Hi from Ohio, lately I have been getting an occasional
message about low resources. on a reboot I show about 65%
available but they quickly get used up and I can go down
as low as 8%. At this level new windows won't open and
even though I close about everything down it never gets
back to 65%. I closed down system restore and it helped a
little. Never works for me anyway. Looks like outlook
express takes about 21 mb and ms messenger about 11 mb. I
don't even use messenger. can I uninstall it without
having any problem with express. What can I eliminate from
my startup to save resources. when I close everything
except explorer and systray, I still have 33 processes
running according to ad-aware. Dell 4100, 512 ram. Zone
Alarm, Ad-aware, Norton Virus and McAfee, popup stopper
are the progams I run all the time. Never seemed to bother
anything until recently. Thanks

Re: system resources by Mike

Mike
Thu Apr 22 09:33:13 CDT 2004

You appear quite understandably to be a little confused. Resources have
nothing to do with either disk space or memory but rather refer to two small
64KB stacks used by the system for 16 bit applications and modules. The size
of these stacks cannot be increased. Shutting down system restore (I wonder
how you did that, I have to assume you mean you disabled it in the GUI) will
have made no difference and not running Outlook Express and Messenger will
only affect free resources slightly.

You have already identified the cause of your problem, namely some of those 33
processes you have running when you have shut down all but systray and
explorer. Whilst a few of those are basic Win Me services that cannot be
stopped without crashing the system over twenty are associated with programs
installed on your system.

You should be able to significantly improve resources at boot time by removing
all unnecessary applications from being launched each time you boot your PC
and only opening them as and when you need them. You may also be running a
program or programs that doesn't release resources when closed, which is a
problem when running any Win 9x operating system especially Win Me.

A good place to look to for advice as to which programs need to be run at
startup and those that can be safely disabled, is Pacman's site where he lists
what should definitely be retained and which can be safely removed from the
startup axis (http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_index.htm). Reducing such
applications and only starting them when required can free up significant
resources. Not though that before disabling any application that you make
yourself fully aware of its purpose and understand what the consequences might
be, if any, of disabling it at start up.

You might also want to check out Jim Eshelman's site for some ideas of how to
better manage your resources - http://www.aumha.org/a/resource.htm
--?
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


Kelly Smith <kbsmith9@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi from Ohio, lately I have been getting an occasional
> message about low resources. on a reboot I show about 65%
> available but they quickly get used up and I can go down
> as low as 8%. At this level new windows won't open and
> even though I close about everything down it never gets
> back to 65%. I closed down system restore and it helped a
> little. Never works for me anyway. Looks like outlook
> express takes about 21 mb and ms messenger about 11 mb. I
> don't even use messenger. can I uninstall it without
> having any problem with express. What can I eliminate from
> my startup to save resources. when I close everything
> except explorer and systray, I still have 33 processes
> running according to ad-aware. Dell 4100, 512 ram. Zone
> Alarm, Ad-aware, Norton Virus and McAfee, popup stopper
> are the progams I run all the time. Never seemed to bother
> anything until recently. Thanks



Re: system resources by anonymous

anonymous
Thu Apr 22 12:25:40 CDT 2004

Mike, I should have said disabled system restore via the=20
performance tab and trouble shooting tab. I think only=20
twice in 3 years it ever restored anything. I will check=20
those url's you sent although I have only had this problem=20
recently. Sometimes I used to have 5 and 6 windows open=20
with no trouble.=20
Thanks
Kelly
>-----Original Message-----
>You appear quite understandably to be a little confused. =20
Resources have
>nothing to do with either disk space or memory but rather=20
refer to two small
>64KB stacks used by the system for 16 bit applications=20
and modules. The size
>of these stacks cannot be increased. Shutting down=20
system restore (I wonder
>how you did that, I have to assume you mean you disabled=20
it in the GUI) will
>have made no difference and not running Outlook Express=20
and Messenger will
>only affect free resources slightly.
>
>You have already identified the cause of your problem,=20
namely some of those 33
>processes you have running when you have shut down all=20
but systray and
>explorer. Whilst a few of those are basic Win Me=20
services that cannot be
>stopped without crashing the system over twenty are=20
associated with programs
>installed on your system.
>
>You should be able to significantly improve resources at=20
boot time by removing
>all unnecessary applications from being launched each=20
time you boot your PC
>and only opening them as and when you need them. You may=20
also be running a
>program or programs that doesn't release resources when=20
closed, which is a
>problem when running any Win 9x operating system=20
especially Win Me.
>
>A good place to look to for advice as to which programs=20
need to be run at
>startup and those that can be safely disabled, is=20
Pacman's site where he lists
>what should definitely be retained and which can be=20
safely removed from the
>startup axis (http://www.pacs-
portal.co.uk/startup_index.htm). Reducing such
>applications and only starting them when required can=20
free up significant
>resources. Not though that before disabling any=20
application that you make
>yourself fully aware of its purpose and understand what=20
the consequences might
>be, if any, of disabling it at start up.
>
>You might also want to check out Jim Eshelman's site for=20
some ideas of how to
>better manage your resources -=20
http://www.aumha.org/a/resource.htm
>--=81
>Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>mcmaltby@hotmail.com
>
>
>Kelly Smith <kbsmith9@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi from Ohio, lately I have been getting an occasional
>> message about low resources. on a reboot I show about=20
65%
>> available but they quickly get used up and I can go down
>> as low as 8%. At this level new windows won't open and
>> even though I close about everything down it never gets
>> back to 65%. I closed down system restore and it helped=20
a
>> little. Never works for me anyway. Looks like outlook
>> express takes about 21 mb and ms messenger about 11 mb.=20
I
>> don't even use messenger. can I uninstall it without
>> having any problem with express. What can I eliminate=20
from
>> my startup to save resources. when I close everything
>> except explorer and systray, I still have 33 processes
>> running according to ad-aware. Dell 4100, 512 ram. Zone
>> Alarm, Ad-aware, Norton Virus and McAfee, popup stopper
>> are the progams I run all the time. Never seemed to=20
bother
>> anything until recently. Thanks
>
>
>.
>

