tahoma font

I have WIndows ME on my laptop, and need to install a later version of tahoma
font than the one already in the FONTS folder. I get the message "tahoma
already installed, delete old version first", and cannot delete the existing
version. Nothing happens when I try to delete it - the "delete" is just
ignored. I understand that this may be because Windows does need to have
tahoma for some reason and therefore does now alllow its deletion.
Has anyone had or heard about this problem?
ANy suggestions how to get the later version installed?
Thanks
SM

Mike
Thu Jun 30 04:04:13 CDT 2005

The Tahoma font is protected against being either deleted or changed by
Win Me's system file protection mechanism. Why do you feel you need to
change this font?
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


SM <SM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I have WIndows ME on my laptop, and need to install a later version
> of tahoma font than the one already in the FONTS folder. I get the
> message "tahoma already installed, delete old version first", and
> cannot delete the existing version. Nothing happens when I try to
> delete it - the "delete" is just ignored. I understand that this may
> be because Windows does need to have tahoma for some reason and
> therefore does now alllow its deletion.
> Has anyone had or heard about this problem?
> ANy suggestions how to get the later version installed?
> Thanks
> SM

SM
Thu Jun 30 22:31:01 CDT 2005

Thanks for your response.
I need to use a version of tahoma set up to interpret special fonts in other
languages. Without this modified version, the fonts in other languages are
not displayed 100% correctly. The modified version of tahoma is downloaded
from the site of those who produce material in other languages, and they
recommend that their version of tahoma is installed.

Why they have chosen to do it in this way, I do not know, and am not in a
position to argue against it.

But it looks as if there is no solution and I have to do the best I can
reading partially-correct displayed text on the screen.

Thanks again
SM


"Mike M" wrote:

> The Tahoma font is protected against being either deleted or changed by
> Win Me's system file protection mechanism. Why do you feel you need to
> change this font?
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> SM <SM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I have WIndows ME on my laptop, and need to install a later version
> > of tahoma font than the one already in the FONTS folder. I get the
> > message "tahoma already installed, delete old version first", and
> > cannot delete the existing version. Nothing happens when I try to
> > delete it - the "delete" is just ignored. I understand that this may
> > be because Windows does need to have tahoma for some reason and
> > therefore does now alllow its deletion.
> > Has anyone had or heard about this problem?
> > ANy suggestions how to get the later version installed?
> > Thanks
> > SM
>
>

Mart
Fri Jul 01 04:15:48 CDT 2005

'Scuse my jumping in Mike <g>

Two *possible* options :-

Re-name the 'new' font as Tahoma2 and install it normally in the Font
manager (Control Panel), then select that font in your application - if it
will let you! (And it's a 'poor do' if it won't <g>)

If you really must, try replacing the font in Safe Mode. It *may* allow you
to do it there, rather than in Normal Mode. Or do it in (Real Mode) DOS, if
necessary!

Mart


"SM" <SM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8C1C406D-F76A-4D1F-8B08-EA4FBBDAECF9@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for your response.
> I need to use a version of tahoma set up to interpret special fonts in
> other
> languages. Without this modified version, the fonts in other languages are
> not displayed 100% correctly. The modified version of tahoma is downloaded
> from the site of those who produce material in other languages, and they
> recommend that their version of tahoma is installed.
>
> Why they have chosen to do it in this way, I do not know, and am not in a
> position to argue against it.
>
> But it looks as if there is no solution and I have to do the best I can
> reading partially-correct displayed text on the screen.
>
> Thanks again
> SM
>
>
> "Mike M" wrote:
>
>> The Tahoma font is protected against being either deleted or changed by
>> Win Me's system file protection mechanism. Why do you feel you need to
>> change this font?
>> --
>> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> SM <SM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I have WIndows ME on my laptop, and need to install a later version
>> > of tahoma font than the one already in the FONTS folder. I get the
>> > message "tahoma already installed, delete old version first", and
>> > cannot delete the existing version. Nothing happens when I try to
>> > delete it - the "delete" is just ignored. I understand that this may
>> > be because Windows does need to have tahoma for some reason and
>> > therefore does now alllow its deletion.
>> > Has anyone had or heard about this problem?
>> > ANy suggestions how to get the later version installed?
>> > Thanks
>> > SM
>>
>>

Mike
Fri Jul 01 05:18:21 CDT 2005

Mart,

I don't think renaming will help but Safe Mode may work. Failing that I
would boot to DOS as you suggest and replace the existing tahoma.ttf files
with the required versions as the registry doesn't record the version and
the system should hopefully just use the new font when booted back into
Win Me.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> 'Scuse my jumping in Mike <g>
>
> Two *possible* options :-
>
> Re-name the 'new' font as Tahoma2 and install it normally in the Font
> manager (Control Panel), then select that font in your application -
> if it will let you! (And it's a 'poor do' if it won't <g>)
>
> If you really must, try replacing the font in Safe Mode. It *may*
> allow you to do it there, rather than in Normal Mode. Or do it in
> (Real Mode) DOS, if necessary!

SM
Fri Jul 01 21:25:02 CDT 2005

Mart and Mike - Thanks for your response.

I had tried renaming, it is just ignored - any attempt to rename, delete, or
overwrite is just ignored.

How do you start the computer in Safe Mode, or in DOS?

In general, is tahoma protection a matter for Windows ME or is it also true
in other versions of Windows? If it applies to other versions, I wonder why
the providers of the modified version of tahoma are not aware of the problem,
and recommend something that is not implementable - if they are aware of the
problem, why they do not offer a solution on how to overcome the problem, or
develop an alternative method of accessing the necessary fonts.

Thanks again
SM



"Mike M" wrote:

> Mart,
>
> I don't think renaming will help but Safe Mode may work. Failing that I
> would boot to DOS as you suggest and replace the existing tahoma.ttf files
> with the required versions as the registry doesn't record the version and
> the system should hopefully just use the new font when booted back into
> Win Me.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>
> > 'Scuse my jumping in Mike <g>
> >
> > Two *possible* options :-
> >
> > Re-name the 'new' font as Tahoma2 and install it normally in the Font
> > manager (Control Panel), then select that font in your application -
> > if it will let you! (And it's a 'poor do' if it won't <g>)
> >
> > If you really must, try replacing the font in Safe Mode. It *may*
> > allow you to do it there, rather than in Normal Mode. Or do it in
> > (Real Mode) DOS, if necessary!
>
>

Noel
Sat Jul 02 00:36:19 CDT 2005

AFAIK, the protection is offered only in Win ME and Win XP - but the
software makers should not be attempting to replace system fonts,in any
case!

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm

http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

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"SM" <SM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F954BD21-B0FC-469E-9E3E-F53AAA9E0DFF@microsoft.com...
> Mart and Mike - Thanks for your response.
>
> I had tried renaming, it is just ignored - any attempt to rename, delete,
> or
> overwrite is just ignored.
>
> How do you start the computer in Safe Mode, or in DOS?
>
> In general, is tahoma protection a matter for Windows ME or is it also
> true
> in other versions of Windows? If it applies to other versions, I wonder
> why
> the providers of the modified version of tahoma are not aware of the
> problem,
> and recommend something that is not implementable - if they are aware of
> the
> problem, why they do not offer a solution on how to overcome the problem,
> or
> develop an alternative method of accessing the necessary fonts.
>
> Thanks again
> SM
>
>
>
> "Mike M" wrote:
>
>> Mart,
>>
>> I don't think renaming will help but Safe Mode may work. Failing that I
>> would boot to DOS as you suggest and replace the existing tahoma.ttf
>> files
>> with the required versions as the registry doesn't record the version and
>> the system should hopefully just use the new font when booted back into
>> Win Me.
>> --
>> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>
>> > 'Scuse my jumping in Mike <g>
>> >
>> > Two *possible* options :-
>> >
>> > Re-name the 'new' font as Tahoma2 and install it normally in the Font
>> > manager (Control Panel), then select that font in your application -
>> > if it will let you! (And it's a 'poor do' if it won't <g>)
>> >
>> > If you really must, try replacing the font in Safe Mode. It *may*
>> > allow you to do it there, rather than in Normal Mode. Or do it in
>> > (Real Mode) DOS, if necessary!
>>
>>

Mart
Sat Jul 02 03:30:15 CDT 2005

SM wrote :-

> I had tried renaming, it is just ignored - any attempt to rename, delete,
> or
> overwrite is just ignored.

I meant for you to rename your 'new' copy of tahoma (the one you downloaded
and have to install) BEFORE you actually install it - but on hindsight
(Mikes post) maybe that is not a particularly useful option, your program
may still not recognise it even though you could access the 'new' font in
other applications (e.g. WordPad). But still, it IS an option <g>

> How do you start the computer in Safe Mode, or in DOS?

To get into Safe Mode :- There is an 'Official' (documented) MS method for
WinMe - as per a search for 'safe mode' in Help and Support Centre will
find - by holding down or 'stabbing at' the Ctrl or the F8 keys.

A further couple of 'Unofficial' methods are by using the Shift key as
above, or when your machine is running in Normal Mode, run msconfig.exe and
on the General tab, select Advanced and check the 'Enable Startup Menu' box.
(Not forgetting to disable it when you've finished <g>)

To get into (Real Mode) DOS :- Simply boot, using your WinMe Startup
(floppy) Disk inserted into the A: Drive.

