This is a report of a solution I stumbled onto regarding mystery crashes by
Word 2007. Crashes happened on new docs, old docs, when many docs were open,
when one was. Happened in spurts or not at all for hours. (specs: Office
2007, Windows XP, new Dell Optiplex, Novell Netware network--all with latest
Service packs & updates)

Out of 20 users with identical new Machines with Office 2007, one group of 3
suffered these frequent random crashes in Word. I did the diagnostic gamut:
templates, add-ins etc. Drove me nuts for months. Had to roll back one user
to Word 2003. Seven have installed Open Office on the theory that they can't
trust MS (or me).

Reinstallation and service pack installs bought 1-2 days of respite then
problem re-emerged.

Only commonality of the problem group is that (a) they work on a lot of the
same docs and (b) 2 of them spew numerous temporary word files that never
seem to close (they also did this in Word 2003 before the upgrade--I have no
idea how they do this except that they keep many files open, are impatient
and are quick to reboot when it is not necessary and don't reboot when they
should).

On suggestion of a wise colleague I went to Word Options, Advanced, Service
Options, and turned off everything and anything that referred to shared
workspace.

ZERO CRASHES SINCE!!! Do not know why. Don't care.

Re: One solution for Word 2007 crashes by Terry

Terry
Fri May 02 11:11:19 PDT 2008

George

That's an interesting discovery. Were your installations set to the 'Ask
Before' options? I wonder if this has to do with an incompatibility with
Netware?

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"George T" <GeorgeT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7EBD9DF6-A5C9-4604-8983-D2784F074FA4@microsoft.com...
> This is a report of a solution I stumbled onto regarding mystery crashes
> by
> Word 2007. Crashes happened on new docs, old docs, when many docs were
> open,
> when one was. Happened in spurts or not at all for hours. (specs: Office
> 2007, Windows XP, new Dell Optiplex, Novell Netware network--all with
> latest
> Service packs & updates)
>
> Out of 20 users with identical new Machines with Office 2007, one group of
> 3
> suffered these frequent random crashes in Word. I did the diagnostic
> gamut:
> templates, add-ins etc. Drove me nuts for months. Had to roll back one
> user
> to Word 2003. Seven have installed Open Office on the theory that they
> can't
> trust MS (or me).
>
> Reinstallation and service pack installs bought 1-2 days of respite then
> problem re-emerged.
>
> Only commonality of the problem group is that (a) they work on a lot of
> the
> same docs and (b) 2 of them spew numerous temporary word files that never
> seem to close (they also did this in Word 2003 before the upgrade--I have
> no
> idea how they do this except that they keep many files open, are impatient
> and are quick to reboot when it is not necessary and don't reboot when
> they
> should).
>
> On suggestion of a wise colleague I went to Word Options, Advanced,
> Service
> Options, and turned off everything and anything that referred to shared
> workspace.
>
> ZERO CRASHES SINCE!!! Do not know why. Don't care.


Re: One solution for Word 2007 crashes by GeorgeT

GeorgeT
Fri May 02 11:36:32 PDT 2008

I don't recall any installation settings choices being presented regarding
"ask before updating."
The installation was pretty plain vanilla from a single disk using our
volume licenses. The only departures from the default were:
1) Setting the default save folder to the users personal network folder
(mapped as P:) 2) Setting the doc default save type to .doc instead of .docx.

The users in question all have read/write rights in each other's personal
folders and in the work files area (though the mapping is not identical).

I don't know enough about all the associated MS-Word pointers and temp files
to know where and how those get placed or whether not having access to any of
them was the problem. But if a file is closed by one user and them opened by
a second who has the right to access that file, why would there be a problem?
Is there some separate record-change file out there that somebody needs to
get to?

Note that the lockups persisted even though files were closed, new ones
started and Word restarted (or even after reboot) as if there was some
express need to finish writing to some file that could not be disposed of.
And there was no asking, no error message, no info in the event log. Just
the hourglass and the big red "X" over and over.



"Terry Farrell" wrote:

> George
>
> That's an interesting discovery. Were your installations set to the 'Ask
> Before' options? I wonder if this has to do with an incompatibility with
> Netware?
>
> --
> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
>
> "George T" <GeorgeT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7EBD9DF6-A5C9-4604-8983-D2784F074FA4@microsoft.com...
> > This is a report of a solution I stumbled onto regarding mystery crashes
> > by
> > Word 2007. Crashes happened on new docs, old docs, when many docs were
> > open,
> > when one was. Happened in spurts or not at all for hours. (specs: Office
> > 2007, Windows XP, new Dell Optiplex, Novell Netware network--all with
> > latest
> > Service packs & updates)
> >
> > Out of 20 users with identical new Machines with Office 2007, one group of
> > 3
> > suffered these frequent random crashes in Word. I did the diagnostic
> > gamut:
> > templates, add-ins etc. Drove me nuts for months. Had to roll back one
> > user
> > to Word 2003. Seven have installed Open Office on the theory that they
> > can't
> > trust MS (or me).
> >
> > Reinstallation and service pack installs bought 1-2 days of respite then
> > problem re-emerged.
> >
> > Only commonality of the problem group is that (a) they work on a lot of
> > the
> > same docs and (b) 2 of them spew numerous temporary word files that never
> > seem to close (they also did this in Word 2003 before the upgrade--I have
> > no
> > idea how they do this except that they keep many files open, are impatient
> > and are quick to reboot when it is not necessary and don't reboot when
> > they
> > should).
> >
> > On suggestion of a wise colleague I went to Word Options, Advanced,
> > Service
> > Options, and turned off everything and anything that referred to shared
> > workspace.
> >
> > ZERO CRASHES SINCE!!! Do not know why. Don't care.


