copy large file to USB drive hangs

When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?

I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
machine and I can copy large files.

Thanks for your advice.

David
Fri Mar 14 18:54:49 PDT 2008

From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>

| When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
| checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
| SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
|
| I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
| machine and I can copy large files.
|
| Thanks for your advice.

Petrform a complete CHDSK on the drive.

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flahmeshess
Fri Mar 14 20:05:22 PDT 2008

I've done chkdsk /f /v /r /x. No errors. I have the same problem
with another external USB HDD. I don't think it's a problem with the
hardware. Something is wrong with my Windows 2k.... any advice ?
Thanks.

On Mar 15, 9:54 am, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com>
>
> | When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> | checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> | SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
> |
> | I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
> | machine and I can copy large files.
> |
> | Thanks for your advice.
>
> Petrform a complete CHDSK on the drive.
>
> --
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Pegasus
Fri Mar 14 23:14:01 PDT 2008


"flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c533a99b-3f62-4359-8f86-d98bebf797b4@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
> I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
> machine and I can copy large files.
>
> Thanks for your advice.

Try doing it from a Command Prompt and report
what happens:

copy "d:\My Files\Some File.doc" F:\{Enter}

David
Sat Mar 15 03:21:27 PDT 2008

From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>

| I've done chkdsk /f /v /r /x. No errors. I have the same problem
| with another external USB HDD. I don't think it's a problem with the
| hardware. Something is wrong with my Windows 2k.... any advice ?
| Thanks.
|

Perhaps then there is a problem with either the USB drivers or the chip-set itself.

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Andrew
Sat Mar 15 05:58:49 PDT 2008

In article <c533a99b-3f62-4359-8f86-d98bebf797b4
@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, dingdongdingding@yahoo.com says...
> When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
> I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
> machine and I can copy large files.

Is there a common file size that causes the problem? What is the format
of the USB drive (FAT32, NTFS?) USB1 or USB2? How are you copying
(Explorer, command prompt, other program?)

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Sid
Sat Mar 15 07:34:58 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?

How big a file? How is the USB drive formatted?

There is a file size limitation of somewhere around 2G (I think) for FAT32.

flahmeshess
Sat Mar 15 07:58:03 PDT 2008

After some time, the USB HDD light will go RED in colour and my
computer will hang. I have to unplug the HDD. There will be an error
thrown about not able to save all the data....etc

On Mar 15, 2:14 pm, "Pegasus \(MVP\)" <I....@fly.com.oz> wrote:
> "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:c533a99b-3f62-4359-8f86-d98bebf797b4@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> > checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> > SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
> > I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
> > machine and I can copy large files.
>
> > Thanks for your advice.
>
> Try doing it from a Command Prompt and report
> what happens:
>
> copy "d:\My Files\Some File.doc" F:\{Enter}

flahmeshess
Sat Mar 15 07:59:15 PDT 2008

How do I trouble shoot this ? How do I get the USB driver ? Is
there a website for me to download ?

On Mar 15, 6:21 pm, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com>
>
> | I've done chkdsk /f /v /r /x. No errors. I have the same problem
> | with another external USB HDD. I don't think it's a problem with the
> | hardware. Something is wrong with my Windows 2k.... any advice ?
> | Thanks.
> |
>
> Perhaps then there is a problem with either the USB drivers or the chip-set itself.
>
> --
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> Multi-AV -http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

flahmeshess
Sat Mar 15 08:05:19 PDT 2008

1. It's NTFS
2. USB 2.0
3. I've tried all methods: dos prompt, explorer, Total commander.
Allway Sync, xxcopy, ycopy.... hang
4. I've also tried to use NERO Backup. But NERO breaks the file up
after certain size.
5. My files are > 1GB in size. Also happen for < 1GB.
6. I did some research and found some info on the Windows function,
CopyFileEX and CopyFile. I thought these utilities are all using this
function. So I thought I can try using a Unix port of CP command to
copy. Hey it's worked... but it does not eliminate the problem. I
did once encounter a hang (HDD red light) but I manage to copy many
files over. I'm just thinking that the Unix CP is using read to
buffer and write from buffer... but it still hangs, so I don't have a
conclusion at the moment.

On Mar 15, 8:58 pm, Andrew Rossmann
<andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <c533a99b-3f62-4359-8f86-d98bebf797b4
> @i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> > checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> > SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
> > I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
> > machine and I can copy large files.
>
> Is there a common file size that causes the problem? What is the format
> of the USB drive (FAT32, NTFS?) USB1 or USB2? How are you copying
> (Explorer, command prompt, other program?)
>
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flahmeshess
Sat Mar 15 08:06:12 PDT 2008

Happens for > 1GB but also happens for < 1GB, eg 500-600 MB. It's
NTFS.

