We have an old Gateway PC that was upgraded to Windows ME a few years
ago. The machine has 384MB of RAM, and a P2 450Mhz Pentium processor.

A few weeks ago, I noticed that when browsing thru the Start menu
programs, the lists will open up lighting quick. Faster than they should
be. It makes it difficult to browse thru the various programs with the
mouse cursor. I suspect this glitch has something to do with the various
registry cleaning programs I use on the computer. Anyway, is there a way to
slow this down?

Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Sun Feb 06 12:41:10 CST 2005

HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop\MenuShowDelay

Try adding a value of 400 (the default speed in ms).

Shane


"History Fan" <IreallyHATEspam@IREALLYhateSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:xotNd.8884$y83.1652@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> We have an old Gateway PC that was upgraded to Windows ME a few years
> ago. The machine has 384MB of RAM, and a P2 450Mhz Pentium processor.
>
> A few weeks ago, I noticed that when browsing thru the Start menu
> programs, the lists will open up lighting quick. Faster than they should
> be. It makes it difficult to browse thru the various programs with the
> mouse cursor. I suspect this glitch has something to do with the various
> registry cleaning programs I use on the computer. Anyway, is there a way
> to slow this down?
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by History

History
Sun Feb 06 13:05:46 CST 2005

"Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop\MenuShowDelay
>
> Try adding a value of 400 (the default speed in ms).
>
> Shane

Thanks for the info. I applied that value, and the Start menu seems
to have slowed down to normal speed.




Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Sun Feb 06 13:20:40 CST 2005


"History Fan" <IreallyHATEspam@IREALLYhateSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:eUtNd.9341$y83.241@fe37.usenetserver.com...
> "Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:36n6mdF534gmtU1@individual.net...
>> HKCU\Control Panel\Desktop\MenuShowDelay
>>
>> Try adding a value of 400 (the default speed in ms).
>>
>> Shane
>
> Thanks for the info. I applied that value, and the Start menu
> seems to have slowed down to normal speed.

No problem, glad it's worked.


Shane



Re: Start menu glitch by History

History
Sun Feb 06 14:28:04 CST 2005

> Thanks for the info. I applied that value, and the Start menu
> seems to have slowed down to normal speed.
>

Previously the value was set at "0".





Re: Start menu glitch by heirloom

heirloom
Sun Feb 06 15:32:05 CST 2005

So, you have an "old Gateway PII-450", huh?......now I really feel bad.
Mine is a Gateway PII-400.
Heirloom, old and wish I had one of those new
fangled ones

"History Fan" <IreallyHATEspam@IREALLYhateSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> > Thanks for the info. I applied that value, and the Start menu
> > seems to have slowed down to normal speed.
> >
>
> Previously the value was set at "0".
>
>
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Mike

Mike
Sun Feb 06 15:48:20 CST 2005

heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:

> So, you have an "old Gateway PII-450", huh?......now I really feel
> bad. Mine is a Gateway PII-400.

What am I bid for a Gateway GP6-333 with 128MB? That's a celeron not a
PII. It's also now running XP Home rather than the original Win98. <g>
--
Mike




Re: Start menu glitch by Noel

Noel
Sun Feb 06 15:56:44 CST 2005

Hah!!
I have a no-name Celeron 333 here, which I'm robbing the mobo off to rebuild
into my defunct G6-400!!


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"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
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> heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
>
>> So, you have an "old Gateway PII-450", huh?......now I really feel
>> bad. Mine is a Gateway PII-400.
>
> What am I bid for a Gateway GP6-333 with 128MB? That's a celeron not a
> PII. It's also now running XP Home rather than the original Win98. <g>
> --
> Mike
>
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Jack

Jack
Tue Feb 08 08:09:11 CST 2005

And my old WinME machine, from Jan 1998, which my mother-in-law now uses for
AOL, is a AMD K6-2 at 200 MHz, and 256 MB.
IIRC, Noel, et. al., recently discussed running XP Home on this type of
hardware, and slightly better.

