Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF course
I had to learn this the hard way ...

Thanks.

Re: back up plan for ME by Mart

Mart
Thu Sep 28 03:59:04 CDT 2006

What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?

Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with various
sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever media you
choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up application.

However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there is the
free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe CD in the
add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included with certain OEM
CD's.

Mart



"betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF course I
> had to learn this the hard way ...
>
> Thanks.



Re: back up plan for ME by betsy

betsy
Thu Sep 28 09:10:45 CDT 2006

I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to back
up all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.


Mart wrote:

> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>
> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with various
> sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever media you
> choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up application.
>
> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there is the
> free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe CD in the
> add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included with certain OEM
> CD's.
>
> Mart
>
>
>
> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
>>Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF course I
>>had to learn this the hard way ...
>>
>>Thanks.
>
>
>


Re: back up plan for ME by Mart

Mart
Thu Sep 28 19:38:02 CDT 2006

Betsy, I think you *may* have misunderstood my point.

Where do you intend to store your backed-up data? (Not - what type of files
are they?)

No matter what type of files, it is far simpler (and cheaper these days)
just to copy or burn them to a CD - or a flash-drive/memory stick, or even a
second hard drive - than fiddle around with the old MS-Backup utility which
was designed for incremental back-ups (which make things even more
complicated) to floppy disks or tape - a slow and laborious process,
compared with more recent storage media.

Possibly the main advantage of programs like MS-Backup is that they can
'verify' the saved data, hence giving you a perceived increased sense of
reliability - but with more modern media, this is far less significant.

Also - you won't get more than a couple of photos on a floppy disk!

Mart



"betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
news:FJQSg.16154$K02.2204@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to back up
>all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.
>
>
> Mart wrote:
>
>> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>>
>> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with various
>> sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever media you
>> choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up application.
>>
>> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there is
>> the free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe CD in
>> the add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included with
>> certain OEM CD's.
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>>
>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>
>>>Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF course I
>>>had to learn this the hard way ...
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>



Re: back up plan for ME by betsy

betsy
Fri Sep 29 02:10:18 CDT 2006

Hi, Mart. I have an external 250 gb hard drive. (I live in Florida and
bought that to take when I have to evacuate for a hurricane LOL) I
thought I could back up my data to that.

I mean, I have literally thousands of photos. I'd have way too many CDs
or DVDs to cart around.

So, I thought if I could set a back-up utility to back up my designated
data folders and only copy changes, say at 2 in the morning when
hopefully I'm sleeping, that would work automatically and I'd never be
caught short without backups. (Again)




Mart wrote:
> Betsy, I think you *may* have misunderstood my point.
>
> Where do you intend to store your backed-up data? (Not - what type of files
> are they?)
>
> No matter what type of files, it is far simpler (and cheaper these days)
> just to copy or burn them to a CD - or a flash-drive/memory stick, or even a
> second hard drive - than fiddle around with the old MS-Backup utility which
> was designed for incremental back-ups (which make things even more
> complicated) to floppy disks or tape - a slow and laborious process,
> compared with more recent storage media.
>
> Possibly the main advantage of programs like MS-Backup is that they can
> 'verify' the saved data, hence giving you a perceived increased sense of
> reliability - but with more modern media, this is far less significant.
>
> Also - you won't get more than a couple of photos on a floppy disk!
>
> Mart
>
>
>
> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
> news:FJQSg.16154$K02.2204@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to back up
>> all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Mart wrote:
>>
>>> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>>>
>>> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with various
>>> sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever media you
>>> choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up application.
>>>
>>> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there is
>>> the free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe CD in
>>> the add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included with
>>> certain OEM CD's.
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>
>>>> Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF course I
>>>> had to learn this the hard way ...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: back up plan for ME by Mart

Mart
Fri Sep 29 04:29:27 CDT 2006

Ah! in which case you could probably do with something like MS-Backup which
has an in-built scheduling facility - and can be set to 'update' changed
files (incremental back-ups). Any friends with a retail copy of the WinMe
CD? <g>

However, there may be other freeware stuff out there - try googling - which
might also meet your requirements.

