Hi, i was under the impression Microsoft doesn't send out emails, so was
surprised to see this email supposidly from Microsoft. I haven't opened the
attachment, so is it a genuine email or not.

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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Vanguard

Vanguard
Thu Aug 16 22:01:54 CDT 2007

"the cause" <thecause@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7041CAA9-4287-4B66-8089-EB9D91F80C91@microsoft.com...
> Hi, i was under the impression Microsoft doesn't send out emails, so
> was
> surprised to see this email supposidly from Microsoft. I haven't
> opened the
> attachment, so is it a genuine email or not.


No one but you knows for sure since you chose not to include the
headers.

Did you subscribe to any of Microsoft's newsletters? If you have a
Hotmail account, did you check your account to ensure you aren't
subscribed to any newsletters? And, if you have a Hotmail account,
read the TOS which says Microsoft can deliver any e-mails they want
into your Inbox regardless of spam filtering and any rules you have
configured.


Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Steve

Steve
Thu Aug 16 23:24:25 CDT 2007

Yes, we send emails for various things people subscribe to.

What we *don't* do is send attachments. This is completely against our
policy. If you ever receive an email that looks like it came from us and it
has an attachment, send the entire email (as an attachment) to
secure@microsoft.com and then delete it.

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http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com


"the cause" <thecause@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi, i was under the impression Microsoft doesn't send out emails, so was
> surprised to see this email supposidly from Microsoft. I haven't opened
> the
> attachment, so is it a genuine email or not.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> To:
> Subject: Free Microsoft Architect Forums - Register today
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:40:04 -0700
>
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> the latest news and technological developments to make sure your work
> remains
> at the cutting edge. By attending a free Microsoft Architect Forum you'll
> learn how to get the most from your architecture and gain information to
> aid
> your architectural decisions.
>
> The Architect Forum series gives you free access to one-day events
> providing
> an expert overview of a specific topic as well as fantastic networking
> opportunities.
>
> To register for one of these events, follow the relevant link below:
>
> Office Business Applications Architect Forum - 13 September 2007, London
> Office Business Applications are an emerging class of application that
> helps
> businesses unlock the value of their line-of-business (LOB) systems and
> turn
> document-based processes into real applications. Office 2007 has expanded
> off
> the desktop embracing the concepts of SOA and leverage the fundamental
> shift
> to combining software plus services. In this forum we will discuss the
> architectural elements of the Office Technical Platform and discover how
> these elements can be applied across several business scenarios.
>
> Windows Server Security Architect Forum - 11 December 2007, Reading
> Security, alongside reliability and interoperability, is central to
> Microsoft's software design philosophy. Yet it is still an area where
> Microsoft is perceived to underachieve. However, security is a very broad
> term that can be used to describe a great many number of IT scenarios. In
> this forum we will discuss the central role of security in the
> architecture
> of Windows Server 2008 (codename Longhorn) in relation to Systems
> Management
> scenarios such as web and application management, high availability, and
> server virtualisation.
>
> The Services Revolution Architect Forum - 19 February 2008, Reading
> The first Internet-based services were delivered over the Web and consumed
> in a Web browser. However, it is now clear that market demand exists for
> both
> on-premise software and hosted services; and that such an approach is
> necessary to deliver the seamless computing experiences home and business
> users have come to expect. This approach, which Microsoft calls 'Software
> +
> Services', is an additive model that goes beyond packaged software to give
> customers increased flexibility and choice in deployment options. In this
> forum we will explain the evolving story of the Software + Services world,
> highlight the latest developments at Microsoft and in industry, and focus
> on
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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by HEMI-Powered

HEMI-Powered
Fri Aug 17 07:21:20 CDT 2007

=?Utf-8?B?dGhlIGNhdXNl?= added these comments in the current
discussion du jour ...

> Hi, i was under the impression Microsoft doesn't send out
> emails, so was surprised to see this email supposidly from
> Microsoft. I haven't opened the attachment, so is it a
> genuine email or not.

MS NEVER sends personal E-mails, but many bad guys create a
message that is so much what theirs might look like that they
snare a fair number of gullible people. Beware of an E-mail
warning you that your system is at risk and never click "OK" if
you get a pop-up saying "Microsoft has detected a risk, click OK
to fix." OK here means "I give you approval to trash my system."

> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------- From: Microsoft@newsletters.microsoft.com
> To:
> Subject: Free Microsoft Architect Forums - Register today
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:40:04 -0700
>
> Legal information | Unsubscribe | Update your profile
>
> As a practising or aspiring architect, it's vital to keep up
> to date with the latest news and technological developments to
> make sure your work remains at the cutting edge. By attending
> a free Microsoft Architect Forum you'll learn how to get the
> most from your architecture and gain information to aid your
> architectural decisions.
>
> The Architect Forum series gives you free access to one-day
> events providing an expert overview of a specific topic as
> well as fantastic networking opportunities.
>
> To register for one of these events, follow the relevant link
> below:
>
> Office Business Applications Architect Forum - 13 September
> 2007, London Office Business Applications are an emerging
> class of application that helps businesses unlock the value of
> their line-of-business (LOB) systems and turn document-based
> processes into real applications. Office 2007 has expanded off
> the desktop embracing the concepts of SOA and leverage the
> fundamental shift to combining software plus services. In this
> forum we will discuss the architectural elements of the Office
> Technical Platform and discover how these elements can be
> applied across several business scenarios.
>
> Windows Server Security Architect Forum - 11 December 2007,
> Reading Security, alongside reliability and interoperability,
> is central to Microsoft's software design philosophy. Yet it
> is still an area where Microsoft is perceived to underachieve.
> However, security is a very broad term that can be used to
> describe a great many number of IT scenarios. In this forum we
> will discuss the central role of security in the architecture
> of Windows Server 2008 (codename Longhorn) in relation to
> Systems Management scenarios such as web and application
> management, high availability, and server virtualisation.
>
> The Services Revolution Architect Forum - 19 February 2008,
> Reading The first Internet-based services were delivered over
> the Web and consumed in a Web browser. However, it is now
> clear that market demand exists for both on-premise software
> and hosted services; and that such an approach is necessary to
> deliver the seamless computing experiences home and business
> users have come to expect. This approach, which Microsoft
> calls 'Software + Services', is an additive model that goes
> beyond packaged software to give customers increased
> flexibility and choice in deployment options. In this forum we
> will explain the evolving story of the Software + Services
> world, highlight the latest developments at Microsoft and in
> industry, and focus on the effect this is having on both
> consumer and enterprise architectures alike.
>
>
> To cancel future communications from Microsoft about products
> and services, reply to this message with the word unsubscribe
> in the Subject line.

NEVER ever reply! Often, your E-mail was constructed along with
many others from a similar style or base and the bad guy sending
the mail really doesn't know which are valid and which are not.
When you reply, YOU validate your E-mail for them. There
seldom/never is a follow-up E-mail anyway, and of course, there's
no way of telling what the real intent is for wanting your E-
mail, but one is to use YOU as the identity in future
spoof/phishing attacks.

This will not affect any Microsoft
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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by HEMI-Powered

HEMI-Powered
Fri Aug 17 07:26:21 CDT 2007

Steve Riley [MSFT] added these comments in the current
discussion du jour ...

> Yes, we send emails for various things people subscribe to.
>
> What we *don't* do is send attachments. This is completely
> against our policy. If you ever receive an email that looks
> like it came from us and it has an attachment, send the entire
> email (as an attachment) to secure@microsoft.com and then
> delete it.
>
I have never gotten a single E-mail from MS, ever. Not for Windows,
not for office, not for development tools. If there is some service
meant as a newsletter, I've never seen it.

What is MS's rationale and justification to do direct E-mailing,
anyway? Since there is so much spoofing, if the sender of ANY
incoming mail looks even 0.1% suspicious, I mark it as read and
delete it immediately. I not only do not open attachments ever, I
also do not open the mail itself as there may be a reply request
attached that would validate my address to the sender. So, if I
have been getting MS letters from time-to-time, they've long ago
been sent to my trash bin.

If I want something from you people, I find the MS KB to be
invaluable. It has saved my bacon so many times I've lost count,
but THAT is user-driven, not what may look to me like an incoming
dirty nuke missile.

