Repeated disk corruption?

Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but
even if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs
again after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used
off mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
Suggestions?? - Michael

Mart
Mon Nov 15 05:26:52 CST 2004

Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download their
utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS (i.e. from the
WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good overnight thrashing.

BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that the
battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and in need of
replacement? They don't last forever!

Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending out
electrical interference which could also upset your machine.

Mart


"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
> apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but even
> if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs again
> after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used off
> mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
> dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
> trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
> disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
> Suggestions?? - Michael

Michael
Mon Nov 15 14:12:46 CST 2004

Mart wrote:
> Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download their
> utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS (i.e. from the
> WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good overnight thrashing.
>
> BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that the
> battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and in need of
> replacement? They don't last forever!
>
> Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending out
> electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>
>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but even
>>if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs again
>>after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used off
>>mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
>>dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
>>trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
>>disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
>>Suggestions?? - Michael
>
>
>
Laptop is with computer surgery that installed the disk. They say they
will give the disk a good thrashing by having it repeatedly write and
delete dummy files. Have previously changed battery but new one which
was Lithium Ion went west as well, despite normally being left on charge
24/7. That is, it's had two batteries in three and a half years. (How
long should a battery last?) Interested in the sparking theory though,
although with a laptop it is difficult to avoid it sometimes dislodging.
:-( What's your gut feeling on this, if the surgery don't find anything
is it time to give up on it and buy a new one?? Michael

Noel
Mon Nov 15 14:30:39 CST 2004

Leaving laptop batteries on charge 24/7 is NOT a good idea! - although
Lithium/ion batteries are (much?) less prone, it's a fact that all
rechargeable batteries have some 'memory' - and the more often a battery is
kept 'topped up' rather than allowed to discharge fully, the shorter the
effective life is likely to be.

BIOS problem??? what evidence do you have for that??? anything at all?

--
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"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:41990dbd_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> Mart wrote:
>> Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download their
>> utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS (i.e. from
>> the WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good overnight thrashing.
>>
>> BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that
>> the battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and in
>> need of replacement? They don't last forever!
>>
>> Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending out
>> electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>> "Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>> news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>
>>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but even
>>>if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs again
>>>after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used off
>>>mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
>>>dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
>>>trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
>>>disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
>>>Suggestions?? - Michael
>>
>>
>>
> Laptop is with computer surgery that installed the disk. They say they
> will give the disk a good thrashing by having it repeatedly write and
> delete dummy files. Have previously changed battery but new one which was
> Lithium Ion went west as well, despite normally being left on charge 24/7.
> That is, it's had two batteries in three and a half years. (How long
> should a battery last?) Interested in the sparking theory though, although
> with a laptop it is difficult to avoid it sometimes dislodging. :-( What's
> your gut feeling on this, if the surgery don't find anything is it time to
> give up on it and buy a new one?? Michael

Michael
Sat Nov 20 15:06:54 CST 2004

Noel Paton wrote:
> Leaving laptop batteries on charge 24/7 is NOT a good idea! - although
> Lithium/ion batteries are (much?) less prone, it's a fact that all
> rechargeable batteries have some 'memory' - and the more often a battery is
> kept 'topped up' rather than allowed to discharge fully, the shorter the
> effective life is likely to be.
>
> BIOS problem??? what evidence do you have for that??? anything at all?
>
Went on support forum and saw complaints from other users about the
bios, including apparent suggestions that batteries had been damaged.
Other bios problems including new bios apparently being worse

Michael
Mon Nov 22 13:37:02 CST 2004

Mart wrote:
> Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download their
> utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS (i.e. from the
> WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good overnight thrashing.
>
> BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that the
> battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and in need of
> replacement? They don't last forever!
>
> Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending out
> electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>
>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but even
>>if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs again
>>after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used off
>>mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
>>dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
>>trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
>>disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
>>Suggestions?? - Michael
>
>
>

OK here's the verdict from the computer surgery.