On Mar 15, 10:34 pm, Sid Elbow <h...@there.com> wrote:
> flahmeshess wrote:
> > When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> > checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> > SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
> How big a file? How is the USB drive formatted?
>
> There is a file size limitation of somewhere around 2G (I think) for FAT32.

legg
Sat Mar 15 09:43:52 PDT 2008

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:17:09 -0700 (PDT),
flahmeshess <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com> wrote:

>When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
>checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
>SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
>I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
>machine and I can copy large files.
>

Does this machine have USB2 hardware?

I had this trouble on an older machine with
USB1.1.

RL

flahmeshess
Sat Mar 15 08:50:24 PDT 2008

This machine has USB 2.0.

On Mar 16, 12:43 am, legg <l...@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:17:09 -0700 (PDT),
>
> flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> >checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> >SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
> >I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
> >machine and I can copy large files.
>
> Does this machine have USB2 hardware?
>
> I had this trouble on an older machine with
> USB1.1.
>
> RL

David
Sat Mar 15 13:57:04 PDT 2008

From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>

| How do I trouble shoot this ? How do I get the USB driver ? Is
| there a website for me to download ?
|

Examine the USB setup in Device Manager.

It would be based upon the chip-set. For example, if it is an Intel chip-set then you can
get the software from Intel.

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Andrew
Sun Mar 16 06:11:29 PDT 2008

In article <8948e72d-26f8-4c57-9ed2-9a9a253c0c90
@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, dingdongdingding@yahoo.com says...
> After some time, the USB HDD light will go RED in colour and my
> computer will hang. I have to unplug the HDD. There will be an error
> thrown about not able to save all the data....etc

What brand/model external drive or enclosure (if you put a normal drive
in a case)? What does a RED light mean?

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Andrew
Sun Mar 16 06:12:54 PDT 2008

In article <MPG.2246d8772e29c13698999c@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net says...
> In article <8948e72d-26f8-4c57-9ed2-9a9a253c0c90
> @d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, dingdongdingding@yahoo.com says...
> > After some time, the USB HDD light will go RED in colour and my
> > computer will hang. I have to unplug the HDD. There will be an error
> > thrown about not able to save all the data....etc
>
> What brand/model external drive or enclosure (if you put a normal drive
> in a case)? What does a RED light mean?

Should have also added: Is the drive powered by the USB port, or does it
have it's own power supply?

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flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 08:04:25 PDT 2008

I have 3 external USB HDD. 2 made in China (no name). 1 made in
Korea (Sarotech). All experience the same problem.

No activity. Continous green light.
Activity, red/green light.

Seldome get continuous red light in normal operation. But that's what
I'm getting now when the PC hangs.

On Mar 16, 9:11 pm, Andrew Rossmann
<andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <8948e72d-26f8-4c57-9ed2-9a9a253c0c90
> @d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > After some time, the USB HDD light will go RED in colour and my
> > computer will hang. I have to unplug the HDD. There will be an error
> > thrown about not able to save all the data....etc
>
> What brand/model external drive or enclosure (if you put a normal drive
> in a case)? What does a RED light mean?
>
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flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 08:05:58 PDT 2008

The Korean one is 3.5 inch and requires external power supply. The
other 2 China made ones are 2.5 inch and draws power from the USB but
it has a Y cable, meaning it plugs into 2 USB: one for signal +
power, the other for power only.

On Mar 16, 9:12 pm, Andrew Rossmann
<andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
> In article <MPG.2246d8772e29c136989...@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
> andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net says...
>
> > In article <8948e72d-26f8-4c57-9ed2-9a9a253c0c90
> > @d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com says...
> > > After some time, the USB HDD light will go RED in colour and my
> > > computer will hang. I have to unplug the HDD. There will be an error
> > > thrown about not able to save all the data....etc
>
> > What brand/model external drive or enclosure (if you put a normal drive
> > in a case)? What does a RED light mean?
>
> Should have also added: Is the drive powered by the USB port, or does it
> have it's own power supply?
>
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flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 08:06:42 PDT 2008

My chip is from Intel but the drivers are Microsoft. Any problems
there ?

On Mar 16, 4:57 am, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com>
>
> | How do I trouble shoot this ? How do I get the USB driver ? Is
> | there a website for me to download ?
> |
>
> Examine the USB setup in Device Manager.
>
> It would be based upon the chip-set. For example, if it is an Intel chip-set then you can
> get the software from Intel.
>
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David
Sun Mar 16 08:39:03 PDT 2008

From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>

| My chip is from Intel but the drivers are Microsoft. Any problems
| there ?
|

Get the drivers from Intel.

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flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 09:26:22 PDT 2008

Can I clarify this with you ? What I need to download is the chipset
software, right ? Thanks...

