Rhyme but no Reason to System Restore points deletion

'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of. I
don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.

Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
existed. It also seemed I never needed them.

Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
System Restore points can really save your system.

In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
destroys Restore points.

Can some one please clarify this situation?

HTH
Bob from Oceanside

Dapper
Mon Feb 11 11:46:21 PST 2008

Bob

This NG is getting quieter and quieter so not sure if one of the guru's will
appear with expert knowledge. In the meantime, rest assured that disk
defragging does not negatively impact System Restore. The first thing to
check is to ensure that you have the patch for SR, namely KB290700.

HTH

Dan

SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:e42c91d1-97b2-4fff-bd7b-8e19c60ae5e8@q21g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> 'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
> computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
> System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of. I
> don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
> to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
> disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.
>
> Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
> existed. It also seemed I never needed them.
>
> Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
> System Restore points can really save your system.
>
> In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
> destroys Restore points.
>
> Can some one please clarify this situation?
>
> HTH
> Bob from Oceanside

Mike
Mon Feb 11 11:51:15 PST 2008


Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> 'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
> computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
> System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of.

One good reason for this is obviously your messing about

> I
> don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
> to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
> disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.
>
> Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
> existed. It also seemed I never needed them.
>
> Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
> System Restore points can really save your system.
>
> In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
> destroys Restore points.
>
> Can some one please clarify this situation?

Answer. Stop fiddling <g> and instead explain exactly what is happening.
You have provided no details, no error messages, nothing other than
admitting you fiddled with your system and that system restore now no
longer works.

Meanwhile may I suggest you try the following quick test the results of
which might give a clue as to what is happening.

a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
b) Create a manual checkpoint
Could you create a checkpoint?
c) Delete the shortcut
d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created.
Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
e) Reboot your PC
Was the checkpoint retained?
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com

webster72n
Mon Feb 11 17:26:01 PST 2008


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:ebsqBeObIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 'opefully there is still time for me to learn to control our WinMe
> > computer. I've noticed since I got to messing around with it, that
> > System Restore points dissappearing for no reason I was aware of.
>
> One good reason for this is obviously your messing about
>
> > I
> > don't run some of the Disk Cleaning Utilities nearly as much as I used
> > to. I used to Defragment alot (every night) because I had seen how
> > disk (file) fragmentation can degrade system response time.
> >
> > Back then I never used System Restore points - was barely aware they
> > existed. It also seemed I never needed them.
> >
> > Nowadays things have changed (Dunno why / wish I did)
> > System Restore points can really save your system.
> >
> > In these circumstances, I am pretty sure that the Defragment utility
> > destroys Restore points.
> >
> > Can some one please clarify this situation?
>
> Answer. Stop fiddling <g> and instead explain exactly what is happening.
> You have provided no details, no error messages, nothing other than
> admitting you fiddled with your system and that system restore now no
> longer works.
>
> Meanwhile may I suggest you try the following quick test the results of
> which might give a clue as to what is happening.
>
> a) Create a shortcut on your desktop to a file.
> b) Create a manual checkpoint
> Could you create a checkpoint?
> c) Delete the shortcut
> d) Restore your PC to the checkpoint you created.
> Was the shortcut restored? Did you see any error messages?
> e) Reboot your PC
> Was the checkpoint retained?

Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing happened to
me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light', I lost all of my
restore points and only realized the reason, when reading this post. I
followed your recommended procedure and was unable to retain the checkpoint,
the shortcut remained in the recycle bin and was not reproduced on the
desktop..
There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic.
Nothing else seems to be wrong.
<H>.

> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
>

Mike
Mon Feb 11 18:16:28 PST 2008

Harry,

I personally doubt that running diskeeper light has much to do with your
problem otherwise we would have seen many such reports over the last eight
years. Defragging a system doesn't delete files from the system restore
archive. You say you were unable to retain a checkpoint after rebooting
your system. Something else is at play here, probably something you run
each time you boot your system but in the absence of information I'll
leave it to you to establish what that might be.

> shortcut remained in the recycle bin

As I would expect. System Restore has no interest in the recycle bin nor
its contents. Restored files are not restored from the recycle bin but
rather from the system restore archive.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing
> happened to me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light',
> I lost all of my restore points and only realized the reason, when
> reading this post. I followed your recommended procedure and was
> unable to retain the checkpoint, the shortcut remained in the recycle
> bin and was not reproduced on the desktop..
> There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic.
> Nothing else seems to be wrong.
> <H>.

webster72n
Mon Feb 11 19:03:35 PST 2008


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:eNuGJ1RbIHA.5248@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Harry,
>
> I personally doubt that running diskeeper light has much to do with your
> problem otherwise we would have seen many such reports over the last eight
> years. Defragging a system doesn't delete files from the system restore
> archive. You say you were unable to retain a checkpoint after rebooting
> your system.

