Hopefully someone in this forum can help me with this
problem. I recently got an anti-virus program. It found 26
viruses on my computer and eliminated 3 of them. The other
23 are in the file \_restore on my computer. It cannot
eliminate these files because as you all know, they
are 'system' files which cannot be deleted. The only way I
can see to delete these files is to delete the entire
file. Is there a way to do this? I've tried everything I
can think of but to no avail. Can anyone help me here?
Thanks a lot for reading this and I hope someone can help
me.
Respectfully,

Lynn Tomlinson

Re: _restore file by Mike

Mike
Tue Apr 20 09:47:38 CDT 2004

There is no need to be concerned about any virus or trojan in the _RESTORE
archive as they are harmless there and can only cause problems if you later
choose to restore to a checkpoint created AFTER infection and BEFORE you
cleaned your system. Something I hope you won't be doing after reading this
post. Any worms, trojans and viruses in the _restore archive will
automatically be discarded in time as newer data is archived and older files
discarded The problem with disabling system restore is that it flushes the
_restore archive and whilst that removes any virus remnants it also removes
any good usable checkpoints you might have and you never know when you might
want to use that lifebelt.

However If you are worried about this, then there are two approaches to
resolving your problem:
Firstly try reducing the space allocated to the System Restore archive as this
could flush out these unwanted files. Do this using the slider found at
System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and reduce the allocated space
until you flush out the unwanted files.

If that fails, reset System Restore:
System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and check "Disable
System Restore", Apply and IMMEDIATELY reboot. This will flush you restore
folder and erase all checkpoints, then,
System | Performance | File System | Troubleshooting and uncheck "Disable
System Restore", Apply and again IMMEDIATELY reboot. This should now
automatically create a new checkpoint immediately following the restart.
Finally adjust the space allocated to the restore folder,
System | Performance | File System | Hard Disk and adjust the restore slider
to your preferred setting. A figure of 200MB is normally more than adequate
for day to day use allowing perhaps a week of checkpoints to be available
although increasing this to perhaps 400-500MB for a few days during periods of
large installs such Microsoft Office is advisable.

See also MS KB 263455 - "Antivirus Tools Cannot Clean Infected Files in the
_Restore Folder" (http://support.microsoft.com?kbid=263455).
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


Lynn Tomlinson <lynnguy1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hopefully someone in this forum can help me with this
> problem. I recently got an anti-virus program. It found 26
> viruses on my computer and eliminated 3 of them. The other
> 23 are in the file \_restore on my computer. It cannot
> eliminate these files because as you all know, they
> are 'system' files which cannot be deleted. The only way I
> can see to delete these files is to delete the entire
> file. Is there a way to do this? I've tried everything I
> can think of but to no avail. Can anyone help me here?
> Thanks a lot for reading this and I hope someone can help
> me.
> Respectfully,
>
> Lynn Tomlinson



Re: _restore file by heirloom

heirloom
Tue Apr 20 09:52:59 CDT 2004

The 'bugs' in your Restore files are of little danger.......the only way
they can affect, or infect, you is if you make a restoral to one of the
infected points. These points will eventually be removed due to the FIFO
(first in, first out) nature of System Restore. If it really bothers you,
you can disable System Restore, reboot, then re-enable System Restore and
reboot again. This will create a new, clean restore point and keep your AV
happy.
Heirloom, old and need to get rid of some coffee

"Lynn Tomlinson" <lynnguy1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:19d801c426e4$2ee75cd0$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> Hopefully someone in this forum can help me with this
> problem. I recently got an anti-virus program. It found 26
> viruses on my computer and eliminated 3 of them. The other
> 23 are in the file \_restore on my computer. It cannot
> eliminate these files because as you all know, they
> are 'system' files which cannot be deleted. The only way I
> can see to delete these files is to delete the entire
> file. Is there a way to do this? I've tried everything I
> can think of but to no avail. Can anyone help me here?
> Thanks a lot for reading this and I hope someone can help
> me.
> Respectfully,
>
> Lynn Tomlinson