--
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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Bruce

Bruce
Fri Aug 17 12:05:20 CDT 2007

HEMI-Powered wrote:
> Steve Riley [MSFT] added these comments in the current
> discussion du jour ...
>
>> Yes, we send emails for various things people subscribe to.
>>
>> What we *don't* do is send attachments. This is completely
>> against our policy. If you ever receive an email that looks
>> like it came from us and it has an attachment, send the entire
>> email (as an attachment) to secure@microsoft.com and then
>> delete it.
>>
> I have never gotten a single E-mail from MS, ever. Not for Windows,
> not for office, not for development tools. If there is some service
> meant as a newsletter, I've never seen it.
>

There are such newsletters, but they're all by subscription only. At
the most, if, and only if, you subscribe to their security notification
newsletter, they will send you an email informing you that a new patch
is available for downloading.

Microsoft Policies on Software Distribution
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/?url=/technet/security/policy/swdist.asp

Information on Bogus Microsoft Security Bulletin Emails
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/news/patch_hoax.asp

How to Tell If a Microsoft Security-Related Message Is Genuine
http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/authenticate_mail.asp


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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by HEMI-Powered

HEMI-Powered
Fri Aug 17 13:52:11 CDT 2007

Bruce Chambers added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

[no snip so others can follow this]
>>> Yes, we send emails for various things people subscribe to.
>>>
>>> What we *don't* do is send attachments. This is completely
>>> against our policy. If you ever receive an email that looks
>>> like it came from us and it has an attachment, send the
>>> entire email (as an attachment) to secure@microsoft.com and
>>> then delete it.
>>>
>> I have never gotten a single E-mail from MS, ever. Not for
>> Windows, not for office, not for development tools. If there
>> is some service meant as a newsletter, I've never seen it.
>
> There are such newsletters, but they're all by
> subscription only. At
> the most, if, and only if, you subscribe to their security
> notification newsletter, they will send you an email informing
> you that a new patch is available for downloading.

I've never heard that. Thanks muchly for the heads-up, Bruce
Guess we're still friends even after I whacked you some <grin
should be here?>. Do you feel the newsletters are worthwhile? If
yes, please give me a gentle shove in the right direction to
learn more about them. I don't know what I don't know, so have a
tough time trying to get to a description of MS's various kinds
of goods and services. They web site is overwhelming, to say the
least.

> Microsoft Policies on Software Distribution
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/?url=/technet/securit
> y/policy/swdist.asp
>
> Information on Bogus Microsoft Security Bulletin Emails
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/tech
> net/security/news/patch_hoax.asp
>
> How to Tell If a Microsoft Security-Related Message Is Genuine
> http://www.microsoft.com/security/antivirus/authenticate_mail.a
> sp
>
Thanks for these links, also. I can't remember for sure, but I'm
fairly certain I looked at these in some prior debate on this
same basic issue. I would say that it must give the MS executives
major heartburn when people complain thinking it is them that are
sending out malware under what appears to be their banner.

Now, just a quick note to lobby my friends at MS: Guys and gals,
you've done SOME work on increasing security via XP SP2 (not sure
about Vista because I've not investigated, and that's because I'm
not ready to upgrade), but you've simply NOT done enough, as
witnessed by the never ending stream of new holes, not to mention
a basicaly useless firewall. So, if you people want to not only
find a way to save yourself getting a bad rap and a bad rep, why
don't YOU find a way of stopping these spoofs.

Is it possible to do this? Yep. Is it easy to do? Nope. There's a
saying I first heard in Engineering School 40 years ago that
covers things like I describe above: the solution of this problem
is straight-forward but not trivial.

One and all, have a nice day!

--
HP, aka Jerry

Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Bruce

Bruce
Fri Aug 17 14:17:47 CDT 2007

HEMI-Powered wrote:
> Bruce Chambers added these comments in the current discussion du
> jour ...
>

>
> I've never heard that. Thanks muchly for the heads-up, Bruce
> Guess we're still friends .....


Friends? I don't know as I'd go that far, since we've never met. But
there's no reason not to be cordial.


> .... even after I whacked you some <grin
> should be here?>.


I don't recall. Mustn't have been too severe a "whacking." Anyway,
there's no way everyone is always going to agree with everyone else.


> Do you feel the newsletters are worthwhile?


Some are useful. There's a fair variety.


