This is a continuation of a post on 3-7-08 with PA Bear.
Greetings: I just installed the new IE7 on my Dell Dimensions 2400. It
works, but not too well. It has slowed my computor down. When I click Start
it is several seconds before the menu appears. Sometime it will not appear at
all. When it does and I am able to open a program it will open partiatially
along with two or three other programs that I did not ask for. They are in
pieces. They will not close. Then I may get a box telling me the program is
not responding. I just put a new Seagate Hard Drive in for these same
reasons. I was advised by members of the Dell forum that the HD was the
culprit. It apparently was not. It appears IE7 is the culptit. It works
properly with IE6. I like IE7 and would like to keep it but not under these
conditions. Can anyone advise me about how to make the IE7 work properly.
Your help will be appreciated. Thank you. James














I just put a new Seagate Hard Drive in for these same reasons. I was
advised by members of this forum that the HD was the culprit. It apparently
was not. It appears IE7 is the culptit. It works properly with IE6. I like
IE7 and would like to keep it but not under these conditions. Can anyone
advise me about how to make the IE7 work properly. Your help will be
appreciated. Thank you. James

Re: IE7 by TaurArian

TaurArian
Sat Apr 05 15:05:01 PDT 2008


For IE7 assistance, please post to :microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general newsgroup.

Web interface -
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

Newsreader -
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general

Please include the rest of the post which you referred to dated 3-7-08.


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http://taurarian.mvps.org
======================================
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
Computer Maintenance: Acronis / Diskeeper / Paragon / Raxco


"james w. morgan" <jwm@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:79CCBD43-8D6B-4985-B9D8-FC41C6FE8632@microsoft.com...
| This is a continuation of a post on 3-7-08 with PA Bear.
| Greetings: I just installed the new IE7 on my Dell Dimensions 2400. It
| works, but not too well. It has slowed my computor down. When I click Start
| it is several seconds before the menu appears. Sometime it will not appear at
| all. When it does and I am able to open a program it will open partiatially
| along with two or three other programs that I did not ask for. They are in
| pieces. They will not close. Then I may get a box telling me the program is
| not responding. I just put a new Seagate Hard Drive in for these same
| reasons. I was advised by members of the Dell forum that the HD was the
| culprit. It apparently was not. It appears IE7 is the culptit. It works
| properly with IE6. I like IE7 and would like to keep it but not under these
| conditions. Can anyone advise me about how to make the IE7 work properly.
| Your help will be appreciated. Thank you. James
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| I just put a new Seagate Hard Drive in for these same reasons. I was
| advised by members of this forum that the HD was the culprit. It apparently
| was not. It appears IE7 is the culptit. It works properly with IE6. I like
| IE7 and would like to keep it but not under these conditions. Can anyone
| advise me about how to make the IE7 work properly. Your help will be
| appreciated. Thank you. James



RE: IE7 by KajaSanvean

KajaSanvean
Fri Apr 18 16:47:00 PDT 2008

Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer

There are many reasons why a computer can start running slower than usual.
Having your computer run slower than normal can be agitating, frustrating and
makes tasks cumbersome. There are many causes and solutions. In this article
I intend to explain how to diagnose and fix issues that cause your computer
to run slower than usual. This article applies to windows based computers
only. The format I will use is a process of elimination to diagnose and
correct the problem.

One simple possibility is that you may be running too many running too many
programs at once and stretching the capacity of the Central Processing Unit
chip percent of usage. To see the percent being used bring up the task
manager by pressing control alt delete simultaneously and you will receive a
list of all programs running and the CPU percent usage. Computer users
usually expect the computer to respond within 2.3 seconds which in some cases
is not possible. This could be for two reasons: 1. Your CPU chip is older
and slow and 2. You do not have enough RAM memory. Ram memory can be bought
and is relatively cheap. After consider this and eliminating that possibility
it is necessary to start eliminating other possibilities.

The first course of action is to check for viruses. Viruses can slow your
computer considerably and cause other performance issues. You can run your
virus protection software, but that is not sufficient because a virus may
have bypassed your anti virus software so you will need to scan your computer
over the internet. Two websites that can do this for you are:
http://www.symantec.com and
http://www.microsoft.com/protect/products/computer/safetyscanner.mspx. I
recommend Avast Anti Virus. It can be found at http://www.avast.com I feel
it is the best anti virus program.

After you have completed this you will now have ruled out viruses as the
problem. If a virus is found either remove yourself if you know how or if
you do not pay someone to remove it. I recommended having it professionally
removed even though it costs money because viruses can hide deep inside your
computer files and imitate other programs with the same name. Now that
viruses have been eliminated as the cause of the problem you need to proceed.