> ... I wonder why
> the providers of the modified version of tahoma are not aware of the
> problem,
> and recommend something that is not implementable - if they are aware of
> the
> problem, why they do not offer a solution on how to overcome the problem,
> or
> develop an alternative method of accessing the necessary fonts.

Something you need to take up with the providers, but either way, I agree
with Noel's point :- "the software makers should not be attempting to
replace system fonts, in any case!".

The consensus is to leave well alone <g> but I suppose you could still try
my first suggestion, above and see if that works.. At least it won't
overwrite the 'official' MS version of tahoma.ttf. The theoretical solutions
are there - it's up to you if you want to implement them.

Mart



"SM" <SM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F954BD21-B0FC-469E-9E3E-F53AAA9E0DFF@microsoft.com...
> Mart and Mike - Thanks for your response.
>
> I had tried renaming, it is just ignored - any attempt to rename, delete,
> or
> overwrite is just ignored.
>
> How do you start the computer in Safe Mode, or in DOS?
>
> In general, is tahoma protection a matter for Windows ME or is it also
> true
> in other versions of Windows? If it applies to other versions, I wonder
> why
> the providers of the modified version of tahoma are not aware of the
> problem,
> and recommend something that is not implementable - if they are aware of
> the
> problem, why they do not offer a solution on how to overcome the problem,
> or
> develop an alternative method of accessing the necessary fonts.
>
> Thanks again
> SM
>
>
>
> "Mike M" wrote:
>
>> Mart,
>>
>> I don't think renaming will help but Safe Mode may work. Failing that I
>> would boot to DOS as you suggest and replace the existing tahoma.ttf
>> files
>> with the required versions as the registry doesn't record the version and
>> the system should hopefully just use the new font when booted back into
>> Win Me.
>> --
>> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>
>> > 'Scuse my jumping in Mike <g>
>> >
>> > Two *possible* options :-
>> >
>> > Re-name the 'new' font as Tahoma2 and install it normally in the Font
>> > manager (Control Panel), then select that font in your application -
>> > if it will let you! (And it's a 'poor do' if it won't <g>)
>> >
>> > If you really must, try replacing the font in Safe Mode. It *may*
>> > allow you to do it there, rather than in Normal Mode. Or do it in
>> > (Real Mode) DOS, if necessary!
>>
>>

Shane
Sat Jul 02 04:33:10 CDT 2005

afaicr you have to boot to DOS in Win 98 to do so too. The system fonts are
protected as per the files listed in the KnownGoodDLLs reg key.

Shane

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> AFAIK, the protection is offered only in Win ME and Win XP - but the
> software makers should not be attempting to replace system fonts,in any
> case!
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "SM" <SM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F954BD21-B0FC-469E-9E3E-F53AAA9E0DFF@microsoft.com...
>> Mart and Mike - Thanks for your response.
>>
>> I had tried renaming, it is just ignored - any attempt to rename, delete,
>> or
>> overwrite is just ignored.
>>
>> How do you start the computer in Safe Mode, or in DOS?
>>
>> In general, is tahoma protection a matter for Windows ME or is it also
>> true
>> in other versions of Windows? If it applies to other versions, I wonder
>> why
>> the providers of the modified version of tahoma are not aware of the
>> problem,
>> and recommend something that is not implementable - if they are aware of
>> the
>> problem, why they do not offer a solution on how to overcome the problem,
>> or
>> develop an alternative method of accessing the necessary fonts.
>>
>> Thanks again
>> SM
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike M" wrote:
>>
>>> Mart,
>>>
>>> I don't think renaming will help but Safe Mode may work. Failing that I
>>> would boot to DOS as you suggest and replace the existing tahoma.ttf
>>> files
>>> with the required versions as the registry doesn't record the version
>>> and
>>> the system should hopefully just use the new font when booted back into
>>> Win Me.
>>> --
>>> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>>> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Mart <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:
>>>
>>> > 'Scuse my jumping in Mike <g>
>>> >
>>> > Two *possible* options :-
>>> >
>>> > Re-name the 'new' font as Tahoma2 and install it normally in the Font
>>> > manager (Control Panel), then select that font in your application -
>>> > if it will let you! (And it's a 'poor do' if it won't <g>)
>>> >
>>> > If you really must, try replacing the font in Safe Mode. It *may*
>>> > allow you to do it there, rather than in Normal Mode. Or do it in
>>> > (Real Mode) DOS, if necessary!
>>>
>>>
>
>