My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut within
the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.
Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and System
Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out for any
inconsistencies in this area.
Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike.

Harry.

> Something else is at play here, probably something you run
> each time you boot your system but in the absence of information I'll
> leave it to you to establish what that might be.
>
> > shortcut remained in the recycle bin
>
> As I would expect. System Restore has no interest in the recycle bin nor
> its contents. Restored files are not restored from the recycle bin but
> rather from the system restore archive.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Don't mean to interfere, Mike, but oddly enough the same thing
> > happened to me after my last defragmentation with 'Diskeeper Light',
> > I lost all of my restore points and only realized the reason, when
> > reading this post. I followed your recommended procedure and was
> > unable to retain the checkpoint, the shortcut remained in the recycle
> > bin and was not reproduced on the desktop..
> > There were no error messages and the reboot is automatic.
> > Nothing else seems to be wrong.
> > <H>.
>

Mike
Mon Feb 11 20:09:15 PST 2008

At the risk of repeating myself THE RECYCLE BIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
SYSTEM RESTORE. System Restore does not use the recycle bin, it does not
undelete files from the recycle bin. After eight years I would have hoped
that you would know this.

> My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
> within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.

Nonsensical. A checkpoint is exactly that, a snapshot frozen in time of
the state of the system at that point. So if snapshot/checkpoint "A" was
made when the shortcut/file or whatever was present, then if subsequently
the shortcut or file is deleted, restoring to snapshot/checkpoint "A" will
restore the deleted file or shortcut regardless of whether it is in the
recycle bin PROVIDED that the file is a) of a type monitored by system
restore (and shortcuts are) and b) the file/shortcut is in a monitored
location such as the desktop unless you have chosen to modify filelist.xml
and exclude that location.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:

> My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
> within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.
> Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and
> System Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out
> for any inconsistencies in this area.
> Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike.

webster72n
Mon Feb 11 20:49:14 PST 2008


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:uB%23QN0SbIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> At the risk of repeating myself THE RECYCLE BIN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
> SYSTEM RESTORE. System Restore does not use the recycle bin, it does not
> undelete files from the recycle bin. After eight years I would have hoped
> that you would know this.
>
> > My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
> > within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.
>
> Nonsensical. A checkpoint is exactly that, a snapshot frozen in time of
> the state of the system at that point. So if snapshot/checkpoint "A" was
> made when the shortcut/file or whatever was present, then if subsequently
> the shortcut or file is deleted, restoring to snapshot/checkpoint "A" will
> restore the deleted file or shortcut regardless of whether it is in the
> recycle bin PROVIDED that the file is a) of a type monitored by system
> restore (and shortcuts are) and b) the file/shortcut is in a monitored
> location such as the desktop unless you have chosen to modify filelist.xml
> and exclude that location.

Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.

> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My mistake, I phrased it wrong: I was unable to retain the shortcut
> > within the checkpoint, it stayed in the recycle bin.
> > Since I don't have any problems creating a System CheckPoint and
> > System Restore works fine otherwise, I'll have to be on the look-out
> > for any inconsistencies in this area.
> > Thanks for the enlightenment, Mike.
>

Mike
Tue Feb 12 02:00:23 PST 2008

> Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?

Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension whereas
those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore only
monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user data,
That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut on your
desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet location or site

Repeating myself briefly.
Create shortcut
Create checkpoint to a file on the system
Delete shortcut
Rollback to checkpoint
The checkpoint should now be restored.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:

> Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
> I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.

Mike
Tue Feb 12 03:56:45 PST 2008

Correction (Thanks G or perhaps that should be webster999)
> Create checkpoint to a file on the system
should, of course, have read
Create SHORTCUT to a file on the system.

Se what you're doing to me now Harry? I just can't even think straight
any more! <vbg>
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


Mike M <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:

>> Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
>
> Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension
> whereas those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore
> only monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user
> data, That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut
> on your desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet
> location or site
> Repeating myself briefly.
> Create shortcut
> Create checkpoint to a file on the system
> Delete shortcut
> Rollback to checkpoint
> The checkpoint should now be restored.
>
>> Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
>> I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.

webster72n
Tue Feb 12 09:09:15 PST 2008


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:OLmzZ5WbIHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Correction (Thanks G or perhaps that should be webster999)
> > Create checkpoint to a file on the system
> should, of course, have read
> Create SHORTCUT to a file on the system.
>
> Se what you're doing to me now Harry? I just can't even think straight
> any more! <vbg>

My sentiments also, exactly, Mike.
I've gotten the drift on this by now and let you know where I stand when I'm
done.
Thanks, <H>.

> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> Mike M <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote:
>
> >> Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
> >
> > Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension
> > whereas those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore
> > only monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user
> > data, That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut
> > on your desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet
> > location or site
> > Repeating myself briefly.
> > Create shortcut
> > Create checkpoint to a file on the system
> > Delete shortcut
> > Rollback to checkpoint
> > The checkpoint should now be restored.
> >
> >> Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
> >> I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.
>

webster72n
Tue Feb 12 10:59:28 PST 2008


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:%23$luZ4VbIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> > Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
>
> Yes, Shortcuts to a file or folder have a (hidden) LNK extension whereas
> those to sites have a (hidden) URL extension. System Restore only
> monitors LNK files, not URL files as it has no interest in user data,
> That is why, in my initial post, I stated "a) Create a shortcut on your
> desktop to a file" rather than a shortcut to an internet location or site
>
> Repeating myself briefly.
> Create shortcut
> Create checkpoint to a file on the system
> Delete shortcut
> Rollback to checkpoint
> The checkpoint should now be restored.

Restored it was, Mike, thank you, and leaving me with the conclusion, that
the removal of checkpoints must have been 'periodical', because nothing else
is effected negatively in any way.
I don't mind at all seeing my problems solved in this fashion.
<H>.

> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Did I pick the wrong subject for the shortcut (Google website)?
> > I don't go into details, as modifying filelist.xml and the like.
>

Mike
Tue Feb 12 11:28:51 PST 2008

webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:

> Restored it was, Mike, thank you, and leaving me with the conclusion,
> that the removal of checkpoints must have been 'periodical', because
> nothing else is effected negatively in any way.
> I don't mind at all seeing my problems solved in this fashion.
> <H>.

Good. A result. I'd only be worried if your checkpoints regularly go
missing rather than just occasionally. How much space do you have
allocated to the archive? If a relatively small amount, as I do here,
then making a sequence of installs or uninstalls in close succession or if
using system restore to roll back through several checkpoints can cause
most checkpoints to be flushed unless the space allocated to the archive
is temporarily increased whilst all this activity is going on.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com

webster72n
Tue Feb 12 14:02:49 PST 2008


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:ehd7B2abIHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Restored it was, Mike, thank you, and leaving me with the conclusion,
> > that the removal of checkpoints must have been 'periodical', because
> > nothing else is effected negatively in any way.
> > I don't mind at all seeing my problems solved in this fashion.
> > <H>.
>
> Good. A result. I'd only be worried if your checkpoints regularly go
> missing rather than just occasionally. How much space do you have
> allocated to the archive?

1032 MB's and the way it looks to me, they are being flushed about every two
months or so.
Just didn't think it was time yet.
I do have Avast, which is interfering with SR, but don't know exactly to
what extent. <H>.

> If a relatively small amount, as I do here,
> then making a sequence of installs or uninstalls in close succession or if
> using system restore to roll back through several checkpoints can cause
> most checkpoints to be flushed unless the space allocated to the archive
> is temporarily increased whilst all this activity is going on.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>

Mike
Tue Feb 12 14:22:33 PST 2008

webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1032 MB's and the way it looks to me, they are being flushed about
> every two months or so.

Checkpoints are FIFO so older checkpoints should be being dropped all the
time as new checkpoints are created. Not necessarily on a 1 for 1 basis
but often four or five will be removed at the same time.

> Just didn't think it was time yet.
> I do have Avast, which is interfering with SR, but don't know exactly
> to what extent. <H>.


In what way do you think that Avast is interfering with SR? Is it
preventing the creating of automatic checkpoints? Manual checkpoints?
Restoration?
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com

webster72n
Tue Feb 12 14:55:44 PST 2008


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:OGFhFXcbIHA.3572@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 1032 MB's and the way it looks to me, they are being flushed about
> > every two months or so.
>
> Checkpoints are FIFO so older checkpoints should be being dropped all the
> time as new checkpoints are created. Not necessarily on a 1 for 1 basis
> but often four or five will be removed at the same time.
>
> > Just didn't think it was time yet.
> > I do have Avast, which is interfering with SR, but don't know exactly
> > to what extent. <H>.
>
>
> In what way do you think that Avast is interfering with SR?

