Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...

I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of information
(essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a word
document without it being accessable to the user; I remember reading (but
can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests, the
document properties (including custom ones) are available to any user via
the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.

Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress the
custom docproperties information from showing in the user interface? What
about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort of low
level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read, even if the
user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data (away
from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a separate
file.

I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML format
(using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that might
also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed with XML
yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97 before I
start a whole new learning curve...

Many thanks,
Keith

--
The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't represent the
thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions are my
own.

Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Chad

Chad
Thu Aug 26 14:10:34 CDT 2004

KR,

I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document properties is
document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA, and the
only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using VBA,
would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know the name
of the variable to insert the field.

Regards,
Chad


"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
>
> I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of information
> (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a word
> document without it being accessable to the user; I remember reading (but
> can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
> DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests, the
> document properties (including custom ones) are available to any user via
> the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
>
> Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress the
> custom docproperties information from showing in the user interface? What
> about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort of low
> level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read, even if
the
> user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data (away
> from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
separate
> file.
>
> I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML format
> (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that might
> also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed with XML
> yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97 before I
> start a whole new learning curve...
>
> Many thanks,
> Keith
>
> --
> The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't represent
the
> thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions are my
> own.
>
>



Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by KR

KR
Thu Aug 26 14:22:03 CDT 2004

One additional clarification (specifically in case it affects an XML
solution)- I am working with the lowest common denominator of users, so I
definitely need a "one file deployment" and not ask users to install
add-ins, other files, libraries, etc- all I can deliver is my one word file
(a template) and have them use that to create their working documents. If it
isn't readily available in Win98SE/Word97, then I either have to be able to
activate it in code (if it is there, but just not linked) or else live
without it...

"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
>
> I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of information
> (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a word
> document without it being accessable to the user; I remember reading (but
> can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
> DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests, the
> document properties (including custom ones) are available to any user via
> the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
>
> Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress the
> custom docproperties information from showing in the user interface? What
> about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort of low
> level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read, even if
the
> user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data (away
> from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
separate
> file.
>
> I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML format
> (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that might
> also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed with XML
> yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97 before I
> start a whole new learning curve...
>
> Many thanks,
> Keith
>
> --
> The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't represent
the
> thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions are my
> own.
>
>



Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by KR

KR
Thu Aug 26 14:50:55 CDT 2004

I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of the VBA
help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
information about limitations such as total number of variables, maximum
size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that information
to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?

Many thanks,
Keith

"Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> KR,
>
> I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
> experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document properties is
> document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA, and
the
> only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using VBA,
> would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know the
name
> of the variable to insert the field.
>
> Regards,
> Chad
>
>
> "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
> >
> > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of information
> > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a word
> > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember reading
(but
> > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
> > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests, the
> > document properties (including custom ones) are available to any user
via
> > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
> >
> > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress the
> > custom docproperties information from showing in the user interface?
What
> > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort of
low
> > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read, even if
> the
> > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data
(away
> > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
> separate
> > file.
> >
> > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML
format
> > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that might
> > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed with XML
> > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97 before
I
> > start a whole new learning curve...
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Keith
> >
> > --
> > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't represent
> the
> > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions are
my
> > own.
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Jezebel

Jezebel
Thu Aug 26 18:40:39 CDT 2004

Maximum length of a DocVariable is 65280 characters. On my computer I was
able to add 3955 variables each of that length, before I got an error --
whether that's a Word limit or a function of my computer's memory, I don't
know. However, if you have anything remotely like this quantity of data, why
not put it in a separate MDB file?

A quick way to work with data packed into string variables is using the
Join() and Split() functions.




