JAD
Wed Nov 17 11:16:09 CST 2004
My, my and your qualifications are what, besides being a rude
asshole?(see below)
AFA the XP firewall... I have seen it tell me about outgoing
connections...ALL of them? no cause sygate jumps up with it XP FW
running.......things like SVCHOST ring a bell? Your looking at the
very narrow, small picture of things.
<Please do your research before you post false
<information.
What intellectual level of rude assholyness are we at?
"Alias" <alsoknown@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
news:301eooF2qrt7pU1@uni-berlin.de...
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> "JAD" <Kapasitor@coldmail.com> wrote
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> : anybody with the moniker 'MVP' I take what they say with a HUGE
> : granule of salt.
> : These guys argue amongst themselves about every thing, taking the
> : opposing side to create discussion.
> : When has Microsoft ever made anything with the intent on it being
> : complimentary to 3rd party anything??
> :
> : And, like
> : > the original ICF, it will not monitor out-going traffic.
> :
> : definition of 'monitor' I guess, is in question. Will it block
> : EVERYTHING outgoing? So we get to the specific scenarios which
> : supports either side. No thanks.
> :
> : XP firewall is positioning itself for the future. Cause what it
> : doesn't block will be deemed permissible. For those that know me,
know
> : where I'm going with this. Obvious as the nose on your face.
>
> >
> Alias
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : "Alias" <alsoknown@maskedandanonymous.com> wrote in message
> : news:301dqhF2rifokU1@uni-berlin.de...
> : >
> : > "Z" <z@no.spam> wrote in message
> : news:10pmv16b7aplj82@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Alias wrote:
> : > : >>Notice that the XP firewall is incoming-only, and provides
much
> : less
> : > : >>protection than a good firewall.
> : > :
> : > : > No, Mark. You're describing the old Internet Connection
> : Firewall.
> : > : > The Windows Firewall in XP intercepts both incoming and
outgoing
> : > traffic.
> : > :
> : > : > No it doesn't and it doesn't to avoid law suits like what
> : happened with
> : > : > Internet Explorer. Please do your research before you post
false
> : > : > information.
> : > :
> : > : The XP firewall inspects both ways.
> : >
> : > If you say so ... but, you're wrong. Search xp.general with
Google
> : and you
> : > will find posts like these:
> : >
> : >
> : > Hi
> : >
> : > The XP SP2 doesn't monitor outgoing access to the internet. You
> : will need
> : > to install a 3rd party '2-way' Firewall such ZoneAlarm.
> : >
> : > --
> : >
> : > Will Denny
> : > MVP - Windows Shell/User
> : > Please reply to the News Groups
> : > Greetings --
> : >
> : > The "next generation" Windows Firewall included with SP2,
while
> : > vastly superior to the original ICF in terms of visibility,
> : usability
> : > and configurability, is still rather lacking, as a solid
security
> : > component. It still can't supplant 3rd-party solutions, nor is
it
> : > intended to do so; rather, it's intended to complement them.
And,
> : like
> : > the original ICF, it will not monitor out-going traffic.
> : >
> : > It's most important virtues, I think, are it's improved
> : > compatibility with internal LANs and its configurability via
group
> : > policies. Now, there's a simple, cheap tool that system admins
can
> : > use to protect the LAN workstations from that occasional - but
not
> : > rare enough - fool who manages to bypass the perimeter firewall
and
> : > manually install some malware that could then spread throughout
the
> : > LAN via shared drives.
> : >
> : > WinXP's built-in firewall is _adequate_ at stopping incoming
> : > attacks, and hiding your ports from probes. What WinXP also
> : > does not do, is protect you from any Trojans or spyware that you
(or
> : > someone else using your computer) might download and install
> : > inadvertently. It doesn't monitor out-going traffic at all,
other
> : > than to check for IP-spoofing, much less block (or at even ask
you
> : > about) the bad or the questionable out-going signals. It
assumes
> : that
> : > any application you have on your hard drive is there because you
> : want
> : > it there, and therefore has your "permission" to access the
> : Internet.
> : > Further, because the ICF is a "stateful" firewall, it will also
> : assume
> : > that any incoming traffic that's a direct response to a Trojan's
or
> : > spyware's out-going signal is also authorized.
> : >
> : > ZoneAlarm, Kerio, or Sygate are all much better than WinXP's
> : > built-in firewall, and are much more easily configured, and
there
> : are
> : > free versions of each readily available. Even the commercially
> : > available Symantec's Norton Personal Firewall is superior by
far,
> : > although it does take a heavier toll of system performance then
do
> : > ZoneAlarm or Sygate.
> : >
> : > SP2's Windows Firewall is intended to complement
> : > 3rd-party firewalls, so it won't hurt anything to leave it
enabled
> : > whilst using another software firewall, but it also won't do
much
> : > good, except as extra "insurance."
> : >
> : >
> : > Bruce Chambers The inbuilt one does a perfectly good job of
blocking
> : probes
> : > from the
> : > outside. But it is not easy to configure where there may be
> : exceptions
> : > you need to make, and especially if these are relevant to just
one
> : > program. Nor does it do anything at all about nasties that get
on
> : your
> : > machine trying to 'phone home'. So a separate product is
better -
> : and
> : > generally the free version of Zone Alarm from www.zonelabs.com
is
> : quite
> : > adequate
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
> : > Bournemouth, U.K. Alexn@mvps.org The XP firewall compares quite
> : well with
> : > Zone Alarm and the others
> : > insofar as blocking incoming traffic is concerned.
> : >
> : > As others have explained, it has no ability to block outgoing
> : traffic,
> : > such as that generated by spyware and/or trojans, and so if that
is
> : > also a concern of yours then you would be better served by
another
> : > product.
> : >
> : > Good luck
> : >
> : >
> : > Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> : > --
> : > Microsoft MVPSoooo, you were saying?Alias
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
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