Good luck

Mart


"betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
news:uF3Tg.21822$YA5.12054@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Hi, Mart. I have an external 250 gb hard drive. (I live in Florida and
> bought that to take when I have to evacuate for a hurricane LOL) I thought
> I could back up my data to that.
>
> I mean, I have literally thousands of photos. I'd have way too many CDs or
> DVDs to cart around.
>
> So, I thought if I could set a back-up utility to back up my designated
> data folders and only copy changes, say at 2 in the morning when hopefully
> I'm sleeping, that would work automatically and I'd never be caught short
> without backups. (Again)
>
>
>
>
> Mart wrote:
>> Betsy, I think you *may* have misunderstood my point.
>>
>> Where do you intend to store your backed-up data? (Not - what type of
>> files are they?)
>>
>> No matter what type of files, it is far simpler (and cheaper these days)
>> just to copy or burn them to a CD - or a flash-drive/memory stick, or
>> even a second hard drive - than fiddle around with the old MS-Backup
>> utility which was designed for incremental back-ups (which make things
>> even more complicated) to floppy disks or tape - a slow and laborious
>> process, compared with more recent storage media.
>>
>> Possibly the main advantage of programs like MS-Backup is that they can
>> 'verify' the saved data, hence giving you a perceived increased sense of
>> reliability - but with more modern media, this is far less significant.
>>
>> Also - you won't get more than a couple of photos on a floppy disk!
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>>
>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>> news:FJQSg.16154$K02.2204@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>> I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to back
>>> up all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mart wrote:
>>>
>>>> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>>>>
>>>> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with various
>>>> sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever media you
>>>> choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up application.
>>>>
>>>> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there is
>>>> the free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe CD
>>>> in the add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included with
>>>> certain OEM CD's.
>>>>
>>>> Mart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF
>>>>> course I had to learn this the hard way ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>


Re: back up plan for ME by betsy

betsy
Fri Sep 29 16:22:04 CDT 2006

Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation. Will
check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)

Mart wrote:
> Ah! in which case you could probably do with something like MS-Backup which
> has an in-built scheduling facility - and can be set to 'update' changed
> files (incremental back-ups). Any friends with a retail copy of the WinMe
> CD? <g>
>
> However, there may be other freeware stuff out there - try googling - which
> might also meet your requirements.
>
> Good luck
>
> Mart
>
>
> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
> news:uF3Tg.21822$YA5.12054@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> Hi, Mart. I have an external 250 gb hard drive. (I live in Florida and
>> bought that to take when I have to evacuate for a hurricane LOL) I thought
>> I could back up my data to that.
>>
>> I mean, I have literally thousands of photos. I'd have way too many CDs or
>> DVDs to cart around.
>>
>> So, I thought if I could set a back-up utility to back up my designated
>> data folders and only copy changes, say at 2 in the morning when hopefully
>> I'm sleeping, that would work automatically and I'd never be caught short
>> without backups. (Again)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mart wrote:
>>> Betsy, I think you *may* have misunderstood my point.
>>>
>>> Where do you intend to store your backed-up data? (Not - what type of
>>> files are they?)
>>>
>>> No matter what type of files, it is far simpler (and cheaper these days)
>>> just to copy or burn them to a CD - or a flash-drive/memory stick, or
>>> even a second hard drive - than fiddle around with the old MS-Backup
>>> utility which was designed for incremental back-ups (which make things
>>> even more complicated) to floppy disks or tape - a slow and laborious
>>> process, compared with more recent storage media.
>>>
>>> Possibly the main advantage of programs like MS-Backup is that they can
>>> 'verify' the saved data, hence giving you a perceived increased sense of
>>> reliability - but with more modern media, this is far less significant.
>>>
>>> Also - you won't get more than a couple of photos on a floppy disk!
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>> news:FJQSg.16154$K02.2204@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>> I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to back
>>>> up all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with various
>>>>> sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever media you
>>>>> choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up application.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there is
>>>>> the free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe CD
>>>>> in the add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included with
>>>>> certain OEM CD's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF
>>>>>> course I had to learn this the hard way ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>

Re: back up plan for ME by Heirloom

Heirloom
Fri Sep 29 22:23:10 CDT 2006

Don't mean to barge in on Mart's very good advice, however, if you decide to
go the non-freeware route and purchase a backup app, my personal
recommendation would be Acronis True Image. It has a great deal of
flexibility, i.e. restoring individual files, compression at varied levels,
verification of backups, protected backups, incrementals and much, much
more. Plus, it is very user friendly, intuitive and has a very shallow
learning curve.
Heirloom, old and just my .02
cents


"betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
news:08gTg.18933$K02.15947@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation. Will
> check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)
>
> Mart wrote:
>> Ah! in which case you could probably do with something like MS-Backup
>> which has an in-built scheduling facility - and can be set to 'update'
>> changed files (incremental back-ups). Any friends with a retail copy of
>> the WinMe CD? <g>
>>
>> However, there may be other freeware stuff out there - try googling -
>> which might also meet your requirements.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>> news:uF3Tg.21822$YA5.12054@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>> Hi, Mart. I have an external 250 gb hard drive. (I live in Florida and
>>> bought that to take when I have to evacuate for a hurricane LOL) I
>>> thought I could back up my data to that.
>>>
>>> I mean, I have literally thousands of photos. I'd have way too many CDs
>>> or DVDs to cart around.
>>>
>>> So, I thought if I could set a back-up utility to back up my designated
>>> data folders and only copy changes, say at 2 in the morning when
>>> hopefully I'm sleeping, that would work automatically and I'd never be
>>> caught short without backups. (Again)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mart wrote:
>>>> Betsy, I think you *may* have misunderstood my point.
>>>>
>>>> Where do you intend to store your backed-up data? (Not - what type of
>>>> files are they?)
>>>>
>>>> No matter what type of files, it is far simpler (and cheaper these
>>>> days) just to copy or burn them to a CD - or a flash-drive/memory
>>>> stick, or even a second hard drive - than fiddle around with the old
>>>> MS-Backup utility which was designed for incremental back-ups (which
>>>> make things even more complicated) to floppy disks or tape - a slow and
>>>> laborious process, compared with more recent storage media.
>>>>
>>>> Possibly the main advantage of programs like MS-Backup is that they can
>>>> 'verify' the saved data, hence giving you a perceived increased sense
>>>> of reliability - but with more modern media, this is far less
>>>> significant.
>>>>
>>>> Also - you won't get more than a couple of photos on a floppy disk!
>>>>
>>>> Mart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>> news:FJQSg.16154$K02.2204@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>> I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to
>>>>> back up all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with
>>>>>> various sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever
>>>>>> media you choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up
>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there
>>>>>> is the free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe
>>>>>> CD in the add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included
>>>>>> with certain OEM CD's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mart
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF
>>>>>>> course I had to learn this the hard way ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>



Re: back up plan for ME by TomV

TomV
Fri Sep 29 23:54:32 CDT 2006

Take a look at Cobian Backup 7 (version 8 doesn't run on Windows ME).
It's free and is more versatile than MS-Backup. The author continues
development on this version.

http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm

betsy wrote:
> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation. Will
> check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)

Re: back up plan for ME by Mart

Mart
Sat Sep 30 05:08:03 CDT 2006

Good to hear from you HL - your input is always most welcome (along with
your tags <g>)

To amplify my earlier point against using outdated MSBackup (or similar
backup utilities) in favour of speed and ease, I just did a search thru'
some 'old stuff' and came across a couple of most valid arguments from Jack
Martinelli.

To paraphrase :-

"The introduction of inexpensive CD burners and CD re-writable media has
pretty much put paid to tape technology (used by MSBackup), very simple drag
'n drop or copy 'n paste is all that is needed - and very much faster too!
Not to mention the "random access" advantage. You don't have to search
through the tape (or whatever) for the sequence (Backed-up Set) holding your
desired backup file."

Admittedly, Betsy has confirmed that she intends to backup to an external
HDD (which will of course work with MSBackup and would be very *much* faster
than tape <g>), but she will still need to search the 'backed-up Set' and
then extract her desired photo or song file before she can view or play it.
Things have moved on.

BTW - Whatever happened to Jack, I think he emigrated to XP but we never
hear from him these days?

Mart



"Heirloom" <roland58XX@XXcox.net> wrote in message
news:eerQC8D5GHA.1256@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Don't mean to barge in on Mart's very good advice, however, if you decide
> to go the non-freeware route and purchase a backup app, my personal
> recommendation would be Acronis True Image. It has a great deal of
> flexibility, i.e. restoring individual files, compression at varied
> levels, verification of backups, protected backups, incrementals and much,
> much more. Plus, it is very user friendly, intuitive and has a very
> shallow learning curve.
> Heirloom, old and just my .02
> cents
>
>
> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
> news:08gTg.18933$K02.15947@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation. Will
>> check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)
>>
>> Mart wrote:
>>> Ah! in which case you could probably do with something like MS-Backup
>>> which has an in-built scheduling facility - and can be set to 'update'
>>> changed files (incremental back-ups). Any friends with a retail copy of
>>> the WinMe CD? <g>
>>>
>>> However, there may be other freeware stuff out there - try googling -
>>> which might also meet your requirements.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>> news:uF3Tg.21822$YA5.12054@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>> Hi, Mart. I have an external 250 gb hard drive. (I live in Florida and
>>>> bought that to take when I have to evacuate for a hurricane LOL) I
>>>> thought I could back up my data to that.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, I have literally thousands of photos. I'd have way too many CDs
>>>> or DVDs to cart around.
>>>>
>>>> So, I thought if I could set a back-up utility to back up my designated
>>>> data folders and only copy changes, say at 2 in the morning when
>>>> hopefully I'm sleeping, that would work automatically and I'd never be
>>>> caught short without backups. (Again)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mart wrote:
>>>>> Betsy, I think you *may* have misunderstood my point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you intend to store your backed-up data? (Not - what type of
>>>>> files are they?)
>>>>>
>>>>> No matter what type of files, it is far simpler (and cheaper these
>>>>> days) just to copy or burn them to a CD - or a flash-drive/memory
>>>>> stick, or even a second hard drive - than fiddle around with the old
>>>>> MS-Backup utility which was designed for incremental back-ups (which
>>>>> make things even more complicated) to floppy disks or tape - a slow
>>>>> and laborious process, compared with more recent storage media.
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly the main advantage of programs like MS-Backup is that they
>>>>> can 'verify' the saved data, hence giving you a perceived increased
>>>>> sense of reliability - but with more modern media, this is far less
>>>>> significant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also - you won't get more than a couple of photos on a floppy disk!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>>> news:FJQSg.16154$K02.2204@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>>> I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to
>>>>>> back up all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with
>>>>>>> various sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever
>>>>>>> media you choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up
>>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there
>>>>>>> is the free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of
>>>>>>> WinMe CD in the add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be
>>>>>>> included with certain OEM CD's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF
>>>>>>>> course I had to learn this the hard way ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>