I'm about to migrate a friend's five year old Dell using a S.E.C.C.2 P III
at 700 MHz. from Win98SE to XP Home after uping the memory from 128 to 640
MB. I suspect it will be just fine for her word processing, e-mail, and
internet shopping, while being far more robust and secure.
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"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> Hah!!
> I have a no-name Celeron 333 here, which I'm robbing the mobo off to
rebuild
> into my defunct G6-400!!
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
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>
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> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:OPmjUWJDFHA.328@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
> >
> >> So, you have an "old Gateway PII-450", huh?......now I really feel
> >> bad. Mine is a Gateway PII-400.
> >
> > What am I bid for a Gateway GP6-333 with 128MB? That's a celeron not a
> > PII. It's also now running XP Home rather than the original Win98. <g>
> > --
> > Mike
> >



Re: Start menu glitch by Noel

Noel
Tue Feb 08 14:48:37 CST 2005

I'd agree with that prognosis, Jack - so long as the hardware can support it
(or vice-versa!)

Certainly, I've seen a number of similar configurations (even with a lot
less than 640MB RAM) that run very sweetly under XP - but make sure that SP2
is supported before beginning the upgrade process (assuming you're going the
'cheapskate's route' of using an eBay XP copy<g>) - and/or running the
compatibility tester first!

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"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:uC2bEfeDFHA.3108@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> And my old WinME machine, from Jan 1998, which my mother-in-law now uses
> for
> AOL, is a AMD K6-2 at 200 MHz, and 256 MB.
> IIRC, Noel, et. al., recently discussed running XP Home on this type of
> hardware, and slightly better.
>
> I'm about to migrate a friend's five year old Dell using a S.E.C.C.2 P III
> at 700 MHz. from Win98SE to XP Home after uping the memory from 128 to 640
> MB. I suspect it will be just fine for her word processing, e-mail, and
> internet shopping, while being far more robust and secure.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.



Re: Start menu glitch by Jack

Jack
Wed Feb 09 09:00:27 CST 2005

I never use a warez copy, or work on any machine, for anyone, so installed.
I don't have any problem with intellectual property rights, or the need by
authors to make a living.

I intend to run the Upgrade Advisor from the XP Pro SP2 retail upgrade CD
first.
Of course, it's a Dell machine, so who can predict what will be found.

"Description of the Windows XP Upgrade Advisor"
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307726

You, and the rest here, will be among the first to know if anything is
amiss!
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"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> I'd agree with that prognosis, Jack - so long as the hardware can support
it
> (or vice-versa!)
>
> Certainly, I've seen a number of similar configurations (even with a lot
> less than 640MB RAM) that run very sweetly under XP - but make sure that
SP2
> is supported before beginning the upgrade process (assuming you're going
the
> 'cheapskate's route' of using an eBay XP copy<g>) - and/or running the
> compatibility tester first!
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:uC2bEfeDFHA.3108@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > And my old WinME machine, from Jan 1998, which my mother-in-law now uses
> > for
> > AOL, is a AMD K6-2 at 200 MHz, and 256 MB.
> > IIRC, Noel, et. al., recently discussed running XP Home on this type of
> > hardware, and slightly better.
> >
> > I'm about to migrate a friend's five year old Dell using a S.E.C.C.2 P
III
> > at 700 MHz. from Win98SE to XP Home after uping the memory from 128 to
640
> > MB. I suspect it will be just fine for her word processing, e-mail, and
> > internet shopping, while being far more robust and secure.
> > --
> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Noel

Noel
Wed Feb 09 14:32:24 CST 2005

<g>
I never meant to imply that you were likely to use warez - simply that
shrink-wrapped copies of XP are available on eBay.


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"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
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>I never use a warez copy, or work on any machine, for anyone, so installed.
> I don't have any problem with intellectual property rights, or the need by
> authors to make a living.
>
> I intend to run the Upgrade Advisor from the XP Pro SP2 retail upgrade CD
> first.
> Of course, it's a Dell machine, so who can predict what will be found.
>
> "Description of the Windows XP Upgrade Advisor"
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307726
>
> You, and the rest here, will be among the first to know if anything is
> amiss!
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:%23UKZQ%23hDFHA.1836@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> I'd agree with that prognosis, Jack - so long as the hardware can support
> it
>> (or vice-versa!)
>>
>> Certainly, I've seen a number of similar configurations (even with a lot
>> less than 640MB RAM) that run very sweetly under XP - but make sure that
> SP2
>> is supported before beginning the upgrade process (assuming you're going
> the
>> 'cheapskate's route' of using an eBay XP copy<g>) - and/or running the
>> compatibility tester first!
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
>> news:uC2bEfeDFHA.3108@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > And my old WinME machine, from Jan 1998, which my mother-in-law now
>> > uses
>> > for
>> > AOL, is a AMD K6-2 at 200 MHz, and 256 MB.
>> > IIRC, Noel, et. al., recently discussed running XP Home on this type
>> > of
>> > hardware, and slightly better.
>> >
>> > I'm about to migrate a friend's five year old Dell using a S.E.C.C.2 P
> III
>> > at 700 MHz. from Win98SE to XP Home after uping the memory from 128 to
> 640
>> > MB. I suspect it will be just fine for her word processing, e-mail,
>> > and
>> > internet shopping, while being far more robust and secure.
>> > --
>> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>> >
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Wed Feb 09 14:34:15 CST 2005