> If
> yes, please give me a gentle shove in the right direction to
> learn more about them. I don't know what I don't know, so have a
> tough time trying to get to a description of MS's various kinds
> of goods and services. They web site is overwhelming, to say the
> least.
>


You can get started here:

Welcome to the Profile Center
https://profile.microsoft.com/RegSysProfileCenter/default.aspx?lcid=1033

They ask for some information, but don't provide more than you're
comfortable with giving. (It wasn't like this when I first subscribed
to the couple I get.)



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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by HEMI-Powered

HEMI-Powered
Sat Aug 18 07:10:34 CDT 2007

Bruce Chambers added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

>> I've never heard that. Thanks muchly for the heads-up, Bruce
>> Guess we're still friends .....
>
> Friends? I don't know as I'd go that far, since we've
> never met. But
> there's no reason not to be cordial.

Just trying to lighten things up, what I meant since you want to
push the point was "have I calmed down enough that we're not
enemies?" And, we just had an exchange in another thread that
shows that we can both be both cordial and professional, as well
as polite.
>
>> .... even after I whacked you some <grin should be here?>.

> I don't recall. Mustn't have been too severe a
> "whacking." Anyway,
> there's no way everyone is always going to agree with everyone
> else.
>
>> Do you feel the newsletters are worthwhile?
>
> Some are useful. There's a fair variety.
>
>> If
>> yes, please give me a gentle shove in the right direction to
>> learn more about them. I don't know what I don't know, so
>> have a tough time trying to get to a description of MS's
>> various kinds of goods and services. They web site is
>> overwhelming, to say the least.
>
> You can get started here:
>
> Welcome to the Profile Center
> https://profile.microsoft.com/RegSysProfileCenter/default.aspx?
> lcid=1033
>
> They ask for some information, but don't provide more
> than you're
> comfortable with giving. (It wasn't like this when I first
> subscribed to the couple I get.)
>
Thanks, Bruce.

--
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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Bruce

Bruce
Sat Aug 18 11:34:42 CDT 2007

HEMI-Powered wrote:
>
>
> Just trying to lighten things up, what I meant since you want to
> push the point was "have I calmed down enough that we're not
> enemies?" And, we just had an exchange in another thread that
> shows that we can both be both cordial and professional, as well
> as polite.


Oh, no problem. I understand you were speaking lightly. I didn't
really intend to seem like I was "pushing the point," but "friend" isn't
a term that I use or apply lightly.


> Thanks, Bruce.
>

You're welcome.


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Re: Email from Microsoft???? by HEMI-Powered

HEMI-Powered
Sat Aug 18 13:38:57 CDT 2007

Bruce Chambers added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

>> Just trying to lighten things up, what I meant since you want
>> to push the point was "have I calmed down enough that we're
>> not enemies?" And, we just had an exchange in another thread
>> that shows that we can both be both cordial and professional,
>> as well as polite.
>
> Oh, no problem. I understand you were speaking lightly.
> I didn't
> really intend to seem like I was "pushing the point," but
> "friend" isn't a term that I use or apply lightly.
>
I know what you meant, Bruce, I really did. I coined the term
"Cyber friend" to mean when I get to know somebody on Usenet
enough that we decide to start private E-mailing, THEN I consider
them at least a prospective friend. Some of mine ARE friends and
we just occasionally E-mail, while a few have progressed to
telephone calls.

I try to use the term "friend" on Usenet NOT to mean bosum
buddies that know all kinds of personal stuff, but other posters
that I get along well with, we support each other, we find each
others posts or picture posts interesting, and we learn from each
other. So, after a brief spat between you and I, I would put you
in that category. Neither of us have even remotely developed
enough interest to go off-line but we both back off from the
precipice of goint to war, flame style.

An interesting OT-point I learned in multiple management training
classes: when talking to others whether they are your
subordinates, associates, or internal customers, ALWAYS at least
maintain self-esteem, and preferably enhane it. But, I do NOT
flatter people, I do not pander to them, and I do not do phony
stuff to try and curry favor. I try to treat people with respect
and would like them to give me the same honor. If that is true,
everything is Okey, Dokey. You agree at all?