Re: system resources by Jack

Jack
Sat Apr 24 12:07:51 CDT 2004

N.B. This is just an alternative restatement of Mike's advice:

Startup Configuration for Program Launching

Use Start - Run - MSCONFIG and go to the Startup tab. Compare the
listing there with the following Startup checklists:

http://www2.whidbey.com/djdenham/Uncheck.htm
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php
http://www.3feetunder.com/krick/startlist.htm - has trojan related items
listed
http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm

Note: Please ensure that you fully understand the purpose of a
startup item, how and why it was put into the startup, and the
consequences (if any) of removing it before you make any changes.
Some items are very important for the proper and safe functioning of
your computer, including at least one item that is listed twice,
LoadPowerProfile.

Also see http://www.onlinehelp.bc.ca/tips.htm#resources
for an explanation about System Resources.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
------


When you have everything humming along well, I urge you to consider
reenabling SR.
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-04 MVP for Win9X / DTS
Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
Your cooperation is very appreciated.
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<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2d8001c4288e$d5a08370$a401280a@phx.gbl...
Mike, I should have said disabled system restore via the
performance tab and trouble shooting tab. I think only
twice in 3 years it ever restored anything. I will check
those url's you sent although I have only had this problem
recently. Sometimes I used to have 5 and 6 windows open
with no trouble.
Thanks
Kelly
>-----Original Message-----
>You appear quite understandably to be a little confused.
Resources have
>nothing to do with either disk space or memory but rather
refer to two small
>64KB stacks used by the system for 16 bit applications
and modules. The size
>of these stacks cannot be increased. Shutting down
system restore (I wonder
>how you did that, I have to assume you mean you disabled
it in the GUI) will
>have made no difference and not running Outlook Express
and Messenger will
>only affect free resources slightly.
>
>You have already identified the cause of your problem,
namely some of those 33
>processes you have running when you have shut down all
but systray and
>explorer. Whilst a few of those are basic Win Me
services that cannot be
>stopped without crashing the system over twenty are
associated with programs
>installed on your system.
>
>You should be able to significantly improve resources at
boot time by removing
>all unnecessary applications from being launched each
time you boot your PC
>and only opening them as and when you need them. You may
also be running a
>program or programs that doesn't release resources when
closed, which is a
>problem when running any Win 9x operating system
especially Win Me.
>
>A good place to look to for advice as to which programs
need to be run at
>startup and those that can be safely disabled, is
Pacman's site where he lists
>what should definitely be retained and which can be
safely removed from the
>startup axis (http://www.pacs-
portal.co.uk/startup_index.htm). Reducing such
>applications and only starting them when required can
free up significant
>resources. Not though that before disabling any
application that you make
>yourself fully aware of its purpose and understand what
the consequences might
>be, if any, of disabling it at start up.
>
>You might also want to check out Jim Eshelman's site for
some ideas of how to
>better manage your resources -
http://www.aumha.org/a/resource.htm
>--?
>Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>mcmaltby@hotmail.com
>
>
>Kelly Smith <kbsmith9@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi from Ohio, lately I have been getting an occasional
>> message about low resources. on a reboot I show about
65%
>> available but they quickly get used up and I can go down
>> as low as 8%. At this level new windows won't open and
>> even though I close about everything down it never gets
>> back to 65%. I closed down system restore and it helped
a
>> little. Never works for me anyway. Looks like outlook
>> express takes about 21 mb and ms messenger about 11 mb.
I
>> don't even use messenger. can I uninstall it without
>> having any problem with express. What can I eliminate
from
>> my startup to save resources. when I close everything
>> except explorer and systray, I still have 33 processes
>> running according to ad-aware. Dell 4100, 512 ram. Zone
>> Alarm, Ad-aware, Norton Virus and McAfee, popup stopper
>> are the progams I run all the time. Never seemed to
bother
>> anything until recently. Thanks
>
>
>.
>


Re: system resources by webster72n

webster72n
Sat Apr 24 16:39:42 CDT 2004


Hi Kelly:
Reading your subject line, I was reminded of something I experienced some
time ago. When I saw ZoneAlarm amongst your listed programs, I was almost
sure, that's where your trouble might be (I stand corrected, of course).
When I used ZoneAlarm, I had the same problem you are speaking of and I got
rid of it as quick as I could. If my memory serves me correctly, that solved
my problem, too.

All I can say is, try it. You can always reinstall it, if it doesn't fix
your problem.

Meanwhile there may be a better solution for your problem
out there. I would be looking for it myself.

Harry.


"Kelly Smith" <kbsmith9@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2abf01c4286e$72f503b0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi from Ohio, lately I have been getting an occasional
> message about low resources. on a reboot I show about 65%
> available but they quickly get used up and I can go down
> as low as 8%. At this level new windows won't open and
> even though I close about everything down it never gets
> back to 65%. I closed down system restore and it helped a
> little. Never works for me anyway. Looks like outlook
> express takes about 21 mb and ms messenger about 11 mb. I
> don't even use messenger. can I uninstall it without
> having any problem with express. What can I eliminate from
> my startup to save resources. when I close everything
> except explorer and systray, I still have 33 processes
> running according to ad-aware. Dell 4100, 512 ram. Zone
> Alarm, Ad-aware, Norton Virus and McAfee, popup stopper
> are the progams I run all the time. Never seemed to bother
> anything until recently. Thanks