Testing...

...one two three.

Why do you always get people who complain about test posts and say there are
dedicated test groups? How does posting to a test group demonstrate whether
windowsme.general is working or not?

Shane

Shane
Wed Jan 31 06:27:42 CST 2007

Okay, but how does it tell you if windowsme.x - but not windowsxp.x - is
down? I can see a point when the group is working properly as evidenced by
others posting to it, but when it goes close to 2 days without any post, the
'dross' reason not to is clearly irrelevant. Unless one can post to test
groups on the specific windowsme.x servers. As I understood it, Microsoft
have been having trouble with the windowsme servers the last couple of
weeks, not all servers.

Okay, my position now is that I should have specified *not to a group you
can clearly see was working until very recently on Google Groups and, *.

Shane

N. Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:28:38 -0000, Shane wrote:
>
>> ...one two three.
>>
>> Why do you always get people who complain about test posts and say
>> there are dedicated test groups?
>
> Because it clutters the group with unnecessary dross.
>
>> How does posting to a test group demonstrate whether
>> windowsme.general is working or not?
>
> You are testing the ability of the news client to interact with the
> NNTP server. The interaction is the same, regardless of the group. If
> the post works in the test group, it _will_ work with any other group
> on the NNTP server. In the end, you are testing
> 'msnews.microsoft.com', not 'windowsme.general'.

Heirloom
Wed Jan 31 09:13:04 CST 2007

Ah, a little more clutter, added to the existing stockpile, will probably
not be noticed. Half the fun of this NG is the OT hilarity, threads that
require carbon dating to their origin and the fact that people still get the
help they need.
Heirloom, old and lots to do


"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message
news:842h8ql09j08.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:28:38 -0000, Shane wrote:
>
>> ...one two three.
>>
>> Why do you always get people who complain about test posts and say there
>> are
>> dedicated test groups?
>
> Because it clutters the group with unnecessary dross.
>
>> How does posting to a test group demonstrate whether
>> windowsme.general is working or not?
>
> You are testing the ability of the news client to interact with the NNTP
> server. The interaction is the same, regardless of the group. If the post
> works in the test group, it _will_ work with any other group on the NNTP
> server. In the end, you are testing 'msnews.microsoft.com', not
> 'windowsme.general'.
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Shine, bright morning light,
> ~now in the air the spring is coming.
> ~Sweet, blowing wind,
> ~singing down the hills and valleys.

Shane
Wed Jan 31 10:01:21 CST 2007

N. Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 04:28:38 -0000, Shane wrote:
>
>> ...one two three.
>>
>> Why do you always get people who complain about test posts and say
>> there are dedicated test groups?
>
> Because it clutters the group with unnecessary dross.

Usually I suppose this is the case, but not always - not in this case for
instance, when there were apparently no posts for more than a day -
mid-week. One expects minimal activity of a weekend but mid-week it still
seems to imply server problems.

I should have specified *when Google Groups shows nothing and when resetting
the group all posts download again bar, again, the potentially absent ones
that made one suspicious in the first place*. iwo I wasn't specific enough,
but nor are most who post the critical retorts to test posts - because a
test group does not show when the problem is with the windowsme.x servers as
distinct from, say, the windowsxp.x servers, does it? The msnews.public
servers have had no shortage of problems over the years! I've only ever made
test posts because windowsme.x group posts specifically are noticeable by
their absence while other msnews.public groups are as busy as ever. It used
to almost always be because the servers were having problems. Now it seems
more frequently simply that nobody's posted for a day or two.

I guess, when a group is busy and then someone posts a *test* post, it is
reasonable to point him/her to a test group. But when it isn't busy,
complaining is no more justified than all those who have over the years
criticised regulars here for top posting, when top posting here is the norm.

btw if in our previous exchange your response to me was the 'complaint' you
mentioned, I never for a moment took it as a complaint. It was reasonable
dialogue. Now, if you'd wrote to M$ about my post, *that* would have been
what I consider *being up oneself*. I'm sure you didn't do that.

Shane

>
>> How does posting to a test group demonstrate whether
>> windowsme.general is working or not?
>
> You are testing the ability of the news client to interact with the
> NNTP server. The interaction is the same, regardless of the group. If
> the post works in the test group, it _will_ work with any other group
> on the NNTP server. In the end, you are testing
> 'msnews.microsoft.com', not 'windowsme.general'.

webster72n
Wed Jan 31 11:57:47 CST 2007


Glad you did this, Shane and relieved me of my worries.
Never mind any *Critics*.
How else would you find out??
Thanks.

Harry.

"Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ...one two three.
>
> Why do you always get people who complain about test posts and say there
are
> dedicated test groups? How does posting to a test group demonstrate
whether
> windowsme.general is working or not?
>
> Shane
>
>