--
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Re: was - Email from Microsoft???? - Drifting OT now by Bruce

Bruce
Sat Aug 18 14:47:11 CDT 2007

HEMI-Powered wrote:
>
> I know what you meant, Bruce, I really did. I coined the term
> "Cyber friend" to mean when I get to know somebody on Usenet
> enough that we decide to start private E-mailing, THEN I consider
> them at least a prospective friend. Some of mine ARE friends and
> we just occasionally E-mail, while a few have progressed to
> telephone calls.
>


"Gotcha." Your term "cyber friend" is about equivalent to what I would
call an "acquaintence." One difference, though, is that I use the term
irrespective of on-line or face-to-face encounters.


> I try to use the term "friend" on Usenet NOT to mean bosum
> buddies that know all kinds of personal stuff, but other posters
> that I get along well with, we support each other, we find each
> others posts or picture posts interesting, and we learn from each
> other.


As do most people, probably. The word "friend" has become, to my way
of thinking, rather "devalued" in our society as a whole. It's now
almost universally used to refer to anyone whose first name one knows.
Sadly, the so-called "social" networking sites like MySpace are further
devaluing the word, turning it into a cheap way to score points (as in
who has the most), by applying it to any complete stranger who can click
a link.


> So, after a brief spat between you and I, I would put you
> in that category. Neither of us have even remotely developed
> enough interest to go off-line but we both back off from the
> precipice of goint to war, flame style.
>


True enough, although I still recall any spat. (Not that I'm doubting
you, just getting old and forgetful.) Perhaps I'll try to Google it later.


> An interesting OT-point I learned in multiple management training
> classes: when talking to others whether they are your
> subordinates, associates, or internal customers, ALWAYS at least
> maintain self-esteem, and preferably enhane it.


Not sure I follow this. I've very little trouble maintaining
self-esteem, and I certainly don't let others affect it.


> But, I do NOT
> flatter people, I do not pander to them, and I do not do phony
> stuff to try and curry favor.


No disagreement here, certainly. I'd also add, thought that I do not
"suffer fools gladly," nor do I practice political correctness. If
people can't handle the straight truth, I've no time for them.


> I try to treat people with respect ....


As do I, unless they themselves prove unworthy of it. Then I'll try my
hardest to be "icily civil." ;-}


> .... and would like them to give me the same honor. If that is true,
> everything is Okey, Dokey. You agree at all?
>

Yep. No arguments from me.


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Re: was - Email from Microsoft???? - Drifting OT now by HEMI-Powered

HEMI-Powered
Mon Aug 20 15:09:59 CDT 2007

Bruce Chambers added these comments in the current discussion du
jour ...

>> I know what you meant, Bruce, I really did. I coined the term
>> "Cyber friend" to mean when I get to know somebody on Usenet
>> enough that we decide to start private E-mailing, THEN I
>> consider them at least a prospective friend. Some of mine ARE
>> friends and we just occasionally E-mail, while a few have
>> progressed to telephone calls.
>
> "Gotcha." Your term "cyber friend" is about equivalent
> to what I would
> call an "acquaintence." One difference, though, is that I use
> the term irrespective of on-line or face-to-face encounters.
>
>> I try to use the term "friend" on Usenet NOT to mean bosum
>> buddies that know all kinds of personal stuff, but other
>> posters that I get along well with, we support each other, we
>> find each others posts or picture posts interesting, and we
>> learn from each other.

Bruce, perhaps you and I are closer than it may look like, so why
don't we both just not beat a dead horse any longer and just
continue as "friendly" "acquaintences"?
>
> As do most people, probably. The word "friend" has
> become, to my way
> of thinking, rather "devalued" in our society as a whole.
> It's now almost universally used to refer to anyone whose
> first name one knows. Sadly, the so-called "social" networking
> sites like MySpace are further devaluing the word, turning it
> into a cheap way to score points (as in who has the most), by
> applying it to any complete stranger who can click a link.
>
Yes, sometimes it is actually used in a sarcastic, insulting,
demaning, or disparaging way, which annoys me. When I say "friend",
I mean someone who at least isn't a blood enemy, maybe neutral,
maybe a bit more. But, as you observe, it doesn't really require a
transition to phone conversations or even E-mail to develop friends
or "friends" on Usenet. All it DOES require, IMO, is mutual respect
for each other. I think you and I possess that.

