acronis.co.uk/mag/pcpro/ati8pe
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (I haven't tried filling out this form myself, since I'm already a
>>>> registered user for all their versions anyway)
>>> Completing that form merely gets you a reg code - you still need to locate the
>>> software.
>> You're right but also wrong, Reb. Once you are 'registered', having
>> registered for True Image 8.0 Personal, you just click on
>> Registered Products on their My Account Page on their website,
>> and there's a link for downloading it. Just a bit roundabout,
>> but not as bad as most.
>
> Thanks for that - and to Rick as well. Have just downloaded it from their "lost
> your executable?" link.
>
> Previously I had used XXCOPY (for 98SE) but on the last occasion it really made
> a mess. I was trying to transfer an laptop drive image to a larger drive, so I
> ran XXCOPY on a desktop with the source and target (IDE) drives patched in. The
> target drive was a total fscked up mess afterwards. So next I refreshed (FDISK
> and FORMAT) the target and then used Windoze Exploder to simply drag eveything
> from source to target. Following an FDISK/MBR everything was sweet.
>
> Next time I need to do this sort of thing, it will be TI8.
>
> Sorry to hijack the thread.

Don't apologize to *me*, Reb. I have enjoyed and learned a lot
from this lengthy thread, right on and off to the side as
well. I've been a GHOST 10'er for a couple of years, in XP, and
came here to help a 98-bound friend. The help we got here was
large and great and educational and useful. TI-8, as recommended,
was zackly what he needed. I'm going to try TI-8 on XP (where
they claim it works) and won't be surprised if it's better tha
GHOST-10.

Thanks to all.

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by MEB

MEB
Sun May 25 10:11:52 PDT 2008

Oh yeah, still slogging through, what's been up with you?

--
MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
--
_________

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:%239qTRwlvIHA.516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
|
|
| "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| news:%23X8S5CdvIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
| > Thanks Rick, for that information.
|
| Hi MEB, good to see you still around.
|
| Rick
|
| >
| > --
| > MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
|
|



Re: Backup software--like GHOST by William

William
Sun May 25 10:36:02 PDT 2008

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> "Lil' Dave" <spamyourself@virus.net> wrote in message
> news:OxU5wshvIHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl
>
>> Someone mentioned motherboards, someone mentioned Casper, another
>> TrueImage. On that note, I found on an 865PE chipset board with early
>> SATA that a version of TrueImage created image files whose restorations
>> were unbootable for one reason or another. Also, with Casper 4.0, it
>> trashed both the source partitions and created unbootable copied
>> partitions on the target hard drive.
>
> In the beginning I was an avid powerquest Drive Image user myself.
> Absolutely loved it (and still do in retrospect) ..and have and used All
> their versions and at the time they never failed me - until after literally
> a thousand good restores of all kinds finally came the day that DI v6
> wrecked things quite nicely, and actually it was on an intel 865 board now
> that you mention it (which I have three of them in operation) I realized
> that I was asking too much of DI 2002 (v6) to recognize unique hardware
> situations beyond its build date - which is understandable. Sure the
> instances could of been a fluke of one kind or another, but I was well
> aware and realized I needed something that was up to date with the times -
> which really had to happen sooner or later anyway. Besides, True Image's
> virtual backup image explorer compared to DI's explorer, is 1000 times
> better in all ways and has to be used to appreciate the leap in
> accomplishment and usable real-time benefits it offers which are too
> numerable to mention.
>
> What version of True Image did you have trouble with? True Image v8 works
> well with the onboard SATA 1 interface of the D865 motherboards, but v8 and
> the 865 (and beyond) does have a hard time recognizing certain brands of
> onboard SATA 2 PCI Controller Cards (which again were built after the TI v8
> build date too) True Image v9, v10, and v11 solve those problems
> successively. Going slightly on a tangent here but because of what, imho,
> problemize all software makers is the thought and push that they have to
> put every frill and frosting add-on into their software trying to do
> everything besides imaging, from A to Z, and therein lies the bloat and
> subsequent problems that arise from that unneeded excess options that
> complicate what doesn't have to be, and Acronis's latest versions are
> starting to cross the line too. I'm I use these imaging programs for one
> thing, which is to Manually create and restore images, or backup image file
> searching, but every other cupcake frill on it I ignore and never even
> click through the options... anyway I don't want to get OT on the issue.
>
> Rick
>
> ps, btw... I still have DI v5 and yes v6 installed on all my OS's and
> revisit them from time to time.
>
>
>
>
>> --
>> Dave
>>
>> Dave, I, too used D-I but only V7 and it was a horror having to
reinsert their one and only CD to do a Recovery. Eventually the CD
failed and they had no interest. Then PQ was no longer, and I bought
one cheap on eBay. Then in 2006, I bought Norton System Works 2006
Premier and with it came GHOST 10, which is really PQ DI-7 with
some modernizing. I've plodded along with it, but now, from
what I hear here, I'm going to like True Image 8 a lot better.

>
>

Re: Backup software--like GHOST by Bill

Bill
Sun May 25 13:28:53 PDT 2008

Rick Chauvin wrote:
> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:%23XkkptevIHA.548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl
>
>> OK, good to know this, Rick! I've been using the newer version on
>> XP, and it works great as a backup and restore method (using an external
>> USB HD enclosure, for the backup drive - I only turn that drive on when
>> I make or restore a backup).
>
> Hi Bill, how are you.

Doing OK, and hope you are too Rick (and Gary too, et al).

> I see you alot over there in the WXP forums lately.
> I don't post there really, or anywhere because of the lack of time, but I
> am Always around reading the forums keeping up with things.

Yeah, I've been spending a bit more time over there, coming up to speed on
WinXP, and offering some support over there. And even occasionally
playing with a troll or two over there, and we have a couple of real doozies
over there (Of course, we have a couple in here, too. :-)

But I still like this group, too. On the whole, this group seems a bit
more techie, and less clutered with fluff, probably due to the more seasoned
veterans being here, and more newbies being over there.

But fortunately, the newest newbies (who are still trying to find the power
switch, and the "Any Key" in "Press Any Key"), will probably be going to
VISTA. (UGH - Big YUKKO!! As in, "Thanks, but no thanks" - what an
albatross).

As it is now, I have two computers, one with 98SE and one with XP. Been
using the XP one much more, however. But there are still some things I
miss in XP that are there in 98SE. Even simple things, like getting a
nice, decent, log file out of SFC, and having some more choices in how I
run it. And - none of the overhead with "account privileges", etc, etc.
I'll have to concede, however, that XP is much more robust. Haven't had a
blue screen even yet (I must be slipping :-)

> Yes I have all the versions of TI and have made the bootable CD with each
> version, so that I can jump forward to any version restore specialty in
> specific situations. I stil