Noel
Tue May 23 16:41:27 CDT 2006
There is no support for the Free version anyhow - it's a minimum-cost offer
(can't really fault them for that!).
DELTREE is supported in ME DOS - but you have to boot to one of the options
2 or 3 (with/out CD Support) - Minimal Boot does NOT include the full
instruction set.
Good luck with the reinstall (I assume you're doing a reformat first??)
--
Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
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"Michael Shergold" <michael.shergold@auntieclara.net> wrote in message
news:taSdnSq7ndsBr-7ZnZ2dnUVZ8tydnZ2d@bt.com...
> Noel,
> The F-PROT was only installed because the AVG failed to install..
> It also seems you can't report an 'AVG install failure' to Grisoft until
> after you
> have installed?? it and registered your ownership..
> DELTREE is an unknown command in this base DOS and I could not find the
> recycle~1 tree anyway.
>
> Talking to my neighbour, apparently this machine was supplied by a local
> 'expert' about 5/6 years ago.. He had it back to repair/cleanup once a
> couple of years ago and charged £80.. This time he asked me to take a
> look
> first and anyway the 'expert' has not phoned back and his office is now
> closed..
> The elderly user only really uses Word and Excel and occasionally the
> internet but it's probably been powered on longer in my house since last
> Friday than the whole of it's life. I expect I've had it online for longer
> too.
> I have had a couple of 'blue screens' and had to re-boot.. Booting seems
> to take longer since the Scandisk and Defrag (thought this was supposed to
> speed things up)
> I'm a bit suspicious about the ME defrag..
> I only use CCleaner normally to clean redundant TEmp files.
>
> Anyway I've now bitten the bullet and decided to re-install ME and his
> software..
> Saved all his documents and rescued some of his pictures ( he obviously
> tried a digital camera since the pictures are dated 2005)
> and I'm in the process of formatting the hard drive..
> Thanks for all your help and assistance but something was very weird
> somewhere..
> Incidentally I discovered that UE32.Exe is an unerase program from
> somewhere.
> Thanks again
> Michael ( I might be back!!!)
>
>
> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@crashfixpc.com> wrote in message
> news:%23D7dEWefGHA.3652@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> If F-Prot is still installed - then I'm not surprised that an AVG install
>> fails!
>> The fact that the Recycle bin is showing failure to delete files is
>> worrying - it could be caused either by malware, or by disk or file
>> corruption.
>>
>> Boot to DOS using a floppy, and do the following
>>
>> DELTREE C:\RECYCL~1
>>
>> accept the warnings, allow the deletion to complete, and then reboot to
>> Normal Mode - this should rebuild a normal Recycle bin.
>>
>> CCLeaner is a registry cleaner (amongst other things)- and as such
>> suffers from the same faults as every other member of that b$st$rd
>> breed - it's out-of-date before it's released, and only as good as the
>> knowledge of its user.
>>
>> DO NOT rely on it for anything - ALWAYS check what it wants to 'correct'
>> manually, before allowing it to do anything.
>>
>> Registry entries are there for a reason - and you need more reason that
>> CCleaner (on its own) to remove them!
>>
>> see how the system react afterwards.....
>>
>> If that fails to resolve things.... Have you checked seriously for
>> malware? - used HiJackThis, and had the resulting log checked by an
>> expert? (NOTE: - please do NOT post your log here! - no true experts will
>> respond to open newsgroup posts of HJT logs)
>>
>> --
>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>
>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> Please read
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>> "Michael Shergold" <michael.shergold@auntieclara.net> wrote in message
>> news:V4mdnaQ5QJp4SOzZRVnyrQ@bt.com...
>>> Hmm!
>>> After messing around during the weekend I still have the original
>>> problem
>>> with most of the control panel Icons not working.
>>> The mouse and the connect on right click have now been fixed.
>>> I tried the suggestion about deleting Control.ini but although it
>>> creates
>>> another .ini file , the same icons still don't work
>>> I've cleared off lots of the redundant programs including NAV now and
>>> installed F-PROT and there were, and are, no viruses. I've also brought
>>> the
>>> computer to my house. AVG install still fails!!
>>> I checked and defragged the hard disk.
>>> I noticed that the recycle bin icon on the desktop also fails and says
>>> it
>>> can't find 'UE32.exe'. Where can I find that? It'snot on any of my
>>> machines
>>> I can operate the recycle bin correctly from the My Computer entry
>>> though
>>> so that is no real problem.. I've used a couple of tools to correct
>>> Registry Errors and redundancies etc.. CCleaner being the main one as I
>>> use it continually on my XP machine. I also updated the system (System
>>> Update).
>>> I would like to give it back now as most things can be made to work but
>>> feel I should correct somehow the control panel and recycle bin icon
>>> problems first.
>>> Why should the panel display and most of the icons appear useless.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@crashfixpc.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OKzX8XkeGHA.1264@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> It's not unusual for other AV's to refuse to install/work if bits of
>>>> NAV
>>>> (or some other AV's) are left behind.