And Vulcan Bombers.


Shane


"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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> <g>
> I never meant to imply that you were likely to use warez - simply that
> shrink-wrapped copies of XP are available on eBay.
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:eGWHYgrDFHA.2568@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>I never use a warez copy, or work on any machine, for anyone, so
>>installed.
>> I don't have any problem with intellectual property rights, or the need
>> by
>> authors to make a living.
>>
>> I intend to run the Upgrade Advisor from the XP Pro SP2 retail upgrade CD
>> first.
>> Of course, it's a Dell machine, so who can predict what will be found.
>>
>> "Description of the Windows XP Upgrade Advisor"
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307726
>>
>> You, and the rest here, will be among the first to know if anything is
>> amiss!
>> --
>> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>> ------
>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23UKZQ%23hDFHA.1836@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> I'd agree with that prognosis, Jack - so long as the hardware can
>>> support
>> it
>>> (or vice-versa!)
>>>
>>> Certainly, I've seen a number of similar configurations (even with a lot
>>> less than 640MB RAM) that run very sweetly under XP - but make sure that
>> SP2
>>> is supported before beginning the upgrade process (assuming you're going
>> the
>>> 'cheapskate's route' of using an eBay XP copy<g>) - and/or running the
>>> compatibility tester first!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>>
>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>
>>> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
>>> NG's
>>>
>>> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uC2bEfeDFHA.3108@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> > And my old WinME machine, from Jan 1998, which my mother-in-law now
>>> > uses
>>> > for
>>> > AOL, is a AMD K6-2 at 200 MHz, and 256 MB.
>>> > IIRC, Noel, et. al., recently discussed running XP Home on this type
>>> > of
>>> > hardware, and slightly better.
>>> >
>>> > I'm about to migrate a friend's five year old Dell using a S.E.C.C.2 P
>> III
>>> > at 700 MHz. from Win98SE to XP Home after uping the memory from 128 to
>> 640
>>> > MB. I suspect it will be just fine for her word processing, e-mail,
>>> > and
>>> > internet shopping, while being far more robust and secure.
>>> > --
>>> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
>>> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>>> >
>>> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
>>> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Mike

Mike
Wed Feb 09 14:49:49 CST 2005

Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:

> And Vulcan Bombers.

As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord.
[Memory could of course be playing up again.] <g>
--
Mike




Re: Start menu glitch by Rick

Rick
Wed Feb 09 15:10:17 CST 2005

Mike M wrote:
> Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And Vulcan Bombers.
>
>
> As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord. [Memory could
> of course be playing up again.] <g>

dang, I was waiting for the price to go down so I could put it in the
backyard (hmmm... wonder if you could save shipping charges by having it
towed)

local doubletake-generator was a B26 on top of a company's H.O. ... but
they sold the place and (one would hope) donated it to a museum.


Rick

Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Wed Feb 09 15:32:59 CST 2005


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:eGAptjuDFHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And Vulcan Bombers.
>
> As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord. [Memory could of
> course be playing up again.] <g>
> --

That does ring a bell. And why not, the Vulcan was, iirc, stood open to the
elements at Manchester Airport for a couple of decades and well-beyond
airworthiness by all accounts.

Remember when they were first being sold - along with the Lightnings? You
could have either for £5,000. I'd just left school and started work, and
thought about it until the practicalities of where to keep it and how to get
it there intruded.

£5,000, stripped of sensitive electronics and armaments, but otherwise
airworthy and doubtless impeccably maintained!

<really great big long drawn out sigh!>


Shane



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Wed Feb 09 15:37:07 CST 2005


"Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e4XcGvuDFHA.2220@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Mike M wrote:
>> Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And Vulcan Bombers.
>>
>>
>> As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord. [Memory could
>> of course be playing up again.] <g>
>
> dang, I was waiting for the price to go down so I could put it in the
> backyard (hmmm... wonder if you could save shipping charges by having it
> towed)
>
> local doubletake-generator was a B26 on top of a company's H.O. ... but
> they sold the place and (one would hope) donated it to a museum.
>

See my reply to Mike, Rick.

btw, I see the B2 Stealth referred to (on Discovery Wings) as a Black
Bomber. But they certainly weren't made in Loughborough, though there was a
tie-in with the WWII bomber crews.


Shane



Re: Start menu glitch by Noel

Noel
Wed Feb 09 15:37:18 CST 2005

...There was also the sale a few weeks ago of a roll of toilet paper *NOT*
used by the Beatles (apparently they considered it too harsh for their
delicate bits). - I forget what it eventually went for, but it was
considerably more than I would have been prepared for it - even if I'd had
Bill Gates' credit card!
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1232562.html?menu=

Ah - I see I was reliably misinformed......
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3866769181

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"Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e4XcGvuDFHA.2220@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Mike M wrote:
>> Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And Vulcan Bombers.
>>
>>
>> As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord. [Memory could
>> of course be playing up again.] <g>
>
> dang, I was waiting for the price to go down so I could put it in the
> backyard (hmmm... wonder if you could save shipping charges by having it
> towed)
>
> local doubletake-generator was a B26 on top of a company's H.O. ... but
> they sold the place and (one would hope) donated it to a museum.
>
>
> Rick



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Wed Feb 09 15:48:16 CST 2005

"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:%23Z7WG%23uDFHA.632@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> ...There was also the sale a few weeks ago of a roll of toilet paper *NOT*
> used by the Beatles (apparently they considered it too harsh for their
> delicate bits). - I forget what it eventually went for, but it was

That just makes me want to jab a fork in someone's eye. Poss. the Little Man
at the Off Licence's.

> considerably more than I would have been prepared for it - even if I'd had
> Bill Gates' credit card!

I believe that's on there next week!


Shane



Re: Start menu glitch by heirloom

heirloom
Wed Feb 09 19:49:32 CST 2005

Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds equates to
in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that is airworthy.
Heirloom, old and wants a B-24

"Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:eGAptjuDFHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And Vulcan Bombers.
> >
> > As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord. [Memory could
of
> > course be playing up again.] <g>
> > --
>
> That does ring a bell. And why not, the Vulcan was, iirc, stood open to
the
> elements at Manchester Airport for a couple of decades and well-beyond
> airworthiness by all accounts.
>
> Remember when they were first being sold - along with the Lightnings? You
> could have either for £5,000. I'd just left school and started work, and
> thought about it until the practicalities of where to keep it and how to
get
> it there intruded.
>
> £5,000, stripped of sensitive electronics and armaments, but otherwise
> airworthy and doubtless impeccably maintained!
>
> <really great big long drawn out sigh!>
>
>
> Shane
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Wed Feb 09 20:49:47 CST 2005

Heirloom,

In the late-40's the RAF wanted an interceptor that could go supersonic in
level flight. The English Electric Lightning went into service in 1960 and
exceeded Mach 2. It was the E-type Jag of jet fighters. It was astonishingly
fast, 60,000ft ceiling, handled like a British sports car. The first pilots
to convert to them would desperately try to get the nose up to avoid going
supersonic on takeoff. There's a tale - possibly apocryphal, but told by the
original pilots - of a French test pilot come to try the new jet during the
early drive for export orders. They told him not to use reheat on take-off,
but he did anyway and hit 30,000 ft before he got the undercarriage up! The
Lightning's air show party piece was to take off and, while barely off the
runway, stand on it's tail and shoot vertically into the clouds! Man what a
sound those two Rolls Royce engines made!

http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/zombie1024.jpg


Shane


"heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
news:eOIwALxDFHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds equates
> to
> in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that is airworthy.
> Heirloom, old and wants a B-24
>
> "Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:36vdsbF58oeliU2@individual.net...
>>
>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>> news:eGAptjuDFHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And Vulcan Bombers.
>> >
>> > As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord. [Memory could
> of
>> > course be playing up again.] <g>
>> > --
>>
>> That does ring a bell. And why not, the Vulcan was, iirc, stood open to
> the
>> elements at Manchester Airport for a couple of decades and well-beyond
>> airworthiness by all accounts.
>>
>> Remember when they were first being sold - along with the Lightnings? You
>> could have either for £5,000. I'd just left school and started work, and
>> thought about it until the practicalities of where to keep it and how to
> get
>> it there intruded.
>>
>> £5,000, stripped of sensitive electronics and armaments, but otherwise
>> airworthy and doubtless impeccably maintained!
>>
>> <really great big long drawn out sigh!>
>>
>>
>> Shane
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Wed Feb 09 21:01:59 CST 2005