On Mar 16, 11:39 pm, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com>
>
> | My chip is from Intel but the drivers are Microsoft. Any problems
> | there ?
> |
>
> Get the drivers from Intel.
>
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flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 09:53:27 PDT 2008

I downloaded the chipset software and installed it. Then I went to
the device manager and changed all the USB drivers to Intel.
Rebooted. Still hang. I don't know if I've done the driver update
correctly.

On Mar 16, 11:39 pm, "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nosp...@Verizon.Net>
wrote:
> From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com>
>
> | My chip is from Intel but the drivers are Microsoft. Any problems
> | there ?
> |
>
> Get the drivers from Intel.
>
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David
Sun Mar 16 10:34:23 PDT 2008

From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>

| I downloaded the chipset software and installed it. Then I went to
| the device manager and changed all the USB drivers to Intel.
| Rebooted. Still hang. I don't know if I've done the driver update
| correctly.
|

If it was done corerectly then there would be no yellow "!" or "?" [ exclamation or
question ] marks in Device Manager.

If the copy process is still problematic after that, then it isn't a driver issue.

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Frank
Sun Mar 16 10:47:13 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> 1. It's NTFS
> 2. USB 2.0
> 3. I've tried all methods: dos prompt, explorer, Total commander.
> Allway Sync, xxcopy, ycopy.... hang
> 4. I've also tried to use NERO Backup. But NERO breaks the file up
> after certain size.
> 5. My files are > 1GB in size. Also happen for < 1GB.

Well I regularly backup my files (250MB to 500MB) to a USB flashdrive
with SP4 and have never encountered a problem, so your problem has
nothing to do with Win2k. Sound like a driver issue. When you look at
Device Manager under "Universal Serial Bus controllers", are there any
red or yellow warning markers? Is "Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host
Controller" (USB2 installed) shown?

Finally have a look at this website which should provide a solution.
http://www.usbman.com/Troubleshooter%20General.htm

flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 17:55:46 PDT 2008

ok. I didn't get any ? or !. Thanks.

David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>
>
> | I downloaded the chipset software and installed it. Then I went to
> | the device manager and changed all the USB drivers to Intel.
> | Rebooted. Still hang. I don't know if I've done the driver update
> | correctly.
> |
>
> If it was done corerectly then there would be no yellow "!" or "?" [ exclamation or
> question ] marks in Device Manager.
>
> If the copy process is still problematic after that, then it isn't a driver issue.
>
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flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 17:58:24 PDT 2008

When you say 250MB to 500MB, are you referring to file size or the
total number of bytes ? My files are > 500MB or > 1GB.

No yellow or red error warning marks.

Frank Booth Snr wrote:

> flahmeshess wrote:
> > 1. It's NTFS
> > 2. USB 2.0
> > 3. I've tried all methods: dos prompt, explorer, Total commander.
> > Allway Sync, xxcopy, ycopy.... hang
> > 4. I've also tried to use NERO Backup. But NERO breaks the file up
> > after certain size.
> > 5. My files are > 1GB in size. Also happen for < 1GB.
>
> Well I regularly backup my files (250MB to 500MB) to a USB flashdrive
> with SP4 and have never encountered a problem, so your problem has
> nothing to do with Win2k. Sound like a driver issue. When you look at
> Device Manager under "Universal Serial Bus controllers", are there any
> red or yellow warning markers? Is "Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host
> Controller" (USB2 installed) shown?
>
> Finally have a look at this website which should provide a solution.
> http://www.usbman.com/Troubleshooter%20General.htm

David
Sun Mar 16 18:12:55 PDT 2008

From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>

| When you say 250MB to 500MB, are you referring to file size or the
| total number of bytes ? My files are > 500MB or > 1GB.
|
| No yellow or red error warning marks.
|

Are the files >4GB ?

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flahmeshess
Sun Mar 16 21:25:28 PDT 2008

No. About 500MB to 2.5GB

David H. Lipman wrote:

> From: "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com>
>
> | When you say 250MB to 500MB, are you referring to file size or the
> | total number of bytes ? My files are > 500MB or > 1GB.
> |
> | No yellow or red error warning marks.
> |
>
> Are the files >4GB ?
>
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flahmeshess
Mon Mar 17 08:09:59 PDT 2008

Your questions...Is "Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host
Controller" (USB2 installed) shown?

My Answer: I have the following:

Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2830
Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2831
Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2832
Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2834
Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 2836
Intel(R) ICH8 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 283A
USB 2.0 Root Hub
USB 2.0 Root Hub
USB Composite Device
USB Mass Storage Device <=== This appeared when I plug in my USB HDD
USB Printing Support
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub
USB Root Hub

On Mar 17, 1:47 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> flahmeshess wrote:
> > 1. It's NTFS
> > 2. USB 2.0
> > 3. I've tried all methods: dos prompt, explorer, Total commander.
> > Allway Sync, xxcopy, ycopy.... hang
> > 4. I've also tried to use NERO Backup. But NERO breaks the file up
> > after certain size.
> > 5. My files are > 1GB in size. Also happen for < 1GB.
>
> Well I regularly backup my files (250MB to 500MB) to a USB flashdrive
> with SP4 and have never encountered a problem, so your problem has
> nothing to do with Win2k. Sound like a driver issue. When you look at
> Device Manager under "Universal Serial Bus controllers", are there any
> red or yellow warning markers? Is "Standard Enhanced PCI to USB Host
> Controller" (USB2 installed) shown?
>
> Finally have a look at this website which should provide a solution.http://www.usbman.com/Troubleshooter%20General.htm

flahmeshess
Mon Mar 17 09:06:08 PDT 2008

My USB Mass Storage Device is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. Is
this outdated ?

