Autoformat paragraph line end removal no longer working

Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg) that
always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as in
para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough to
clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
For some reason this no longer works.
I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same result.
I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
consuming.
Any suggestions much appreciated
--
Michael

Suzanne
Sun Aug 03 09:53:12 PDT 2008

This suggests that (a) your AutoFormat settings have changed, (b) the text
files you're downloading have changed, or (c) some Office Update has changed
something (which would explain (a)).

The only possibility you can really do anything about is (a); have a look at
the settings and see if there is anything that might explain the difference
(my settings in Word 2003 have a reference to "Plain text WordMail
documents" that might be relevant).

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
> Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg) that
> always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
> In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as in
> para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough to
> clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
> For some reason this no longer works.
> I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same result.
> I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
> consuming.
> Any suggestions much appreciated
> --
> Michael
>

MichaelJB
Mon Aug 04 02:29:01 PDT 2008

Thanks Suzanne - the "plain text .. " option is there in W2000 and I have
tried it with both off and on.
The ref to "cleaning up text pasted from the web" does actually say that
this operation, clearing line end para marks within a para, works
irrespective of any autoformat / autocorrect settings.
The download formats from Gutenberg remain unchanged from before.
I have checked replace using both ^p and ^13 - both find line end marks and
true para marks.
Any other suggestion much appreciated - otherwise perhaps just another Word
mystery.
Thanks again
Michael


--
Michael


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

> This suggests that (a) your AutoFormat settings have changed, (b) the text
> files you're downloading have changed, or (c) some Office Update has changed
> something (which would explain (a)).
>
> The only possibility you can really do anything about is (a); have a look at
> the settings and see if there is anything that might explain the difference
> (my settings in Word 2003 have a reference to "Plain text WordMail
> documents" that might be relevant).
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg) that
> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as in
> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough to
> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
> > For some reason this no longer works.
> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same result.
> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
> > consuming.
> > Any suggestions much appreciated
> > --
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>

Suzanne
Mon Aug 04 06:36:52 PDT 2008

IIRC, the article does also say that the AutoFormat route is iffy. Sometimes
it works, other times not. I think I've never had any real expectation that
it would and just regarded it as a blessing when it did. In this case,
you're not blessed. As you say, "just another Word mystery."

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2DF34D21-08A7-4EE5-B4DD-3F6984FC1704@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Suzanne - the "plain text .. " option is there in W2000 and I have
> tried it with both off and on.
> The ref to "cleaning up text pasted from the web" does actually say that
> this operation, clearing line end para marks within a para, works
> irrespective of any autoformat / autocorrect settings.
> The download formats from Gutenberg remain unchanged from before.
> I have checked replace using both ^p and ^13 - both find line end marks
> and
> true para marks.
> Any other suggestion much appreciated - otherwise perhaps just another
> Word
> mystery.
> Thanks again
> Michael
>
>
> --
> Michael
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
>> This suggests that (a) your AutoFormat settings have changed, (b) the
>> text
>> files you're downloading have changed, or (c) some Office Update has
>> changed
>> something (which would explain (a)).
>>
>> The only possibility you can really do anything about is (a); have a look
>> at
>> the settings and see if there is anything that might explain the
>> difference
>> (my settings in Word 2003 have a reference to "Plain text WordMail
>> documents" that might be relevant).
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg)
>> > that
>> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
>> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as
>> > in
>> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough
>> > to
>> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
>> > For some reason this no longer works.
>> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same
>> > result.
>> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
>> > consuming.
>> > Any suggestions much appreciated
>> > --
>> > Michael
>> >
>>
>>
>>

MichaelJB
Mon Aug 04 08:19:02 PDT 2008

Thanks again Suzanne.
I will close the thread - tried again re-installing but same result - also
tried with Word 7 ( I have a 30 day tester with a new laptop ) and it doesn't
work with that either - I know that autoformat is different in W7.
Thanks again for your prompt and helpful response
--
Michael


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

> IIRC, the article does also say that the AutoFormat route is iffy. Sometimes
> it works, other times not. I think I've never had any real expectation that
> it would and just regarded it as a blessing when it did. In this case,
> you're not blessed. As you say, "just another Word mystery."
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2DF34D21-08A7-4EE5-B4DD-3F6984FC1704@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Suzanne - the "plain text .. " option is there in W2000 and I have
> > tried it with both off and on.
> > The ref to "cleaning up text pasted from the web" does actually say that
> > this operation, clearing line end para marks within a para, works
> > irrespective of any autoformat / autocorrect settings.
> > The download formats from Gutenberg remain unchanged from before.
> > I have checked replace using both ^p and ^13 - both find line end marks
> > and
> > true para marks.
> > Any other suggestion much appreciated - otherwise perhaps just another
> > Word
> > mystery.
> > Thanks again
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> >
> >> This suggests that (a) your AutoFormat settings have changed, (b) the
> >> text
> >> files you're downloading have changed, or (c) some Office Update has
> >> changed
> >> something (which would explain (a)).
> >>
> >> The only possibility you can really do anything about is (a); have a look
> >> at
> >> the settings and see if there is anything that might explain the
> >> difference
> >> (my settings in Word 2003 have a reference to "Plain text WordMail
> >> documents" that might be relevant).
> >>
> >> --
> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> Words into Type
> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >>
> >> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg)
> >> > that
> >> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
> >> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as
> >> > in
> >> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough
> >> > to
> >> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
> >> > For some reason this no longer works.
> >> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same
> >> > result.
> >> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
> >> > consuming.
> >> > Any suggestions much appreciated
> >> > --
> >> > Michael
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
>

MichaelJB
Mon Aug 04 08:22:15 PDT 2008

Thanks Terry - it picks up both ^p and ^13 - unfortunately there are only
singles at any line/para end, so a replace pass just makes it into one long
document !
Will keep looking - thanks again
--
Michael


"Terry Farrell" wrote:

> Maybe the paragraph marks are actually ^13: try searching ^13 instead of ^p
> or ^l
>
> --
> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
>
> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg) that
> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as in
> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough to
> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
> > For some reason this no longer works.
> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same result.
> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
> > consuming.
> > Any suggestions much appreciated
> > --
> > Michael
>

Terry
Mon Aug 04 09:36:09 PDT 2008

The solution is to use a slightly different approach. If this is (badly)
formatted as usual with double para breaks at the end of a real paragraph
and single para breaks at the end of every line, you need to preserve the
doubles.

So the first pass you should find ^p^p and replace with a memorable but
nonsense combination of letters such DFGH.
The on the next pass find ^p and replace with nothing (or a space if
needed).
On the final pass, search for the DFGH and replace with ^p (or ^p^p if you
are not using a style with Space After set).

Terry

"Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E28CAEF2-2D48-48B4-9F5A-4B9B8941AE63@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Terry - it picks up both ^p and ^13 - unfortunately there are only
> singles at any line/para end, so a replace pass just makes it into one
> long
> document !
> Will keep looking - thanks again
> --
> Michael
>
>
> "Terry Farrell" wrote:
>
>> Maybe the paragraph marks are actually ^13: try searching ^13 instead of
>> ^p
>> or ^l
>>
>> --
>> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
>>
>> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg)
>> > that
>> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
>> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as
>> > in
>> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough
>> > to
>> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
>> > For some reason this no longer works.
>> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same
>> > result.
>> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
>> > consuming.
>> > Any suggestions much appreciated
>> > --
>> > Michael
>>

MichaelJB
Mon Aug 04 12:11:01 PDT 2008

Thanks Terry
I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para marks
at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on all
the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as there
are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles into
singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and the
true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between paragraphs.
As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat previously
got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing, but
if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
Many thanks for your help.
One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot between
words that could be used in find/replace ?
Thanks again


Cheers
--
Michael


"Terry Farrell" wrote:

> The solution is to use a slightly different approach. If this is (badly)
> formatted as usual with double para breaks at the end of a real paragraph
> and single para breaks at the end of every line, you need to preserve the
> doubles.
>
> So the first pass you should find ^p^p and replace with a memorable but
> nonsense combination of letters such DFGH.
> The on the next pass find ^p and replace with nothing (or a space if
> needed).
> On the final pass, search for the DFGH and replace with ^p (or ^p^p if you
> are not using a style with Space After set).
>
> Terry
>
> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E28CAEF2-2D48-48B4-9F5A-4B9B8941AE63@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Terry - it picks up both ^p and ^13 - unfortunately there are only
> > singles at any line/para end, so a replace pass just makes it into one
> > long
> > document !
> > Will keep looking - thanks again
> > --
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > "Terry Farrell" wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe the paragraph marks are actually ^13: try searching ^13 instead of
> >> ^p
> >> or ^l
> >>
> >> --
> >> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
> >>
> >> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg)
> >> > that
> >> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
> >> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed - as
> >> > in
> >> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is enough
> >> > to
> >> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
> >> > For some reason this no longer works.
> >> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same
> >> > result.
> >> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
> >> > consuming.
> >> > Any suggestions much appreciated
> >> > --
> >> > Michael
> >>
>

Suzanne
Mon Aug 04 12:25:03 PDT 2008

To find spaces, just type one or more spaces into the "Find what" box. Or
you can use the ^w code, which will find any number of spaces. This is
useful if you want to find multiple spaces and replace with a single one.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Terry
> I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para
> marks
> at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on
> all
> the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as
> there
> are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles
> into
> singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
> changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and
> the
> true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
> paragraphs.
> As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
> just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat previously
> got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing,
> but
> if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
> Many thanks for your help.
> One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
> between
> words that could be used in find/replace ?
> Thanks again
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Michael
>
>
> "Terry Farrell" wrote:
>
>> The solution is to use a slightly different approach. If this is (badly)
>> formatted as usual with double para breaks at the end of a real paragraph
>> and single para breaks at the end of every line, you need to preserve the
>> doubles.
>>
>> So the first pass you should find ^p^p and replace with a memorable but
>> nonsense combination of letters such DFGH.
>> The on the next pass find ^p and replace with nothing (or a space if
>> needed).
>> On the final pass, search for the DFGH and replace with ^p (or ^p^p if
>> you
>> are not using a style with Space After set).
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:E28CAEF2-2D48-48B4-9F5A-4B9B8941AE63@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks Terry - it picks up both ^p and ^13 - unfortunately there are
>> > only
>> > singles at any line/para end, so a replace pass just makes it into one
>> > long
>> > document !
>> > Will keep looking - thanks again
>> > --
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> > "Terry Farrell" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Maybe the paragraph marks are actually ^13: try searching ^13 instead
>> >> of
>> >> ^p
>> >> or ^l
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
>> >>
>> >> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg)
>> >> > that
>> >> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
>> >> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed -
>> >> > as
>> >> > in
>> >> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is
>> >> > enough
>> >> > to
>> >> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
>> >> > For some reason this no longer works.
>> >> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same
>> >> > result.
>> >> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
>> >> > consuming.
>> >> > Any suggestions much appreciated
>> >> > --
>> >> > Michael
>> >>
>>
>

Terry
Mon Aug 04 14:16:21 PDT 2008

Last question first...

AFAIAA, the feint dot representing the character space is not a non-printing
character in the same way as the Tab arrow or the paragraph pilcrow, so
cannot be searched.

Going back to the three clean tidy up: at the first step you can search for
the .^p (stop+paragraph mark) - which should only occur at the end of a
paragraph - instead of ^p^p and replace with the code. Then the three pass
clean up will work.

Terry

"Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Terry
> I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para
> marks
> at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on
> all
> the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as
> there
> are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles
> into
> singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
> changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and
> the
> true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
> paragraphs.
> As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
> just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat previously
> got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing,
> but
> if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
> Many thanks for your help.
> One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
> between
> words that could be used in find/replace ?
> Thanks again
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Michael