From past discussions about the subject in this NG, I thought you were
familiar with the fact that Avast prevents the creation of automatic
checkpoints. Don't know if there would be other drawbacks, but I am willing
to trade this condition for the good performance (IMHO) of Avast.

> Is it
> preventing the creating of automatic checkpoints? Manual checkpoints?
> Restoration?
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>

Mike
Tue Feb 12 15:10:55 PST 2008

Thanks.
--
Mike Maltby
mike.maltby@gmail.com


webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:

> From past discussions about the subject in this NG, I thought you were
> familiar with the fact that Avast prevents the creation of automatic
> checkpoints. Don't know if there would be other drawbacks, but I am
> willing to trade this condition for the good performance (IMHO) of
> Avast.

webster72n
Tue Feb 12 18:53:55 PST 2008

Mike:
I am the one to owe you "Thanks" and a whole lot more.

Harry.


"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:uX9BJycbIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Thanks.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From past discussions about the subject in this NG, I thought you were
> > familiar with the fact that Avast prevents the creation of automatic
> > checkpoints. Don't know if there would be other drawbacks, but I am
> > willing to trade this condition for the good performance (IMHO) of
> > Avast.
>

Heather
Tue Feb 12 19:23:43 PST 2008

Don't believe him......I have been using Avast since last August and I
have 2 - 3 months of Restore Points.......and they are all being made
automatically. Just checked them last night as a matter of fact.

Either he is telling *porkies*, or he is doing yet another dumb thing to
his computer. And I am quite sure that I would see this so-called
problem of Avast on either the antivirus or malware groups. It ain't
there. OTOH, I don't think Harry is quite there either.......(snicker).

XX Figgs

"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:uX9BJycbIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Thanks.
> --
> Mike Maltby
> mike.maltby@gmail.com
>
>
> webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From past discussions about the subject in this NG, I thought you
>> were
>> familiar with the fact that Avast prevents the creation of automatic
>> checkpoints. Don't know if there would be other drawbacks, but I am
>> willing to trade this condition for the good performance (IMHO) of
>> Avast.
>

webster72n
Tue Feb 12 20:01:10 PST 2008


Don't believe him???
I am using Avast a lot longer than since last August and that condition was
common knowledge.
They may have changed/improved the program in the meantime. I even sent them
an email about a year ago or so with them replying that no changes could be
made at that time.
Are you sure you mean Avast and not AVG instead?
If the program is working without the flaw now, there must be a way for me
to correct the situation.
And you can save your "porkey" remarks!

Harry.


"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:OqR3O$ebIHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Don't believe him......I have been using Avast since last August and I
> have 2 - 3 months of Restore Points.......and they are all being made
> automatically. Just checked them last night as a matter of fact.
>
> Either he is telling *porkies*, or he is doing yet another dumb thing to
> his computer. And I am quite sure that I would see this so-called
> problem of Avast on either the antivirus or malware groups. It ain't
> there. OTOH, I don't think Harry is quite there either.......(snicker).
>
> XX Figgs
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:uX9BJycbIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks.
> > --
> > Mike Maltby
> > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From past discussions about the subject in this NG, I thought you
> >> were
> >> familiar with the fact that Avast prevents the creation of automatic
> >> checkpoints. Don't know if there would be other drawbacks, but I am
> >> willing to trade this condition for the good performance (IMHO) of
> >> Avast.
> >
>
>

Heather
Tue Feb 12 22:09:00 PST 2008

I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my name
is Heather, not Harry!! (G)

Perhaps you should upgrade to XP, old guy.


"webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ed2ZhTfbIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> Don't believe him???
> I am using Avast a lot longer than since last August and that
> condition was
> common knowledge.
> They may have changed/improved the program in the meantime. I even
> sent them
> an email about a year ago or so with them replying that no changes
> could be
> made at that time.
> Are you sure you mean Avast and not AVG instead?
> If the program is working without the flaw now, there must be a way
> for me
> to correct the situation.
> And you can save your "porkey" remarks!
>
> Harry.
>
>
> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OqR3O$ebIHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Don't believe him......I have been using Avast since last August and
>> I
>> have 2 - 3 months of Restore Points.......and they are all being made
>> automatically. Just checked them last night as a matter of fact.
>>
>> Either he is telling *porkies*, or he is doing yet another dumb thing
>> to
>> his computer. And I am quite sure that I would see this so-called
>> problem of Avast on either the antivirus or malware groups. It ain't
>> there. OTOH, I don't think Harry is quite there
>> either.......(snicker).
>>
>> XX Figgs
>>
>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
>> news:uX9BJycbIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> > Thanks.
>> > --
>> > Mike Maltby
>> > mike.maltby@gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From past discussions about the subject in this NG, I thought you
>> >> were
>> >> familiar with the fact that Avast prevents the creation of
>> >> automatic
>> >> checkpoints. Don't know if there would be other drawbacks, but I
>> >> am
>> >> willing to trade this condition for the good performance (IMHO) of
>> >> Avast.
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