Re: back up plan for ME by Mart

Mart
Sat Sep 30 05:29:27 CDT 2006

Certainly sounds like good value <g>

Not tried it myself Tom, so don't know if the points raised in my reply to
HL (elsewhere in the thread) are valid but maybe worth a look.

Mart


"TomV" <t@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OrijqxE5GHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Take a look at Cobian Backup 7 (version 8 doesn't run on Windows ME). It's
> free and is more versatile than MS-Backup. The author continues
> development on this version.
>
> http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
>
> betsy wrote:
>> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation. Will
>> check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)



Re: back up plan for ME by Joan

Joan
Sat Sep 30 06:24:08 CDT 2006

What's that saying about great minds think alike <g> I was only having a
conversation with Mow about him the other day and I think it would appear
he is no longer an MVP but I did tell Mow I would drop him a line and see
if the email addy I have for him still works.
Will report back if I get any news.
Joan


Mart wrote:
>
> BTW - Whatever happened to Jack, I think he emigrated to XP but we
> never hear from him these days?
>
> Mart



Re: back up plan for ME by Mart

Mart
Sat Sep 30 07:28:47 CDT 2006

Thanks for the info Joan. I had a similarish conversation with Mike M,
t'other day but I didn't realise (or remember) that Jack had dropped his
MVP.

Any further news would be appreciated.

Mart


"Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:On1HFMI5GHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> What's that saying about great minds think alike <g> I was only having a
> conversation with Mow about him the other day and I think it would appear
> he is no longer an MVP but I did tell Mow I would drop him a line and see
> if the email addy I have for him still works.
> Will report back if I get any news.
> Joan
>
>
> Mart wrote:
>>
>> BTW - Whatever happened to Jack, I think he emigrated to XP but we
>> never hear from him these days?
>>
>> Mart
>
>



Re: back up plan for ME by Joan

Joan
Sat Sep 30 09:08:51 CDT 2006

Will do Mart, I fired off an email and so far it has not been returned as
undeliverable so fingers crossed.
Joan

Mart wrote:
> Thanks for the info Joan. I had a similarish conversation with Mike M,
> t'other day but I didn't realise (or remember) that Jack had dropped
> his MVP.
>
> Any further news would be appreciated.
>
> Mart



Re: back up plan for ME by betsy

betsy
Sat Sep 30 11:25:33 CDT 2006

TomV wrote:
> Take a look at Cobian Backup 7 (version 8 doesn't run on Windows ME).
> It's free and is more versatile than MS-Backup. The author continues
> development on this version.
>
> http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
>
> betsy wrote:
>> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation.
>> Will check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)

Looks interesting! Will download and give it a spin. Thanks!

Re: back up plan for ME by betsy

betsy
Sat Sep 30 11:23:32 CDT 2006

Hi, thanks for the idea. Still hoping for freeware :-)

Heirloom wrote:
> Don't mean to barge in on Mart's very good advice, however, if you decide to
> go the non-freeware route and purchase a backup app, my personal
> recommendation would be Acronis True Image. It has a great deal of
> flexibility, i.e. restoring individual files, compression at varied levels,
> verification of backups, protected backups, incrementals and much, much
> more. Plus, it is very user friendly, intuitive and has a very shallow
> learning curve.
> Heirloom, old and just my .02
> cents
>
>
> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
> news:08gTg.18933$K02.15947@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation. Will
>> check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)
>>
>> Mart wrote:
>>> Ah! in which case you could probably do with something like MS-Backup
>>> which has an in-built scheduling facility - and can be set to 'update'
>>> changed files (incremental back-ups). Any friends with a retail copy of
>>> the WinMe CD? <g>
>>>
>>> However, there may be other freeware stuff out there - try googling -
>>> which might also meet your requirements.
>>>
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>> news:uF3Tg.21822$YA5.12054@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>> Hi, Mart. I have an external 250 gb hard drive. (I live in Florida and
>>>> bought that to take when I have to evacuate for a hurricane LOL) I
>>>> thought I could back up my data to that.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, I have literally thousands of photos. I'd have way too many CDs
>>>> or DVDs to cart around.
>>>>
>>>> So, I thought if I could set a back-up utility to back up my designated
>>>> data folders and only copy changes, say at 2 in the morning when
>>>> hopefully I'm sleeping, that would work automatically and I'd never be
>>>> caught short without backups. (Again)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mart wrote:
>>>>> Betsy, I think you *may* have misunderstood my point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where do you intend to store your backed-up data? (Not - what type of
>>>>> files are they?)
>>>>>
>>>>> No matter what type of files, it is far simpler (and cheaper these
>>>>> days) just to copy or burn them to a CD - or a flash-drive/memory
>>>>> stick, or even a second hard drive - than fiddle around with the old
>>>>> MS-Backup utility which was designed for incremental back-ups (which
>>>>> make things even more complicated) to floppy disks or tape - a slow and
>>>>> laborious process, compared with more recent storage media.
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly the main advantage of programs like MS-Backup is that they can
>>>>> 'verify' the saved data, hence giving you a perceived increased sense
>>>>> of reliability - but with more modern media, this is far less
>>>>> significant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also - you won't get more than a couple of photos on a floppy disk!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>>> news:FJQSg.16154$K02.2204@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>>> I end up with a lot of photos and stuff and to my regret forget to
>>>>>> back up all the time. Will look for MS-Backup. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What sort of media do you intend to back-up your data to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just keep all your DATA in one folder (e.g. My Documents) with
>>>>>>> various sub-folders and simply burn a copy to a CD-ROM - or whatever
>>>>>>> media you choose. It's far quicker and simpler than using a back-up
>>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, if you really do prefer to use a back-up application, there
>>>>>>> is the free MS-Backup program included on the retail version of WinMe
>>>>>>> CD in the add-ons\MSBackup folder. N.B. this *may not* be included
>>>>>>> with certain OEM CD's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "betsy" <betsy@nowh.ere> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3%KSg.20708$YA5.3249@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest a freeware app to make backups of my data? OF
>>>>>>>> course I had to learn this the hard way ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>
>

Re: back up plan for ME by BJ

BJ
Sat Sep 30 12:21:35 CDT 2006

On Sat 30 Sep 2006 12:25:33p, betsy <betsy@nowh.ere> took the time to tell
us all in news:1UwTg.19639$K02.15665@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> TomV wrote:
>> Take a look at Cobian Backup 7 (version 8 doesn't run on Windows ME).
>> It's free and is more versatile than MS-Backup. The author continues
>> development on this version.
>>
>> http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
>>
>> betsy wrote:
>>> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation.
>>> Will check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)
>
> Looks interesting! Will download and give it a spin. Thanks!
>

Office is easy, just set the Auto Archive options to put the archive.pst in
a different partition or better, a separate drive. That's Outlook. Word and
excell require a basic understanding of macros: create one to run on close
that saves a copy to a safe place. Or there is tweakui which will set
different locations for doc storage, it is often easier to just change the
location of "my documents by right clicking it and selecting properties. If
this is too involved, you should see the effective but unelegant solution I
have.:)

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

Re: back up plan for ME by Heirloom

Heirloom
Sat Sep 30 12:40:27 CDT 2006

Hey Joanie,
I haven't heard from Jack since shortly after his visit with
me.....he came to Texas to visit with one of his brother's. Although we are
at different ends of the spectrum in most every respect, we got along great
and had a wonderful visit. I no longer have an addy for him. I know he had
dropped his MVP status about the time he was here.....he just didn't have
the time to invest. He's probably out in his garden, thoroughly enjoying
himself.....
Heirloom, old and having riding withdrawals......I
can hear my bikes calling my name.

"Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:On1HFMI5GHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> What's that saying about great minds think alike <g> I was only having a
> conversation with Mow about him the other day and I think it would appear
> he is no longer an MVP but I did tell Mow I would drop him a line and see
> if the email addy I have for him still works.
> Will report back if I get any news.
> Joan
>
>
> Mart wrote:
>>
>> BTW - Whatever happened to Jack, I think he emigrated to XP but we
>> never hear from him these days?
>>
>> Mart
>
>



Re: back up plan for ME by BJ

BJ
Sat Sep 30 12:48:50 CDT 2006

On Sat 30 Sep 2006 01:40:27p, "Heirloom" <roland58XX@XXcox.net> took the
time to tell us all in news:OL1REbL5GHA.3836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:

> Hey Joanie,
> I haven't heard from Jack since shortly after his visit with
> me.....he came to Texas to visit with one of his brother's. Although
> we are at different ends of the spectrum in most every respect, we got
> along great and had a wonderful visit. I no longer have an addy for
> him. I know he had dropped his MVP status about the time he was
> here.....he just didn't have the time to invest. He's probably out in
> his garden, thoroughly enjoying himself.....
> Heirloom, old and having riding
> withdrawals......I
> can hear my bikes calling my name.
>
> "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:On1HFMI5GHA.4996@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> What's that saying about great minds think alike <g> I was only
>> having a conversation with Mow about him the other day and I think it
>> would appear he is no longer an MVP but I did tell Mow I would drop
>> him a line and see if the email addy I have for him still works.
>> Will report back if I get any news.
>> Joan
>>
>>
>> Mart wrote:
>>>
>>> BTW - Whatever happened to Jack, I think he emigrated to XP but we
>>> never hear from him these days?
>>>
>>> Mart
>>
>>
>
>
>

Wherever he is or what he's doing, best wishes!

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

Re: back up plan for ME by Joan

Joan
Sat Sep 30 15:37:24 CDT 2006

I remember that visit and how well you two got on, still waiting to see if
I get any response from the email, mind you he might not want to be
dragged back into the ng's, so if I don't hear anything it might just be
as you say he's enjoying himself and wants to be ignored.

I don't know about the bikes calling your name they're probably screaming
their thanks for the rest <vbg>
Joan



Heirloom wrote:
> Hey Joanie,
> I haven't heard from Jack since shortly after his visit with
> me.....he came to Texas to visit with one of his brother's. Although
> we are at different ends of the spectrum in most every respect, we
> got along great and had a wonderful visit. I no longer have an addy
> for him. I know he had dropped his MVP status about the time he was
> here.....he just didn't have the time to invest. He's probably out
> in his garden, thoroughly enjoying himself.....
> Heirloom, old and having riding
> withdrawals......I can hear my bikes calling my name.
>



Re: back up plan for ME by TomV

TomV
Sat Sep 30 17:03:08 CDT 2006

Hi, Mart,

I've read some good things along the way about Cobian Backup (especially
as a freeware offering). I have it installed, and the feature set is
fairly impressive. I've been using PowerQuest DataKeeper for backups to
another hard disk, and I've not tried Cobian yet. It seems though that
it would more than meet the need of the OP.

Tom

Mart wrote:
> Certainly sounds like good value <g>
>
> Not tried it myself Tom, so don't know if the points raised in my reply to
> HL (elsewhere in the thread) are valid but maybe worth a look.
>
> Mart
>
>
> "TomV" <t@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:OrijqxE5GHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Take a look at Cobian Backup 7 (version 8 doesn't run on Windows ME). It's
>> free and is more versatile than MS-Backup. The author continues
>> development on this version.
>>
>> http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
>>
>> betsy wrote:
>>> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation. Will
>>> check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)
>
>

Re: back up plan for ME by betsy

betsy
Sun Oct 01 01:04:05 CDT 2006

BJ Honeycut wrote:
> On Sat 30 Sep 2006 12:25:33p, betsy <betsy@nowh.ere> took the time to tell
> us all in news:1UwTg.19639$K02.15665@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
>
>> TomV wrote:
>>> Take a look at Cobian Backup 7 (version 8 doesn't run on Windows ME).
>>> It's free and is more versatile than MS-Backup. The author continues
>>> development on this version.
>>>
>>> http://www.educ.umu.se/~cobian/cobianbackup.htm
>>>
>>> betsy wrote:
>>>> Thanks. Just thought somebody might have a special recommendation.
>>>> Will check out MS-Backup. Haven't even re-installed Office yet ;-)
>> Looks interesting! Will download and give it a spin. Thanks!
>>
>
> Office is easy, just set the Auto Archive options to put the archive.pst in
> a different partition or better, a separate drive. That's Outlook. Word and
> excell require a basic understanding of macros: create one to run on close
> that saves a copy to a safe place. Or there is tweakui which will set
> different locations for doc storage, it is often easier to just change the
> location of "my documents by right clicking it and selecting properties. If
> this is too involved, you should see the effective but unelegant solution I
> have.:)
>

Ummm ... yeah, waaay too involved. What is your unelegant solution?

:-)

Betsy

Re: back up plan for ME by MsOsWin

MsOsWin
Sun Oct 01 15:41:04 CDT 2006


in 2004 (2003?), i tried a few freeware backup: mob, polder and a few lesser known. not
right for me. cobian 5 was the best

there are already some newer archivers/backup freeware.
recently, i wanted to find a sample script or batch for 7-zip (the overnight strategy), but
han'vet found that yet. meanwhile, i just donwloaded myzippa because (i read that) it
selects subfolders and auto-creates zip filenames based on folder name. seems very
conveninet.
but, i hanvet tried it yet.

TomV <t@nospam.net> in news:OVgMYwN5GHA.2144@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> Hi, Mart,
>
> I've read some good things along the way about Cobian Backup
> (especially as a freeware offering). I have it installed, and the
> feature set is fairly impressive. I've been using PowerQuest
> DataKeeper for backups to another hard disk, and I've not tried Cobian
> yet. It seems though that it would more than meet the need of the OP.

> Tom
>


i'm using cb (cobian) to backup to external drive.

i'm using cb ver6, because 7 wasn't working right, but i haven't checked the current/last
build for months.



cb's "tasks" take awhile to setup, depending on how far you want to breakdown subfolders.

i'd recommend at first: tediously creating tasks and Lst files from the cobian program ("
user interface")

then shutdown cb, and with text editor, paste the list of excluded files, into each task:

example:
Exclude files=desktop.ini,thumbs.db,*.bak,*.tmp,*.wbk,*.xlb

why? because if you view images with windows "thumbnails", you'll create large thumbs.db
files (hidden). and wbk (word DOC backup files) usually would be a waste to backup


(you can also avoid creating thumbs.db, if view using irfanview or other freeware instead of
windows thumbnail view)
----------------
I gave up on incremental etc type backups. too time consuming to verify it's working, and
apparently need to restore in sequence. conclusion: too much complication for amateur
home user.

-----------

cb can be run from batch file, for the overnight strategy.

two lines should be good enough for testing on small folders until you like the result.
sample lines:

Start /wait C:\Programs\CobiBak\CobBU.exe "-
list:C:\Programs\CobiBak\DB\YourListfile.lst" -bu -autoclose
Start /wait C:\Programs\CobiBak\CobBU.exe "-
list:C:\Programs\CobiBak\DB\YourListfile2.lst" -bu -autoclose

check the syntax in the cb help file. i changed windows install folder to a shorter name
than the moronic "program files", so i don't normally deal with whether double quoting is
necessary.



----------------
with huge folders of jpg's, there may be problems with maximum size filesize (zip) with
winme, or bios??

for other jpg management reasons, i've divided my image subfolders alphabetically, so i
havent seen any filesize errors (i don't know what a filesize error would say. cobian error
sentences can be cryptic, but you can search or post at his forums).

> Mart wrote:
>> Certainly sounds like good value <g>
>>
>> Not tried it myself Tom, so don't know if the points raised in my
>> reply to HL (elsewhere in the thread) are valid but maybe worth a
>> look.

IIRC, neither win9x msbackup nor ntbackup can back to cds or external drives. otherwise
i'd be using them. i liked them when i had win3, win95. ms bought the program from
someone else
http://www.google.com/search?q=msbackup+bought++Central+Point+




Re: back up plan for ME by MsOsWin

MsOsWin
Sun Oct 01 16:02:03 CDT 2006

betsy <betsy@nowh.ere> in news:pTITg.23911$YA5.5125@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> What is your unelegant solution?

yeah. i'm interested too.

i use ntbackup's "system" backup for winxp. for winme "system", i pretty much do nothing.
(even though fresh install usually bsods a few times before succeeding)

cobian or "data" and program userfiles.

for occasional manual copies, i use 7zip for "data" and program userfiles. usual example: i
zip my firefox profile, immediately before update install of firefox.

Re: back up plan for ME by BJ

BJ
Mon Oct 02 11:24:41 CDT 2006

On Sun 01 Oct 2006 05:02:03p, "MsOsWin@anon.com" <MsOsWin@anon.com> took
the time to tell us all in news:Xns984F8EC0BDF5BM@207.46.248.16:

> betsy <betsy@nowh.ere> in
> news:pTITg.23911$YA5.5125@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
>
>> What is your unelegant solution?
>
> yeah. i'm interested too.
>
> i use ntbackup's "system" backup for winxp. for winme "system", i
> pretty much do nothing. (even though fresh install usually bsods a few
> times before succeeding)
>
> cobian or "data" and program userfiles.
>
> for occasional manual copies, i use 7zip for "data" and program
> userfiles. usual example: i zip my firefox profile, immediately before
> update install of firefox.

Um, it was a joke? actually if that is too involved you don't want to know
how I do it.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

Re: back up plan for ME by Betsy

Betsy
Tue Oct 03 00:51:31 CDT 2006

BJ Honeycut wrote:
> On Sun 01 Oct 2006 05:02:03p, "MsOsWin@anon.com" <MsOsWin@anon.com> took
> the time to tell us all in news:Xns984F8EC0BDF5BM@207.46.248.16:
>
>> betsy <betsy@nowh.ere> in
>> news:pTITg.23911$YA5.5125@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
>>
>>> What is your unelegant solution?
>> yeah. i'm interested too.
>>
>> i use ntbackup's "system" backup for winxp. for winme "system", i
>> pretty much do nothing. (even though fresh install usually bsods a few
>> times before succeeding)
>>
>> cobian or "data" and program userfiles.
>>
>> for occasional manual copies, i use 7zip for "data" and program
>> userfiles. usual example: i zip my firefox profile, immediately before
>> update install of firefox.
>
> Um, it was a joke? actually if that is too involved you don't want to know
> how I do it.
>

I lost my sense of humor a while ago. Setting up an old computer again
is twice the work and none of the fun of setting up a new computer.