Another link: http://www.capetownjets.com/electric.html

That 5 grand was basically the scrap value. This is around about 1980
(although both planes lasted a few more years in service). Still it was a
fair deal and I wonder if you're familiar with the Vulcan Bomber, as I think
you might think that was a fairly outrageous price. The Vulcan is
reminiscent of Concorde, being delta winged and with four great Bristol
Olympus engines. Not as sleek and (because) not supersonic, it was intended
to fly to the Soviet Union and drop atomic bombs! One did drop conventional
bombs on the runway at Port Stanley in '83. It was built by Avro, who also
built the Lancaster.

The Vulcan, with Blue Steel atomic bomb beneath:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/617vulcanb21024.jpg

Shane

"Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3700efF578l3aU1@individual.net...
> Heirloom,
>
> In the late-40's the RAF wanted an interceptor that could go supersonic in
> level flight. The English Electric Lightning went into service in 1960 and
> exceeded Mach 2. It was the E-type Jag of jet fighters. It was
> astonishingly fast, 60,000ft ceiling, handled like a British sports car.
> The first pilots to convert to them would desperately try to get the nose
> up to avoid going supersonic on takeoff. There's a tale - possibly
> apocryphal, but told by the original pilots - of a French test pilot come
> to try the new jet during the early drive for export orders. They told him
> not to use reheat on take-off, but he did anyway and hit 30,000 ft before
> he got the undercarriage up! The Lightning's air show party piece was to
> take off and, while barely off the runway, stand on it's tail and shoot
> vertically into the clouds! Man what a sound those two Rolls Royce engines
> made!
>
> http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/gallery/zombie1024.jpg
>
>
> Shane
>
>
> "heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
> news:eOIwALxDFHA.1564@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds equates
>> to
>> in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that is airworthy.
>> Heirloom, old and wants a B-24
>>
>> "Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:36vdsbF58oeliU2@individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>>> news:eGAptjuDFHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>> > Shane <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> And Vulcan Bombers.
>>> >
>>> > As purchased, I seem to recall, by a Lancs pub landlord. [Memory
>>> > could
>> of
>>> > course be playing up again.] <g>
>>> > --
>>>
>>> That does ring a bell. And why not, the Vulcan was, iirc, stood open to
>> the
>>> elements at Manchester Airport for a couple of decades and well-beyond
>>> airworthiness by all accounts.
>>>
>>> Remember when they were first being sold - along with the Lightnings?
>>> You
>>> could have either for £5,000. I'd just left school and started work, and
>>> thought about it until the practicalities of where to keep it and how to
>> get
>>> it there intruded.
>>>
>>> £5,000, stripped of sensitive electronics and armaments, but otherwise
>>> airworthy and doubtless impeccably maintained!
>>>
>>> <really great big long drawn out sigh!>
>>>
>>>
>>> Shane
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Rick

Rick
Wed Feb 09 22:42:05 CST 2005

heirloom wrote:
> Would that be a P38 Lightning??

A P-38 in any condition would break your bank account, they're rarer
than P-51 Mustangs (which start at half a mil these days).

Production costs for those things were $20-40K, 60-70 years ago.

> Don't know how much 5K Pounds equates to
> in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that is airworthy.
> Heirloom, old and wants a B-24

I wanna Mosquito. Or a Dragon Rapide... even a Colt (on floats) if I'm
not in a hurry and somebody else is paying for gas.

Rick

I've seen Sabres(Sabers?) in people's backyards... dammit, where was *I*
when all this was going on?....

Imagine explaining that one to the SO...
"ummmm it followed me home; can I keep it? aw c'mon, I didn't complain
about your new dress..."

