JDiskReport Strange Results

Hi Jim, Js and Nepatsfan

I ran a scan with JDiskReport and it showed the 16GB that I knew about.

Windows explorer and properties show 103 being used

I have put a screenshot of the two reports at
http://www.pipebendersinc.com/size.jpg (cannot attach here)


Still Stuck. Looks like window is confused. Any way to have it go and look
up each file in the directory and check the locations etc. I was hoping
scandisk or defrag would figure that out but they didn't

Tom

JS
Wed Aug 20 16:10:33 PDT 2008

Take a look at CCleaner as a tool to indentify unwanted junk file,
Internet history info, cookies, temp files, auto complete and crap.
It may or may not in your case narrow down what the disk space
issue is but it's worth a try.
http://www.ccleaner.com/

Note that when CCleaner is first installed most if not all the options
are checked which is far too aggressive. So I recommend unchecking
all the items listed in 'Applications' tab and in the 'Windows' tab
selectively place a check mark for only those options that are of some
value in identifying and or increasing the amount of free space on your PC.

The 'Analyze' button allows you preview (without actually deleting)
what and how much hard drive space you will get back.

Also available is customization, see Options/Custom to add any
other/additional folders you want files deleted from.


JS
www.pagestart.com


"Chegu Tom" <noemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23QYIx5wAJHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jim, Js and Nepatsfan
>
> I ran a scan with JDiskReport and it showed the 16GB that I knew about.
>
> Windows explorer and properties show 103 being used
>
> I have put a screenshot of the two reports at
> http://www.pipebendersinc.com/size.jpg (cannot attach here)
>
>
> Still Stuck. Looks like window is confused. Any way to have it go and
> look
> up each file in the directory and check the locations etc. I was hoping
> scandisk or defrag would figure that out but they didn't
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>

Gerry
Wed Aug 20 16:29:11 PDT 2008

The figures for used disk space are usually found on investigation to
understate what is used, although there is at least one factor I know of
that goes the other way.

Windows Explorer records the sum of the files sizes, whereas the size on
disk for some files may be less. The difference is caused where file
system is NTFS and file compression has been applied. Compressed files
are displayed in Windows Explorer in a blue font. Files not compressed
display in a black font. In the Windows Directory of your C partition
you will have some Uninstall folders in your Windows folder typically:
$NtServicePackUninstall$ and NtUninstallKB282010$ etc and these in total
can produce a noticeable discrepancy in the figure to be included in any
reconcilaion.

The way to see most hidden files is to go to Start, Control Panel,
Folder Options, View, Advanced Settings and verify that the box before
"Show hidden files and folders" is checked and "Hide protected operating
system files " is unchecked. You may need to scroll down to see the
second item. You should also make certain that the box before "Hide
extensions for known file types" is not checked.

Notwithstanding there remain some files which remain hidden. You still
will not see the System Volume Information folder.
How to Gain Access to the System Volume Information Folder
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;309531

The contents of the System Volume Information Folder can also be
compressed to produce the same discrepancy mentioned earlier between
file size and size on disk..

Other files not visible include hiberfil.sys, Norton Protected Storage
and Rollback files.

One way sometimes to discover the existence of larger hidden files is
that they can be revealed in the Most Fragmented Files list in a Disk
Defragmenter Report. Of course the files need to be fragmented to be
seen but those of significant size usually are if the disk needs to be
defragmented. Sometimes these files can be so large there is not
sufficient contiguous free space to be able to totally defragment them.

I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report from Pat's
computer. Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View
Report and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk
Defragmenter as it is more informative.

If you unexpected lose a lot of disk space it can be the result of not
stopping logging , although these files are normally visible.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chegu Tom wrote:
> Hi Jim, Js and Nepatsfan
>
> I ran a scan with JDiskReport and it showed the 16GB that I knew
> about.
> Windows explorer and properties show 103 being used
>
> I have put a screenshot of the two reports at
> http://www.pipebendersinc.com/size.jpg (cannot attach here)
>
>
> Still Stuck. Looks like window is confused. Any way to have it go
> and look up each file in the directory and check the locations etc. I
> was hoping scandisk or defrag would figure that out but they didn't
>
> Tom

Nepatsfan
Wed Aug 20 16:30:10 PDT 2008

"Chegu Tom" <noemail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%23QYIx5wAJHA.1628@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi Jim, Js and Nepatsfan
>
> I ran a scan with JDiskReport and it showed the 16GB that I knew about.
>
> Windows explorer and properties show 103 being used
>
> I have put a screenshot of the two reports at
> http://www.pipebendersinc.com/size.jpg (cannot attach here)
>
>
> Still Stuck. Looks like window is confused. Any way to have it go and look
> up each file in the directory and check the locations etc. I was hoping
> scandisk or defrag would figure that out but they didn't
>
> Tom
>

Just out of curiosity, does your Lenovo have the Rescue and Recovery feature?
Have you used it to create complete backups of your system? If so, that could
account for some of the missing hard drive space.

Also, have you run chkdsk C: on your computer? If so, look in Event Viewer
(Start -> Run -> eventvwr.msc) under the Application branch for an entry with a
source of Winlogon. This should show you the results.

As for other ideas, you might want to create a Linux live CD, boot your computer
from the CD, and see if you can view the entire contents of your C drive. From
the screenshot you posted it looks like Windows and any program running under it
isn't seeing the entire contents of your hard drive.

Here are a couple of web sites with more info on Linux live CDs.