May I rant? I went to Windows Update and the first thing I let Update do
was install Internet Explorer 6 (ME shipped with IE5). IE set itself as
my default browser and added a bunch of things to startup without asking
me. I found them because my computer immediately slowed down with all
that stuff loading on startup. And so on ...

Re: back up plan for ME by BJ

BJ
Tue Oct 03 10:24:40 CDT 2006

On Tue 03 Oct 2006 01:51:31a, Betsy Garfield <betsy@nowh.ere> took the
time to tell us all in
news:DTmUg.27721$YA5.13922@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> BJ Honeycut wrote:
>> On Sun 01 Oct 2006 05:02:03p, "MsOsWin@anon.com" <MsOsWin@anon.com>
>> took the time to tell us all in news:Xns984F8EC0BDF5BM@207.46.248.16:
>>
>>> betsy <betsy@nowh.ere> in
>>> news:pTITg.23911$YA5.5125@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
>>>
>>>> What is your unelegant solution?
>>> yeah. i'm interested too.
>>>
>>> i use ntbackup's "system" backup for winxp. for winme "system", i
>>> pretty much do nothing. (even though fresh install usually bsods a
>>> few times before succeeding)
>>>
>>> cobian or "data" and program userfiles.
>>>
>>> for occasional manual copies, i use 7zip for "data" and program
>>> userfiles. usual example: i zip my firefox profile, immediately
>>> before update install of firefox.
>>
>> Um, it was a joke? actually if that is too involved you don't want to
>> know how I do it.
>>
>
> I lost my sense of humor a while ago. Setting up an old computer again
> is twice the work and none of the fun of setting up a new computer.
>
> May I rant? I went to Windows Update and the first thing I let Update
> do was install Internet Explorer 6 (ME shipped with IE5). IE set
> itself as my default browser and added a bunch of things to startup
> without asking me. I found them because my computer immediately slowed
> down with all that stuff loading on startup. And so on ...

sorry, Betsy: had I known I wouldn't have taunted you. That is very trying
to say the least. :)

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike

Re: back up plan for ME by Betsy

Betsy
Wed Oct 04 00:47:38 CDT 2006

BJ Honeycut wrote:
> On Tue 03 Oct 2006 01:51:31a, Betsy Garfield <betsy@nowh.ere> took the
> time to tell us all in
> news:DTmUg.27721$YA5.13922@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
>
>> BJ Honeycut wrote:
>>> On Sun 01 Oct 2006 05:02:03p, "MsOsWin@anon.com" <MsOsWin@anon.com>
>>> took the time to tell us all in news:Xns984F8EC0BDF5BM@207.46.248.16:
>>>
>>>> betsy <betsy@nowh.ere> in
>>>> news:pTITg.23911$YA5.5125@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:
>>>>
>>>>> What is your unelegant solution?
>>>> yeah. i'm interested too.
>>>>
>>>> i use ntbackup's "system" backup for winxp. for winme "system", i
>>>> pretty much do nothing. (even though fresh install usually bsods a
>>>> few times before succeeding)
>>>>
>>>> cobian or "data" and program userfiles.
>>>>
>>>> for occasional manual copies, i use 7zip for "data" and program
>>>> userfiles. usual example: i zip my firefox profile, immediately
>>>> before update install of firefox.
>>> Um, it was a joke? actually if that is too involved you don't want to
>>> know how I do it.
>>>
>> I lost my sense of humor a while ago. Setting up an old computer again
>> is twice the work and none of the fun of setting up a new computer.
>>
>> May I rant? I went to Windows Update and the first thing I let Update
>> do was install Internet Explorer 6 (ME shipped with IE5). IE set
>> itself as my default browser and added a bunch of things to startup
>> without asking me. I found them because my computer immediately slowed
>> down with all that stuff loading on startup. And so on ...
>
> sorry, Betsy: had I known I wouldn't have taunted you. That is very trying
> to say the least. :)
>

That's ok. My husband's really tiptoeing around me right now so I don't
start raving away ... I think this too shall pass. :-)

Re: back up plan for ME by BJ

BJ
Wed Oct 04 03:37:02 CDT 2006

On Wed 04 Oct 2006 01:47:38a, Betsy Garfield <betsy@nowh.ere> took the time
to tell us all in news:_VHUg.23606$K02.13@tornado.tampabay.rr.com:

> That's ok. My husband's really tiptoeing around me right now so I don't
> start raving away ... I think this too shall pass. :-)
>
>

All thinggs must pass. Darn I miss Georde Harrison.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike