Windows ME support

My computer was built component by component. It had no
OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased WME
upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
(at least that is what I thought I was buying) of windows
over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer a
question about a missing file and how to reinstall it from
a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file. I
don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
din't delete it.
Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
gets treated.

Jerry
Wed Apr 21 23:42:40 CDT 2004

You are NOT a Microsoft customer when buying OEM.

"John Cronin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:276801c42820$62ec14c0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> My computer was built component by component. It had no
> OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
> windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
> upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased WME
> upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
> to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
> manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
> (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of windows
> over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer a
> question about a missing file and how to reinstall it from
> a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
> random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file. I
> don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
> din't delete it.
> Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
> gets treated.

Art
Thu Apr 22 00:07:57 CDT 2004

Exactly, I suggest 98SE or XP Pro. for your computer needs.

"Jerry" <NoSpamChiefZeke@MSN.com> wrote in message
news:u$YO$QCKEHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: You are NOT a Microsoft customer when buying OEM.
:
: "John Cronin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
: news:276801c42820$62ec14c0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
: > My computer was built component by component. It had no
: > OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
: > windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
: > upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased WME
: > upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
: > to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
: > manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
: > (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of windows
: > over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer a
: > question about a missing file and how to reinstall it from
: > a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
: > random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file. I
: > don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
: > din't delete it.
: > Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
: > gets treated.
:
:

Mike
Thu Apr 22 03:48:42 CDT 2004

If you bought an OEM product then support is from the OEM who purchased the
system from Microsoft at a very considerable discount on the grounds that they
the OEM, were to provide full end user support. I agree though that the whole
issue of OEM support is a shambles, or should that be sham, and continues to
exist today with the sale of XP although it does give the user access to
software at considerably reduced prices. This is something quickly forgotten
if the need for help arises.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com

.
John Cronin <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> My computer was built component by component. It had no
> OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
> windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
> upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased WME
> upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
> to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
> manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
> (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of windows
> over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer a
> question about a missing file and how to reinstall it from
> a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
> random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file. I
> don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
> din't delete it.
> Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
> gets treated.

Mart
Thu Apr 22 03:53:34 CDT 2004

OK, rant done, now - Why is it missing?

Probably because it is NOT part of WinMe - nor Win98 for that matter! - and
is NOT included with the installation disks.

It's part of other applications e.g. Works Suite 2001, Encarta, etc., so I
would suggest you try searching on the MS Knowledge Base for mfc42u to see
which applications MAY apply to your PC, then try re-installing it/them.

Mart


"John Cronin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:276801c42820$62ec14c0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> My computer was built component by component. It had no
> OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
> windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
> upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased WME
> upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
> to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
> manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
> (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of windows
> over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer a
> question about a missing file and how to reinstall it from
> a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
> random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file. I
> don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
> din't delete it.
> Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
> gets treated.

anonymous
Thu Apr 22 14:51:27 CDT 2004

But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
OEM. WalMart probably got reduced prices, but I doubt
that the retail customers did.

Regards, Joe


>-----Original Message-----
>If you bought an OEM product then support is from the OEM
who purchased the
>system from Microsoft at a very considerable discount on
the grounds that they
>the OEM, were to provide full end user support. I agree
though that the whole
>issue of OEM support is a shambles, or should that be
sham, and continues to
>exist today with the sale of XP although it does give the
user access to
>software at considerably reduced prices. This is
something quickly forgotten
>if the need for help arises.
>--
>Mike Maltby MS-MVP
>mcmaltby@hotmail.com
>
>..
>John Cronin <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> My computer was built component by component. It had no
>> OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
>> windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
>> upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased
WME
>> upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
>> to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
>> manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
>> (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of
windows
>> over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer
a
>> question about a missing file and how to reinstall it
from
>> a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
>> random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file.
I
>> don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
>> din't delete it.
>> Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
>> gets treated.
>
>
>.
>

Mike
Thu Apr 22 15:16:17 CDT 2004

Joe,

> But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
> OEM.

Which is why I said I feel that the whole area of OEM software is a sham and
that Microsoft haven't helped matters by at one time allowing OEM operating
systems to be sold with just a power cord. Personally I feel that OEM
software should only be sold as part of a complete system or from a system
builder who makes it clear that they are providing support and that where the
software is sold by outlets such as Wal-Mart, Staples PCWorld or the like it
should be a full Microsoft copy including eligibility for support from
Microsoft.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:

> But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
> OEM. WalMart probably got reduced prices, but I doubt
> that the retail customers did.

Rick
Thu Apr 22 20:10:56 CDT 2004

Mike M wrote:

> Joe,
>
>
>>But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
>>OEM.
>
>
> Which is why I said I feel that the whole area of OEM software is a sham and
> that Microsoft haven't helped matters by at one time allowing OEM operating
> systems to be sold with just a power cord. Personally I feel that OEM
> software should only be sold as part of a complete system or from a system
> builder who makes it clear that they are providing support and that where the
> software is sold by outlets such as Wal-Mart, Staples PCWorld or the like it
> should be a full Microsoft copy including eligibility for support from
> Microsoft.

Umm, don't newer OEM CDs have printed right on them "For Use with a New
Computer Only"(or something like that) printed on them ? (my win95 one
did; I'm probably running borderline legal, cuz even though I have the
original system it was for (cannibalized), my ME-Upgrade is onto one I
mostly built myself).


Rick

Art
Thu Apr 22 20:23:48 CDT 2004

That sounds like a good idea.

"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:ek25vaKKEHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: Joe,
:
: > But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
: > OEM.
:
: Which is why I said I feel that the whole area of OEM software is a
sham and
: that Microsoft haven't helped matters by at one time allowing OEM
operating
: systems to be sold with just a power cord. Personally I feel that
OEM
: software should only be sold as part of a complete system or from a
system
: builder who makes it clear that they are providing support and that
where the
: software is sold by outlets such as Wal-Mart, Staples PCWorld or the
like it
: should be a full Microsoft copy including eligibility for support
from
: Microsoft.
: --
: Mike Maltby MS-MVP
: mcmaltby@hotmail.com
:
:
: anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com
<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>
: wrote:
:
: > But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
: > OEM. WalMart probably got reduced prices, but I doubt
: > that the retail customers did.
:
:

anonymous
Thu Apr 22 22:13:57 CDT 2004

The only thing I know is that as each version of windows
(W98, W98SE upgrade, WME upgrade) became available on the
market I went to my local retail store and bought it off
the shelf. Their was no packaging even hinting that this
was an OEM product. It just said it was good old
Microsoft. When I bought my first computer way back when
I understood the fact that when it came with W95 installed
I had to go to the seller for any problems with the OS
because it was an OEM installation. I think Microsoft
owes it to the consumer to have a disclaimer on the
packaging warning the potential retail version purchaser
that the OS he is purchasing off of the shelf is an OEM
version and is not entitled to any Microsoft Customer
Support and accepts this if they decide to purchase this.
This warning should be prominent and not hidden within any
agreement that you read while in the installation process
of the OS at home. I will climb off of my soap box now.


>-----Original Message-----
>You are NOT a Microsoft customer when buying OEM.
>
>"John Cronin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message
>news:276801c42820$62ec14c0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> My computer was built component by component. It had no
>> OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
>> windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
>> upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased
WME
>> upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
>> to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
>> manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
>> (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of
windows
>> over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer
a
>> question about a missing file and how to reinstall it
from
>> a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
>> random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file.
I
>> don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
>> din't delete it.
>> Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
>> gets treated.
>
>
>.
>

anonymous
Thu Apr 22 22:24:24 CDT 2004

Actually I dual boot my computer. On "C" I use Windows Me
for any games because less system memory is used by the OS
as compared to WXP PRO and the fact that it has a system
restore feature and it still recognizes my game port
flight set up of CH Force FX + CH Pro Throttle + CH Pro
Pedals. And before you suggest I change to USB products
CH products no longer sell any Force Feedback Joysticks.
On my second hard drive, "D", I have WXP Pro for all of my
serious functions, such as Office 2000 Premium etc. It
has been setup for almost two years like this and has run
flawlessly until this mfc42u.dll issue. I also have two
older machines set up the same way for two of my sons,
using W98SE (because motherboard requires special bios ro
run WME) and WXP PRO.


>-----Original Message-----
>Exactly, I suggest 98SE or XP Pro. for your computer
needs.
>
>"Jerry" <NoSpamChiefZeke@MSN.com> wrote in message
>news:u$YO$QCKEHA.2784@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>: You are NOT a Microsoft customer when buying OEM.
>:
>: "John Cronin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in message
>: news:276801c42820$62ec14c0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>: > My computer was built component by component. It had
no
>: > OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
>: > windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
>: > upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I
purchased WME
>: > upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows
it
>: > to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
>: > manufacturer for support. I bought the retail
versions
>: > (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of
windows
>: > over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to
answer a
>: > question about a missing file and how to reinstall it
from
>: > a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
>: > random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll
file. I
>: > don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
>: > din't delete it.
>: > Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a
customer
>: > gets treated.
>:
>:
>
>
>.
>

anonymous
Thu Apr 22 22:38:44 CDT 2004

Well then the question that begs to be asked is whether
Wal Mart, Staples, Office Max are distributors for
computer system manufacturers. You get better prices at
actual distribution businesses. Usually it is Joe
Consumer who goes into these retail establishemnts and
purchases the software. For the sake of arguement I
purchase a new Motherboard and install it in my tower, I
reformat my drives and now install this OEM version on the
machine. Would this be considered a new computer
satisfyng the clause that this if for use with new
computers? I am not building it to sell for profit, but
for my own personal use. Am I considered an Original
Equipment Manufacturer. My way of thinking is that
Microsoft is selling the project and that OEM is a legal
method for them passing the buck of support off to someone
else.

>-----Original Message-----
>Mike M wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>>
>>>But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
>>>OEM.
>>
>>
>> Which is why I said I feel that the whole area of OEM
software is a sham and
>> that Microsoft haven't helped matters by at one time
allowing OEM operating
>> systems to be sold with just a power cord. Personally
I feel that OEM
>> software should only be sold as part of a complete
system or from a system
>> builder who makes it clear that they are providing
support and that where the
>> software is sold by outlets such as Wal-Mart, Staples
PCWorld or the like it
>> should be a full Microsoft copy including eligibility
for support from
>> Microsoft.
>
>Umm, don't newer OEM CDs have printed right on them "For
Use with a New
>Computer Only"(or something like that) printed on them ?
(my win95 one
>did; I'm probably running borderline legal, cuz even
though I have the
>original system it was for (cannibalized), my ME-Upgrade
is onto one I
>mostly built myself).
>
>
>Rick
>.
>

Noel
Fri Apr 23 00:25:12 CDT 2004

The purpose for which the OS is bought is irrelevant - the fact is that
under the sales agreement, the vendor of an OEM copy can ONLY sell it with a
defined piece of hardware. Unfortunately, the definitions used for hardware
have gotten somewhat vague at times - and it has been known for OS's to be
'legally' sold with a case screw!
Whatever, ALL OEM versions have an OEM in the Product ID (and, IIRC, in the
Product Key). ALL OEM versions DO have labelling that states that they are
OEM versions - it may not be as obvious as we would all like, but it's
there.

It's not MS selling the OEM versions to you - it's the reseller! AFAIK, MS
does NOT sell OEM products to end-users under any circumstances (partly
because they don't sell 'qualifying' hardware!).

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2004, Win9x)

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<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:320201c428e4$7ac03d50$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> Well then the question that begs to be asked is whether
> Wal Mart, Staples, Office Max are distributors for
> computer system manufacturers. You get better prices at
> actual distribution businesses. Usually it is Joe
> Consumer who goes into these retail establishemnts and
> purchases the software. For the sake of arguement I
> purchase a new Motherboard and install it in my tower, I
> reformat my drives and now install this OEM version on the
> machine. Would this be considered a new computer
> satisfyng the clause that this if for use with new
> computers? I am not building it to sell for profit, but
> for my own personal use. Am I considered an Original
> Equipment Manufacturer. My way of thinking is that
> Microsoft is selling the project and that OEM is a legal
> method for them passing the buck of support off to someone
> else.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Mike M wrote:
> >
> >> Joe,
> >>
> >>
> >>>But he probably had no way of knowing that he was buying
> >>>OEM.
> >>
> >>
> >> Which is why I said I feel that the whole area of OEM
> software is a sham and
> >> that Microsoft haven't helped matters by at one time
> allowing OEM operating
> >> systems to be sold with just a power cord. Personally
> I feel that OEM
> >> software should only be sold as part of a complete
> system or from a system
> >> builder who makes it clear that they are providing
> support and that where the
> >> software is sold by outlets such as Wal-Mart, Staples
> PCWorld or the like it
> >> should be a full Microsoft copy including eligibility
> for support from
> >> Microsoft.
> >
> >Umm, don't newer OEM CDs have printed right on them "For
> Use with a New
> >Computer Only"(or something like that) printed on them ?
> (my win95 one
> >did; I'm probably running borderline legal, cuz even
> though I have the
> >original system it was for (cannibalized), my ME-Upgrade
> is onto one I
> >mostly built myself).
> >
> >
> >Rick
> >.
> >

Rick
Fri Apr 23 10:52:39 CDT 2004

Noel Paton wrote:

> The purpose for which the OS is bought is irrelevant - the fact is that
> under the sales agreement, the vendor of an OEM copy can ONLY sell it with a
> defined piece of hardware. Unfortunately, the definitions used for hardware
> have gotten somewhat vague at times - and it has been known for OS's to be
> 'legally' sold with a case screw!
> Whatever, ALL OEM versions have an OEM in the Product ID (and, IIRC, in the
> Product Key). ALL OEM versions DO have labelling that states that they are
> OEM versions - it may not be as obvious as we would all like, but it's
> there.
>
> It's not MS selling the OEM versions to you - it's the reseller! AFAIK, MS
> does NOT sell OEM products to end-users under any circumstances (partly
> because they don't sell 'qualifying' hardware!).
>

Which leads me to wonder if the OP actually has an OEM version.... the
label says (on my w95 oem)

"For Distribution Only with a New PC"

which pretty obviously puts the ball squarely in Walmart's court



Rick

Jack
Sat Apr 24 12:25:38 CDT 2004

mfc42u.dll
Filedescription: MFCDLL Shared Library - Retail Version, v. 6.00.8665.0
Filesize to download: 451k
http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?mfc42u

Put the dll in C:\windows\system.
------

FWIW, my current version is 6.0.8267.0, Modified 8/04/1999.
-------
MFC Files

"Many companies did, and still do, use MFC in their windows
applications.
They would include those dll's (as they are licensed for redistribution)
with their install packages."

It would have come from any program that used MFC and included the dll
in
their distribution package. Microsoft Office, for example, at least
version
2002 and prior includes the mfc dlls in its distribution. Identifying
exactly which one put the copy you are specifically querying about is a
futile effort. You would need to look at every application installed on
your PC, see if the app uses MFC (many will) and then look at the
install
package for the app to see if it put the exact version on your machine.

MFC (Microsoft Foundation Classes) is a set of class libraries that
allow
C++ programmers to quickly generate robust Windows applications. The
libraries encapsulate some of the more complex code that is required for
coding C++ Windows applications. This allows for rapid development as
the
programmer doesn't need to worry about, for example, how to create and
register a window class. Nor does the developer need to worry about
what
styles to apply to a window in order to make it an input text box as
opposed
to a label box. Nor does the programmer need to worry about what API or
message would need to be used to read the text from a window. This is
all
encapsulated so the programmer need only to call a function or access a
property to get the data that is desired.

Tom Porterfield 1/15/2003
-----

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Bill Blanton 1/15/2003
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"John Cronin" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:276801c42820$62ec14c0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> My computer was built component by component. It had no
> OS installed. I purchased W98 for computers without
> windows and installed it. I subsequently bought the
> upgrade to W98SE and installed it. Lastly I purchased WME
> upgrade and installed it. The equipment number shows it
> to be OEM. Microsoft tells me I have to go to the
> manufacturer for support. I bought the retail versions
> (at least that is what I thought I was buying) of windows
> over time at Wal Mart. How is Wal Mart going to answer a
> question about a missing file and how to reinstall it from
> a cab file from the disk. I can see asking a
> random "associate" how to I replace my MFC42U.dll file. I
> don't know what cause the file to disappear, because I
> din't delete it.
> Excuse a bit of the rant, but it irks me how a customer
> gets treated.