>> So, after a brief spat between you and I, I would put you
>> in that category. Neither of us have even remotely developed
>> enough interest to go off-line but we both back off from the
>> precipice of goint to war, flame style.
>
> True enough, although I still recall any spat. (Not that
> I'm doubting
> you, just getting old and forgetful.) Perhaps I'll try to
> Google it later.

It is said, Bruce, that the memory is the 2nd thing to go and I
can't remember what #1 is! <grin> Don't worry about it. We did
spat, but not majorly. Let's let it go and see how we get on the
>
>> An interesting OT-point I learned in multiple management
>> training classes: when talking to others whether they are
>> your subordinates, associates, or internal customers, ALWAYS
>> at least maintain self-esteem, and preferably enhane it.
>
> Not sure I follow this. I've very little trouble
> maintaining
> self-esteem, and I certainly don't let others affect it.
>
What I meant was that keeping a conversation light and showing the
other guy respect, I can at least (hopefully) avoid pissing them
off but preferably, make them feel better. Just People Skills 101.

We all can recognize people who tear us down by picking at things
we do and/or using desstructive vs. constructive criticism. This
lowers the receivers self-esteem because at least some people get
the idea that the speaker thinks them unworthy as a human being,
which is rarely true yet still perceived.On the other hand, using
praise properly and not getting into flattery or pandering as well
as pointing out possible errors of misconceptions respectfully
allows the other person to back away from a potentially contentious
situation and still save face. That is an enhancement of self-
esteem. I understand what you said, but we all feel good when we
get an "atta boy" but we feel down when somebody says "only a fool
thinks like that.".

>> But, I do NOT
>> flatter people, I do not pander to them, and I do not do
>> phony stuff to try and curry favor.
>
> No disagreement here, certainly. I'd also add, thought
> that I do not
> "suffer fools gladly," nor do I practice political
> correctness. If people can't handle the straight truth, I've
> no time for them.

I'd add to this the advice of another Cyber friend that is about as
close to a personal friend as I can get without driving to
Cincinnatti to meet him: "never try to reason with a fool". NO, I'm
NOT saying that about you, I'm talking about the hard cases,
trolls, and master-baiters you find around Usenet.
>
>> I try to treat people with respect ....
>
> As do I, unless they themselves prove unworthy of it.
> Then I'll try my
> hardest to be "icily civil." ;-}

Yes, you do. The key is MUTUAL respect. In my view, that is a
necessary, but not sufficient prerequisite for any form of real
friendship (without the quotes). If two people do not at least
respect the other's views whether they agree or not, it is hopeless
to try to build a friendship. If self-esteem is OK and respect is
OK, then there is a foundation upon which to build a house of
friendship.
>
>> .... and would like them to give me the same honor. If that
>> is true, everything is Okey, Dokey. You agree at all?
>>
> Yep. No arguments from me.

Great! Thank you, and have a good week!

