system restore problem

Hi, I wonder if anyone can advise me. I am unable to enable my system
restore..when I go to "system/performance/file system/troubleshooting" the
'disable system restore' box is checked, when I uncheck it and then reboot,
it is checked again when I boot up. I also am only able to defrag in safe
mode now. Is there something I can do to remedy this problem? Thank you.

Mike
Wed Nov 10 15:30:55 CST 2004

If you cannot uncheck the disable SR entry found at System | Performance |
File System | Troubleshooting check the following:
Do you have at least 300MB of free space on the drive containing your
windows folder?
Is the *StateMgr entry still present and checked in MSConfig | Startup?
Is stmgr.exe running? You can check this using either a process monitor
such as WinTop or TaskInfo or by using MSInfo32 (Start | Help & Support |
System Information) and checking for stmgr.exe in the section Software
Environment | Running Tasks.

If all of the above are OK then I think that the best way forward would be
to remove the _RESTORE folder and allow the state manager to rebuild the
necessary control files which have probably become corrupted. Delete the
folder as follows:
a) Boot to DOS using a floppy. Do NOT choose "Minimal Boot" from the menu
when booting from a floppy but rather choose "Start computer with (or
without) CD-ROM support" otherwise the ATTRIB command will not be
available.
b) At the DOS A:\> prompt, type:

ATTRIB -H -S -R C:\_RESTORE
then
REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST

c) Remove the floppy
d) Reboot your PC
e) Delete the folder C:\OLDREST
f) Check that an automatic system restore checkpoint was created.
g) Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the restore
slider to your preferred setting. A figure of 200MB is normally more
than adequate for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to
be available although increasing this to perhaps 400MB for a few days
during periods of large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable.

It might now be a good time to test that system restore is working
correctly. You can do this by performing the following test.
a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
b) Create a manual checkpoint
Could you create a checkpoint?
c) Delete the shortcut
d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created.
Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
e) Reboot your PC
Was the checkpoint retained?
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


Mary <Mary@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi, I wonder if anyone can advise me. I am unable to enable my system
> restore..when I go to "system/performance/file
> system/troubleshooting" the 'disable system restore' box is checked,
> when I uncheck it and then reboot, it is checked again when I boot
> up. I also am only able to defrag in safe mode now. Is there
> something I can do to remedy this problem? Thank you.

Mary
Wed Nov 10 17:44:01 CST 2004

Thank you , Mike, it wasn't checked in my start up, everything is ok now (i
hope) :-)

"Mike M" wrote:

> If you cannot uncheck the disable SR entry found at System | Performance |
> File System | Troubleshooting check the following:
> Do you have at least 300MB of free space on the drive containing your
> windows folder?
> Is the *StateMgr entry still present and checked in MSConfig | Startup?
> Is stmgr.exe running? You can check this using either a process monitor
> such as WinTop or TaskInfo or by using MSInfo32 (Start | Help & Support |
> System Information) and checking for stmgr.exe in the section Software
> Environment | Running Tasks.
>
> If all of the above are OK then I think that the best way forward would be
> to remove the _RESTORE folder and allow the state manager to rebuild the
> necessary control files which have probably become corrupted. Delete the
> folder as follows:
> a) Boot to DOS using a floppy. Do NOT choose "Minimal Boot" from the menu
> when booting from a floppy but rather choose "Start computer with (or
> without) CD-ROM support" otherwise the ATTRIB command will not be
> available.
> b) At the DOS A:\> prompt, type:
>
> ATTRIB -H -S -R C:\_RESTORE
> then
> REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST
>
> c) Remove the floppy
> d) Reboot your PC
> e) Delete the folder C:\OLDREST
> f) Check that an automatic system restore checkpoint was created.
> g) Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
> System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the restore
> slider to your preferred setting. A figure of 200MB is normally more
> than adequate for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to
> be available although increasing this to perhaps 400MB for a few days
> during periods of large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable.
>
> It might now be a good time to test that system restore is working
> correctly. You can do this by performing the following test.
> a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
> b) Create a manual checkpoint
> Could you create a checkpoint?
> c) Delete the shortcut
> d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created.
> Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
> e) Reboot your PC
> Was the checkpoint retained?
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mcmaltby@hotmail.com
>
>
> Mary <Mary@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I wonder if anyone can advise me. I am unable to enable my system
> > restore..when I go to "system/performance/file
> > system/troubleshooting" the 'disable system restore' box is checked,
> > when I uncheck it and then reboot, it is checked again when I boot
> > up. I also am only able to defrag in safe mode now. Is there
> > something I can do to remedy this problem? Thank you.
>
>

Mike
Wed Nov 10 17:58:57 CST 2004

Mary,

I'm pleased to read you've now managed to solve the problem. As for the
"I hope", why not try the quick test I suggested at the end of my last
post. :-)

Cheers.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


Mary <Mary@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Thank you , Mike, it wasn't checked in my start up, everything is ok
> now (i hope) :-)

Bar54
Mon Jan 24 04:15:02 CST 2005

Mike,
I have the same problem, but I answer "Yes" to at least 300MB and "No" to
the *StateMgr and stmgr.exe.
What do you do in this case.
Thanks
Jodie

"Mike M" wrote:

> If you cannot uncheck the disable SR entry found at System | Performance |
> File System | Troubleshooting check the following:
> Do you have at least 300MB of free space on the drive containing your
> windows folder?
> Is the *StateMgr entry still present and checked in MSConfig | Startup?
> Is stmgr.exe running? You can check this using either a process monitor
> such as WinTop or TaskInfo or by using MSInfo32 (Start | Help & Support |
> System Information) and checking for stmgr.exe in the section Software
> Environment | Running Tasks.
>
> If all of the above are OK then I think that the best way forward would be
> to remove the _RESTORE folder and allow the state manager to rebuild the
> necessary control files which have probably become corrupted. Delete the
> folder as follows:
> a) Boot to DOS using a floppy. Do NOT choose "Minimal Boot" from the menu
> when booting from a floppy but rather choose "Start computer with (or
> without) CD-ROM support" otherwise the ATTRIB command will not be
> available.
> b) At the DOS A:\> prompt, type:
>
> ATTRIB -H -S -R C:\_RESTORE
> then
> REN C:\_RESTORE OLDREST
>
> c) Remove the floppy
> d) Reboot your PC
> e) Delete the folder C:\OLDREST
> f) Check that an automatic system restore checkpoint was created.
> g) Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder:
> System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the restore
> slider to your preferred setting. A figure of 200MB is normally more
> than adequate for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to
> be available although increasing this to perhaps 400MB for a few days
> during periods of large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable.
>
> It might now be a good time to test that system restore is working
> correctly. You can do this by performing the following test.
> a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
> b) Create a manual checkpoint
> Could you create a checkpoint?
> c) Delete the shortcut
> d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created.
> Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
> e) Reboot your PC
> Was the checkpoint retained?
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mcmaltby@hotmail.com
>
>
> Mary <Mary@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I wonder if anyone can advise me. I am unable to enable my system
> > restore..when I go to "system/performance/file
> > system/troubleshooting" the 'disable system restore' box is checked,
> > when I uncheck it and then reboot, it is checked again when I boot
> > up. I also am only able to defrag in safe mode now. Is there
> > something I can do to remedy this problem? Thank you.
>
>

Mike
Mon Jan 24 06:57:52 CST 2005

Jodie,

If you don't have the *StateMgr entry checked in the startup axis
(MSConfig | Startup) then the state manager isn't being launched when you
boot Win Me and neither system file protection nor system restore will be
operative. The solution is to check the entry. If for some reason you
don't have this entry then you need to add it back. One method is as
follows:

Make up a file from the lines below. Copy into a file called startup.reg
which should be created in Notepad. Do not retype, copy in case of errors.
The 1st line in the file is the line REGEDIT4
Make sure your news reader does not add any spaces to the end of a line.
The last line must be blank.
Double-click startup.reg or select startup.reg, right click and then Merge
to add the contents to the registry

++++++ copy below this line to startup.reg ++++++

REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices]
"*StateMgr"="C:\\WINDOWS\\System\\Restore\\StateMgr.exe"

//Restores missing *StateMgr entry to MSConfig | Startup

++++++ end file above here

Note that the line beginning [HKEY ends RunServices] although it may get
wrapped to two lines by your newsreader.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> I have the same problem, but I answer "Yes" to at least 300MB and
> "No" to the *StateMgr and stmgr.exe.
> What do you do in this case.
> Thanks

Bar54
Tue Jan 25 17:29:03 CST 2005

Thank you thank you thank you!!
Wonderful service around this place...With most of the other problems fixed
on this machine it looks like it will get to go home tomorrow.

"Mike M" wrote:

> Jodie,
>
> If you don't have the *StateMgr entry checked in the startup axis
> (MSConfig | Startup) then the state manager isn't being launched when you
> boot Win Me and neither system file protection nor system restore will be
> operative. The solution is to check the entry. If for some reason you
> don't have this entry then you need to add it back. One method is as
> follows:
>
> Make up a file from the lines below. Copy into a file called startup.reg
> which should be created in Notepad. Do not retype, copy in case of errors.
> The 1st line in the file is the line REGEDIT4
> Make sure your news reader does not add any spaces to the end of a line.
> The last line must be blank.
> Double-click startup.reg or select startup.reg, right click and then Merge
> to add the contents to the registry
>
> ++++++ copy below this line to startup.reg ++++++
>
> REGEDIT4
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices]
> "*StateMgr"="C:\\WINDOWS\\System\\Restore\\StateMgr.exe"
>
> //Restores missing *StateMgr entry to MSConfig | Startup
>
> ++++++ end file above here
>
> Note that the line beginning [HKEY ends RunServices] although it may get
> wrapped to two lines by your newsreader.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > I have the same problem, but I answer "Yes" to at least 300MB and
> > "No" to the *StateMgr and stmgr.exe.
> > What do you do in this case.
> > Thanks
>
>

Mike
Tue Jan 25 17:44:15 CST 2005

Jodie,

Thanks for the feedback. Sounds to me as if you've been pretty successful
in solving the various problems you faced. If so, well done.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Thank you thank you thank you!!
> Wonderful service around this place...With most of the other problems
> fixed on this machine it looks like it will get to go home tomorrow.

Bar54
Tue Jan 25 17:57:08 CST 2005

Hey have you used the new all-in-one spamware that microsoft has put out? Can
I get rid of Spybot S & D and Adware if I install it? I have not read up on
it yet.
Thanks
I just try to help out friends when the virus' take over, replace bad
hardware ect... I really don't know what I am doing most of the time. I sepnd
most of my time reading either here or the knowledge base LOL.

"Mike M" wrote:

> Jodie,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Sounds to me as if you've been pretty successful
> in solving the various problems you faced. If so, well done.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Thank you thank you thank you!!
> > Wonderful service around this place...With most of the other problems
> > fixed on this machine it looks like it will get to go home tomorrow.
>
>

Mike
Tue Jan 25 18:21:36 CST 2005

Jodie,

Two small points to consider, firstly the Microsoft AntiSpyware
application is in BETA and is some way yet from being a finished product.
I anticipate there being at least one further public beta release before
the product is good enough for real use, and secondly, and of relevance to
those using Win Me, MAS is only suitable for those running Windows 2000,
XP or Win2003 Server.

The jury is still out in so far as judging how good it will be and whether
it belongs with the front line tools used by those fighting spyware and
adware but I feel that it could be pretty good but probably a bit early to
say whether it will replace rather than supplement existing tools such as
AdAware or SpyBot S & D.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hey have you used the new all-in-one spamware that microsoft has put
> out? Can I get rid of Spybot S & D and Adware if I install it? I have
> not read up on it yet.
> Thanks
> I just try to help out friends when the virus' take over, replace bad
> hardware ect... I really don't know what I am doing most of the time.
> I sepnd most of my time reading either here or the knowledge base LOL.

Jack
Tue Jan 25 20:26:03 CST 2005

I concur with Mike. I suspect it will always be necessary, until the
Internet basic protocol is upgraded, to use several anti-spyware tools in
view of the many bad actors in play. As for AV tools, one should only use
one "active" spyware tool, to avoid interference and incompatibilities.
Several "on demand" tools are permissible, since only one will be run at a
time.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:%23mDej0zAFHA.1396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Jodie,
>
> Two small points to consider, firstly the Microsoft AntiSpyware
> application is in BETA and is some way yet from being a finished product.
> I anticipate there being at least one further public beta release before
> the product is good enough for real use, and secondly, and of relevance to
> those using Win Me, MAS is only suitable for those running Windows 2000,
> XP, or Win2003 Server.
>
> The jury is still out in so far as judging how good it will be and whether
> it belongs with the front line tools used by those fighting spyware and
> adware but I feel that it could be pretty good but probably a bit early to
> say whether it will replace rather than supplement existing tools such as
> AdAware or SpyBot S & D.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey have you used the new all-in-one spamware that microsoft has put
> > out? Can I get rid of Spybot S & D and Adware if I install it? I have
> > not read up on it yet.
> > Thanks
> > I just try to help out friends when the virus' take over, replace bad
> > hardware ect... I really don't know what I am doing most of the time.
> > I sepnd most of my time reading either here or the knowledge base LOL.
>

Bar54
Wed Jan 26 23:59:03 CST 2005

Hey thanks guys, I did go read about it. I think I will wait. I don't need
another "undo" project.
Later
Jodie

"Jack E Martinelli" wrote:

> I concur with Mike. I suspect it will always be necessary, until the
> Internet basic protocol is upgraded, to use several anti-spyware tools in
> view of the many bad actors in play. As for AV tools, one should only use
> one "active" spyware tool, to avoid interference and incompatibilities.
> Several "on demand" tools are permissible, since only one will be run at a
> time.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:%23mDej0zAFHA.1396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Jodie,
> >
> > Two small points to consider, firstly the Microsoft AntiSpyware
> > application is in BETA and is some way yet from being a finished product.
> > I anticipate there being at least one further public beta release before
> > the product is good enough for real use, and secondly, and of relevance to
> > those using Win Me, MAS is only suitable for those running Windows 2000,
> > XP, or Win2003 Server.
> >
> > The jury is still out in so far as judging how good it will be and whether
> > it belongs with the front line tools used by those fighting spyware and
> > adware but I feel that it could be pretty good but probably a bit early to
> > say whether it will replace rather than supplement existing tools such as
> > AdAware or SpyBot S & D.
> > --
> > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey have you used the new all-in-one spamware that microsoft has put
> > > out? Can I get rid of Spybot S & D and Adware if I install it? I have
> > > not read up on it yet.
> > > Thanks
> > > I just try to help out friends when the virus' take over, replace bad
> > > hardware ect... I really don't know what I am doing most of the time.
> > > I sepnd most of my time reading either here or the knowledge base LOL.
> >
>
>
>

Jack
Thu Jan 27 11:16:00 CST 2005

As Mike M reported, you will be waiting forever with a WinME machine, as MS
will not produce an anti-spyware tool for Win9X (anytime soon).
Begin with the free Ad-aware SE 1.05, and advance to the free SpyBot 1.3,
when you feel comfortable and ready for it. Consider the inexpensive
Ad-aware Plus for an "active" tool, or the fine Webroot Spy Sweeper.
Don't expect any tool to catch every mal-actor every time!
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
------
"Bar54" <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:59D255EE-8123-4028-A400-8EF629892AB8@microsoft.com...
> Hey thanks guys, I did go read about it. I think I will wait. I don't need
> another "undo" project.
> Later
> Jodie
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" wrote:
>
> > I concur with Mike. I suspect it will always be necessary, until the
> > Internet basic protocol is upgraded, to use several anti-spyware tools
in
> > view of the many bad actors in play. As for AV tools, one should only
use
> > one "active" spyware tool, to avoid interference and incompatibilities.
> > Several "on demand" tools are permissible, since only one will be run at
a
> > time.
> > --
> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > ------
> > "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> > news:%23mDej0zAFHA.1396@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Jodie,
> > >
> > > Two small points to consider, firstly the Microsoft AntiSpyware
> > > application is in BETA and is some way yet from being a finished
product.
> > > I anticipate there being at least one further public beta release
before
> > > the product is good enough for real use, and secondly, and of
relevance to
> > > those using Win Me, MAS is only suitable for those running Windows
2000,
> > > XP, or Win2003 Server.
> > >
> > > The jury is still out in so far as judging how good it will be and
whether
> > > it belongs with the front line tools used by those fighting spyware
and
> > > adware but I feel that it could be pretty good but probably a bit
early to
> > > say whether it will replace rather than supplement existing tools such
as
> > > AdAware or SpyBot S & D.
> > > --
> > > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Bar54 <Bar54@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey have you used the new all-in-one spamware that microsoft has put
> > > > out? Can I get rid of Spybot S & D and Adware if I install it? I
have
> > > > not read up on it yet.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > I just try to help out friends when the virus' take over, replace
bad
> > > > hardware ect... I really don't know what I am doing most of the
time.
> > > > I sepnd most of my time reading either here or the knowledge base
LOL.
> > >