What is the purpose of this folder ?

Should I back it up ?

Same questions apply to "C:\Documents and Settings\NetworkService" and
"C:\Documents and Settings\c4"

Re: C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService by Jim

Jim
Tue Apr 08 07:31:26 PDT 2008


"urbane.tiger" <pjd1001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What is the purpose of this folder ?
>
> Should I back it up ?
>
> Same questions apply to "C:\Documents and Settings\NetworkService" and
> "C:\Documents and Settings\c4"
>
>
>
>
>
Local Service and Network Service are ID's for portions of XP. Leave such
things alone except for the usual backup.
I don't know anything about the c4 folder.
Jim



Re: C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService by urbane

urbane
Tue Apr 08 13:41:51 PDT 2008

Jim,

I know that the xxxService directories are for the "exclusive" use of XP,
that's why they have the System attribute set.

However if I knew what they were used for then I would know whether or not I
need to care for them, XP wont "care" for them ie there is no backup server
in the sky.

By way of example, I know that PrintHood and NetHood are used to store the
shared folder and shared printer links within the context of workgroups. I
don't use workgroups in my office so, in that context, I don't "care" about
these folders. However, in situations where workgroups are used then I do
"care" about them - e.g. a couple of community based organisations in which
I lend a hand, use workgroups to share printers and folders, in that context
I do care about what's under the hoods.

My suspicion is that the xxxService folders are related to the network
browser lists. I guess I'll have to take them apart on a machine that's in
a workgroup to find out.

As for the c4 user directory; there's a "thing" called the C4 Engine in
VS2008, given that I recently put VS2008 Pro on my office system I suspect
its a remnant of that install. I think the C4 engine is part of VB, I
didn't install VB so I suspect that's why its been left lying around - i.e.
its normally cleaned up after then VB install, which didn't happen because I
opted not to install it.

BTW - I do not like being told to "leave things alone" with respect to my
property. I may not own the XP IPR, but I do have the right to know what
information it is storing on MyComputer, in which I do have full and
unambiguous property rights.

FYI - prior to retiring, I spent more than 30 years working in IT, which is
possibly more years than you've been on the planet.

rgds phil



"Jim" <jim-norris@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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>
> "urbane.tiger" <pjd1001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6AD51CC5-0538-49F7-A274-446EFB52F67F@microsoft.com...
>> What is the purpose of this folder ?
>>
>> Should I back it up ?
>>
>> Same questions apply to "C:\Documents and Settings\NetworkService" and
>> "C:\Documents and Settings\c4"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Local Service and Network Service are ID's for portions of XP. Leave such
> things alone except for the usual backup.
> I don't know anything about the c4 folder.
> Jim
>

Re: C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService by Jim

Jim
Tue Apr 08 14:35:24 PDT 2008


"urbane.tiger" <pjd1001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:A9AF3A86-5934-4D28-8356-7277E65AE389@microsoft.com...
> Jim,
>
> I know that the xxxService directories are for the "exclusive" use of XP,
> that's why they have the System attribute set.
>
> However if I knew what they were used for then I would know whether or not
> I need to care for them, XP wont "care" for them ie there is no backup
> server in the sky.
>
> By way of example, I know that PrintHood and NetHood are used to store the
> shared folder and shared printer links within the context of workgroups.
> I don't use workgroups in my office so, in that context, I don't "care"
> about these folders. However, in situations where workgroups are used
> then I do "care" about them - e.g. a couple of community based
> organisations in which I lend a hand, use workgroups to share printers and
> folders, in that context I do care about what's under the hoods.
>
> My suspicion is that the xxxService folders are related to the network
> browser lists. I guess I'll have to take them apart on a machine that's
> in a workgroup to find out.
>
> As for the c4 user directory; there's a "thing" called the C4 Engine in
> VS2008, given that I recently put VS2008 Pro on my office system I suspect
> its a remnant of that install. I think the C4 engine is part of VB, I
> didn't install VB so I suspect that's why its been left lying around -
> i.e. its normally cleaned up after then VB install, which didn't happen
> because I opted not to install it.
>
> BTW - I do not like being told to "leave things alone" with respect to my
> property. I may not own the XP IPR, but I do have the right to know what
> information it is storing on MyComputer, in which I do have full and
> unambiguous property rights.
>
> FYI - prior to retiring, I spent more than 30 years working in IT, which
> is possibly more years than you've been on the planet.
>
> rgds phil
>
>
>
> "Jim" <jim-norris@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:2lLKj.2290$IF7.405@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> "urbane.tiger" <pjd1001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6AD51CC5-0538-49F7-A274-446EFB52F67F@microsoft.com...
>>> What is the purpose of this folder ?
>>>
>>> Should I back it up ?
>>>
>>> Same questions apply to "C:\Documents and Settings\NetworkService" and
>>> "C:\Documents and Settings\c4"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Local Service and Network Service are ID's for portions of XP. Leave
>> such things alone except for the usual backup.
>> I don't know anything about the c4 folder.
>> Jim
>>
No Phil, on May 22, I will be 78 years old. I also worked in IT for quite a
few years.