Re: _restore file by Rick

Rick
Tue Apr 20 15:07:00 CDT 2004

Mike M wrote:
> There is no need to be concerned about any virus or trojan in the _RESTORE
> archive as they are harmless there and can only cause problems if you later
> choose to restore to a checkpoint created AFTER infection and BEFORE you
> cleaned your system. Something I hope you won't be doing after reading this
> post. Any worms, trojans and viruses in the _restore archive will
> automatically be discarded in time as newer data is archived and older files
> discarded The problem with disabling system restore is that it flushes the
> _restore archive and whilst that removes any virus remnants it also removes
> any good usable checkpoints you might have and you never know when you might
> want to use that lifebelt.

hmm... how about restoring the system and running an AV <g>

Re: _restore file by Mike

Mike
Tue Apr 20 15:11:15 CDT 2004

Depends on whether you like wasting your time or not. Much easier and quicker
to prevent unwanted intrusions by practising safe hex than spending hours
installing a system and all your associated software.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


Rick T <plinnane3NO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

> Mike M wrote:
>> There is no need to be concerned about any virus or trojan in the
>> _RESTORE archive as they are harmless there and can only cause problems
>> if you later choose to restore to a checkpoint created AFTER infection
>> and BEFORE you cleaned your system. Something I hope you won't be doing
>> after reading this post. Any worms, trojans and viruses in the _restore
>> archive will automatically be discarded in time as newer data is
>> archived and older files discarded The problem with disabling system
>> restore is that it flushes the _restore archive and whilst that removes
>> any virus remnants it also removes any good usable checkpoints you might
>> have and you never know when you might want to use that lifebelt.
>
> hmm... how about restoring the system and running an AV <g>



Re: _restore file by null

null
Tue Apr 20 16:08:25 CDT 2004

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 21:11:15 +0100, "Mike M"
<No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:

>Depends on whether you like wasting your time or not. Much easier and quicker
>to prevent unwanted intrusions by practising safe hex than spending hours
>installing a system and all your associated software.

And use sane email apps such as Pegasus or Mozilla email.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Re: _restore file by Mike

Mike
Tue Apr 20 16:26:56 CDT 2004

If you say so. Outlook Express is perfectly safe for those who bother to
learn how to use it.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


null@zilch.com <null@zilch.com> wrote:

> And use sane email apps such as Pegasus or Mozilla email.



Re: _restore file by null

null
Tue Apr 20 17:01:50 CDT 2004

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:26:56 +0100, "Mike M"
<No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:

>If you say so. Outlook Express is perfectly safe for those who bother to
>learn how to use it.

Therein lies the problem. Better to recommend apps that are safe to
use right out of the box.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Re: _restore file by Mike

Mike
Tue Apr 20 17:16:24 CDT 2004

Not necessarily true. It depends on whether you want to promote and foster
ignorance. Coming at this problem from a different direction I would however
prefer it if Microsoft were not to include any applets, safe or otherwise with
their operating systems, be they browser, mail & news client, media player,
firewall, CD authoring software, etc. leaving the user to then choose which
and whose to install and which to pass over.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


null@zilch.com <null@zilch.com> wrote:

> Therein lies the problem. Better to recommend apps that are safe to
> use right out of the box.



Re: _restore file by null

null
Tue Apr 20 17:33:14 CDT 2004

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:16:24 +0100, "Mike M"
<No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:

>Not necessarily true. It depends on whether you want to promote and foster
>ignorance.

Quite to the contrary. What's ignorant is the promotion of antivirus
and patches when they are entirely unnecessary (in connection with
email).

>Coming at this problem from a different direction I would however
>prefer it if Microsoft were not to include any applets, safe or otherwise with
>their operating systems, be they browser, mail & news client, media player,
>firewall, CD authoring software, etc. leaving the user to then choose which
>and whose to install and which to pass over.

Just tell them to use Mozilla and be done with it :) IE is a hopeless
mess.