Frank
Tue Mar 18 20:32:34 PDT 2008


"flahmeshess" <dingdongdingding@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:73c77dc4-6956-44ba-b067-8bcea6d1509c@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> My USB Mass Storage Device is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. Is
> this outdated ?

From your earlier post you clearly have your PC configured for USB2 which is
compatible with USB devices. Your drive will only makes use of USB, not USB2
as that wasn't around then, so it's a much slower device. You should see
'USB mass storage device' under Device Manager, when it's plugged in. Double
click just to make sure it's shown as working properly. You should also see
a separate category 'Storage Volume' which is your listed USB device. Check
that this is also working properly and whether Device Manager can actually
show the actual name of the manufacturer of the device in 'location'. Also
ckeck that the device has been digitally signed when you look under the tab
'driver'.

Finally, r.click My Computer/Manage/Disk Management. Check that the drive is
shown correctly (when connected), particularly its size is being seen by
Win2k and correctly described.

flahmeshess
Fri Mar 21 03:04:38 PDT 2008

My USB is 2.0 and my drive is also USB 2.0.
I don't see a "Storage Volume", is it because I'm using Win2000 ?
The drive is correctly sized.

On Mar 19, 11:32 am, "Frank Booth Snr" <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "flahmeshess" <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:73c77dc4-6956-44ba-b067-8bcea6d1509c@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > My USB Mass Storage Device is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. Is
> > this outdated ?
>
> From your earlier post you clearly have your PC configured for USB2 which is
> compatible with USB devices. Your drive will only makes use of USB, not USB2
> as that wasn't around then, so it's a much slower device. You should see
> 'USB mass storage device' under Device Manager, when it's plugged in. Double
> click just to make sure it's shown as working properly. You should also see
> a separate category 'Storage Volume' which is your listed USB device. Check
> that this is also working properly and whether Device Manager can actually
> show the actual name of the manufacturer of the device in 'location'. Also
> ckeck that the device has been digitally signed when you look under the tab
> 'driver'.
>
> Finally, r.click My Computer/Manage/Disk Management. Check that the drive is
> shown correctly (when connected), particularly its size is being seen by
> Win2k and correctly described.

flahmeshess
Fri Mar 21 03:05:56 PDT 2008

My USBStor.sys is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. What is the
latest ? If outdated, where I can download the newer one ? Can't
find it on Microsoft website.

On Mar 18, 12:06 am, flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My USB Mass Storage Device is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. Is
> this outdated ?

flahmeshess
Fri Mar 21 05:38:18 PDT 2008

I found a USBStor in driverguide. I tried to see if by replacing it
would solve the problem. But I cannot replace it. When I copy over
it, I keep getting the old copy in windows/system32/driver. What is
the right way to replace the usbstor.sys ? Thank...

On Mar 21, 6:05 pm, flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> My USBStor.sys is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. What is the
> latest ? If outdated, where I can download the newer one ? Can't
> find it on Microsoft website.
>
> On Mar 18, 12:06 am, flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > My USB Mass Storage Device is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. Is
> > this outdated ?

Airman
Sat Mar 22 06:50:45 PDT 2008

Some USB ports don't seem to perform up to spec on particular computers,
IME, as to the power requirements of the USB drive. This would explain
yours working on one box and not another. Try a power adapter or a
powered hub and see if it works.

flahmeshess wrote:
> When I copy large files to my USB drive, it hangs. I've done some
> checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is fixed in
> SP2. But I'm already using SP4. Any idea what could be wrong ?
>
> I don't think it's a hardware issue. I've use the drive on a XP
> machine and I can copy large files.
>
> Thanks for your advice.

Frank
Sat Mar 22 12:13:32 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> I found a USBStor in driverguide. I tried to see if by replacing it
> would solve the problem. But I cannot replace it. When I copy over
> it, I keep getting the old copy in windows/system32/driver. What is
> the right way to replace the usbstor.sys ? Thank...
>
> On Mar 21, 6:05 pm, flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>My USBStor.sys is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. What is the
>>latest ? If outdated, where I can download the newer one ? Can't
>>find it on Microsoft website.
>>
>>On Mar 18, 12:06 am, flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My USB Mass Storage Device is dated 11/14/1999 version 5.0.2183.1. Is
>>>this outdated ?
>
You don't need to update it. Win2k provides all the generic drivers for
your device.

