windows protection error

Last couple of days I've been getting "Windows protection error. You
need to restart your computer. System halted." This is usually only on
a cold boot, but occasionally on a restart. When powered off then
restarted it boots to windows fine. If "Enable startup menu" is
checked in msconfig/advanced and left to start on "Normal", it also
boots fine. I can't find anything in the MS KB or online that deals
with this exact situation. Any guidance in troubleshooting this would
be most appreciated. I also occasionally get a freeze when double
clicking My Computer on the desktop, yet if I right click then "open"
it is fine. Can this be related?
TIA
DFB
"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas

Noel
Sat Nov 13 01:07:33 CST 2004

This sounds as if it could be a hardware problem - most likely a loose
connection inside the case. If you're not happy messing around inside, then
take it to a shop for investigation.
If your reasonably careful, you should be able to remove the cover, and
check that all connections are properly seated (remember to ground yourself,
and turn off the machine at the mains socket first!!).

See if that helps.

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"MisterSkippy" <MisterSkippy@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Last couple of days I've been getting "Windows protection error. You
> need to restart your computer. System halted." This is usually only on
> a cold boot, but occasionally on a restart. When powered off then
> restarted it boots to windows fine. If "Enable startup menu" is
> checked in msconfig/advanced and left to start on "Normal", it also
> boots fine. I can't find anything in the MS KB or online that deals
> with this exact situation. Any guidance in troubleshooting this would
> be most appreciated. I also occasionally get a freeze when double
> clicking My Computer on the desktop, yet if I right click then "open"
> it is fine. Can this be related?
> TIA
> DFB
> "When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
> constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters
> into
> his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
> - Justice William O. Douglas

MisterSkippy
Sat Nov 13 13:21:29 CST 2004

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:07:33 -0000, "Noel Paton"
<NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>This sounds as if it could be a hardware problem - most likely a loose
>connection inside the case. If you're not happy messing around inside, then
>take it to a shop for investigation.
>If your reasonably careful, you should be able to remove the cover, and
>check that all connections are properly seated (remember to ground yourself,
>and turn off the machine at the mains socket first!!).
>
>See if that helps.

Many thanks for the timely response and the guidance. I have a bit of
experience with various upgrades so I'm aware of the precautions
needed. For some reason I had a "software" mind set on this. Glad to
be pointed in the right direction.
Regards
DFB
"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas

Noel
Sat Nov 13 13:48:10 CST 2004

Let us know what happens!
Good Luck

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"MisterSkippy" <MisterSkippy@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:07:33 -0000, "Noel Paton"
> <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>This sounds as if it could be a hardware problem - most likely a loose
>>connection inside the case. If you're not happy messing around inside,
>>then
>>take it to a shop for investigation.
>>If your reasonably careful, you should be able to remove the cover, and
>>check that all connections are properly seated (remember to ground
>>yourself,
>>and turn off the machine at the mains socket first!!).
>>
>>See if that helps.
>
> Many thanks for the timely response and the guidance. I have a bit of
> experience with various upgrades so I'm aware of the precautions
> needed. For some reason I had a "software" mind set on this. Glad to
> be pointed in the right direction.
> Regards
> DFB
> "When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
> constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters
> into
> his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
> - Justice William O. Douglas

MisterSkippy
Thu Nov 18 10:35:10 CST 2004

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:48:10 -0000, "Noel Paton"
<NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Let us know what happens!
>Good Luck

Noel,
Many thanks for the assistance. I checked and reset all the internal
connections including RAM, CPU, power, cards, ribbons, etc. I still
get the error on boot up unless "enable startup menu" is checked in
msconfig/general/advanced. Opening "my computer" will still freeze the
system but I can open it by right clicking the desktop icon then left
clicking "open". If you have any more suggestions I'd be more than
willing to try them. At least the machine still runs fine if handled
correctly and I don't overtax the processor.
Again, many thanks.




"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas

Noel
Thu Nov 18 14:04:47 CST 2004

OK - it does sound as if it may be software-related, then.......
What happens on a boot to Safe Mode???
What if you try a SCANREG /FIX from the command prompt??
Can you monitor the processor temperature in any way (try Everest Home
Edition - www.lavalys.com)??


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"MisterSkippy" <MisterSkippy@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:48:10 -0000, "Noel Paton"
> <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>Let us know what happens!
>>Good Luck
>
> Noel,
> Many thanks for the assistance. I checked and reset all the internal
> connections including RAM, CPU, power, cards, ribbons, etc. I still
> get the error on boot up unless "enable startup menu" is checked in
> msconfig/general/advanced. Opening "my computer" will still freeze the
> system but I can open it by right clicking the desktop icon then left
> clicking "open". If you have any more suggestions I'd be more than
> willing to try them. At least the machine still runs fine if handled
> correctly and I don't overtax the processor.
> Again, many thanks.
>
>
>
>
> "When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
> constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters
> into
> his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
> - Justice William O. Douglas

MisterSkippy
Sun Nov 21 11:31:08 CST 2004

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:04:47 -0000, "Noel Paton"
<NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>OK - it does sound as if it may be software-related, then.......
>What happens on a boot to Safe Mode???
>What if you try a SCANREG /FIX from the command prompt??
>Can you monitor the processor temperature in any way (try Everest Home
>Edition - www.lavalys.com)??


Just for the heck of it I unchecked "enable startup menu" from
msconfig/general/advanced before I did anything else. Lo and behold,
the problem disappeared and it now boots up fine. I had opened the
case and checked all the connections and that did not solve the
problem.
Too bad it "healed" itself, as I was rationalizing the need to buy a
new, faster system. A 300 Celeron with 256 megs of RAM is a bit
sluggish even with broadband.
Many thanks for your guidance through this.
DFB




"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas

Noel
Sun Nov 21 11:43:51 CST 2004

If unchecking Startup menu cured the problem on its own, the it was a VERY
strange problem, as all that does is change one Byte in one file - which
almost certainly is not enough to cure/cause the problem.
try re-checking the entry - does the problem recur?


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"MisterSkippy" <MisterSkippy@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:04:47 -0000, "Noel Paton"
> <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>OK - it does sound as if it may be software-related, then.......
>>What happens on a boot to Safe Mode???
>>What if you try a SCANREG /FIX from the command prompt??
>>Can you monitor the processor temperature in any way (try Everest Home
>>Edition - www.lavalys.com)??
>
>
> Just for the heck of it I unchecked "enable startup menu" from
> msconfig/general/advanced before I did anything else. Lo and behold,
> the problem disappeared and it now boots up fine. I had opened the
> case and checked all the connections and that did not solve the
> problem.
> Too bad it "healed" itself, as I was rationalizing the need to buy a
> new, faster system. A 300 Celeron with 256 megs of RAM is a bit
> sluggish even with broadband.
> Many thanks for your guidance through this.
> DFB
>
>
>
>
> "When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
> constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters
> into
> his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
> - Justice William O. Douglas

MisterSkippy
Mon Nov 22 21:00:58 CST 2004

On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:43:51 -0000, "Noel Paton"
<NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>If unchecking Startup menu cured the problem on its own, the it was a VERY
>strange problem, as all that does is change one Byte in one file - which
>almost certainly is not enough to cure/cause the problem.
>try re-checking the entry - does the problem recur?

Actually, when checking the box fixed the problem originally and un
checking made it reoccur, I left it checked for a while and unchecked
it again yesterday as a test. That is when I discovered the problem
had vanished. Checked or unchecked, the machine boots up without the
error now. Several repeated cold boots and restarts, both checked and
unchecked, confirmed this.
I'm just happy it works.
Regards
DFB




"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas

Noel
Tue Nov 23 01:07:50 CST 2004

Don't you just *love* technology? - just like magic! :)

Whatever - good luck!

--
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"MisterSkippy" <MisterSkippy@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Nov 2004 17:43:51 -0000, "Noel Paton"
> <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
>>If unchecking Startup menu cured the problem on its own, the it was a VERY
>>strange problem, as all that does is change one Byte in one file - which
>>almost certainly is not enough to cure/cause the problem.
>>try re-checking the entry - does the problem recur?
>
> Actually, when checking the box fixed the problem originally and un
> checking made it reoccur, I left it checked for a while and unchecked
> it again yesterday as a test. That is when I discovered the problem
> had vanished. Checked or unchecked, the machine boots up without the
> error now. Several repeated cold boots and restarts, both checked and
> unchecked, confirmed this.
> I'm just happy it works.
> Regards
> DFB
>
>
>
>
> "When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
> constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters
> into
> his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
> - Justice William O. Douglas

MisterSkippy
Tue Nov 23 17:20:18 CST 2004

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:07:50 -0000, "Noel Paton"
<NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>Don't you just *love* technology? - just like magic! :)
>
>Whatever - good luck!

For sure! I just don't question the occasional bit of serendipity.
Mostly, we just get bitten on the ass and never figure out why.
Sometimes, for no fathomable reason, the process reverses itself.
Maybe I was due.
Again, Noel, thanks for all your assistance.




"When a legislature undertakes to proscribe the exercise of a citizen's
constitutional rights it acts lawlessly and the citizen can take matters into
his own hands and proceed on the basis that such a law is no law at all."
- Justice William O. Douglas