webster72n
Wed Feb 13 10:48:34 PST 2008


"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my name
> is Heather, not Harry!! (G)
>
> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,

Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this is an
ME group, YL. :)

>old guy.
>
>
> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ed2ZhTfbIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >
> > Don't believe him???
> > I am using Avast a lot longer than since last August and that
> > condition was
> > common knowledge.
> > They may have changed/improved the program in the meantime. I even
> > sent them
> > an email about a year ago or so with them replying that no changes
> > could be
> > made at that time.
> > Are you sure you mean Avast and not AVG instead?
> > If the program is working without the flaw now, there must be a way
> > for me
> > to correct the situation.
> > And you can save your "porkey" remarks!
> >
> > Harry.
> >
> >
> > "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:OqR3O$ebIHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> Don't believe him......I have been using Avast since last August and
> >> I
> >> have 2 - 3 months of Restore Points.......and they are all being made
> >> automatically. Just checked them last night as a matter of fact.
> >>
> >> Either he is telling *porkies*, or he is doing yet another dumb thing
> >> to
> >> his computer. And I am quite sure that I would see this so-called
> >> problem of Avast on either the antivirus or malware groups. It ain't
> >> there. OTOH, I don't think Harry is quite there
> >> either.......(snicker).
> >>
> >> XX Figgs
> >>
> >> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> >> news:uX9BJycbIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > --
> >> > Mike Maltby
> >> > mike.maltby@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > webster72n <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> From past discussions about the subject in this NG, I thought you
> >> >> were
> >> >> familiar with the fact that Avast prevents the creation of
> >> >> automatic
> >> >> checkpoints. Don't know if there would be other drawbacks, but I
> >> >> am
> >> >> willing to trade this condition for the good performance (IMHO) of
> >> >> Avast.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Heather
Wed Feb 13 11:54:40 PST 2008


"webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my
>> name
>> is Heather, not Harry!! (G)
>>
>> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
>
> Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this
> is an ME group, YL. :)<<<

It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? And you are the
only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. Time to get into the
21st Century, old guy.

Young Lady.

webster72n
Wed Feb 13 12:43:00 PST 2008

You've got that right, YL:

Your logic escapes my "tentacles", therefore I will refrain from further
"interference".

Old Guy


"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:eyX58onbIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my
> >> name
> >> is Heather, not Harry!! (G)
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
> >
> > Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this
> > is an ME group, YL. :)<<<
>
> It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? And you are the
> only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. Time to get into the
> 21st Century, old guy.
>
> Young Lady.
>
>

Dapper
Wed Feb 13 14:37:31 PST 2008

I've been on XP for a couple of years Heather (sounds like a disease,
doesn't it). However my wife's Win Me was replaced with a Vista Laptop a
couple of months ago.
Translation: I can now play with the Me all I want without disrupting dearly
beloved. It's been fun because there is no pressure to fix what I break, if
that makes any sense! Given this NG is virtually dead, I feel comfortable
coming back every once in a while looking for support for something I did
wrong, whether it's related to the Me, XP or Vista.

Dan


"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:eyX58onbIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my name
>>> is Heather, not Harry!! (G)
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
>>
>> Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this is
>> an ME group, YL. :)<<<
>
> It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? And you are the
> only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. Time to get into the
> 21st Century, old guy.
>
> Young Lady.
>
>

Heather
Wed Feb 13 14:43:52 PST 2008

LOL!! Can't remember how long it has been for me.....2.5 years??
Anyway, the old WinME is behind me and I don't think it is working. But
it did cross my mind to mess about with it and learn more about stuff.

And this news group is a good place to do that!! Get Mike to bail me
out when I screw up, grin. So I totally understand what you are saying.