Frank
Sat Mar 22 12:14:06 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> My USB is 2.0 and my drive is also USB 2.0.
> I don't see a "Storage Volume", is it because I'm using Win2000 ?
> The drive is correctly sized.
>
No. I have Win2k. How does Device Manager describe your device? Does it
tell you the manufacturer, whether the device has been digitally signed?
The best way to tell is unplug your device, look at DM, then plug in the
drive, and see what extra device description is seen. Mine shows up as
'Storage Volume' with 'Generic Volume' sub-categorised. It's within that
category that DM gives the full description of the device with a correct
description of driver provider (in my case Microsoft). It's also seen
under the 'Disk Drive' heading with a correct description of the
manufacturer.

You should not need to download any extra drivers for the device. Win2k
SP4 own generic drivers should suffice.

flahmeshess
Mon Mar 24 06:00:29 PDT 2008

Device Type: Storage Volumes
Manufacturer: Microsoft
Location: Volume Manager

Driver Provider: Microsoft
Driver Date: 11/14/1999
Driver Version: 5.0.2183.1
Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows 2000 Publisher

There are 3 buttons. The Driver Details is blanks out. So I cannot
click on it. I can click on Uninstall & Update Driver.

How the above ? Any problems ?

On Mar 23, 3:14 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> No. I have Win2k. How does Device Manager describe your device? Does it
> tell you the manufacturer, whether the device has been digitally signed?
> The best way to tell is unplug your device, look at DM, then plug in the
> drive, and see what extra device description is seen. Mine shows up as
> 'Storage Volume' with 'Generic Volume' sub-categorised. It's within that
> category that DM gives the full description of the device with a correct
> description of driver provider (in my case Microsoft). It's also seen
> under the 'Disk Drive' heading with a correct description of the
> manufacturer.
>
> You should not need to download any extra drivers for the device. Win2k
> SP4 own generic drivers should suffice.

Frank
Mon Mar 24 15:06:31 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> Device Type: Storage Volumes
> Manufacturer: Microsoft
> Location: Volume Manager
>
> Driver Provider: Microsoft
> Driver Date: 11/14/1999
> Driver Version: 5.0.2183.1
> Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows 2000 Publisher
>
> There are 3 buttons. The Driver Details is blanks out. So I cannot
> click on it. I can click on Uninstall & Update Driver.
>
> How the above ? Any problems ?
>
> On Mar 23, 3:14 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
The driver details are blanked out which tells you that extra drivers
are not needed. The Location should have given you the manufacturer of
the disk. I'm a little suspicious that all you have is 'Volume Manager'.
What details are you shown in DM under Disk drives, when you click on
the drive, and are the manufacturers shown for your all HDDs? Is USB
device shown as 'working properly'? Have you checked 'Properties' (click
My Computer/Drive letter for USB drive)? Is the correct disk capacity
correct?

flahmeshess
Mon Mar 24 18:50:36 PDT 2008

Hi Frank
I just checked my office machine. It also says "Volume Manager". I
tried copying to USB but I didn't have this problem. I will go back
and check the PC for the other questions you raised. Thanks.

Frank Booth Snr wrote:

> flahmeshess wrote:
> > Device Type: Storage Volumes
> > Manufacturer: Microsoft
> > Location: Volume Manager
> >
> > Driver Provider: Microsoft
> > Driver Date: 11/14/1999
> > Driver Version: 5.0.2183.1
> > Digital Signer: Microsoft Windows 2000 Publisher
> >
> > There are 3 buttons. The Driver Details is blanks out. So I cannot
> > click on it. I can click on Uninstall & Update Driver.
> >
> > How the above ? Any problems ?
> >
> > On Mar 23, 3:14 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> The driver details are blanked out which tells you that extra drivers
> are not needed. The Location should have given you the manufacturer of
> the disk. I'm a little suspicious that all you have is 'Volume Manager'.
> What details are you shown in DM under Disk drives, when you click on
> the drive, and are the manufacturers shown for your all HDDs? Is USB
> device shown as 'working properly'? Have you checked 'Properties' (click
> My Computer/Drive letter for USB drive)? Is the correct disk capacity
> correct?

flahmeshess
Tue Mar 25 08:30:00 PDT 2008

Dear Frank

Under DM - Disk Drives, I have 3 drives:

- Samsung HM250JI USB Device
- WDC xxxxxx (my internal drive)
- WDC xxxxxx

When I click on my Samsung drive, I have:

Device type: Disk drives
Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
Location: 0

When I click on my WDC drives, I have

Device type: Disk drives
Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
Location: 0 (0)

In Computer Management - Disk Management,

The capacity is 232.88 GB. It's a 250GB USB Drive.

Any problem with the above ?


On Mar 25, 6:07 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> The driver details are blanked out which tells you that extra drivers
> are not needed. The Location should have given you the manufacturer of
> the disk. I'm a little suspicious that all you have is 'Volume Manager'.
> What details are you shown in DM under Disk drives, when you click on
> the drive, and are the manufacturers shown for your all HDDs? Is USB
> device shown as 'working properly'? Have you checked 'Properties' (click
> My Computer/Drive letter for USB drive)? Is the correct disk capacity
> correct?

jziegler
Wed Mar 26 07:29:18 PDT 2008

On Mar 25, 10:30=A0am, flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Frank
>
> Under DM - Disk Drives, I have 3 drives:
>
> - Samsung HM250JI USB Device
> - WDC xxxxxx (my internal drive)
> - WDC xxxxxx
>
> When I click on my Samsung drive, I have:
>
> Device type: =A0 =A0Disk drives
> Manufacturer: =A0 (Standard disk drives)
> Location: =A0 =A0 =A0 0
>
> When I click on my WDC drives, I have
>
> Device type: =A0 =A0Disk drives
> Manufacturer: =A0 (Standard disk drives)
> Location: =A0 =A0 =A0 0 (0)
>
> In Computer Management - Disk Management,
>
> The capacity is 232.88 GB. =A0It's a 250GB USB Drive.
>
> Any problem with the above ?
>
> On Mar 25, 6:07 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The driver details are blanked out which tells you that extra drivers
> > are not needed. The Location should have given you the manufacturer of
> > the disk. I'm a little suspicious that all you have is 'Volume Manager'.=

> > What details are you shown in DM under Disk drives, when you click on
> > the drive, and are the manufacturers shown for your all HDDs? Is USB
> > device shown as 'working properly'? Have you checked 'Properties' (click=

> > My Computer/Drive letter for USB drive)? Is the correct disk capacity
> > correct?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I am experiencing the same problem. Win2k, SP4, External USB enclosure
w/ 400Gb HD. As part of my backup strategy, I copy 6 or 8 4Gb+ files
per night. After about a week, the USB drive hangs with the red light
on, and I can't bring up My Computer or Windows Explorer. I can't even
reboot. The whole system just hangs when it needs to access any of the
drives. If I turn off the USB drive, I get the same errors you
referenced, and I can then get to my other drives and reboot.

I have no problem backing up the files on the USB drive to tape.
Reading the files appears to be no problem. It only hangs during the
creation of the files.

In the properties of the USB Mass Storage Device line in Device
Manager, my drive shows as Location 0 (Cypress AT2LP RC42) and is
working properly

Under the Disk Drives section of DM, it shows as ST340063 3A USB
Device, and again is working properly.

In the Logical Drives section of the Computer Management screen, it
appears with the correct size.

Let me know if you find a resolution to this issue, or if there's any
other information I can provide to you that may help.

Joel

Frank
Thu Mar 27 13:53:04 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> Dear Frank
>
> Under DM - Disk Drives, I have 3 drives:
>
> - Samsung HM250JI USB Device
> - WDC xxxxxx (my internal drive)
> - WDC xxxxxx

So Win2k is correctly identifying your USB drive?

> When I click on my Samsung drive, I have:
>
> Device type: Disk drives
> Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
> L.ocation: 0

That's normal.

> When I click on my WDC drives, I have
>
> Device type: Disk drives
> Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
> Location: 0 (0)
>
> In Computer Management - Disk Management,
>
> The capacity is 232.88 GB. It's a 250GB USB Drive.
>
> Any problem with the above ?
>
Not that I can see from what you've said. The key seems to lie in the
fact that you initially reported you could transfer without a problem
with Win2k SP2, but not SP4. Clearly then it cannot be a hardware
problem with your PC or USB drive, but there must be a flaw with your
upgrading to SP4. Did you include the updates to SP4 particularly Rollup
1 as well as well as the other hotfixes to SP4?

flahmeshess
Thu Mar 27 14:57:09 PDT 2008

Hi Frank
Yes. Win2k is correctly identifying my drive.
I think it's a miscommunication, I did not try this at SP2. So I
don't know whether I had this problem in SP2 or not.

On Mar 28, 4:53 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> flahmeshess wrote:
> > Dear Frank
>
> > Under DM - Disk Drives, I have 3 drives:
>
> > - Samsung HM250JI USB Device
> > - WDC xxxxxx (my internal drive)
> > - WDC xxxxxx
>
> So Win2k is correctly identifying your USB drive?
>
> > When I click on my Samsung drive, I have:
>
> > Device type: Disk drives
> > Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
> > L.ocation: 0
>
> That's normal.
>
> > When I click on my WDC drives, I have
>
> > Device type: Disk drives
> > Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
> > Location: 0 (0)
>
> > In Computer Management - Disk Management,
>
> > The capacity is 232.88 GB. It's a 250GB USB Drive.
>
> > Any problem with the above ?
>
> Not that I can see from what you've said. The key seems to lie in the
> fact that you initially reported you could transfer without a problem
> with Win2k SP2, but not SP4. Clearly then it cannot be a hardware
> problem with your PC or USB drive, but there must be a flaw with your
> upgrading to SP4. Did you include the updates to SP4 particularly Rollup
> 1 as well as well as the other hotfixes to SP4?

flahmeshess
Fri Mar 28 21:48:28 PDT 2008

I beginning to think that the USB is not able to handle the
throughput. If I find ways and means to slow down the copy, then it
will be able to copy more files before hanging or is able to copy all
across.

So I wonder if there is a copy program that can specify the write
buffer and specify a wait time before each write. Just hoping for a
ready made one. Thanks.

On Mar 28, 5:57 am, flahmeshess <dingdongdingd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Frank
> Yes. Win2k is correctly identifying my drive.
> I think it's a miscommunication, I did not try this at SP2. So I
> don't know whether I had this problem in SP2 or not.
>
> On Mar 28, 4:53 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > flahmeshess wrote:
> > > Dear Frank
>
> > > Under DM - Disk Drives, I have 3 drives:
>
> > > - Samsung HM250JI USB Device
> > > - WDC xxxxxx (my internal drive)
> > > - WDC xxxxxx
>
> > So Win2k is correctly identifying your USB drive?
>
> > > When I click on my Samsung drive, I have:
>
> > > Device type: Disk drives
> > > Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
> > > L.ocation: 0
>
> > That's normal.
>
> > > When I click on my WDC drives, I have
>
> > > Device type: Disk drives
> > > Manufacturer: (Standard disk drives)
> > > Location: 0 (0)
>
> > > In Computer Management - Disk Management,
>
> > > The capacity is 232.88 GB. It's a 250GB USB Drive.
>
> > > Any problem with the above ?
>
> > Not that I can see from what you've said. The key seems to lie in the
> > fact that you initially reported you could transfer without a problem
> > with Win2k SP2, but not SP4. Clearly then it cannot be a hardware
> > problem with your PC or USB drive, but there must be a flaw with your
> > upgrading to SP4. Did you include the updates to SP4 particularly Rollup
> > 1 as well as well as the other hotfixes to SP4?

Frank
Sat Mar 29 10:27:53 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> I beginning to think that the USB is not able to handle the
> throughput. If I find ways and means to slow down the copy, then it
> will be able to copy more files before hanging or is able to copy all
> across.
>
> So I wonder if there is a copy program that can specify the write
> buffer and specify a wait time before each write. Just hoping for a
> ready made one. Thanks.
>
"I've done some checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is
fixed in SP2." What do you mean by this, then?

"Then I went to the device manager and changed all the USB drivers to
Intel." How? You can't do anything like that trhrough DM. Windows 2000
provides its own drivers to run USB when you either install or upgrade
it. Intel only provides the chipset drivers so that all hardware, buses
controller devices in your PC can communicate with it. Ideally chipset
drivers (the correct one) should be the first thing to install after the
operating system.

You didn't say whether you had all the updates to SP4 including Rollup
1. Assuming that you have, all I can suggest is that it's possible there
is a resources conflict. Have you tried using any alternative USB port?
What is the motherboard in your PC? Can you copy any files and if so
what is the maximum size before failure?

Frank
Sat Mar 29 11:19:51 PDT 2008

Frank Booth Snr wrote:

> flahmeshess wrote:
>
>> I beginning to think that the USB is not able to handle the
>> throughput. If I find ways and means to slow down the copy, then it
>> will be able to copy more files before hanging or is able to copy all
>> across.
>>
>> So I wonder if there is a copy program that can specify the write
>> buffer and specify a wait time before each write. Just hoping for a
>> ready made one. Thanks.
>>
> "I've done some checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is
> fixed in SP2." What do you mean by this, then?
>
> "Then I went to the device manager and changed all the USB drivers to
> Intel." How? You can't do anything like that trhrough DM. Windows 2000
> provides its own drivers to run USB when you either install or upgrade
> it. Intel only provides the chipset drivers so that all hardware, buses
> controller devices in your PC can communicate with it. Ideally chipset
> drivers (the correct one) should be the first thing to install after the
> operating system.
>
> You didn't say whether you had all the updates to SP4 including Rollup
> 1. Assuming that you have, all I can suggest is that it's possible there
> is a resources conflict. Have you tried using any alternative USB port?
> What is the motherboard in your PC? Can you copy any files and if so
> what is the maximum size before failure?