Re: One solution for Word 2007 crashes by Terry

Terry
Fri May 02 14:27:41 PDT 2008

Thanks.

Terry

"George T" <GeorgeT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:EC39905B-4B4B-4663-B06C-F09F914C39D0@microsoft.com...
> I don't recall any installation settings choices being presented
> regarding
> "ask before updating."
> The installation was pretty plain vanilla from a single disk using our
> volume licenses. The only departures from the default were:
> 1) Setting the default save folder to the users personal network folder
> (mapped as P:) 2) Setting the doc default save type to .doc instead of
> .docx.
>
> The users in question all have read/write rights in each other's personal
> folders and in the work files area (though the mapping is not identical).
>
> I don't know enough about all the associated MS-Word pointers and temp
> files
> to know where and how those get placed or whether not having access to any
> of
> them was the problem. But if a file is closed by one user and them opened
> by
> a second who has the right to access that file, why would there be a
> problem?
> Is there some separate record-change file out there that somebody needs to
> get to?
>
> Note that the lockups persisted even though files were closed, new ones
> started and Word restarted (or even after reboot) as if there was some
> express need to finish writing to some file that could not be disposed of.
> And there was no asking, no error message, no info in the event log. Just
> the hourglass and the big red "X" over and over.
>
>
>
> "Terry Farrell" wrote:
>
>> George
>>
>> That's an interesting discovery. Were your installations set to the 'Ask
>> Before' options? I wonder if this has to do with an incompatibility with
>> Netware?
>>
>> --
>> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
>>
>> "George T" <GeorgeT@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7EBD9DF6-A5C9-4604-8983-D2784F074FA4@microsoft.com...
>> > This is a report of a solution I stumbled onto regarding mystery
>> > crashes
>> > by
>> > Word 2007. Crashes happened on new docs, old docs, when many docs were
>> > open,
>> > when one was. Happened in spurts or not at all for hours. (specs:
>> > Office
>> > 2007, Windows XP, new Dell Optiplex, Novell Netware network--all with
>> > latest
>> > Service packs & updates)
>> >
>> > Out of 20 users with identical new Machines with Office 2007, one group
>> > of
>> > 3
>> > suffered these frequent random crashes in Word. I did the diagnostic
>> > gamut:
>> > templates, add-ins etc. Drove me nuts for months. Had to roll back one
>> > user
>> > to Word 2003. Seven have installed Open Office on the theory that they
>> > can't
>> > trust MS (or me).
>> >
>> > Reinstallation and service pack installs bought 1-2 days of respite
>> > then
>> > problem re-emerged.
>> >
>> > Only commonality of the problem group is that (a) they work on a lot of
>> > the
>> > same docs and (b) 2 of them spew numerous temporary word files that
>> > never
>> > seem to close (they also did this in Word 2003 before the upgrade--I
>> > have
>> > no
>> > idea how they do this except that they keep many files open, are
>> > impatient
>> > and are quick to reboot when it is not necessary and don't reboot when
>> > they
>> > should).
>> >
>> > On suggestion of a wise colleague I went to Word Options, Advanced,
>> > Service
>> > Options, and turned off everything and anything that referred to shared
>> > workspace.
>> >
>> > ZERO CRASHES SINCE!!! Do not know why. Don't care.
>


Re: One solution for Word 2007 crashes by rick

rick
Sat May 03 03:08:47 PDT 2008

Terry:

On the Netware forums there has been discussion of this, usually
around CIFS and the way it's implemented. It's also come up that it
could be the way users have drives shared. I spent a couple of days
with a Novell engineer on this and he was stumped.

It's happening to me too but only for local network users - those who
connect in from other offices don't have this problem. I'm going to
try George's suggestion out this week to see if it works for us.

On May 2, 2:11=A0pm, "Terry Farrell" <terryfarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> George
>
> That's an interesting discovery. Were your installations set to the 'Ask
> Before' options? I wonder if this has to do with an incompatibility with
> Netware?
>
> --
> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
>
> "George T" <Geor...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7EBD9DF6-A5C9-4604-8983-D2784F074FA4@microsoft.com...
>
> > This is a report of a solution I stumbled onto regarding mystery crashes=

> > by
> > Word 2007. =A0Crashes happened on new docs, old docs, when many docs wer=
e
> > open,
> > when one was. =A0Happened in spurts or not at all for hours. (specs: Off=
ice
> > 2007, Windows XP, new Dell Optiplex, Novell Netware network--all with
> > latest
> > Service packs & updates)
>
> > Out of 20 users with identical new Machines with Office 2007, one group =
of
> > 3
> > suffered these frequent random crashes in Word. =A0I did the diagnostic
> > gamut:
> > templates, add-ins etc. Drove me nuts for months. =A0Had to roll back on=
e
> > user
> > to Word 2003. =A0Seven have installed Open Office on the theory that the=
y
> > can't
> > trust MS (or me).
>
> > Reinstallation and service pack installs bought 1-2 days of respite then=

> > problem re-emerged.
>
> > Only commonality of the problem group is that (a) they work on a lot of
> > the
> > same docs and (b) 2 of them spew numerous temporary word files that neve=
r
> > seem to close (they also did this in Word 2003 before the upgrade--I hav=
e
> > no
> > idea how they do this except that they keep many files open, are impatie=
nt
> > and are quick to reboot when it is not necessary and don't reboot when
> > they
> > should).
>
> > On suggestion of =A0a wise colleague I went to Word Options, Advanced,
> > Service
> > Options, and turned off everything and anything that referred to shared
> > workspace.
>
> > ZERO CRASHES SINCE!!! Do not know why. =A0Don't care.