"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23EJQBY6iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of the VBA
> help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
> information about limitations such as total number of variables, maximum
> size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that
information
> to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?
>
> Many thanks,
> Keith
>
> "Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
> news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > KR,
> >
> > I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
> > experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document properties
is
> > document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA, and
> the
> > only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using VBA,
> > would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know the
> name
> > of the variable to insert the field.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chad
> >
> >
> > "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
> > >
> > > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of
information
> > > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a
word
> > > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember reading
> (but
> > > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
> > > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests, the
> > > document properties (including custom ones) are available to any user
> via
> > > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress the
> > > custom docproperties information from showing in the user interface?
> What
> > > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort of
> low
> > > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read, even
if
> > the
> > > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data
> (away
> > > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
> > separate
> > > file.
> > >
> > > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML
> format
> > > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that
might
> > > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed with
XML
> > > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97
before
> I
> > > start a whole new learning curve...
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Keith
> > >
> > > --
> > > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't
represent
> > the
> > > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions are
> my
> > > own.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Peter

Peter
Thu Aug 26 21:53:51 CDT 2004

Hi Jezebel

Join and split are not available in Word 97 :(

I believe they were introduced with Office 2000.

Cheers - Peter


"Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>, said:

>Maximum length of a DocVariable is 65280 characters. On my computer I was
>able to add 3955 variables each of that length, before I got an error --
>whether that's a Word limit or a function of my computer's memory, I don't
>know. However, if you have anything remotely like this quantity of data, why
>not put it in a separate MDB file?
>
>A quick way to work with data packed into string variables is using the
>Join() and Split() functions.
>
>
>
>
>"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:%23EJQBY6iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of the VBA
>> help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
>> information about limitations such as total number of variables, maximum
>> size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that
>information
>> to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Keith
>>
>> "Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
>> news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > KR,
>> >
>> > I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
>> > experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document properties
>is
>> > document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA, and
>> the
>> > only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using VBA,
>> > would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know the
>> name
>> > of the variable to insert the field.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Chad
>> >
>> >
>> > "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> > news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
>> > >
>> > > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of
>information
>> > > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a
>word
>> > > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember reading
>> (but
>> > > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
>> > > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests, the
>> > > document properties (including custom ones) are available to any user
>> via
>> > > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
>> > >
>> > > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress the
>> > > custom docproperties information from showing in the user interface?
>> What
>> > > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort of
>> low
>> > > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read, even
>if
>> > the
>> > > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data
>> (away
>> > > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
>> > separate
>> > > file.
>> > >
>> > > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML
>> format
>> > > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that
>might
>> > > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed with
>XML
>> > > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97
>before
>> I
>> > > start a whole new learning curve...
>> > >
>> > > Many thanks,
>> > > Keith
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't
>represent
>> > the
>> > > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions are
>> my
>> > > own.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

HTH + Cheers - Peter


Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Jezebel

Jezebel
Fri Aug 27 00:08:09 CDT 2004

That's a bugger.


"Peter Hewett" <nospam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:dg8ti0tmolv017qg1bpu38opmbvit11gps@4ax.com...
> Hi Jezebel
>
> Join and split are not available in Word 97 :(
>
> I believe they were introduced with Office 2000.
>
> Cheers - Peter
>
>
> "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>, said:
>
> >Maximum length of a DocVariable is 65280 characters. On my computer I was
> >able to add 3955 variables each of that length, before I got an error --
> >whether that's a Word limit or a function of my computer's memory, I
don't
> >know. However, if you have anything remotely like this quantity of data,
why
> >not put it in a separate MDB file?
> >
> >A quick way to work with data packed into string variables is using the
> >Join() and Split() functions.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:%23EJQBY6iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of the
VBA
> >> help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
> >> information about limitations such as total number of variables,
maximum
> >> size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that
> >information
> >> to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Keith
> >>
> >> "Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
> >> news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> > KR,
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
> >> > experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document
properties
> >is
> >> > document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA,
and
> >> the
> >> > only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using
VBA,
> >> > would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know
the
> >> name
> >> > of the variable to insert the field.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Chad
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> > > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
> >> > >
> >> > > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of
> >information
> >> > > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a
> >word
> >> > > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember
reading
> >> (but
> >> > > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
> >> > > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests,
the
> >> > > document properties (including custom ones) are available to any
user
> >> via
> >> > > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress
the
> >> > > custom docproperties information from showing in the user
interface?
> >> What
> >> > > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort
of
> >> low
> >> > > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read,
even
> >if
> >> > the
> >> > > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data
> >> (away
> >> > > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
> >> > separate
> >> > > file.
> >> > >
> >> > > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML
> >> format
> >> > > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that
> >might
> >> > > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed
with
> >XML
> >> > > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97
> >before
> >> I
> >> > > start a whole new learning curve...
> >> > >
> >> > > Many thanks,
> >> > > Keith
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't
> >represent
> >> > the
> >> > > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions
are
> >> my
> >> > > own.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> HTH + Cheers - Peter
>



Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Word

Word
Fri Aug 27 06:08:29 CDT 2004

G'day "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>,

The one that threw me was Replace() ... when the hell did that come
in? That is one damn useful routine. Mind you, when it came in I
deleted like 6 lines of code that did the same thing, but STILL!!!


Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
Want a hyperlinked index? S/W R&D? See WordHeretic.com

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)


Jezebel reckoned:

>That's a bugger.
>
>
>"Peter Hewett" <nospam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>news:dg8ti0tmolv017qg1bpu38opmbvit11gps@4ax.com...
>> Hi Jezebel
>>
>> Join and split are not available in Word 97 :(
>>
>> I believe they were introduced with Office 2000.
>>
>> Cheers - Peter
>>
>>
>> "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>, said:
>>
>> >Maximum length of a DocVariable is 65280 characters. On my computer I was
>> >able to add 3955 variables each of that length, before I got an error --
>> >whether that's a Word limit or a function of my computer's memory, I
>don't
>> >know. However, if you have anything remotely like this quantity of data,
>why
>> >not put it in a separate MDB file?
>> >
>> >A quick way to work with data packed into string variables is using the
>> >Join() and Split() functions.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >news:%23EJQBY6iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of the
>VBA
>> >> help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
>> >> information about limitations such as total number of variables,
>maximum
>> >> size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that
>> >information
>> >> to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks,
>> >> Keith
>> >>
>> >> "Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
>> >> news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> > KR,
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
>> >> > experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document
>properties
>> >is
>> >> > document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA,
>and
>> >> the
>> >> > only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using
>VBA,
>> >> > would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know
>the
>> >> name
>> >> > of the variable to insert the field.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Chad
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> >> > > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of
>> >information
>> >> > > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a
>> >word
>> >> > > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember
>reading
>> >> (but
>> >> > > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
>> >> > > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests,
>the
>> >> > > document properties (including custom ones) are available to any
>user
>> >> via
>> >> > > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress
>the
>> >> > > custom docproperties information from showing in the user
>interface?
>> >> What
>> >> > > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort
>of
>> >> low
>> >> > > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read,
>even
>> >if
>> >> > the
>> >> > > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data
>> >> (away
>> >> > > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
>> >> > separate
>> >> > > file.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML
>> >> format
>> >> > > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that
>> >might
>> >> > > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed
>with
>> >XML
>> >> > > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97
>> >before
>> >> I
>> >> > > start a whole new learning curve...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Many thanks,
>> >> > > Keith
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't
>> >represent
>> >> > the
>> >> > > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions
>are
>> >> my
>> >> > > own.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>> HTH + Cheers - Peter
>>
>


Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Peter

Peter
Fri Aug 27 09:41:53 CDT 2004

Hi Word Heretic

It came in Office 2000 along with Spliff and Joint!