Cheers from snowy Brampton......I think we got more yesterday than you
did.....Heather

"Dapper Dan" <dapperdan@home.com> wrote in message
news:%23NUmHEpbIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> I've been on XP for a couple of years Heather (sounds like a disease,
> doesn't it). However my wife's Win Me was replaced with a Vista Laptop
> a couple of months ago.
> Translation: I can now play with the Me all I want without disrupting
> dearly beloved. It's been fun because there is no pressure to fix what
> I break, if that makes any sense! Given this NG is virtually dead, I
> feel comfortable coming back every once in a while looking for support
> for something I did wrong, whether it's related to the Me, XP or
> Vista.
>
> Dan
>
>
> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:eyX58onbIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my
>>>> name
>>>> is Heather, not Harry!! (G)
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
>>>
>>> Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and
>>> this is an ME group, YL. :)<<<
>>
>> It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? And you are
>> the only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. Time to get
>> into the 21st Century, old guy.
>>
>> Young Lady.
>>
>>
>
>

Dapper
Wed Feb 13 18:43:33 PST 2008

Looked like maybe 15cm-20cm in Oakville (6"-8" for our American friends).
Nice light stuff so the snow blower ran exceptionally well today, unlike
some of our earlier storms. Hopefully the end is in sight; another few weeks
and Spring will set in which basically starts our golf season!

Dan
"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23p7slJpbIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> LOL!! Can't remember how long it has been for me.....2.5 years?? Anyway,
> the old WinME is behind me and I don't think it is working. But it did
> cross my mind to mess about with it and learn more about stuff.
>
> And this news group is a good place to do that!! Get Mike to bail me out
> when I screw up, grin. So I totally understand what you are saying.
>
> Cheers from snowy Brampton......I think we got more yesterday than you
> did.....Heather
>
> "Dapper Dan" <dapperdan@home.com> wrote in message
> news:%23NUmHEpbIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I've been on XP for a couple of years Heather (sounds like a disease,
>> doesn't it). However my wife's Win Me was replaced with a Vista Laptop a
>> couple of months ago.
>> Translation: I can now play with the Me all I want without disrupting
>> dearly beloved. It's been fun because there is no pressure to fix what I
>> break, if that makes any sense! Given this NG is virtually dead, I feel
>> comfortable coming back every once in a while looking for support for
>> something I did wrong, whether it's related to the Me, XP or Vista.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:eyX58onbIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my
>>>>> name
>>>>> is Heather, not Harry!! (G)
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this
>>>> is an ME group, YL. :)<<<
>>>
>>> It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? And you are the
>>> only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. Time to get into the
>>> 21st Century, old guy.
>>>
>>> Young Lady.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Bob
Wed Feb 13 21:47:52 PST 2008

On Feb 13, 2:37=A0pm, "Dapper Dan" <dapper...@home.com> wrote:
> I've been on XP for a couple of years Heather (sounds like a disease,
> doesn't it). However my wife's Win Me was replaced with a Vista Laptop a
> couple of months ago.
> Translation: I can now play with the Me all I want without disrupting dear=
ly
> beloved. It's been fun because there is no pressure to fix what I break, i=
f
> that makes any sense! Given this NG is virtually dead, I feel comfortable
> coming back every once in a while looking for support for something I did
> wrong, whether it's related to the Me, XP or Vista.
>
> Dan
>
> "Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:eyX58onbIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "webster72n" <webster...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> >> "Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! =A0(not AVG) =A0But then, my=
name
> >>> is Heather, not Harry!! =A0(G)
>
> >>> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
>
> >> Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this i=
s
> >> an ME group, YL. :)<<<
>
> > It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? =A0And you are t=
he
> > only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. =A0Time to get into th=
e
> > 21st Century, old guy.
>
> > Young Lady.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hmmm. Maybe its not the fiddling, just the bow. Or maybe the resin?

I did ask about the XML file list as I did notice it was quite a piece
of work. And Mike M's elaboration got my attention. Fortunately or
not, I haven't fiddled at all beyond looking <yet>...
I think I may have mis-spoke. I mentioned ScanDisk but I should have
said what-ever-that-thing is-called-that-one-edits-the-Scheduler-to-
specify-when-and-how-often it runs.

I'm sure you all have it right if I can just describe it right.
Tonight I am bushed and will probably get it wronger ;) I will have
more tomorrow.

One other thing about the Scheduler... that must be messed up too is
it seems when it gets to the scheduled date/time, it then asks for a
confirmation before it gets down to business. I thought the point of
scheduling it was to run it at times when you are away from your
computer (sleeping for example). A confirmation is not useful at such
a time. So, when I get to my winME computer planning to do some work,
if I find the confirmation request from the Scheduler, I almost always
do NOT confirm. And I think I've noticed that I was keeping about two
months worth of restore points (same thing as check point?). In
November or so I went to a much larger C drive and I seem to be
keeping more restore points (except, dare I say it, when I loose them
because I let the scheduler go ahead and run disk housekeeping even
though I'd rather it did it when I was sleeping, if you know what I
mean).