MichaelJB
Mon Aug 04 14:29:04 PDT 2008

Many thanks Suzanne
--
Michael


"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

> To find spaces, just type one or more spaces into the "Find what" box. Or
> you can use the ^w code, which will find any number of spaces. This is
> useful if you want to find multiple spaces and replace with a single one.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Terry
> > I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para
> > marks
> > at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on
> > all
> > the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as
> > there
> > are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles
> > into
> > singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
> > changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and
> > the
> > true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
> > paragraphs.
> > As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
> > just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat previously
> > got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing,
> > but
> > if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
> > Many thanks for your help.
> > One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
> > between
> > words that could be used in find/replace ?
> > Thanks again
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > "Terry Farrell" wrote:
> >
> >> The solution is to use a slightly different approach. If this is (badly)
> >> formatted as usual with double para breaks at the end of a real paragraph
> >> and single para breaks at the end of every line, you need to preserve the
> >> doubles.
> >>
> >> So the first pass you should find ^p^p and replace with a memorable but
> >> nonsense combination of letters such DFGH.
> >> The on the next pass find ^p and replace with nothing (or a space if
> >> needed).
> >> On the final pass, search for the DFGH and replace with ^p (or ^p^p if
> >> you
> >> are not using a style with Space After set).
> >>
> >> Terry
> >>
> >> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:E28CAEF2-2D48-48B4-9F5A-4B9B8941AE63@microsoft.com...
> >> > Thanks Terry - it picks up both ^p and ^13 - unfortunately there are
> >> > only
> >> > singles at any line/para end, so a replace pass just makes it into one
> >> > long
> >> > document !
> >> > Will keep looking - thanks again
> >> > --
> >> > Michael
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Terry Farrell" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Maybe the paragraph marks are actually ^13: try searching ^13 instead
> >> >> of
> >> >> ^p
> >> >> or ^l
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP
> >> >>
> >> >> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4078BD5E-2947-4F4A-8778-823F2CA27128@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > Hi. Word 2000 XP SP2. I download text files ( books from Gutenberg)
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > always contain paragraph signs at the end of each line.
> >> >> > In the past I have just run autoformat and these have been removed -
> >> >> > as
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > para 3 of "cleaning up text pasted from the Web" - and this is
> >> >> > enough
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > clean up the text for subsequent line justification and reading.
> >> >> > For some reason this no longer works.
> >> >> > I have re-installed Word 2000 on a Vista Premium laptop but same
> >> >> > result.
> >> >> > I know I could use find/replace but this is obviously much more time
> >> >> > consuming.
> >> >> > Any suggestions much appreciated
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Michael
> >> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>

MichaelJB
Mon Aug 04 14:32:07 PDT 2008

Thanks Terry - that's a really clever way of identifying and replacing the
symbols - much appreciated.
--
Michael


"Terry Farrell" wrote:

> Last question first...
>
> AFAIAA, the feint dot representing the character space is not a non-printing
> character in the same way as the Tab arrow or the paragraph pilcrow, so
> cannot be searched.
>
> Going back to the three clean tidy up: at the first step you can search for
> the .^p (stop+paragraph mark) - which should only occur at the end of a
> paragraph - instead of ^p^p and replace with the code. Then the three pass
> clean up will work.
>
> Terry
>
> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Terry
> > I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para
> > marks
> > at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on
> > all
> > the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as
> > there
> > are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles
> > into
> > singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
> > changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and
> > the
> > true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
> > paragraphs.
> > As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
> > just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat previously
> > got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing,
> > but
> > if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
> > Many thanks for your help.
> > One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
> > between
> > words that could be used in find/replace ?
> > Thanks again
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Michael
>

Terry
Mon Aug 04 14:31:21 PDT 2008

Oops. Suzanne is correct. For some weird reason I read space between
characters instead of words. Yes, just use a space for a single space, two
spaces to find 2 spaces, 3 for three spaces or ^w for an indeterminate
string of spaces. etc.