Next you need to check for malware and spyware. Malware and spyware are
programs that are downloaded onto your computer without your knowledge
usually included in a program you downloaded which is why you should be
careful what you download and read the documentation of what comes with it.
Your homepage, which is the first website you see when you open your browser,
can be hijacked and changed without your permission. This is a sure sign of
malware. There are free and paid programs that can remove spyware and
malware. One free one is called Ad Aware and it is a free download from
http://www.lavasoft.com I recommend another program that is available for
purchase called Spybot Search and Destroy. It has an antivirus capability
but also cleans up spyware. It can be found to download and purchase at
http://www.webroot.com . If you scan with these programs quarantine and or
remove the identified files. Now that you have checked your computer for
malware and spyware and if you have a clean computer further diagnosis is
necessary.

One problem you could be having is that there is not that much space on your
hard drive, but not to worry, you can clean up unnecessary space. Next you
will want to clean up unnecessary files. As a general rule when deleting
programs and files do not delete them unless you know exactly what they are
what they do and how deleting them will affect your computer. Some programs
interface with other programs to work. There are a number of ways to safely
clean up unnecessary files such as temporary internet files, cookies,
browsing history, and the recycle bin. In Windows XP go to Start, all
programs, accessories, system tools and disc cleanup Select the drive you
wish to cleanup which should It will then analyze the drive and give you a
list of what needs to be cleaned out and how much space you can free up. It
is Ok to check everything off that has more than 0 values in space. Click OK
and yes. In Windows Vista select Start and then disc cleanup and follow the
previous instructions. There is another more thorough way to do this with a
free utility cleaning program called CC Cleaner. It is available as a free
download from http://www.cccleaner.com. Once you download and install it you
can clean with two functions: windows and application. Select windows first
and click analyze. This will show you what files it can clean up and how
much space you can free up. Then select run cleaner. Do the same process
for applications. Run CC Cleaner periodically to clean up unnecessary files
and speed up your system.

Internet Explorer keeps a cache of files stored for retrieval and browser
history. This should deleted periodically to free up space. How often is
your decision. Some people clear it after each internet session and some
weekly. I would say weekly is sufficient. In the Internet Explorer menu
select: tools, internet options, delete files and OK. Then following the
same steps select delete history and OK.

Fragmented files can also fill up space. To see if your computer needs the
defragmentation process in Windows XP and Windows Vista go to: start, all
programs, accessories and system tools. Select Disc Defragmenter. Click
analyze and your computer will analyze the drive and tell you if it is
necessary to defragment the drive. If it is necessary it will take some time.

These steps will most likely speed up your computer and make the problem
apparent whether it be a virus or malware/spyware; however if this fails to
speed up your computer hire a technical support person to diagnose and fix
the problem.



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Re: IE7 by Unknown

Unknown
Sat Apr 19 08:41:56 PDT 2008

SPAM!
"Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>



Re: IE7 by Thomas

Thomas
Sat Apr 19 17:23:37 PDT 2008

In what way??


--
Tumppi
=================================
A lot learned from these newsgroups
Helsinki, FINLAND
(translations from/to FI not always accurate
=================================




"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> SPAM!
> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>
>
>



Re: IE7 by Unknown

Unknown
Sun Apr 20 07:13:15 PDT 2008

Pushing virus programs.
"Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> In what way??
>
>
> --
> Tumppi
> =================================
> A lot learned from these newsgroups
> Helsinki, FINLAND
> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
> =================================
>
>
>
>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> SPAM!
>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: IE7 by Olórin

Olórin
Mon Apr 21 01:50:47 PDT 2008

Unknown wrote:
> Pushing virus programs.
> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> In what way??
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tumppi
>> =================================
>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>> =================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> SPAM!
>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> message news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer

Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.

Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs along with
anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with that?



Re: IE7 by Unknown

Unknown
Mon Apr 21 08:09:31 PDT 2008

Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
"Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Unknown wrote:
>> Pushing virus programs.
>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> In what way??
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tumppi
>>> =================================
>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>> =================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> SPAM!
>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>
> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>
> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs along with
> anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with that?
>



Re: IE7 by Olórin

Olórin
Tue Apr 22 01:29:16 PDT 2008


"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Unknown wrote:
>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> In what way??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tumppi
>>>> =================================
>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>> =================================
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>> message news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>
>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>
>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs along
>> with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with that?
>>
>
>

I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what your
definition of "spam" is.