>>>> On ME, NAV should be consigned to the scrap pile - because it WILL
>>>> break
>>>> it eventually. Norton never bothered to properly get to grips with
>>>> System
>>>> Restore in ME, (amongst other things) , and tends to break that with
>>>> monotonous regularity.
>>>>
>>>> to get rid of Norton.....
>>>>
http://basconotw.mvps.org/SymRem.htm
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> --
>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>>>
>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Please read
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>>>> "Michael Shergold" <michael.shergold@auntieclara.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:l5CdnQ78XZ7RifHZRVnysA@bt.com...
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>> Will try that when I get back to the machine (it's a neighbour's)
>>>>> possibly tomorrow..
>>>>> My own route was from DOS-Windows2-Win for
>>>>> Workgroups-Win95-Win98-WinXP
>>>>> so I missed out the ME experience!!! The last three plus an XP laptop
>>>>> are all still working and networked here. Only ever looked at one
>>>>> other ME machine about 6 years ago at another friend's. Discovered
>>>>> 'restore' there but of course I am very familiar with that now..
>>>>> This ME Mouse thing is proving very strange as the symptoms seem to
>>>>> change depending on whether your are inside or outside an
>>>>> application..
>>>>> i.e. desktop behaviour appears quite normal but within Wexplorer etc.
>>>>> everything seems to go weird. Will try another AV program too as NAV
>>>>> won't work and AVG won't install.
>>>>> All disk data seems OK though both from DOS prompt and Explorer
>>>>> (provided you don't try to Right Click). MS Office and printer
>>>>> functions
>>>>> work OK.
>>>>> The elderly neighbour uses WORD and EXcel and occasionally the
>>>>> Internet
>>>>> for e-mail etc.. (I've backed up all his data to a flash drive so we
>>>>> could re-install ME)
>>>>> thks
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@crashfixpc.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eJjjOafeGHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hmm - for the mouse problem....
>>>>>> Reboot to Safe Mode
>>>>>> Open Device Manager
>>>>>> Remove ALL Mouse entries
>>>>>> Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the required drivers -
>>>>>> hopefully curing your problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please read
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>>>>>> NG's
>>>>>> "Michael Shergold" <michael.shergold@auntieclara.net> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:T-KdnS1cKO5O9PbZRVnyjg@bt.com...
>>>>>>> Hmm!
>>>>>>> I went through the process and the Control panel options certainly
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>> correctly when double clicking the various .cpl files
>>>>>>> Then went back to Control Panel and found that two work correctly
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the Icon.. The Files and Folders and the Scanners control items..
>>>>>>> After renaming the CONTROL.INI file and letting the system rebuild a
>>>>>>> new one we are back to the original problem again.. It look as
>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>> many more system files are corrupted somehow.
>>>>>>> I also noticed another funny thing was we could not find the MOUSE
>>>>>>> options in the .cpl list and one of the reasons for doing all this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> that when you right-click the mouse in certain circumstances
>>>>>>> (renaming
>>>>>>> files etc) the right click always seems to initiate a dial-up
>>>>>>> connection..
>>>>>>> right clicking on the desktop behaves correctly but right clicking
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a windows explorer type window does this..
>>>>>>> This ME set-up has been working correctly for several years and has
>>>>>>> suddenly developed these quirks.. When connecting to the Internet
>>>>>>> the connection activates and data is exchanged during the handshake
>>>>>>> etc.. but nothing appears in IE..
>>>>>>> Rebuilding the DUN connectoid seemed to solve this problem yesterday
>>>>>>> but today the modem connects but then nothing!!!
>>>>>>> Could a virus infection have caused this? The owners NAV won't now
>>>>>>> run, nor would it uninstall?? It says the installer program is out
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> date perhaps because we have tried to copy some system files back
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the ME disk.
>>>>>>> So many strange things are happening that I am beginning to believe
>>>>>>> that we need a format/re-install of the OS..
>>>>>>> For example autorun runs from the ME disk but none of the initial
>>>>>>> icons will work when clicked.. Maybe it needs a new mouse driver
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the mouse works fine
>>>>>>> in DOS mode or on the ME desktop..
>>>>>>> Any more suggestions please..
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Noel Paton" <NoelDPspamless@crashfixpc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23RK%23bMReGHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=299923
>>>>>>>> may help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Noel Paton (MS-MVP 2002-2006, Windows)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nil Carborundum Illegitemi
>>>>>>>>
http://www.crashfixpc.com/millsrpch.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please read
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>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> NG's
>>>>>>>> "Michael Shergold" <michael.shergold@auntieclara.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>> message news:2O2dnWD51v_mmffZnZ2dnUVZ8sydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>>>> Double clicking on all control panel icons fails to get a
>>>>>>>>> response..
>>>>>>>>> Double clicking on desktop items works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Michael in sunny Sussex, England
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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