Terry

"Terry Farrell" <terryfarrell@msn.com> wrote in message
news:89A0ED01-BBA4-48B8-A533-AD643A2E89D3@microsoft.com...
> Last question first...
>
> AFAIAA, the feint dot representing the character space is not a
> non-printing character in the same way as the Tab arrow or the paragraph
> pilcrow, so cannot be searched.
>
> Going back to the three clean tidy up: at the first step you can search
> for the .^p (stop+paragraph mark) - which should only occur at the end of
> a paragraph - instead of ^p^p and replace with the code. Then the three
> pass clean up will work.
>
> Terry
>
> "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
>> Thanks Terry
>> I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para
>> marks
>> at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on
>> all
>> the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as
>> there
>> are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles
>> into
>> singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
>> changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and
>> the
>> true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
>> paragraphs.
>> As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
>> just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat
>> previously
>> got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing,
>> but
>> if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
>> Many thanks for your help.
>> One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
>> between
>> words that could be used in find/replace ?
>> Thanks again
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> --
>> Michael
>

MichaelJB
Tue Aug 05 01:24:08 PDT 2008

Thanks again - both yourself and Suzanne - I have learned a lot of useful
stuff.
Much appreciated again.
--
Michael


"Terry Farrell" wrote:

> Oops. Suzanne is correct. For some weird reason I read space between
> characters instead of words. Yes, just use a space for a single space, two
> spaces to find 2 spaces, 3 for three spaces or ^w for an indeterminate
> string of spaces. etc.
>
> Terry
>
> "Terry Farrell" <terryfarrell@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:89A0ED01-BBA4-48B8-A533-AD643A2E89D3@microsoft.com...
> > Last question first...
> >
> > AFAIAA, the feint dot representing the character space is not a
> > non-printing character in the same way as the Tab arrow or the paragraph
> > pilcrow, so cannot be searched.
> >
> > Going back to the three clean tidy up: at the first step you can search
> > for the .^p (stop+paragraph mark) - which should only occur at the end of
> > a paragraph - instead of ^p^p and replace with the code. Then the three
> > pass clean up will work.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
> >> Thanks Terry
> >> I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para
> >> marks
> >> at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on
> >> all
> >> the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as
> >> there
> >> are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles
> >> into
> >> singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
> >> changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and
> >> the
> >> true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
> >> paragraphs.
> >> As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
> >> just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat
> >> previously
> >> got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing,
> >> but
> >> if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
> >> Many thanks for your help.
> >> One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
> >> between
> >> words that could be used in find/replace ?
> >> Thanks again
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> --
> >> Michael
> >
>

MichaelJB
Tue Aug 05 07:15:02 PDT 2008

Hi again both - I have cracked the problem - purely by chance I think.
I re-formatted some saved downloaded text and re-ran autoformat and it
worked - all line end para marks disappeared.
It appears that the text downloaded ( although shown as formatted Plain Text
) actually comes in as HTML preformatted - as displayed in the "style"
taskbar field. . Select all - change style to Normal - and then autoformat
works.
It is some time since I actually worked with the downloaded files, and I
suspect that when I was doing it previosuly I could well have done the
changes in style and fonts plus justification BEFORE autoformat.
Anyway - at least it clarifies my problem - it doesn't seem to have happened
to anyone else but at least we 3 know about it !
Thanks again
--
Michael


"Michael JB" wrote:

> Thanks again - both yourself and Suzanne - I have learned a lot of useful
> stuff.
> Much appreciated again.
> --
> Michael
>
>
> "Terry Farrell" wrote:
>
> > Oops. Suzanne is correct. For some weird reason I read space between
> > characters instead of words. Yes, just use a space for a single space, two
> > spaces to find 2 spaces, 3 for three spaces or ^w for an indeterminate
> > string of spaces. etc.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > "Terry Farrell" <terryfarrell@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:89A0ED01-BBA4-48B8-A533-AD643A2E89D3@microsoft.com...
> > > Last question first...
> > >
> > > AFAIAA, the feint dot representing the character space is not a
> > > non-printing character in the same way as the Tab arrow or the paragraph
> > > pilcrow, so cannot be searched.
> > >
> > > Going back to the three clean tidy up: at the first step you can search
> > > for the .^p (stop+paragraph mark) - which should only occur at the end of
> > > a paragraph - instead of ^p^p and replace with the code. Then the three
> > > pass clean up will work.
> > >
> > > Terry
> > >
> > > "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
> > >> Thanks Terry
> > >> I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single para
> > >> marks
> > >> at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph, and on
> > >> all
> > >> the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them - as
> > >> there
> > >> are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the doubles
> > >> into
> > >> singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any find/replace
> > >> changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change, and
> > >> the
> > >> true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
> > >> paragraphs.
> > >> As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I can
> > >> just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat
> > >> previously
> > >> got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth doing,
> > >> but
> > >> if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
> > >> Many thanks for your help.
> > >> One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
> > >> between
> > >> words that could be used in find/replace ?
> > >> Thanks again
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> --
> > >> Michael
> > >
> >