Re: Start menu glitch by heirloom

heirloom
Wed Feb 09 22:57:11 CST 2005

Thanks Shane! Those are just too cool.....I love aircraft of all types.
The Vulcan pic with the "bomb"......it actually looks like an X-15 on the
belly, not unlike the way the B-52's took them up for launch. I was totally
unfamiliar with the Lightning...the only one I knew of was the
P-38.....quite a performer in its' own right, for it's time.
Of course, it wouldn't hold a candle to the "Electric." That was a good pic
of it shadowing the Bear.
Heirloom, old and flown in a few warbirds myself

"Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:370159F57476pU1@individual.net...
> Another link: http://www.capetownjets.com/electric.html
>



Re: Start menu glitch by heirloom

heirloom
Wed Feb 09 23:15:18 CST 2005

Yup, Rick, I know. Had a nice 'walkaround' about a Mustang P-51D this past
weekend, also, an F-4C Phantom. A friend of mine that I ride with is
helping restore the Phantom (all the armament has been removed, of course).
It is being restored for "show" only. The Confederate Air Force has a
hangar a few miles from here, lots of vintage aircraft there.......got a
Jap Zero and a Thunderbolt, too.
Heirloom, old and maybe when I hit the lotto

....if I do, I'll get you that Mosquito, Rick. :-)


"Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uW7gkryDFHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> heirloom wrote:
> > Would that be a P38 Lightning??
>
> A P-38 in any condition would break your bank account, they're rarer
> than P-51 Mustangs (which start at half a mil these days).
>
> Production costs for those things were $20-40K, 60-70 years ago.
>
> > Don't know how much 5K Pounds equates to
> > in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that is airworthy.
> > Heirloom, old and wants a B-24
>
> I wanna Mosquito. Or a Dragon Rapide... even a Colt (on floats) if I'm
> not in a hurry and somebody else is paying for gas.
>
> Rick
>
> I've seen Sabres(Sabers?) in people's backyards... dammit, where was *I*
> when all this was going on?....
>
> Imagine explaining that one to the SO...
> "ummmm it followed me home; can I keep it? aw c'mon, I didn't complain
> about your new dress..."



Re: Start menu glitch by Rick

Rick
Thu Feb 10 00:48:26 CST 2005

heirloom wrote:
> Yup, Rick, I know. Had a nice 'walkaround' about a Mustang P-51D this past
> weekend,

dang... I'm not even sure I've even seen one for real outside of photos
(possibly in the air at an airshow when I was younger).

Owner let me ooh and ahh at his T28 up close last time I was south of
the border and getting an airfix (itty-bitty Katana and some yahoo in a
Sukhoi(I think) kept buzzing me) ... not a small aircraft, that one.

Guess I'll just have to settle for front seat up in a Tiger Moth at one
of the local airports :)

> also, an F-4C Phantom. A friend of mine that I ride with is
> helping restore the Phantom (all the armament has been removed, of course).
> It is being restored for "show" only. The Confederate Air Force has a
> hangar a few miles from here, lots of vintage aircraft there.......got a
> Jap Zero and a Thunderbolt, too.

That's another one on my must-see-to-believe list(P-47)

> Heirloom, old and maybe when I hit the lotto
>
> ....if I do, I'll get you that Mosquito, Rick. :-)
>

The last flying one's more near you than me; good luck getting Kermit to
part with it... I *would* settle for materials and plans and tools to
build another one though :)


Rick

Re: Start menu glitch by Mike

Mike
Thu Feb 10 07:18:16 CST 2005

Not quite. <g> See http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/
There were however P1, P1A and P1B variants of the EE Lightning which were
the original prototypes.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:

> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds
> equates to in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that
> is airworthy. Heirloom, old and wants a
> B-24


Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Thu Feb 10 07:43:23 CST 2005

Or how about this, which stunned me (not least because I didn't know about
the CAA thing!): http://www.lightningusa.org/


Shane


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:uIx2vL3DFHA.3256@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Not quite. <g> See http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/
> There were however P1, P1A and P1B variants of the EE Lightning which were
> the original prototypes.
> --
> Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
>
>> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds
>> equates to in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that
>> is airworthy. Heirloom, old and wants a
>> B-24
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Thu Feb 10 07:55:28 CST 2005

> Heirloom, old and flown in a few warbirds
> myself

I envy you that! I've seen stuff about the P38's on Discovery, and there's a
Mustang at the RAF Museum about a mile down the road (beautiful-looking
plane, but unfortunately static!).

Here the CAA won't allow restored aircraft to fly. (there's a lot of
officialdom in this country I'd string up if I was in charge! I don't see
the point in having a *Traitor's Gate* if they get to keep their
heads.......)