--
HP, aka Jerry

Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Poprivet

Poprivet
Thu Oct 11 15:13:57 PDT 2007

the cause wrote:
> Hi, i was under the impression Microsoft doesn't send out emails, so
> was surprised to see this email supposidly from Microsoft. I haven't
> opened the attachment, so is it a genuine email or not.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Microsoft@newsletters.microsoft.com
> To:
> Subject: Free Microsoft Architect Forums - Register today
> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:40:04 -0700
>
> Legal information | Unsubscribe | Update your profile
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As a practising or aspiring architect, it's vital to keep up to date
> with the latest news and technological developments to make sure your
> work remains at the cutting edge. By attending a free Microsoft
> Architect Forum you'll learn how to get the most from your
> architecture and gain information to aid your architectural decisions.
>
> The Architect Forum series gives you free access to one-day events
> providing an expert overview of a specific topic as well as fantastic
> networking opportunities.
>
> To register for one of these events, follow the relevant link below:
>
> Office Business Applications Architect Forum - 13 September 2007,
> London Office Business Applications are an emerging class of
> application that helps businesses unlock the value of their
> line-of-business (LOB) systems and turn document-based processes into
> real applications. Office 2007 has expanded off the desktop embracing
> the concepts of SOA and leverage the fundamental shift to combining
> software plus services. In this forum we will discuss the
> architectural elements of the Office Technical Platform and discover
> how these elements can be applied across several business scenarios.
>
> Windows Server Security Architect Forum - 11 December 2007, Reading
> Security, alongside reliability and interoperability, is central to
> Microsoft's software design philosophy. Yet it is still an area where
> Microsoft is perceived to underachieve. However, security is a very
> broad term that can be used to describe a great many number of IT
> scenarios. In this forum we will discuss the central role of security
> in the architecture of Windows Server 2008 (codename Longhorn) in
> relation to Systems Management scenarios such as web and application
> management, high availability, and server virtualisation.
>
> The Services Revolution Architect Forum - 19 February 2008, Reading
> The first Internet-based services were delivered over the Web and
> consumed in a Web browser. However, it is now clear that market
> demand exists for both on-premise software and hosted services; and
> that such an approach is necessary to deliver the seamless computing
> experiences home and business users have come to expect. This
> approach, which Microsoft calls 'Software + Services', is an additive
> model that goes beyond packaged software to give customers increased
> flexibility and choice in deployment options. In this forum we will
> explain the evolving story of the Software + Services world,
> highlight the latest developments at Microsoft and in industry, and
> focus on the effect this is having on both consumer and enterprise
> architectures alike.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
> To cancel future communications from Microsoft about products and
> services, reply to this message with the word unsubscribe in the
> Subject line. This will not affect any Microsoft newsletters that you
> may be subscribed to. You can manage all your Microsoft.com
> communication preferences at the Microsoft.com web site.
>
> Read legal information about this communication.
>
> This communication was sent by Microsoft Limited, Microsoft Campus,
> Thames Valley Park, Reading, RG6 1WG.
> Legal information | Unsubscribe | Update your profile © 2007 Microsoft
> Corporation Terms of Use | Trademarks | Privacy Statement

1. It's purportedly a newsletter: DID you sign up to receive a newsletter?

2. If not, it's a spam and probably out to steal information at a minimum.

go to the MS site where you signed up YOURSELF, if you doubt the email you
received; do NOT use any link in the e-mail!

One thing that IS strange: I havent' yet seen MS send out newsletters as
attachments; that's a red flag to me that it's spam.

Further, here's what DNSSTUFF.com says about that web address:
No match for domain "NEWSLETTERS.MICROSOFT.COM".

Pop`



Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Poprivet

Poprivet
Thu Oct 11 15:16:58 PDT 2007

What's this "us" stuff lately? Are you an employee? If so, what is your
title and where are you located? Nice to see a real MS'er in here!

Regards,

Pop`


Steve Riley [MSFT] wrote:
> Yes, we send emails for various things people subscribe to.
>
> What we *don't* do is send attachments. This is completely against our
> policy. If you ever receive an email that looks like it came from us
> and it has an attachment, send the entire email (as an attachment) to
> secure@microsoft.com and then delete it.
>
>
> "the cause" <thecause@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7041CAA9-4287-4B66-8089-EB9D91F80C91@microsoft.com...
>> Hi, i was under the impression Microsoft doesn't send out emails, so
>> was surprised to see this email supposidly from Microsoft. I
>> haven't opened the
>> attachment, so is it a genuine email or not.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: Microsoft@newsletters.microsoft.com
>> To:
>> Subject: Free Microsoft Architect Forums - Register today
>> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:40:04 -0700
>>
>> Legal information | Unsubscribe | Update your profile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> As a practising or aspiring architect, it's vital to keep up to date
>> with the latest news and technological developments to make sure
>> your work remains
>> at the cutting edge. By attending a free Microsoft Architect Forum
>> you'll learn how to get the most from your architecture and gain
>> information to aid
>> your architectural decisions.
>>
>> The Architect Forum series gives you free access to one-day events
>> providing
>> an expert overview of a specific topic as well as fantastic
>> networking opportunities.
>>
>> To register for one of these events, follow the relevant link below:
>>
>> Office Business Applications Architect Forum - 13 September 2007,
>> London Office Business Applications are an emerging class of
>> application that helps
>> businesses unlock the value of their line-of-business (LOB) systems
>> and turn
>> document-based processes into real applications. Office 2007 has
>> expanded off
>> the desktop embracing the concepts of SOA and leverage the
>> fundamental shift
>> to combining software plus services. In this forum we will discuss
>> the architectural elements of the Office Technical Platform and
>> discover how these elements can be applied across several business
>> scenarios. Windows Server Security Architect Forum - 11 December 2007,
>> Reading
>> Security, alongside reliability and interoperability, is central to
>> Microsoft's software design philosophy. Yet it is still an area where
>> Microsoft is perceived to underachieve. However, security is a very
>> broad term that can be used to describe a great many number of IT
>> scenarios. In this forum we will discuss the central role of
>> security in the architecture
>> of Windows Server 2008 (codename Longhorn) in relation to Systems
>> Management
>> scenarios such as web and application management, high availability,
>> and server virtualisation.
>>
>> The Services Revolution Architect Forum - 19 February 2008, Reading
>> The first Internet-based services were delivered over the Web and
>> consumed in a Web browser. However, it is now clear that market
>> demand exists for both
>> on-premise software and hosted services; and that such an approach is
>> necessary to deliver the seamless computing experiences home and
>> business users have come to expect. This approach, which Microsoft
>> calls 'Software +
>> Services', is an additive model that goes beyond packaged software
>> to give customers increased flexibility and choice in deployment
>> options. In this forum we will explain the evolving story of the
>> Software + Services world, highlight the latest developments at
>> Microsoft and in industry, and focus on
>> the effect this is having on both consumer and enterprise
>> architectures alike.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To cancel future communications from Microsoft about products and
>> services,
>> reply to this message with the word unsubscribe in the Subject line.
>> This will not affect any Microsoft newsletters that you may be
>> subscribed to. You
>> can manage all your Microsoft.com communication preferences at the
>> Microsoft.com web site.
>>
>> Read legal information about this communication.
>>
>> This communication was sent by Microsoft Limited, Microsoft Campus,
>> Thames Valley Park, Reading, RG6 1WG.
>> Legal information | Unsubscribe | Update your profile © 2007
>> Microsoft Corporation Terms of Use | Trademarks | Privacy Statement




Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Poprivet

Poprivet
Thu Oct 11 15:21:45 PDT 2007

HEMI-Powered wrote:
> Steve Riley [MSFT] added these comments in the current
> discussion du jour ...
>
>> Yes, we send emails for various things people subscribe to.
>>
>> What we *don't* do is send attachments. This is completely
>> against our policy. If you ever receive an email that looks
>> like it came from us and it has an attachment, send the entire
>> email (as an attachment) to secure@microsoft.com and then
>> delete it.
>>
> I have never gotten a single E-mail from MS, ever. Not for Windows,
> not for office, not for development tools. If there is some service
> meant as a newsletter, I've never seen it.

...

They DO send out newsletters, IFF you have properly signed up and subscribed
for them. To my knowledge though, they do NOT ever send unsolicited e-mails
and never with attachments as previously mentioned already.
I asked for, and receive, update notifications from them, just as a sort
of precaution: No notice, or if the notice doesn't agree with the contents
of the dowload that wants to come in, I won't download any updates that
claim to be ready.
I've never seen their update services abused, but ... there's always a
first time<g>.

Regards,

Pop`



Re: Email from Microsoft???? by Steve

Steve
Thu Oct 11 19:31:44 PDT 2007

Yep, I'm an employee. I'm a security strategist in the Trustworthy Computing
group, located in Redmond. Formerly, I was in the security and the
telecommunications practices of Microsoft Consulting Services. Currently, I
spend my time traveling the world, speaking at conferences and events
(including several TechEds each year) about security. Below is my email, my
blog, and my book (co-authored with Jesper Johansson).

--
Steve Riley
steve.riley@microsoft.com
http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com


"Poprivet" <poprivet@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:urutmQFDIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> What's this "us" stuff lately? Are you an employee? If so, what is your
> title and where are you located? Nice to see a real MS'er in here!
>
> Regards,
>
> Pop`
>
>
> Steve Riley [MSFT] wrote:
>> Yes, we send emails for various things people subscribe to.
>>
>> What we *don't* do is send attachments. This is completely against our
>> policy. If you ever receive an email that looks like it came from us
>> and it has an attachment, send the entire email (as an attachment) to
>> secure@microsoft.com and then delete it.