Downloading the LiveCD
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD

Knoppix
http://www.knoppix.org/

Good luck

Nepatsfan

Twayne
Thu Aug 21 16:27:04 PDT 2008

> Hi Jim, Js and Nepatsfan
>
> I ran a scan with JDiskReport and it showed the 16GB that I knew
> about.
> Windows explorer and properties show 103 being used
>
> I have put a screenshot of the two reports at
> http://www.pipebendersinc.com/size.jpg (cannot attach here)
>
>
> Still Stuck. Looks like window is confused. Any way to have it go
> and look up each file in the directory and check the locations etc. I
> was hoping scandisk or defrag would figure that out but they didn't
>
> Tom


The URL you posted is coming up 404 not found for me right now, so I
can't get a look at it.


Have you accounted for:

Restore Points? Stored in the normally hidden System Volume
INformation, I believe.
PageFile reservation?
Differences between measurement methods? e.g. MB, Mb, 1000 vs 1024,
etc.? The latter can really add up to some large differences with large
drives if the programs you use don't use the same counting methodology.

Many programs reserve as yet unoccupied disk space for their own
explicit use which is usually not accounted for in space calculations.
There are too many of them to guess at and you gave no idea what's on
your system. Many of the reservations are in the order of 10% to 15% of
the hard disk capacity so they can add up fast, too.
If the gap is 16 vs 103 though, I think I'd take a look at the "b" vs
"B" situation. "b" is bits, "B" is bytes. Beware mixing the two up.

Almost all the time such discrepancies are explained by one or more of
the above.

Perhaps if you gave more specific information someone could make a
closer guess at what the situation is. Just how large is the
discrepancy and what is the size of the hard drive? How much is
used/free, etc.?

Chegu
Fri Aug 22 07:37:57 PDT 2008

sorry I should have another s

http://www.pipebendersinc.com/sizes.jpg


"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:udP$qV%23AJHA.1740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Jim, Js and Nepatsfan
>>
>> I ran a scan with JDiskReport and it showed the 16GB that I knew
>> about.
>> Windows explorer and properties show 103 being used
>>
>> I have put a screenshot of the two reports at
>> http://www.pipebendersinc.com/size.jpg (cannot attach here)
>>
>>
>> Still Stuck. Looks like window is confused. Any way to have it go
>> and look up each file in the directory and check the locations etc. I was
>> hoping scandisk or defrag would figure that out but they didn't
>>
>> Tom
>
>
> The URL you posted is coming up 404 not found for me right now, so I can't
> get a look at it.
>
>
> Have you accounted for:
>
> Restore Points? Stored in the normally hidden System Volume INformation,
> I believe.
> PageFile reservation?
> Differences between measurement methods? e.g. MB, Mb, 1000 vs 1024, etc.?
> The latter can really add up to some large differences with large drives
> if the programs you use don't use the same counting methodology.
>
> Many programs reserve as yet unoccupied disk space for their own explicit
> use which is usually not accounted for in space calculations. There are
> too many of them to guess at and you gave no idea what's on your system.
> Many of the reservations are in the order of 10% to 15% of the hard disk
> capacity so they can add up fast, too.
> If the gap is 16 vs 103 though, I think I'd take a look at the "b" vs "B"
> situation. "b" is bits, "B" is bytes. Beware mixing the two up.
>
> Almost all the time such discrepancies are explained by one or more of the
> above.
>
> Perhaps if you gave more specific information someone could make a closer
> guess at what the situation is. Just how large is the discrepancy and
> what is the size of the hard drive? How much is used/free, etc.?
>

Gerry
Fri Aug 22 16:16:35 PDT 2008

Where is your System Volume Information Folder?

One way sometimes to discover the existence of larger hidden files is
that they can be revealed in the Most Fragmented Files list in a Disk
Defragmenter Report. Of course the files need to be fragmented to be
seen but those of significant size usually are if the disk needs to be
defragmented. Sometimes these files can be so large there is not
sufficient contiguous free space to be able to totally defragment them.

I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report from Pat's
computer. Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View
Report and click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
Documents Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk
Defragmenter as it is more informative.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Chegu Tom wrote:
> sorry I should have another s
>
> http://www.pipebendersinc.com/sizes.jpg
>
>
> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:udP$qV%23AJHA.1740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Jim, Js and Nepatsfan
>>>
>>> I ran a scan with JDiskReport and it showed the 16GB that I knew
>>> about.
>>> Windows explorer and properties show 103 being used
>>>
>>> I have put a screenshot of the two reports at
>>> http://www.pipebendersinc.com/size.jpg (cannot attach here)
>>>
>>>
>>> Still Stuck. Looks like window is confused. Any way to have it go
>>> and look up each file in the directory and check the locations etc.
>>> I was hoping scandisk or defrag would figure that out but they
>>> didn't Tom
>>
>>
>> The URL you posted is coming up 404 not found for me right now, so I
>> can't get a look at it.
>>
>>
>> Have you accounted for:
>>
>> Restore Points? Stored in the normally hidden System Volume
>> INformation, I believe.
>> PageFile reservation?
>> Differences between measurement methods? e.g. MB, Mb, 1000 vs 1024,
>> etc.? The latter can really add up to some large differences with
>> large drives if the programs you use don't use the same counting
>> methodology. Many programs reserve as yet unoccupied disk space for
>> their own
>> explicit use which is usually not accounted for in space
>> calculations. There are too many of them to guess at and you gave no
>> idea what's on your system. Many of the reservations are in the
>> order of 10% to 15% of the hard disk capacity so they can add up
>> fast, too. If the gap is 16 vs 103 though, I think I'd take a look
>> at the "b" vs "B" situation. "b" is bits, "B" is bytes. Beware
>> mixing the two up. Almost all the time such discrepancies are
>> explained by one or more
>> of the above.
>>
>> Perhaps if you gave more specific information someone could make a
>> closer guess at what the situation is. Just how large is the
>> discrepancy and what is the size of the hard drive? How much is
>> used/free, etc.?