Suzanne
Tue Aug 05 08:22:07 PDT 2008

Thanks for the feedback. Webby stuff does seem more and more likely to
intrude on Word documents these days.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:ACED58FC-277A-4F96-AFD8-D30D4205EB87@microsoft.com...
> Hi again both - I have cracked the problem - purely by chance I think.
> I re-formatted some saved downloaded text and re-ran autoformat and it
> worked - all line end para marks disappeared.
> It appears that the text downloaded ( although shown as formatted Plain
> Text
> ) actually comes in as HTML preformatted - as displayed in the "style"
> taskbar field. . Select all - change style to Normal - and then autoformat
> works.
> It is some time since I actually worked with the downloaded files, and I
> suspect that when I was doing it previosuly I could well have done the
> changes in style and fonts plus justification BEFORE autoformat.
> Anyway - at least it clarifies my problem - it doesn't seem to have
> happened
> to anyone else but at least we 3 know about it !
> Thanks again
> --
> Michael
>
>
> "Michael JB" wrote:
>
>> Thanks again - both yourself and Suzanne - I have learned a lot of useful
>> stuff.
>> Much appreciated again.
>> --
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> "Terry Farrell" wrote:
>>
>> > Oops. Suzanne is correct. For some weird reason I read space between
>> > characters instead of words. Yes, just use a space for a single space,
>> > two
>> > spaces to find 2 spaces, 3 for three spaces or ^w for an indeterminate
>> > string of spaces. etc.
>> >
>> > Terry
>> >
>> > "Terry Farrell" <terryfarrell@msn.com> wrote in message
>> > news:89A0ED01-BBA4-48B8-A533-AD643A2E89D3@microsoft.com...
>> > > Last question first...
>> > >
>> > > AFAIAA, the feint dot representing the character space is not a
>> > > non-printing character in the same way as the Tab arrow or the
>> > > paragraph
>> > > pilcrow, so cannot be searched.
>> > >
>> > > Going back to the three clean tidy up: at the first step you can
>> > > search
>> > > for the .^p (stop+paragraph mark) - which should only occur at the
>> > > end of
>> > > a paragraph - instead of ^p^p and replace with the code. Then the
>> > > three
>> > > pass clean up will work.
>> > >
>> > > Terry
>> > >
>> > > "Michael JB" <MichaelJB@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:636D9181-1D3C-4D8B-8A02-997441892164@microsoft.com...
>> > >> Thanks Terry
>> > >> I explained things badly - unfortunately the text only has single
>> > >> para
>> > >> marks
>> > >> at the end of the lines, and at the end of the genuine paragraph,
>> > >> and on
>> > >> all
>> > >> the spacer lines, so there is nothing to distinguish between them -
>> > >> as
>> > >> there
>> > >> are no doubles I can't just get rid of the singles, and turn the
>> > >> doubles
>> > >> into
>> > >> singles - I can only deal with singles, and obviously any
>> > >> find/replace
>> > >> changes them ALL, both the line ends that I actually want to change,
>> > >> and
>> > >> the
>> > >> true para ends that I need to keep, and the spacer lines between
>> > >> paragraphs.
>> > >> As the downloaded text is of books that I want to read personally, I
>> > >> can
>> > >> just about live with the badly formatted result - as autoformat
>> > >> previously
>> > >> got rid of the unwanted line ends in a single pass this was worth
>> > >> doing,
>> > >> but
>> > >> if this no longer works I will just have to accept this.
>> > >> Many thanks for your help.
>> > >> One last thing - is there a ^something that equates to the space dot
>> > >> between
>> > >> words that could be used in find/replace ?
>> > >> Thanks again
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers
>> > >> --
>> > >> Michael
>> > >
>> >