They say they've tested it thoroughly, no hardware fault with either
memory or disk. They conclude that the likeliest explanation is that a
program or software update is causing the problem and say they have
known that to occur before. They say the remedy is to restore it to as
new and then add programs/updates one at a time at intervals until I
find the culprit.

Does that sound reasonable??

Michael

Noel
Mon Nov 22 14:00:56 CST 2004

Yes - and No!!
They're copping out on it!!


--
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"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:41a23fdc_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> Mart wrote:
>> Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download their
>> utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS (i.e. from
>> the WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good overnight thrashing.
>>
>> BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that
>> the battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and in
>> need of replacement? They don't last forever!
>>
>> Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending out
>> electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>> "Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>> news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>
>>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but even
>>>if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs again
>>>after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used off
>>>mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
>>>dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
>>>trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
>>>disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
>>>Suggestions?? - Michael
>>
>>
>>
>
> OK here's the verdict from the computer surgery.
>
> They say they've tested it thoroughly, no hardware fault with either
> memory or disk. They conclude that the likeliest explanation is that a
> program or software update is causing the problem and say they have known
> that to occur before. They say the remedy is to restore it to as new and
> then add programs/updates one at a time at intervals until I find the
> culprit.
>
> Does that sound reasonable??
>
> Michael

Mart
Mon Nov 22 15:38:36 CST 2004

>> ..... They say the remedy is to restore it to as new
>> Does that sound reasonable??

My money's with you here, Noel. I think that I will keep watching this
thread - just in case <g>

Mart


"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:uNJK83M0EHA.2860@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Yes - and No!!
> They're copping out on it!!
>
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:41a23fdc_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>> Mart wrote:
>>> Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download their
>>> utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS (i.e. from
>>> the WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good overnight
>>> thrashing.
>>>
>>> BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that
>>> the battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and in
>>> need of replacement? They don't last forever!
>>>
>>> Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending out
>>> electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
>>> "Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>> news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>
>>>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but
>>>>even if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs
>>>>again after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used
>>>>off mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
>>>>dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
>>>>trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
>>>>disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
>>>>Suggestions?? - Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> OK here's the verdict from the computer surgery.
>>
>> They say they've tested it thoroughly, no hardware fault with either
>> memory or disk. They conclude that the likeliest explanation is that a
>> program or software update is causing the problem and say they have known
>> that to occur before. They say the remedy is to restore it to as new and
>> then add programs/updates one at a time at intervals until I find the
>> culprit.
>>
>> Does that sound reasonable??
>>
>> Michael
>
>

Michael
Mon Nov 22 17:50:31 CST 2004

Mart wrote:
>>>..... They say the remedy is to restore it to as new
>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>
>
> My money's with you here, Noel. I think that I will keep watching this
> thread - just in case <g>
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:uNJK83M0EHA.2860@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
>>Yes - and No!!
>>They're copping out on it!!
>>
>>
>>--
>>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>news:41a23fdc_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>
>>>Mart wrote:
>>>
>>>>Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download their
>>>>utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS (i.e. from
>>>>the WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good overnight
>>>>thrashing.
>>>>
>>>>BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that
>>>>the battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and in
>>>>need of replacement? They don't last forever!
>>>>
>>>>Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending out
>>>>electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>>>>
>>>>Mart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>>>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but
>>>>>even if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption occurs
>>>>>again after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May 2001) used
>>>>>off mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable sometimes becomes
>>>>>dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be responsible for repeated
>>>>>trashing of batteries. Fault only started happening after new 60GB hard
>>>>>disk was fitted in place of damaged (6GB?) original (August 2003).
>>>>>Suggestions?? - Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>OK here's the verdict from the computer surgery.
>>>
>>>They say they've tested it thoroughly, no hardware fault with either
>>>memory or disk. They conclude that the likeliest explanation is that a
>>>program or software update is causing the problem and say they have known
>>>that to occur before. They say the remedy is to restore it to as new and
>>>then add programs/updates one at a time at intervals until I find the
>>>culprit.
>>>
>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>
>
>
come on guys explain. Why are they copping out??? Michael

Noel
Tue Nov 23 01:06:06 CST 2004

Reformat/reinstall is the easy way to fix a software problem - and absolves
them of any need to actually know what they're doing.
They can always claim that that problem is now fixed, but that there is now
another hardware problem.

