What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?

Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Howard

Howard
Mon Sep 27 16:30:01 CDT 2004

The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish others to alter,
but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some other image format.

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"pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?



Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by anonymous

anonymous
Mon Sep 27 19:23:11 CDT 2004


>-----Original Message-----
>The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish
others to alter,
>but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some
other image format.
>
>--
>http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
>"pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message
>news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
>> What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
>
>
>.

What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
paswd-protection for tracked changes?
>

Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Jean-Guy

Jean-Guy
Mon Sep 27 19:37:02 CDT 2004

Bonjour,

Dans son message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > écrivait :
In this message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > wrote:

||| -----Original Message-----
||| The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish others to
alter,
||| but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some other image
format.
|||
||| --
||| http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
||| "pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
||| news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
|||| What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
|||
|||
||| .
||
|| What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and

PDF = Image of Word document, text can be modified, but only if user has
Acrobat Writer and the pdf file is not password protected for editing.

|| paswd-protection for tracked changes?

People can change the document, but changes can only be accepted/refused if
you know the password.

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Salut!
_______________________________________
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Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Jean-Guy

Jean-Guy
Mon Sep 27 19:40:21 CDT 2004

Bonjour,

Dans son message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > écrivait :
In this message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > wrote:

||| -----Original Message-----
||| The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish others to
alter,
||| but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some other image
format.
|||
||| --
||| http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
||| "pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
||| news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
|||| What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
|||
|||
||| .
||
|| What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
|| paswd-protection for tracked changes?


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Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Howard

Howard
Tue Sep 28 12:29:15 CDT 2004

Password protection in Word is easily bypassed.
Not so easy in PDF.

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<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish
> others to alter,
> >but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some
> other image format.
> >
> >--
> >http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> >"pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in message
> >news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
> >> What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
> >
> >
> >.
>
> What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
> paswd-protection for tracked changes?
> >



Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by pdfShunner

pdfShunner
Tue Sep 28 16:27:03 CDT 2004



"Jean-Guy Marcil" wrote:

> Bonjour,
>
> Dans son message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > écrivait :
> In this message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > wrote:
>
> ||| -----Original Message-----
> ||| The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish others to
> alter,
> ||| but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some other image
> format.
> |||
> ||| --
> ||| http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> ||| "pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> ||| news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
> |||| What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
> |||
> |||
> ||| .
> ||
> || What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
>
> PDF = Image of Word document, text can be modified, but only if user has
> Acrobat Writer and the pdf file is not password protected for editing.
>
> || paswd-protection for tracked changes?
>
> People can change the document, but changes can only be accepted/refused if
> you know the password.
>
> --
> Salut!
> _______________________________________
> Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP
> jmarcilREMOVE@CAPSsympatico.caTHISTOO
> Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org
>
>
>
> If paswd-protection for tracked changes turns-on changes-tracking; and, if the recipient of my document can suggest changes but not get them accepted by his computer if he doesn't know the password that I have set; then, how is it that "People can change the document"?

Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by pdfShunner

pdfShunner
Tue Sep 28 16:45:08 CDT 2004



"Howard Kaikow" wrote:

> Password protection in Word is easily bypassed.
> Not so easy in PDF.
>
> --
> http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:13f801c4a4f1$5663ef40$7d02280a@phx.gbl...
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish
> > others to alter,
> > >but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some
> > other image format.
> > >
> > >--
> > >http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> > >"pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> > in message
> > >news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
> > >> What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
> > >
> > >
> > >.
> >
> > What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
> > paswd-protection for tracked changes?
> > >
>
>
> If paswd-protection for tracked changes turns-on changes-tracking; and, if the recipient of my document can suggest changes but not get them accepted by his computer if he doesn't know the password that I have set; then, how is it that "Password protection in Word is easily bypassed"? If you please: elaborate fully.

RE: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by pdfShunner

pdfShunner
Tue Sep 28 16:49:13 CDT 2004



"pdfShunner" wrote:

> What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?

I've seen recently a program that purports to do (I believe) essentially
what pdf-conversion does. I can't find that program now. Do you, dear
reader, know of any such program?

Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Howard

Howard
Tue Sep 28 17:58:37 CDT 2004

"pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Howard Kaikow" wrote:
>
> > Password protection in Word is easily bypassed.
> > Not so easy in PDF.
> >
> > --
> > http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:13f801c4a4f1$5663ef40$7d02280a@phx.gbl...
> > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish
> > > others to alter,
> > > >but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some
> > > other image format.
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> > > >"pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> > > in message
> > > >news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
> > > >> What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > > What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
> > > paswd-protection for tracked changes?
> > > >
> >
> >
> > If paswd-protection for tracked changes turns-on changes-tracking;
and, if the recipient of my document can suggest changes but not get them
accepted by his computer if he doesn't know the password that I have set;
then, how is it that "Password protection in Word is easily bypassed"? If
you please: elaborate fully.

I will not discuss methods of bypassing passwords.



Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Jean-Guy

Jean-Guy
Tue Sep 28 19:20:37 CDT 2004

Bonjour,

Dans son message, < pdfShunner > écrivait :
In this message, < pdfShunner > wrote:

|| "Jean-Guy Marcil" wrote:
||
||| Bonjour,
|||
||| Dans son message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > écrivait :
||| In this message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > wrote:
|||
|||||| -----Original Message-----
|||||| The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish others to
||| alter,
|||||| but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some other image
||| format.
||||||
|||||| --
|||||| http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
|||||| "pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|||||| news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
||||||| What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
||||||
||||||
|||||| .
|||||
||||| What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
|||
||| PDF = Image of Word document, text can be modified, but only if user has
||| Acrobat Writer and the pdf file is not password protected for editing.
|||
||||| paswd-protection for tracked changes?
|||
||| People can change the document, but changes can only be accepted/refused
if
||| you know the password.
|||
||| --
||| Salut!
||| _______________________________________
||| Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP
||| jmarcilREMOVE@CAPSsympatico.caTHISTOO
||| Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org
|||
|||
|||
||| If paswd-protection for tracked changes turns-on changes-tracking; and,
if the recipient of my
||| document can suggest changes but not get them accepted by his computer
if he doesn't know the
||| password that I have set; then, how is it that "People can change the
document"?

You are splitting hair, or you are not familiar with tracking changes in a
document!
I meant that people can suggest changes to the document and those changes
will be recorded, but the original text still remains until the changes have
been accepted or refused (in which case the change itself is deleted, not
the original text) by someone who knows the password.

Try it out.

--
Salut!
_______________________________________
Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP
jmarcilREMOVE@CAPSsympatico.caTHISTOO
Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org




Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by pdfShunner

pdfShunner
Tue Sep 28 20:19:04 CDT 2004



"Jean-Guy Marcil" wrote:

> Bonjour,
>
> Dans son message, < pdfShunner > écrivait :
> In this message, < pdfShunner > wrote:
>
> || "Jean-Guy Marcil" wrote:
> ||
> ||| Bonjour,
> |||
> ||| Dans son message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > écrivait :
> ||| In this message, < anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com > wrote:
> |||
> |||||| -----Original Message-----
> |||||| The best way to distribute a Word doc that you do not wish others to
> ||| alter,
> |||||| but be able to read is either as a PDF file or in some other image
> ||| format.
> ||||||
> |||||| --
> |||||| http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
> |||||| "pdfShunner" <pdfShunner@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> |||||| news:7B959DE0-0477-4F4E-B3A8-6F65109AB4FA@microsoft.com...
> ||||||| What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable?
> ||||||
> ||||||
> |||||| .
> |||||
> ||||| What's the difference, then, between conversion to pdf and
> |||
> ||| PDF = Image of Word document, text can be modified, but only if user has
> ||| Acrobat Writer and the pdf file is not password protected for editing.
> |||
> ||||| paswd-protection for tracked changes?
> |||
> ||| People can change the document, but changes can only be accepted/refused
> if
> ||| you know the password.
> |||
> ||| --
> ||| Salut!
> ||| _______________________________________
> ||| Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP
> ||| jmarcilREMOVE@CAPSsympatico.caTHISTOO
> ||| Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org
> |||
> |||
> |||
> ||| If paswd-protection for tracked changes turns-on changes-tracking; and,
> if the recipient of my
> ||| document can suggest changes but not get them accepted by his computer
> if he doesn't know the
> ||| password that I have set; then, how is it that "People can change the
> document"?
>
> You are splitting hair, or you are not familiar with tracking changes in a
> document!
> I meant that people can suggest changes to the document and those changes
> will be recorded, but the original text still remains until the changes have
> been accepted or refused (in which case the change itself is deleted, not
> the original text) by someone who knows the password.
>
> Try it out.
>
> --
> Salut!
> _______________________________________
> Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP
> jmarcilREMOVE@CAPSsympatico.caTHISTOO
> Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org
>
>
>
> Thank you for the reply. I did not mean to split hairs. I have never tracked changes amongst a group of users; only my own. In the group situation, when a recipient suggests changes, I presume that those changes are tracked by lines that appear through the original text with the proposals in red; when the editor or the originator prints the document prior to accepting the changes, does it print as the original or does it print with lines through the original text and with the proposals in red?

Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Jean-Guy

Jean-Guy
Tue Sep 28 21:12:11 CDT 2004

Bonjour,

Dans son message, < pdfShunner > écrivait :
In this message, < pdfShunner > wrote:


||| Thank you for the reply. I did not mean to split hairs. I have never
tracked changes amongst
||| a group of users; only my own. In the group situation, when a recipient
suggests changes, I
||| presume that those changes are tracked by lines that appear through the
original text with the
||| proposals in red; when the editor or the originator prints the document
prior to accepting the
||| changes, does it print as the original or does it print with lines
through the original text
||| and with the proposals in red?

It depends how you set up the display in Track changes toolbar.
For example, if you are viewing the document with the changes,. they will
print along with the original text. If you view the "final" version, they
will not be printed.
The same goes with the original version, with or without changes.

Also, there is a setting in the Print dialog that will override the document
setting (in the Print what list under the page selection area).

--
Salut!
_______________________________________
Jean-Guy Marcil - Word MVP
jmarcilREMOVE@CAPSsympatico.caTHISTOO
Word MVP site: http://www.word.mvps.org




Re: What program renders Word 2000 documents unalterable? by Jonathan

Jonathan
Wed Sep 29 04:41:32 CDT 2004


> > Thank you for the reply. I did not mean to split hairs. I have never
tracked changes amongst a group of users; only my own. In the group
situation, when a recipient suggests changes, I presume that those changes
are tracked by lines that appear through the original text with the
proposals in red; when the editor or the originator prints the document
prior to accepting the changes, does it print as the original or does it
print with lines through the original text and with the proposals in red?


The reason what you are proposing is not secure is that any user could copy
all te text into a new unprotected document, save it and rename it to the
sam name as the original file.

It may be that the original document couldn't be altered, but if you can
copy the content and then alter it, it is a distinction without a practical
difference.


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