Jim



Re: C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService by Jim

Jim
Tue Apr 08 17:24:34 PDT 2008


"urbane.tiger" <pjd1001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:A9AF3A86-5934-4D28-8356-7277E65AE389@microsoft.com...
> Jim,
>
> I know that the xxxService directories are for the "exclusive" use of XP,
> that's why they have the System attribute set.
>
> However if I knew what they were used for then I would know whether or not
> I need to care for them, XP wont "care" for them ie there is no backup
> server in the sky.
>
<snip>
On page 312 of "Microsoft Registry Guide, Second Edition", a description of
the Local Service account and the Network Service account
is the following:

"Local Service. This profile folder is for the built-in LocalService
account which Service Control Manager uses to host service that don't need
to run under the LocalSystem account"
<snip>
"Network Service. This profile folder is for the built-in NetworkService
account which Service Control Manager uses to host network services that
don't need to run under the LocalSystem account"

Both of these folders are super-hidden, and you mess with them at your own
risk.

Jim



Re: C:\Documents and Settings\LocalService by urbane

urbane
Thu Apr 10 20:33:38 PDT 2008

Thanks for the information re purpose of Local and Network Service folders,
my guess as to their purpose was obviously off beam. I try to get copy of
book you reference

you wrote

> Both of these folders are super-hidden,

What's "super hidden", if it's that they have their respective Hidden and
System attribute bits set, then what's so super about that, I'm sure I don't
need to tell you about WindowsExplorer->Tools->FolderOptions->View tab ...

Now if the data were in a named stream (aka ADS) in the D&S\<username>
folder (folder's can have multiple data streams - just like any other NTFS
object), you might say that was super hidden, because Windows does not
provide any WIMP tools to look at streams, one has the know about fsutil, a
command line program.

> and you mess with them at your own risk.

I am considering whether or not I should back them up, ntbackup will set
archive attribute bits off, I do not regard that as "messing with",
deleting, changing or adding to the content of the folders in question now
that would be "messing"

Finally - re the c4 folder - its not a remnant of VS 2008 install, its
created by VS 2008 itself - if I delete the folder and start VS then the
folder is created - problematic as VS2008 might be, I don't think it would
be fair to call it a virus. BTW you never did give me the reference that
indicated that a c4 folder in D&S was indicative of a viral infection.


"Jim" <jim-norris@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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>
> "urbane.tiger" <pjd1001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:A9AF3A86-5934-4D28-8356-7277E65AE389@microsoft.com...
>> Jim,
>>
>> I know that the xxxService directories are for the "exclusive" use of XP,
>> that's why they have the System attribute set.
>>
>> However if I knew what they were used for then I would know whether or
>> not I need to care for them, XP wont "care" for them ie there is no
>> backup server in the sky.
>>
> <snip>
> On page 312 of "Microsoft Registry Guide, Second Edition", a description
> of the Local Service account and the Network Service account
> is the following:
>
> "Local Service. This profile folder is for the built-in LocalService
> account which Service Control Manager uses to host service that don't need
> to run under the LocalSystem account"
> <snip>
> "Network Service. This profile folder is for the built-in NetworkService
> account which Service Control Manager uses to host network services that
> don't need to run under the LocalSystem account"
>
> Both of these folders are super-hidden, and you mess with them at your own
> risk.
>
> Jim
>