Re: IE7 by Unknown

Unknown
Tue Apr 22 07:25:57 PDT 2008

Spam----unsolicited mail/message. Used primarily to sell something. How do
you think Symantic earns money?
"Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
news:OkxZ1LFpIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> In what way??
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tumppi
>>>>> =================================
>>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>>> =================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>
>>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>>
>>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs along
>>> with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with that?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what your
> definition of "spam" is.
>



Re: IE7 by Olórin

Olórin
Wed Apr 23 01:31:22 PDT 2008


"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
news:VzmPj.12$LQ4.1@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
> Spam----unsolicited mail/message. Used primarily to sell something. How do
> you think Symantic earns money?
> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
> news:OkxZ1LFpIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>> news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> In what way??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tumppi
>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>>
>>>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>>>
>>>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs along
>>>> with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with that?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what your
>> definition of "spam" is.
>>
>
>

OP reported a slow-down, programs opening unprompted, not closing, an
unresponding machine and *asked* for help.

Kaja responded with a long post recommending three anti-virus solutions
(Symantec, Microsoft & Avast), two anti-malware products and a disk cleaner
as well as making a few other recommendations.

Whatever you think of the reply's technical content and whatever you think
of the products that were recommended (and I personally shun Symantec as
much as I can), you're really out of order labelling it as spam.

Unsolicited? Nope. Trying to sell one product? Nah, a variety of products
were being *recommended*. Done primarily to sell something? Give over,
he/she was trying their best to help.

Sounds like you've got some sort of axe to grind. Or perhaps you feel for
some reason that only freeware products should ever be mentioned here?



Re: IE7 by Unknown

Unknown
Wed Apr 23 08:23:57 PDT 2008

No ax to grind whatsoever. Think what you will. However anyone pushing virus
programs is strickly spam.
"Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
news:%23Fc9qxRpIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news:VzmPj.12$LQ4.1@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>> Spam----unsolicited mail/message. Used primarily to sell something. How
>> do you think Symantic earns money?
>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>> news:OkxZ1LFpIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>> news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>>>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> In what way??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tumppi
>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>>>
>>>>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs along
>>>>> with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with that?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what
>>> your definition of "spam" is.
>>>
>>
>>
>
> OP reported a slow-down, programs opening unprompted, not closing, an
> unresponding machine and *asked* for help.
>
> Kaja responded with a long post recommending three anti-virus solutions
> (Symantec, Microsoft & Avast), two anti-malware products and a disk
> cleaner as well as making a few other recommendations.
>
> Whatever you think of the reply's technical content and whatever you think
> of the products that were recommended (and I personally shun Symantec as
> much as I can), you're really out of order labelling it as spam.
>
> Unsolicited? Nope. Trying to sell one product? Nah, a variety of products
> were being *recommended*. Done primarily to sell something? Give over,
> he/she was trying their best to help.
>
> Sounds like you've got some sort of axe to grind. Or perhaps you feel for
> some reason that only freeware products should ever be mentioned here?
>



Re: IE7 by Olórin

Olórin
Thu Apr 24 02:46:46 PDT 2008

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
news:hwIPj.142$506.33@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> No ax to grind whatsoever. Think what you will. However anyone pushing
> virus programs is strickly spam.
> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Fc9qxRpIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>> news:VzmPj.12$LQ4.1@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Spam----unsolicited mail/message. Used primarily to sell something. How
>>> do you think Symantic earns money?
>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OkxZ1LFpIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>> news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
>>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>>>>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> In what way??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Tumppi
>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>>>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>>>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>>>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> message news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs along
>>>>>> with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what
>>>> your definition of "spam" is.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> OP reported a slow-down, programs opening unprompted, not closing, an
>> unresponding machine and *asked* for help.
>>
>> Kaja responded with a long post recommending three anti-virus solutions
>> (Symantec, Microsoft & Avast), two anti-malware products and a disk
>> cleaner as well as making a few other recommendations.
>>
>> Whatever you think of the reply's technical content and whatever you
>> think of the products that were recommended (and I personally shun
>> Symantec as much as I can), you're really out of order labelling it as
>> spam.
>>
>> Unsolicited? Nope. Trying to sell one product? Nah, a variety of products
>> were being *recommended*. Done primarily to sell something? Give over,
>> he/she was trying their best to help.
>>
>> Sounds like you've got some sort of axe to grind. Or perhaps you feel for
>> some reason that only freeware products should ever be mentioned here?
>>
>
>

"...anyone pushing virus programs is strickly spam." That's merely creating
your own definition of spam. Or, strictly, a spammer.

Original Poster: "My PC is doing weird stuff like such-and-such. Please
help."
Helpful respondent: "Hmm, sounds like you could have a virus. Try checking
it with an anti-virus program such as X, Y or Z."
"Unknown": "SPAM!!!"