Cheers - Peter


Word Heretic <myfullname@tpg.com.au>, said:

>G'day "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>,
>
>The one that threw me was Replace() ... when the hell did that come
>in? That is one damn useful routine. Mind you, when it came in I
>deleted like 6 lines of code that did the same thing, but STILL!!!
>
>
>Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
>Want a hyperlinked index? S/W R&D? See WordHeretic.com
>
>steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
>
>
>Jezebel reckoned:
>
>>That's a bugger.
>>
>>
>>"Peter Hewett" <nospam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>>news:dg8ti0tmolv017qg1bpu38opmbvit11gps@4ax.com...
>>> Hi Jezebel
>>>
>>> Join and split are not available in Word 97 :(
>>>
>>> I believe they were introduced with Office 2000.
>>>
>>> Cheers - Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>, said:
>>>
>>> >Maximum length of a DocVariable is 65280 characters. On my computer I was
>>> >able to add 3955 variables each of that length, before I got an error --
>>> >whether that's a Word limit or a function of my computer's memory, I
>>don't
>>> >know. However, if you have anything remotely like this quantity of data,
>>why
>>> >not put it in a separate MDB file?
>>> >
>>> >A quick way to work with data packed into string variables is using the
>>> >Join() and Split() functions.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:%23EJQBY6iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> >> I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of the
>>VBA
>>> >> help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
>>> >> information about limitations such as total number of variables,
>>maximum
>>> >> size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that
>>> >information
>>> >> to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?
>>> >>
>>> >> Many thanks,
>>> >> Keith
>>> >>
>>> >> "Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> >> > KR,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
>>> >> > experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document
>>properties
>>> >is
>>> >> > document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA,
>>and
>>> >> the
>>> >> > only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using
>>VBA,
>>> >> > would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know
>>the
>>> >> name
>>> >> > of the variable to insert the field.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards,
>>> >> > Chad
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> >> > news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> >> > > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of
>>> >information
>>> >> > > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a
>>> >word
>>> >> > > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember
>>reading
>>> >> (but
>>> >> > > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
>>> >> > > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests,
>>the
>>> >> > > document properties (including custom ones) are available to any
>>user
>>> >> via
>>> >> > > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress
>>the
>>> >> > > custom docproperties information from showing in the user
>>interface?
>>> >> What
>>> >> > > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort
>>of
>>> >> low
>>> >> > > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read,
>>even
>>> >if
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data
>>> >> (away
>>> >> > > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
>>> >> > separate
>>> >> > > file.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML
>>> >> format
>>> >> > > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that
>>> >might
>>> >> > > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed
>>with
>>> >XML
>>> >> > > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97
>>> >before
>>> >> I
>>> >> > > start a whole new learning curve...
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Many thanks,
>>> >> > > Keith
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't
>>> >represent
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions
>>are
>>> >> my
>>> >> > > own.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>> HTH + Cheers - Peter
>>>
>>

HTH + Cheers - Peter


Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Word

Word
Fri Aug 27 19:20:38 CDT 2004

G'day Peter Hewett <nospam@xtra.co.nz>,

I found a tiny bug in Replace() the other day, had a double slashed
filename and triedf to replace "\\" with "\". Failed miserably.

Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
Want a hyperlinked index? S/W R&D? See WordHeretic.com

steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)


Peter Hewett reckoned:

>Hi Word Heretic
>
>It came in Office 2000 along with Spliff and Joint!
>
>Cheers - Peter
>
>
>Word Heretic <myfullname@tpg.com.au>, said:
>
>>G'day "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>,
>>
>>The one that threw me was Replace() ... when the hell did that come
>>in? That is one damn useful routine. Mind you, when it came in I
>>deleted like 6 lines of code that did the same thing, but STILL!!!
>>
>>
>>Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
>>Want a hyperlinked index? S/W R&D? See WordHeretic.com
>>
>>steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
>>
>>
>>Jezebel reckoned:
>>
>>>That's a bugger.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Peter Hewett" <nospam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
>>>news:dg8ti0tmolv017qg1bpu38opmbvit11gps@4ax.com...
>>>> Hi Jezebel
>>>>
>>>> Join and split are not available in Word 97 :(
>>>>
>>>> I believe they were introduced with Office 2000.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers - Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>, said:
>>>>
>>>> >Maximum length of a DocVariable is 65280 characters. On my computer I was
>>>> >able to add 3955 variables each of that length, before I got an error --
>>>> >whether that's a Word limit or a function of my computer's memory, I
>>>don't
>>>> >know. However, if you have anything remotely like this quantity of data,
>>>why
>>>> >not put it in a separate MDB file?
>>>> >
>>>> >A quick way to work with data packed into string variables is using the
>>>> >Join() and Split() functions.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> >news:%23EJQBY6iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> >> I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of the
>>>VBA
>>>> >> help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
>>>> >> information about limitations such as total number of variables,
>>>maximum
>>>> >> size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that
>>>> >information
>>>> >> to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Many thanks,
>>>> >> Keith
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> >> > KR,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have no
>>>> >> > experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document
>>>properties
>>>> >is
>>>> >> > document variables. They can only be created and modified with VBA,
>>>and
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > only way the users can even discover their values, apart from using
>>>VBA,
>>>> >> > would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to know
>>>the
>>>> >> name
>>>> >> > of the variable to insert the field.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Regards,
>>>> >> > Chad
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> >> > news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> >> > > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on Win98SE...
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of
>>>> >information
>>>> >> > > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables) in a
>>>> >word
>>>> >> > > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember
>>>reading
>>>> >> (but
>>>> >> > > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think Custom
>>>> >> > > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my tests,
>>>the
>>>> >> > > document properties (including custom ones) are available to any
>>>user
>>>> >> via
>>>> >> > > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I suppress
>>>the
>>>> >> > > custom docproperties information from showing in the user
>>>interface?
>>>> >> What
>>>> >> > > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some sort
>>>of
>>>> >> low
>>>> >> > > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being read,
>>>even
>>>> >if
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store data
>>>> >> (away
>>>> >> > > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or in a
>>>> >> > separate
>>>> >> > > file.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data in XML
>>>> >> format
>>>> >> > > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and that
>>>> >might
>>>> >> > > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't messed
>>>with
>>>> >XML
>>>> >> > > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in Word97
>>>> >before
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> > > start a whole new learning curve...
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Many thanks,
>>>> >> > > Keith
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > --
>>>> >> > > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't
>>>> >represent
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or omissions
>>>are
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> > > own.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> HTH + Cheers - Peter
>>>>
>>>
>
>HTH + Cheers - Peter
>


Re: Storing large amounts of (hidden) data within a single word document? by Jezebel

Jezebel
Fri Aug 27 19:29:41 CDT 2004

Failed how? this seems to work OK for me ...

? replace("\\yyyy", "\\", "\")



"Word Heretic" <myfullname@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:ltjvi0loko3imk1sokpck564dj1sv4fh89@4ax.com...
> G'day Peter Hewett <nospam@xtra.co.nz>,
>
> I found a tiny bug in Replace() the other day, had a double slashed
> filename and triedf to replace "\\" with "\". Failed miserably.
>
> Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
> Want a hyperlinked index? S/W R&D? See WordHeretic.com
>
> steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
>
>
> Peter Hewett reckoned:
>
> >Hi Word Heretic
> >
> >It came in Office 2000 along with Spliff and Joint!
> >
> >Cheers - Peter
> >
> >
> >Word Heretic <myfullname@tpg.com.au>, said:
> >
> >>G'day "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>,
> >>
> >>The one that threw me was Replace() ... when the hell did that come
> >>in? That is one damn useful routine. Mind you, when it came in I
> >>deleted like 6 lines of code that did the same thing, but STILL!!!
> >>
> >>
> >>Steve Hudson - Word Heretic
> >>Want a hyperlinked index? S/W R&D? See WordHeretic.com
> >>
> >>steve from wordheretic.com (Email replies require payment)
> >>
> >>
> >>Jezebel reckoned:
> >>
> >>>That's a bugger.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Peter Hewett" <nospam@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
> >>>news:dg8ti0tmolv017qg1bpu38opmbvit11gps@4ax.com...
> >>>> Hi Jezebel
> >>>>
> >>>> Join and split are not available in Word 97 :(
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe they were introduced with Office 2000.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers - Peter
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jezebel" <dwarves@heaven.com.kr>, said:
> >>>>
> >>>> >Maximum length of a DocVariable is 65280 characters. On my computer
I was
> >>>> >able to add 3955 variables each of that length, before I got an
error --
> >>>> >whether that's a Word limit or a function of my computer's memory, I
> >>>don't
> >>>> >know. However, if you have anything remotely like this quantity of
data,
> >>>why
> >>>> >not put it in a separate MDB file?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >A quick way to work with data packed into string variables is using
the
> >>>> >Join() and Split() functions.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >"KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>>> >news:%23EJQBY6iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >>>> >> I'll definitely look into document variables; an initial read of
the
> >>>VBA
> >>>> >> help file (on my work PC which has Word 2000) doesn't provide any
> >>>> >> information about limitations such as total number of variables,
> >>>maximum
> >>>> >> size of fields, etc... does anyone know where I could find that
> >>>> >information
> >>>> >> to help me decide whether this method can support my needs?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Many thanks,
> >>>> >> Keith
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> "Chad DeMeyer" <cjdemeye at bechtel dot com> wrote in message
> >>>> >> news:u#SDeB6iEHA.3008@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >>>> >> > KR,
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > I'm not sure about the feasibility of XML for this since I have
no
> >>>> >> > experience so far with XML, but one alternative to document
> >>>properties
> >>>> >is
> >>>> >> > document variables. They can only be created and modified with
VBA,
> >>>and
> >>>> >> the
> >>>> >> > only way the users can even discover their values, apart from
using
> >>>VBA,
> >>>> >> > would be to insert DOCVARIABLE fields, and they would have to
know
> >>>the
> >>>> >> name
> >>>> >> > of the variable to insert the field.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Regards,
> >>>> >> > Chad
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > "KR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>>> >> > news:OgmeH15iEHA.3148@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >>>> >> > > Hi all- thanks in advance for your help; using Word97 on
Win98SE...
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > I'm looking for the best way to store this large amounts of
> >>>> >information
> >>>> >> > > (essentially several manually-built flat file database tables)
in a
> >>>> >word
> >>>> >> > > document without it being accessable to the user; I remember
> >>>reading
> >>>> >> (but
> >>>> >> > > can't find) a post talking about this subject, and I think
Custom
> >>>> >> > > DocProperties were the suggested solution... however, in my
tests,
> >>>the
> >>>> >> > > document properties (including custom ones) are available to
any
> >>>user
> >>>> >> via
> >>>> >> > > the document property interface, which is undesirable for me.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > Does anyone have other ideas on how to handle this? Can I
suppress
> >>>the
> >>>> >> > > custom docproperties information from showing in the user
> >>>interface?
> >>>> >> What
> >>>> >> > > about (noting: Word97/ Win98SE) saving the information in some
sort
> >>>of
> >>>> >> low
> >>>> >> > > level encryption to avoid the property 'value' from being
read,
> >>>even
> >>>> >if
> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >> > > user looks at the property dialog? Essentially I need to store
data
> >>>> >> (away
> >>>> >> > > from user's eyes) without putting the data in the document or
in a
> >>>> >> > separate
> >>>> >> > > file.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > I am thinking that maybe I could do this by writing the data
in XML
> >>>> >> format
> >>>> >> > > (using whatever XML command is available for encryption?) and
that
> >>>> >might
> >>>> >> > > also make it easier to work with the data, but I haven't
messed
> >>>with
> >>>> >XML
> >>>> >> > > yet, so I'll wait to hear if that is possible/desirable in
Word97
> >>>> >before
> >>>> >> I
> >>>> >> > > start a whole new learning curve...
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > Many thanks,
> >>>> >> > > Keith
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > --
> >>>> >> > > The enclosed questions or comments are entirely mine and don't
> >>>> >represent
> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >> > > thoughts, views, or policy of my employer. Any errors or
omissions
> >>>are
> >>>> >> my
> >>>> >> > > own.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >>
> >>>&