--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
http://tinyurl.com/6oztj

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"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
news:41a27b49_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
> Mart wrote:
>>>>..... They say the remedy is to restore it to as new
>>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>>
>>
>> My money's with you here, Noel. I think that I will keep watching this
>> thread - just in case <g>
>>
>> Mart
>>
>>
>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:uNJK83M0EHA.2860@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Yes - and No!!
>>>They're copping out on it!!
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>>
>>>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>
>>>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>>
>>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>>news:41a23fdc_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>
>>>>Mart wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download
>>>>>their utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS
>>>>>(i.e. from the WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good
>>>>>overnight thrashing.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests that
>>>>>the battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out and
>>>>>in need of replacement? They don't last forever!
>>>>>
>>>>>Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending
>>>>>out electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>>>>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but
>>>>>>even if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption
>>>>>>occurs again after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May
>>>>>>2001) used off mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable
>>>>>>sometimes becomes dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be
>>>>>>responsible for repeated trashing of batteries. Fault only started
>>>>>>happening after new 60GB hard disk was fitted in place of damaged
>>>>>>(6GB?) original (August 2003). Suggestions?? - Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>OK here's the verdict from the computer surgery.
>>>>
>>>>They say they've tested it thoroughly, no hardware fault with either
>>>>memory or disk. They conclude that the likeliest explanation is that a
>>>>program or software update is causing the problem and say they have
>>>>known that to occur before. They say the remedy is to restore it to as
>>>>new and then add programs/updates one at a time at intervals until I
>>>>find the culprit.
>>>>
>>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>>>>
>>>>Michael
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> come on guys explain. Why are they copping out??? Michael

Mart
Tue Nov 23 09:48:33 CST 2004

Indeed Noel. - Also Michael, as you already said in your very first post :-

> but even if hard disk reformatted and restored
> to as new, corruption occurs again after a time

which would appear to imply that you are not really very much further
forward <g>

D'ja'vu ?

Mmm... Still wonder about the condition of your "dislodgable" mains power
connector. - And your 'new' HD - just seems odd that the problem has only
occurred since then.

Mart


"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:%23GOkorS0EHA.4004@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Reformat/reinstall is the easy way to fix a software problem - and
> absolves them of any need to actually know what they're doing.
> They can always claim that that problem is now fixed, but that there is
> now another hardware problem.
>
> --
> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>
> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
> http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
> http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>
> Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>
> "Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
> news:41a27b49_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>> Mart wrote:
>>>>>..... They say the remedy is to restore it to as new
>>>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>>>
>>>
>>> My money's with you here, Noel. I think that I will keep watching this
>>> thread - just in case <g>
>>>
>>> Mart
>>>
>>>
>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uNJK83M0EHA.2860@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>Yes - and No!!
>>>>They're copping out on it!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>>>
>>>>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>>
>>>>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
>>>>NG's
>>>>
>>>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:41a23fdc_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Mart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download
>>>>>>their utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS
>>>>>>(i.e. from the WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good
>>>>>>overnight thrashing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests
>>>>>>that the battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out
>>>>>>and in need of replacement? They don't last forever!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending
>>>>>>out electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mart
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>>>>>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but
>>>>>>>even if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption
>>>>>>>occurs again after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May
>>>>>>>2001) used off mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable
>>>>>>>sometimes becomes dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be
>>>>>>>responsible for repeated trashing of batteries. Fault only started
>>>>>>>happening after new 60GB hard disk was fitted in place of damaged
>>>>>>>(6GB?) original (August 2003). Suggestions?? - Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>OK here's the verdict from the computer surgery.
>>>>>
>>>>>They say they've tested it thoroughly, no hardware fault with either
>>>>>memory or disk. They conclude that the likeliest explanation is that a
>>>>>program or software update is causing the problem and say they have
>>>>>known that to occur before. They say the remedy is to restore it to as
>>>>>new and then add programs/updates one at a time at intervals until I
>>>>>find the culprit.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> come on guys explain. Why are they copping out??? Michael
>
>