Night'all.
Bob in Oceanside

Heather
Wed Feb 13 22:39:04 PST 2008

Hi Bob......I am falling asleep myself. But wait till tomorrow and Mike
will sort you out. Is that "thingy" called Defrag?? And to this day, I
have never used a Task Scheduler. Just rather do it myself. With my
luck I would mess it up.

Night.....Heather

"Bob" <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ead49ff5-8730-41f7-b9da-eb2dda59d5dd@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Hmmm. Maybe its not the fiddling, just the bow. Or maybe the resin?

I did ask about the XML file list as I did notice it was quite a piece
of work. And Mike M's elaboration got my attention. Fortunately or
not, I haven't fiddled at all beyond looking <yet>...
I think I may have mis-spoke. I mentioned ScanDisk but I should have
said what-ever-that-thing is-called-that-one-edits-the-Scheduler-to-
specify-when-and-how-often it runs.

I'm sure you all have it right if I can just describe it right.
Tonight I am bushed and will probably get it wronger ;) I will have
more tomorrow.

One other thing about the Scheduler... that must be messed up too is
it seems when it gets to the scheduled date/time, it then asks for a
confirmation before it gets down to business. I thought the point of
scheduling it was to run it at times when you are away from your
computer (sleeping for example). A confirmation is not useful at such
a time. So, when I get to my winME computer planning to do some work,
if I find the confirmation request from the Scheduler, I almost always
do NOT confirm. And I think I've noticed that I was keeping about two
months worth of restore points (same thing as check point?). In
November or so I went to a much larger C drive and I seem to be
keeping more restore points (except, dare I say it, when I loose them
because I let the scheduler go ahead and run disk housekeeping even
though I'd rather it did it when I was sleeping, if you know what I
mean).

Night'all.
Bob in Oceanside

Joan
Thu Feb 14 05:13:15 PST 2008

I think you were the last one weren't you Heather <g> mine is still
connected to my network although not turned on as much since Kelly moved out
but I do occasionally turn it on and John is supposed to be using it for
storage of his guinea pig records.
Looking out at the sunshine here, we've had some for the last 2 or 3 days
now thank goodness, we need it to dry everywhere up <g> it's still cold
though brrrrrr
Joan


"Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:#p7slJpbIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> LOL!! Can't remember how long it has been for me.....2.5 years?? Anyway,
> the old WinME is behind me and I don't think it is working. But it did
> cross my mind to mess about with it and learn more about stuff.
>
> And this news group is a good place to do that!! Get Mike to bail me out
> when I screw up, grin. So I totally understand what you are saying.
>
> Cheers from snowy Brampton......I think we got more yesterday than you
> did.....Heather
>
> "Dapper Dan" <dapperdan@home.com> wrote in message
> news:%23NUmHEpbIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I've been on XP for a couple of years Heather (sounds like a disease,
>> doesn't it). However my wife's Win Me was replaced with a Vista Laptop a
>> couple of months ago.
>> Translation: I can now play with the Me all I want without disrupting
>> dearly beloved. It's been fun because there is no pressure to fix what I
>> break, if that makes any sense! Given this NG is virtually dead, I feel
>> comfortable coming back every once in a while looking for support for
>> something I did wrong, whether it's related to the Me, XP or Vista.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:eyX58onbIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> "webster72n" <webster72n@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> "Heather" <figgyd@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! (not AVG) But then, my
>>>>> name
>>>>> is Heather, not Harry!! (G)
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this
>>>> is an ME group, YL. :)<<<
>>>
>>> It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? And you are the
>>> only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. Time to get into the
>>> 21st Century, old guy.
>>>
>>> Young Lady.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Bob
Thu Feb 14 10:47:22 PST 2008

Hello all, Dapper Dan, Heather, Mike M, Webster72... Top O' the
Morning to you.

Now that I've had all the sleep I can stand, here's a sitrep...

I'm loosing Restore Points. Yesterday I shot from the hip and blamed
ScanDisk. I've read your insights and thank you for that.

On further reflection, it isn't necessarily ScanDisk. In fact Mike M
has almost convinced me it isn't ScanDisk. I admit I don't exactly
know what it is. I'm pretty sure it isn't my fiddling, unless Mike is
refer to my looking under the hood (in this case, looking at the XML
file list with a text editor, probably Notepad). I'm tempted to
twiddle more but so far I'm holding to the position "if it ain't broke
don't fix it."