Yeah, right. Your position is untenable.

FAO James - to get back to the problem in hand, did you have any success
with the suggestions from TaurArian and/or Kaja Sanvean?



Re: IE7 by Unknown

Unknown
Thu Apr 24 07:08:41 PDT 2008

I don't use any virus programs whatsoever and NEVER have had a virus. What's
more important is that I
have never had any of the problems caused by all those programs. Think about
that.
By far, more problems are caused by virus programs than prevented. If you
read these newsgroups you should know that.
Try running your system without all that garbage and you'll see how well a
system operates.
Of course if you open all the spam and download trash then, you better keep
your virus programs.
"Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
news:%23FemdAfpIHA.5916@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news:hwIPj.142$506.33@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> No ax to grind whatsoever. Think what you will. However anyone pushing
>> virus programs is strickly spam.
>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23Fc9qxRpIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>> news:VzmPj.12$LQ4.1@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Spam----unsolicited mail/message. Used primarily to sell something. How
>>>> do you think Symantic earns money?
>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OkxZ1LFpIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>>> news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
>>>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>>>>>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> In what way??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Tumppi
>>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>>>>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>>>>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>>>>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>>>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>> news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs
>>>>>>> along with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with
>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what
>>>>> your definition of "spam" is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> OP reported a slow-down, programs opening unprompted, not closing, an
>>> unresponding machine and *asked* for help.
>>>
>>> Kaja responded with a long post recommending three anti-virus solutions
>>> (Symantec, Microsoft & Avast), two anti-malware products and a disk
>>> cleaner as well as making a few other recommendations.
>>>
>>> Whatever you think of the reply's technical content and whatever you
>>> think of the products that were recommended (and I personally shun
>>> Symantec as much as I can), you're really out of order labelling it as
>>> spam.
>>>
>>> Unsolicited? Nope. Trying to sell one product? Nah, a variety of
>>> products were being *recommended*. Done primarily to sell something?
>>> Give over, he/she was trying their best to help.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you've got some sort of axe to grind. Or perhaps you feel
>>> for some reason that only freeware products should ever be mentioned
>>> here?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> "...anyone pushing virus programs is strickly spam." That's merely
> creating your own definition of spam. Or, strictly, a spammer.
>
> Original Poster: "My PC is doing weird stuff like such-and-such. Please
> help."
> Helpful respondent: "Hmm, sounds like you could have a virus. Try checking
> it with an anti-virus program such as X, Y or Z."
> "Unknown": "SPAM!!!"
>
> Yeah, right. Your position is untenable.
>
> FAO James - to get back to the problem in hand, did you have any success
> with the suggestions from TaurArian and/or Kaja Sanvean?
>



Re: IE7 by Olórin

Olórin
Thu Apr 24 08:46:48 PDT 2008


"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
news:Jv0Qj.270$506.204@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>I don't use any virus programs whatsoever and NEVER have had a virus.
>What's more important is that I
> have never had any of the problems caused by all those programs. Think
> about that.
> By far, more problems are caused by virus programs than prevented. If you
> read these newsgroups you should know that.
> Try running your system without all that garbage and you'll see how well a
> system operates.
> Of course if you open all the spam and download trash then, you better
> keep your virus programs.
> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
> news:%23FemdAfpIHA.5916@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>> news:hwIPj.142$506.33@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> No ax to grind whatsoever. Think what you will. However anyone pushing
>>> virus programs is strickly spam.
>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Fc9qxRpIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>> news:VzmPj.12$LQ4.1@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>> Spam----unsolicited mail/message. Used primarily to sell something.
>>>>> How do you think Symantic earns money?
>>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OkxZ1LFpIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
>>>>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>>>>>>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> In what way??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Tumppi
>>>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>>>>>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>>>>>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>>>>>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>>>>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs
>>>>>>>> along with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem with
>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what
>>>>>> your definition of "spam" is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OP reported a slow-down, programs opening unprompted, not closing, an
>>>> unresponding machine and *asked* for help.
>>>>
>>>> Kaja responded with a long post recommending three anti-virus solutions
>>>> (Symantec, Microsoft & Avast), two anti-malware products and a disk
>>>> cleaner as well as making a few other recommendations.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever you think of the reply's technical content and whatever you
>>>> think of the products that were recommended (and I personally shun
>>>> Symantec as much as I can), you're really out of order labelling it as
>>>> spam.
>>>>
>>>> Unsolicited? Nope. Trying to sell one product? Nah, a variety of
>>>> products were being *recommended*. Done primarily to sell something?
>>>> Give over, he/she was trying their best to help.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you've got some sort of axe to grind. Or perhaps you feel
>>>> for some reason that only freeware products should ever be mentioned
>>>> here?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> "...anyone pushing virus programs is strickly spam." That's merely
>> creating your own definition of spam. Or, strictly, a spammer.
>>
>> Original Poster: "My PC is doing weird stuff like such-and-such. Please
>> help."
>> Helpful respondent: "Hmm, sounds like you could have a virus. Try
>> checking it with an anti-virus program such as X, Y or Z."
>> "Unknown": "SPAM!!!"
>>
>> Yeah, right. Your position is untenable.
>>
>> FAO James - to get back to the problem in hand, did you have any success
>> with the suggestions from TaurArian and/or Kaja Sanvean?
>>
>
>

None of which makes the earlier message spam just for recommending AV
products in the OP's situation, however *you* choose to operate.



Re: IE7 by Unknown

Unknown
Thu Apr 24 09:35:52 PDT 2008

That's only your opinion. Pushing virus programs is SPAM.
"Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
news:udo2pJipIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news:Jv0Qj.270$506.204@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>I don't use any virus programs whatsoever and NEVER have had a virus.
>>What's more important is that I
>> have never had any of the problems caused by all those programs. Think
>> about that.
>> By far, more problems are caused by virus programs than prevented. If you
>> read these newsgroups you should know that.
>> Try running your system without all that garbage and you'll see how well
>> a system operates.
>> Of course if you open all the spam and download trash then, you better
>> keep your virus programs.
>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23FemdAfpIHA.5916@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>> news:hwIPj.142$506.33@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> No ax to grind whatsoever. Think what you will. However anyone pushing
>>>> virus programs is strickly spam.
>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Fc9qxRpIHA.3960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>>> news:VzmPj.12$LQ4.1@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
>>>>>> Spam----unsolicited mail/message. Used primarily to sell something.
>>>>>> How do you think Symantic earns money?
>>>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OkxZ1LFpIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:L62Pj.5027$iK6.2648@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>> Pushing any anti-virus programs is spam.
>>>>>>>> "Olórin" <incanus@erkljrjre890aeraekj4na.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23F7jMz4oIHA.3860@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Pushing virus programs.
>>>>>>>>>> "Thomas Wendell" <tumppiw_nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:euWMLznoIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> In what way??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Tumppi
>>>>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>>>>> A lot learned from these newsgroups
>>>>>>>>>>> Helsinki, FINLAND
>>>>>>>>>>> (translations from/to FI not always accurate
>>>>>>>>>>> =================================
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> kirjoitti
>>>>>>>>>>> viestissä:8poOj.4831$iK6.274@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> SPAM!
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Kaja Sanvean" <KajaSanvean@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:C9C238D0-FDAB-4C0D-8A72-D24DC2397A75@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tips for diagnosing and fixing a slow computer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tush and pish, with a healthy dollop of pshaw.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kaja was merely making recommendations of *anti*-virus programs
>>>>>>>>> along with anti-malware and cleaning apps. What's your problem
>>>>>>>>> with that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that statement and what
>>>>>>> your definition of "spam" is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OP reported a slow-down, programs opening unprompted, not closing, an
>>>>> unresponding machine and *asked* for help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kaja responded with a long post recommending three anti-virus
>>>>> solutions (Symantec, Microsoft & Avast), two anti-malware products and
>>>>> a disk cleaner as well as making a few other recommendations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever you think of the reply's technical content and whatever you
>>>>> think of the products that were recommended (and I personally shun
>>>>> Symantec as much as I can), you're really out of order labelling it as
>>>>> spam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsolicited? Nope. Trying to sell one product? Nah, a variety of
>>>>> products were being *recommended*. Done primarily to sell something?
>>>>> Give over, he/she was trying their best to help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like you've got some sort of axe to grind. Or perhaps you feel
>>>>> for some reason that only freeware products should ever be mentioned
>>>>> here?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> "...anyone pushing virus programs is strickly spam." That's merely
>>> creating your own definition of spam. Or, strictly, a spammer.
>>>
>>> Original Poster: "My PC is doing weird stuff like such-and-such. Please
>>> help."
>>> Helpful respondent: "Hmm, sounds like you could have a virus. Try
>>> checking it with an anti-virus program such as X, Y or Z."
>>> "Unknown": "SPAM!!!"
>>>
>>> Yeah, right. Your position is untenable.
>>>
>>> FAO James - to get back to the problem in hand, did you have any success
>>> with the suggestions from TaurArian and/or Kaja Sanvean?
>>>
>>
>>
>
> None of which makes the earlier message spam just for recommending AV
> products in the OP's situation, however *you* choose to operate.
>