Michael
Tue Nov 23 17:23:05 CST 2004

Mart wrote:
> Indeed Noel. - Also Michael, as you already said in your very first post :-
>
>
>>but even if hard disk reformatted and restored
>>to as new, corruption occurs again after a time
>
>
> which would appear to imply that you are not really very much further
> forward <g>
>
> D'ja'vu ?
>
> Mmm... Still wonder about the condition of your "dislodgable" mains power
> connector. - And your 'new' HD - just seems odd that the problem has only
> occurred since then.
>
> Mart
>
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:%23GOkorS0EHA.4004@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>>Reformat/reinstall is the easy way to fix a software problem - and
>>absolves them of any need to actually know what they're doing.
>>They can always claim that that problem is now fixed, but that there is
>>now another hardware problem.
>>
>>--
>>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>
>>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>
>>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to NG's
>>
>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>news:41a27b49_1@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>
>>>Mart wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>..... They say the remedy is to restore it to as new
>>>>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My money's with you here, Noel. I think that I will keep watching this
>>>>thread - just in case <g>
>>>>
>>>>Mart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:uNJK83M0EHA.2860@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yes - and No!!
>>>>>They're copping out on it!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2005, Windows)
>>>>>
>>>>>Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>>http://www.btinternet.com/~winnoel/millsrpch.htm
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/6oztj
>>>>>
>>>>>Please read http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm on how to post messages to
>>>>>NG's
>>>>>
>>>>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:41a23fdc_2@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mart wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Go to your (new 60GB) hard disk manufactures web site and download
>>>>>>>their utility for testing their hardrives. Run it in Real-Mode DOS
>>>>>>>(i.e. from the WinMe Start-up (floppy) Disk) and give it a good
>>>>>>>overnight thrashing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW - if the mains cable frequently becomes dislodged, it suggests
>>>>>>>that the battery *may* have had plenty of use - perhaps it is worn out
>>>>>>>and in need of replacement? They don't last forever!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Also if the plug is loose, arcing within the socket could be sending
>>>>>>>out electrical interference which could also upset your machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mart
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Michael" <entryname@lineone.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:41966415$1_3@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi gang - intermittent fault, disk files corrupting at intervals
>>>>>>>>apparently during read/write operations. System can be restored, but
>>>>>>>>even if hard disk reformatted and restored to as new, corruption
>>>>>>>>occurs again after a time. Laptop (Packard Bell EasyOne DC new May
>>>>>>>>2001) used off mains - battery will not hold charge, mains cable
>>>>>>>>sometimes becomes dislodged. Generic BIOS problem believed to be
>>>>>>>>responsible for repeated trashing of batteries. Fault only started
>>>>>>>>happening after new 60GB hard disk was fitted in place of damaged
>>>>>>>>(6GB?) original (August 2003). Suggestions?? - Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK here's the verdict from the computer surgery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They say they've tested it thoroughly, no hardware fault with either
>>>>>>memory or disk. They conclude that the likeliest explanation is that a
>>>>>>program or software update is causing the problem and say they have
>>>>>>known that to occur before. They say the remedy is to restore it to as
>>>>>>new and then add programs/updates one at a time at intervals until I
>>>>>>find the culprit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does that sound reasonable??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>come on guys explain. Why are they copping out??? Michael
>>
>>
>
>
See the argument appears to be that whatever this rogue software or
update is, I load it back on after each restore and therefore cause the
problem again. So restore not resolving it doesn't necessarily prove
their theory wrong.

Any reports of AIM or winME updates causing anything like this??

Mart
Tue Nov 23 18:15:39 CST 2004

Michael wrote:-

> .... So restore not resolving it doesn't necessarily prove
> their theory wrong.

Nor does it necessarily prove their theory right!

Which is Noel's and my point!!

However, as you seem to be convinced that it is a software issue then I
would suggest that you follow the verdict from the computer surgery:-
> ... to restore it to as new and then add programs/updates
> one at a time at intervals until I (you) find the culprit.

Good luck with it.

Mart

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