I also should ask as you say the Samsung is self-powered, what is its
power requirement? See spec or manual.

flahmeshess
Sun Mar 30 07:59:05 PDT 2008

My machine has the latest fixpack. When I do a update at Microsoft
website, there is nothing to update.
I installed the software for chipset. Sorry about it. I didn't
understand the different then.
I've tried the different USB ports and the same problem occurred.
Motherboard is Asus P5BE-Plus.

There is not fixed size. But I found the problem when the files are
large, ie > 500-600MB.

On Mar 30, 1:28 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "I've done some checking and found there is a problem with Win2k that is
> fixed in SP2." What do you mean by this, then?
>
> "Then I went to the device manager and changed all the USB drivers to
> Intel." How? You can't do anything like that trhrough DM. Windows 2000
> provides its own drivers to run USB when you either install or upgrade
> it. Intel only provides the chipset drivers so that all hardware, buses
> controller devices in your PC can communicate with it. Ideally chipset
> drivers (the correct one) should be the first thing to install after the
> operating system.
>
> You didn't say whether you had all the updates to SP4 including Rollup
> 1. Assuming that you have, all I can suggest is that it's possible there
> is a resources conflict. Have you tried using any alternative USB port?
> What is the motherboard in your PC? Can you copy any files and if so
> what is the maximum size before failure?

flahmeshess
Sun Mar 30 08:01:18 PDT 2008

5.5V, 800mA

On Mar 30, 2:20 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> I also should ask as you say the Samsung is self-powered, what is its
> power requirement? See spec or manual.

Frank
Sun Mar 30 09:58:23 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> 5.5V, 800mA
>
> On Mar 30, 2:20 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I also should ask as you say the Samsung is self-powered, what is its
>>power requirement? See spec or manual.
>
>
I've looked up your Samsung model and I see it's a SATA drive, not a USB
drive. So I'm confused. I can only assume that you are using a caddy
with USB connectors to use it as external drive. Please confirm.

Secondly all motherboards have a USB hub 500mA output current. I haven't
checked the spec yet for your mobo, but I would assume it's the same as
this is standardised. If that's the case I suggest there is not enough
current alone from the USB port on your PC to power your Samsung. That
is why some USB external drives are self-powered rather than rely alone
on the current from the PC hub.

flahmeshess
Mon Mar 31 07:14:49 PDT 2008

The HDD is a SATA drive enclosed in a casing with a USB connection to
the PC. The Connection is a Y connector which is able to draw power
from 2 USB output.

On Mar 31, 12:59 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> flahmeshess wrote:
> > 5.5V, 800mA
>
> > On Mar 30, 2:20 am, Frank Booth Snr <fb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>I also should ask as you say the Samsung is self-powered, what is its
> >>power requirement? See spec or manual.
>
> I've looked up your Samsung model and I see it's a SATA drive, not a USB
> drive. So I'm confused. I can only assume that you are using a caddy
> with USB connectors to use it as external drive. Please confirm.
>
> Secondly all motherboards have a USB hub 500mA output current. I haven't
> checked the spec yet for your mobo, but I would assume it's the same as
> this is standardised. If that's the case I suggest there is not enough
> current alone from the USB port on your PC to power your Samsung. That
> is why some USB external drives are self-powered rather than rely alone
> on the current from the PC hub.

Sid
Mon Mar 31 09:03:00 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> The HDD is a SATA drive enclosed in a casing with a USB connection to
> the PC. The Connection is a Y connector which is able to draw power
> from 2 USB output.

I've been following this thread with interest although having nothing
much to add. However, a couple of peripheral observations:

- I've run a number of IDE-based USB drives. The only ones I've run
self-powered (from the USB connection) have been those containing small,
low-power laptop drives. All those containing full-size drives came with
an external power supply and recommended against using the USB bus for
power. I haven't experienced this problem with any of these.

- I recently came into possession of a (full-size) 250 GB SATA HD. Since
all my systems are IDE I bought a USB box to use this drive (again,
externally powered). It was singularly unsuccessful ... I was never even
able to completely format the drive no matter how I partitioned it.
Given my good experience of numerous IDE-USB setups, I formed a bad
opinion of SATA-USB (perhaps unfairly given the sample size - one).

Frank
Mon Mar 31 11:34:49 PDT 2008

flahmeshess wrote:
> The HDD is a SATA drive enclosed in a casing with a USB connection to
> the PC. The Connection is a Y connector which is able to draw power
> from 2 USB output.
>
I've not personally used this type of arrangement with USB drives, but
it sounds like it's not able to draw enough power from the USB hubs,
which is why it suddenly stops during transfer. I think there lies your
problem. Just to be quite certain the drive works fine with your PC,
remove it from the caddy, open up your PC and connect it to the SATA
controller. Then try transferring your big files over to it. That should
work fine.

The only way I'd use an external USB HDD is to buy one built for the
purpose with external power supply, not an IDE or SATA enclosed in a
caddy, that uses a USB hub for power although as someone has said it's
the SATAs that tend to be more unreliable when used in this way.