Shane



Re: Start menu glitch by Rick

Rick
Thu Feb 10 12:12:45 CST 2005

Shane wrote:
>> Heirloom, old and flown in a few warbirds
>>myself
>
>
> I envy you that! I've seen stuff about the P38's on Discovery, and there's a
> Mustang at the RAF Museum about a mile down the road (beautiful-looking
> plane, but unfortunately static!).

World's most beautiful aircraft bar none. Too bad about the 'static' thing.

> Here the CAA won't allow restored aircraft to fly.

I think they're allowed over here under an 'Experimental' rating... same
category as homebuilts.

> (there's a lot of
> officialdom in this country I'd string up if I was in charge! I don't see
> the point in having a *Traitor's Gate* if they get to keep their
> heads.......)

Which is a good plan and all, but everybody's on somebody else's 'on a
pike' list.




Re: Start menu glitch by Rick

Rick
Thu Feb 10 12:13:01 CST 2005

heheh

Yours Truly,

Walter 'Rick' Mitty
(mostly)

Re: Start menu glitch by heirloom

heirloom
Thu Feb 10 19:39:24 CST 2005

I'm only one state away from Mississippi!!!!.......may have to jump on the
bike and run over there to see that!
Heirloom, old and any excuse for a ride


"Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3716nvF575e52U1@individual.net...
> Or how about this, which stunned me (not least because I didn't know about
> the CAA thing!): http://www.lightningusa.org/
>
>
> Shane
>
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:uIx2vL3DFHA.3256@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Not quite. <g> See http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/
> > There were however P1, P1A and P1B variants of the EE Lightning which
were
> > the original prototypes.
> > --
> > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds
> >> equates to in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that
> >> is airworthy. Heirloom, old and wants a
> >> B-24
> >
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Thu Feb 10 20:14:34 CST 2005

If you do, 'Loom, let us know how it's going!

And have a good ride!


Shane


"heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
news:ORr0Hq9DFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> I'm only one state away from Mississippi!!!!.......may have to jump on the
> bike and run over there to see that!
> Heirloom, old and any excuse for a ride
>
>
> "Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3716nvF575e52U1@individual.net...
> > Or how about this, which stunned me (not least because I didn't know
about
> > the CAA thing!): http://www.lightningusa.org/
> >
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> > "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> > news:uIx2vL3DFHA.3256@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Not quite. <g> See http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/
> > > There were however P1, P1A and P1B variants of the EE Lightning which
> were
> > > the original prototypes.
> > > --
> > > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds
> > >> equates to in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that
> > >> is airworthy. Heirloom, old and wants a
> > >> B-24
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Jack

Jack
Fri Feb 11 08:28:48 CST 2005

Calculate the estimated round trip bike time and talk to me, heirloom.
Intrigueing!
No "Easy Rider" side trips, though.
--
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"heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
news:ORr0Hq9DFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> I'm only one state away from Mississippi!!!!.......may have to jump on the
> bike and run over there to see that!
> Heirloom, old and any excuse for a ride
>
>
> "Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3716nvF575e52U1@individual.net...
> > Or how about this, which stunned me (not least because I didn't know
about
> > the CAA thing!): http://www.lightningusa.org/
> >
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> > "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> > news:uIx2vL3DFHA.3256@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > Not quite. <g> See http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/
> > > There were however P1, P1A and P1B variants of the EE Lightning which
> were
> > > the original prototypes.
> > > --
> > > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > > heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds
> > >> equates to in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on that
> > >> is airworthy. Heirloom, old and wants a
> > >> B-24
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by heirloom

heirloom
Fri Feb 11 13:55:27 CST 2005

472 miles from my house to the airport. Half the trip would be along the
La. and Ms. coastline. It would be a long day's run.......not a day trip.
Heirloom, old and will wait for dependable
weather

"Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
news:%23ItOAYEEFHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Calculate the estimated round trip bike time and talk to me, heirloom.
> Intrigueing!
> No "Easy Rider" side trips, though.
> --
> Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> ------
> "heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
> news:ORr0Hq9DFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > I'm only one state away from Mississippi!!!!.......may have to jump on
the
> > bike and run over there to see that!
> > Heirloom, old and any excuse for a ride
> >
> >
> > "Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:3716nvF575e52U1@individual.net...
> > > Or how about this, which stunned me (not least because I didn't know
> about
> > > the CAA thing!): http://www.lightningusa.org/
> > >
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> > > news:uIx2vL3DFHA.3256@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > Not quite. <g> See
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/
> > > > There were however P1, P1A and P1B variants of the EE Lightning
which
> > were
> > > > the original prototypes.
> > > > --
> > > > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > > > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds
> > > >> equates to in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on
that
> > > >> is airworthy. Heirloom, old and wants a
> > > >> B-24
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Re: Start menu glitch by Jack

Jack
Fri Feb 11 16:01:02 CST 2005

Not a trip for for February, eh, at least on a bike?
--
Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
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"heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
news:%23WbkfOHEFHA.3032@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> 472 miles from my house to the airport. Half the trip would be along the
> La. and Ms. coastline. It would be a long day's run.......not a day trip.
> Heirloom, old and will wait for dependable
weather
>
> "Jack E Martinelli" <jemartin_DELETE@NO_SPAM_gis.net> wrote in message
> news:%23ItOAYEEFHA.3908@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Calculate the estimated round trip bike time and talk to me, heirloom.
> > Intrigueing!
> > No "Easy Rider" side trips, though.
> > --
> > Jack E. Martinelli 2002-05 MS MVP for Shell/User / DTS
> > Help us help you: http://www.dts-L.org/goodpost.htm
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx
> > Your cooperation is very appreciated.
> > ------
> > "heirloom" <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote in message
> > news:ORr0Hq9DFHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> > > I'm only one state away from Mississippi!!!!.......may have to jump on
> the bike and run over there to see that!
> > > Heirloom, old and any excuse for a ride
> > >
> > >
> > > "Shane" <arthursixpence@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3716nvF575e52U1@individual.net...
> > > > Or how about this, which stunned me (not least because I didn't know
> > about the CAA thing!): http://www.lightningusa.org/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shane
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> > > > news:uIx2vL3DFHA.3256@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Not quite. <g> See
> http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/lightning/
> > > > > There were however P1, P1A and P1B variants of the EE Lightning
> which were the original prototypes.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> > > > > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > heirloom <heirloom@nospamatall.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Would that be a P38 Lightning?? Don't know how much 5K Pounds
> > > > >> equates to in US Bucks, but, that seems like quite a deal for on
> > > > >>that is airworthy.

>> Heirloom, old and wants a B-24
> > > > >



Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Fri Feb 11 20:05:11 CST 2005

Hey, Rick!

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/478762/L/


Shane


"Rick T" <plinnane3REMOVE@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eazJiw5DFHA.3972@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Shane wrote:
> >> Heirloom, old and flown in a few warbirds
> >>myself
> >
> >
> > I envy you that! I've seen stuff about the P38's on Discovery, and
there's a
> > Mustang at the RAF Museum about a mile down the road (beautiful-looking
> > plane, but unfortunately static!).
>
> World's most beautiful aircraft bar none. Too bad about the 'static'
thing.
>
> > Here the CAA won't allow restored aircraft to fly.
>
> I think they're allowed over here under an 'Experimental' rating... same
> category as homebuilts.
>
> > (there's a lot of
> > officialdom in this country I'd string up if I was in charge! I don't
see
> > the point in having a *Traitor's Gate* if they get to keep their
> > heads.......)
>
> Which is a good plan and all, but everybody's on somebody else's 'on a
> pike' list.
>
>
>




Re: Start menu glitch by Rick

Rick
Fri Feb 11 21:54:08 CST 2005

Shane wrote:
> Hey, Rick!

which one? the
harrier
bleriot something (pre ww1 far side of the mossie)
messerschmitt 109
umm..*not* a zero
hawker something (biplane on the ceiling)
fokker d7
another luftwaffe something (under the mossie to the left)
plastic typhoon II

Nice ducky ;)

Nice mossie too... uhh...non-photogenic angle
("do these engines make me look fat?")
... wonder if you could stick a set of floats on one of those things.

pl

Re: Start menu glitch by Shane

Shane
Sat Feb 12 05:18:04 CST 2005

> umm..*not* a zero

It's a Kawasaki Ki100

> hawker something (biplane on the ceiling)

Hart. There's also a Tempest there.

> fokker d7
> another luftwaffe something (under the mossie to the left)

Me262.

> plastic typhoon II

They hope to get a real one sometime, I guess a prototype though.

Shane