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Re: _restore file by Mike

Mike
Tue Apr 20 17:39:18 CDT 2004

That's total rubbish and little more than a display of ignorance and bias.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


null@zilch.com <null@zilch.com> wrote:

>> Not necessarily true. It depends on whether you want to promote and
>> foster ignorance.
>
> Quite to the contrary. What's ignorant is the promotion of antivirus
> and patches when they are entirely unnecessary (in connection with
> email).
>
>> Coming at this problem from a different direction I would however
>> prefer it if Microsoft were not to include any applets, safe or
>> otherwise with their operating systems, be they browser, mail & news
>> client, media player, firewall, CD authoring software, etc. leaving the
>> user to then choose which and whose to install and which to pass over.
>
> Just tell them to use Mozilla and be done with it :) IE is a hopeless
> mess.



Re: _restore file by null

null
Tue Apr 20 17:51:09 CDT 2004

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:39:18 +0100, "Mike M"
<No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:

>That's total rubbish and little more than a display of ignorance and bias.

LOL! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!


Art
http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg

Re: _restore file by Brian

Brian
Tue Apr 20 17:48:53 CDT 2004

Or you could do what Virus companies Recommends . Disable system
restore and lose are your restore points. The clean out the virus.

http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/nav.nsf/docid/2000092513515106




Brian


>On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:52:59 -0500, "heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:

>The 'bugs' in your Restore files are of little danger.......the only way
>they can affect, or infect, you is if you make a restoral to one of the
>infected points. These points will eventually be removed due to the FIFO
>(first in, first out) nature of System Restore. If it really bothers you,
>you can disable System Restore, reboot, then re-enable System Restore and
>reboot again. This will create a new, clean restore point and keep your AV
>happy.
> Heirloom, old and need to get rid of some coffee
>
>"Lynn Tomlinson" <lynnguy1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:19d801c426e4$2ee75cd0$a301280a@phx.gbl...
>> Hopefully someone in this forum can help me with this
>> problem. I recently got an anti-virus program. It found 26
>> viruses on my computer and eliminated 3 of them. The other
>> 23 are in the file \_restore on my computer. It cannot
>> eliminate these files because as you all know, they
>> are 'system' files which cannot be deleted. The only way I
>> can see to delete these files is to delete the entire
>> file. Is there a way to do this? I've tried everything I
>> can think of but to no avail. Can anyone help me here?
>> Thanks a lot for reading this and I hope someone can help
>> me.
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Lynn Tomlinson
>


Re: _restore file by Brian

Brian
Tue Apr 20 18:16:15 CDT 2004

Mozilla has security holes just like I.E. does or did.

Brian

>On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:51:09 GMT, null@zilch.com wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:39:18 +0100, "Mike M"
><No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:
>
>>That's total rubbish and little more than a display of ignorance and bias.
>
>LOL! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
>
>
>Art
>http://www.epix.net/~artnpeg


Re: _restore file by Rick

Rick
Tue Apr 20 18:43:29 CDT 2004

Brian Coats wrote:
> Or you could do what Virus companies Recommends . Disable system
> restore and lose are your restore points. The clean out the virus.

The downside is that if you're no longer able to restore to any points
around the ones which were created during the infestation, so unless you
have a squeaky clean system, that's not a good idea.


Rick

Re: _restore file by Mike

Mike
Tue Apr 20 19:38:06 CDT 2004

In your case you wear your ignorance and bias for all to see. Perhaps when
you grow up you'll realise that and instead learn and start to try and help
others.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


null@zilch.com <null@zilch.com> wrote:

> LOL! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!



Re: _restore file by Brian

Brian
Tue Apr 20 21:31:29 CDT 2004

Rick.

The system restore gets purged in two weeks. What the difference? I
have several system restore points at one time. Two weeks later I had
a problem. No system restore point available. No it was not disabled.
No I didn?t purge it either. I had this happen on my windows me
machine and my xp machine. (I luckily had a image restore)


Brian

>On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:43:29 -0400, Rick T <plinnane3NO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>Brian Coats wrote:
>> Or you could do what Virus companies Recommends . Disable system
>> restore and lose are your restore points. The clean out the virus.
>
>The downside is that if you're no longer able to restore to any points
>around the ones which were created during the infestation, so unless you
>have a squeaky clean system, that's not a good idea.
>
>
>Rick