And System Restore is not broken. At least not totally. I just
checked and there are five February Restore Points in the kitty now.
On the other hand, when I checked, late January I believe, I had a
dozen or more Points for January but now they are gone. I was unhappy
at that time for loosing a couple about 30 for November and December.

I think It is something tied to the Maintenance Wizard (as ScanDisk
and Defragment are) and scheduled for periodic running thru the
Maintenance Wizard Schedule function. Perhaps the Delete Unnecessary
Files function is out-of-control?

Some times (Most times? I don't recall.) when I have wanted to
defragment, I opted to run it thru the Maintenance Wizard, NOT thru
the Accessories menu. And sometimes I run it in SafeMode (probably
from the SafeMode Help Menus). In regular mode I try to remember to
pull the Ethernet cable from the router when I do this sort of
maintenance. I haven't been turning off the AV. Maybe I'd get done
faster if I did.

ScanDisk has been running fairly often. Related to that, plain old
System Shutdown stopped working a few weeks back. I've been planning
to ask about that but just haven't gotten around to it. Saw that
problem so much with Win98Se that I no longer consider it unusual. A
somewhat carefully timed System Restart is a good work around.

For at least the last month and probably a lot longer, I have the
Delete Unnecessary Files function scheduled to run on the 1st of every
month deleting "unnecessary" 1.Temporary Internet files, 2.Recycle bin
(who was asking about this?), 3. Old ScanDisk files ("in the Root
folder"), 4.Temporary files - HMMMM, maybe this dude?, 4.1 Temporary
PC Health files, 4.2 Application Debugging information. Are
RestorePoints ever considered "Unnecessary Files"?

Anway, I am not dead-in-the-water, I have one or two backup drives.
Unfortunately even the most recent of these is probably a year old.
Kicking out McAfee + ZA and adding GriSoft are the main additions I
can think of.

Can the WinDiff program help out here?

On Feb 14, 5:13=A0am, "Joan Archer" <archer_j...@nospam.com> wrote:
> I think you were the last one weren't you Heather <g> mine is still
> connected to my network although not turned on as much since Kelly moved o=
ut
> but I do occasionally turn it on and John is supposed to be using it for
> storage of his guinea pig records.
> Looking out at the sunshine here, we've had some for the last 2 or 3 days
> now thank goodness, we need it to dry everywhere up <g> it's still cold
> though brrrrrr
> Joan
>
> "Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:#p7slJpbIHA.1960@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> > LOL!! =A0 Can't remember how long it has been for me.....2.5 years?? Any=
way,
> > the old WinME is behind me and I don't think it is working. =A0But it di=
d
> > cross my mind to mess about with it and learn more about stuff.
>
> > And this news group is a good place to do that!! =A0Get Mike to bail me =
out
> > when I screw up, grin. =A0So I totally understand what you are saying.
>
> > Cheers from snowy Brampton......I think we got more yesterday than you
> > did.....Heather
>
> > "Dapper Dan" <dapper...@home.com> wrote in message
> >news:%23NUmHEpbIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >> I've been on XP for a couple of years Heather (sounds like a disease,
> >> doesn't it). However my wife's Win Me was replaced with a Vista Laptop =
a
> >> couple of months ago.
> >> Translation: I can now play with the Me all I want without disrupting
> >> dearly beloved. It's been fun because there is no pressure to fix what =
I
> >> break, if that makes any sense! Given this NG is virtually dead, I feel=

> >> comfortable coming back every once in a while looking for support for
> >> something I did wrong, whether it's related to the Me, XP or Vista.
>
> >> Dan
>
> >> "Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:eyX58onbIHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> >>> "webster72n" <webster...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:%23MDBbDnbIHA.2268@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> >>>> "Heather" <fig...@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>news:Og%23SEbgbIHA.3472@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> I have absolutely no problem with AVAST!! =A0(not AVG) =A0But then, =
my
> >>>>> name
> >>>>> is Heather, not Harry!! =A0(G)
>
> >>>>> Perhaps you should upgrade to XP,
>
> >>>> Perhaps you shouldn't have replied, because you are using XP and this=

> >>>> is an ME group, YL. :)<<<
>
> >>> It took you 12 hours to come up with that observation?? =A0And you are=
the
> >>> only one using ME, btw.....other than Dapper Dan. =A0Time to get into =
the
> >>> 21st Century, old guy.
>
> >>> Young Lady.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -