I'm a novice. How can I tell what anti-virus program I
have on my PC & also, if it's working properly. Tanks

Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by Mike

Mike
Wed Feb 18 14:41:32 CST 2004

Win Me does not include an anti virus application. You will only have one
installed if you have installed one yourself or if one was included by the
company who supplied your PC.

If you don't have an AV application installed then you should seriously think
about doing so. Suitable products include Kaspersky, AVG and eTrust (Computer
Associates) to name but three including:
a) AVG (Free version) from GriSoft
(http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php)
b) eTrust from Computer Associates. This is an excellent low cost AV program
that I and many others contributing to these NGs are using. eTrust and
EZArmor are FREE to new users for one year until Jan 2005 (see
http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft/index.cfm) I understand from others that
just the AV application can be installed if preferred. EZArmor is a rebadged
version of Zone Alarm v3.x which can cause Win Me's system restore to stop
making automatic system checkpoints.

Note that the current versions of both Norton and McAfee do not appear to work
well when installed on Win Me.

First however you might want to check your PC using one of the online virus
checks such as McAfee's (http://us.mcafee.com/root/mfs/default.asp) or Trend
Micro's Housecall (http://housecall.antivirus.com).
--?
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


Dorelle <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I'm a novice. How can I tell what anti-virus program I
> have on my PC & also, if it's working properly. Tanks



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by David

David
Wed Feb 18 15:06:51 CST 2004

I have installed McAfee VirusScan v8.0 Home Edition on WinME with NO SEQUALAE !

It works just fine and as far as I know that is the latest retail product.

Dave



"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:OQGiY%23l9DHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| Win Me does not include an anti virus application. You will only have one
| installed if you have installed one yourself or if one was included by the
| company who supplied your PC.
|
| If you don't have an AV application installed then you should seriously think
| about doing so. Suitable products include Kaspersky, AVG and eTrust (Computer
| Associates) to name but three including:
| a) AVG (Free version) from GriSoft
| (http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php)
| b) eTrust from Computer Associates. This is an excellent low cost AV program
| that I and many others contributing to these NGs are using. eTrust and
| EZArmor are FREE to new users for one year until Jan 2005 (see
| http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft/index.cfm) I understand from others that
| just the AV application can be installed if preferred. EZArmor is a rebadged
| version of Zone Alarm v3.x which can cause Win Me's system restore to stop
| making automatic system checkpoints.
|
| Note that the current versions of both Norton and McAfee do not appear to work
| well when installed on Win Me.
|
| First however you might want to check your PC using one of the online virus
| checks such as McAfee's (http://us.mcafee.com/root/mfs/default.asp) or Trend
| Micro's Housecall (http://housecall.antivirus.com).
| --?
| Mike Maltby MS-MVP
| mcmaltby@hotmail.com
|
|
| Dorelle <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
|
| > I'm a novice. How can I tell what anti-virus program I
| > have on my PC & also, if it's working properly. Tanks
|
|



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by David

David
Wed Feb 18 15:18:07 CST 2004

Contrary to what was replied with, the latest version of McAfee (VirusScan v8.0 Home
Edition) works just fine on WinME.

As for what Anti virus software is on your PC, you should know what ALL software is on your
PC. If you don't, I suggest doing the following...

Go to; Start --> settings --> control panel --> and/remove software

Examine EVERY line item that is there. If you have anti virus software installed it should
be listed there.

Some Well Know AV companies/products...

McAfee
Symantec
Computer Associtaes (eTrust)
Kaspersky AV
Grisoft AVG
F-Prot
Invircible
AntiVir
Bitdefender
Avast
NOD
Panda
Sophos
Trend
Reliable AV


As for testing AV software, use the EICAR Test File located at:
http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm and the test files are located at the bottom.
It is NOT a virus, I repeat, it is NOT a virus. It is a standard string of characters that
ALL anti virus companies recognize and use to test their respective software.

Dave



"Dorelle" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:12b5801c3f65d$e3a37e40$a601280a@phx.gbl...
| I'm a novice. How can I tell what anti-virus program I
| have on my PC & also, if it's working properly. Tanks



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by Mike

Mike
Wed Feb 18 15:36:23 CST 2004

"Do not appear to work well" does not mean "do not work", but rather means
that some users rather than all, experience problems when using the products
involved as you yourself would know if you were to read more than the odd
message posted to these newsgroups. Either that or you choose to ignore those
experiencing problems and base your reply on your own experience alone.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

> I have installed McAfee VirusScan v8.0 Home Edition on WinME with NO
> SEQUALAE !
>
> It works just fine and as far as I know that is the latest retail product.



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by David

David
Wed Feb 18 16:48:47 CST 2004

Mike:

I specifically obtained this software, via contract vehicle, based upon queries about it.
It is simple, effective and not complicated to the OS installation.

As for those that have experinced problems.... Over they years I have noted those who have
experienced problems with *ALL* AV applications. People don't post "hey I just installed
application x and it is great". They post about their problems.

and...

There is always the "Chaos and Complex Systems" in a computing platform postulate that
factors into the equation.

Dave



"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:uqHXCdm9DHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| "Do not appear to work well" does not mean "do not work", but rather means
| that some users rather than all, experience problems when using the products
| involved as you yourself would know if you were to read more than the odd
| message posted to these newsgroups. Either that or you choose to ignore those
| experiencing problems and base your reply on your own experience alone.
| --
| Mike Maltby MS-MVP
| mcmaltby@hotmail.com
|
|
| David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
|
| > I have installed McAfee VirusScan v8.0 Home Edition on WinME with NO
| > SEQUALAE !
| >
| > It works just fine and as far as I know that is the latest retail product.
|
|



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by Heather

Heather
Wed Feb 18 17:13:26 CST 2004

David.....

Both McAfee and Norton are 'bloatware'......and for that reason I don't use
them. Make that ONE reason.

With a 'defective Norton', I got 4 viruses......another reason. And I don't
like a-v's that go overboard and check both incoming and outgoing email. A
bloody waste of time. And more chance of conflicts, etc. Use a simple
antivirus program and safe hex (common sense).

Simple as that, really. And as I am in a betting mood, grin......go over to
a.c.v. and a.c.a.v and ask the regulars what they use. You won't find many
of them using either of the above.

Cheers......Heather

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:eyoP8Fn9DHA.2656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Mike:
>
> I specifically obtained this software, via contract vehicle, based upon
queries about it.
> It is simple, effective and not complicated to the OS installation.
>
> As for those that have experinced problems.... Over they years I have
noted those who have
> experienced problems with *ALL* AV applications. People don't post "hey I
just installed
> application x and it is great". They post about their problems.
>
> and...
>
> There is always the "Chaos and Complex Systems" in a computing platform
postulate that
> factors into the equation.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
> news:uqHXCdm9DHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | "Do not appear to work well" does not mean "do not work", but rather
means
> | that some users rather than all, experience problems when using the
products
> | involved as you yourself would know if you were to read more than the
odd
> | message posted to these newsgroups. Either that or you choose to ignore
those
> | experiencing problems and base your reply on your own experience alone.
> | --
> | Mike Maltby MS-MVP
> | mcmaltby@hotmail.com
> |
> |
> | David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
> |
> | > I have installed McAfee VirusScan v8.0 Home Edition on WinME with NO
> | > SEQUALAE !
> | >
> | > It works just fine and as far as I know that is the latest retail
product.
> |
> |
>
>



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by David

David
Wed Feb 18 17:33:43 CST 2004

Hi Figgs:

McAfee VS v8.0 Home Edition uses a NEW methodology that is quite unlike prior versions. One
thing it isn't is BLOATWARE. It is so simple, (for me too simple) and there is no
customization required. It even did away with its own Task Scheduler in favour of the MS
Task Manager to schedule obtaining New DATS and updates.

The installer itself is only 8.4MB. v7.03 HE installation files are ~36MB

As for scanning email inbound and outbound, that's debateable.

As for opinions in a.c.v and a.c.a-v, I've see them all. All AV packages have their
proponents and detractors.

Based the shear number of infected individuls in the past year, I have come to the opinion
that ANY AV package (that
is kept up to date) is better then NO AV application at all. Even NAV/SAV and I H A T E
Symantec !

However, the statement "Note that the current versions of both Norton and McAfee do not
appear to work
well when installed on Win Me." is unwarranted.

Dave



"Heather" <figgs@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:OCeTtSn9DHA.1948@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| David.....
|
| Both McAfee and Norton are 'bloatware'......and for that reason I don't use
| them. Make that ONE reason.
|
| With a 'defective Norton', I got 4 viruses......another reason. And I don't
| like a-v's that go overboard and check both incoming and outgoing email. A
| bloody waste of time. And more chance of conflicts, etc. Use a simple
| antivirus program and safe hex (common sense).
|
| Simple as that, really. And as I am in a betting mood, grin......go over to
| a.c.v. and a.c.a.v and ask the regulars what they use. You won't find many
| of them using either of the above.
|
| Cheers......Heather
|
| "David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
| news:eyoP8Fn9DHA.2656@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| > Mike:
| >
| > I specifically obtained this software, via contract vehicle, based upon
| queries about it.
| > It is simple, effective and not complicated to the OS installation.
| >
| > As for those that have experinced problems.... Over they years I have
| noted those who have
| > experienced problems with *ALL* AV applications. People don't post "hey I
| just installed
| > application x and it is great". They post about their problems.
| >
| > and...
| >
| > There is always the "Chaos and Complex Systems" in a computing platform
| postulate that
| > factors into the equation.
| >
| > Dave
| >
| >
| >
| > "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
| > news:uqHXCdm9DHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | "Do not appear to work well" does not mean "do not work", but rather
| means
| > | that some users rather than all, experience problems when using the
| products
| > | involved as you yourself would know if you were to read more than the
| odd
| > | message posted to these newsgroups. Either that or you choose to ignore
| those
| > | experiencing problems and base your reply on your own experience alone.
| > | --
| > | Mike Maltby MS-MVP
| > | mcmaltby@hotmail.com
| > |
| > |
| > | David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
| > |
| > | > I have installed McAfee VirusScan v8.0 Home Edition on WinME with NO
| > | > SEQUALAE !
| > | >
| > | > It works just fine and as far as I know that is the latest retail
| product.
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by Mike

Mike
Wed Feb 18 18:04:05 CST 2004

Whilst I agree that recent versions of McAfee seem to cause less problems than
earlier versions the same cannot be said of NAV2004 which is an unmitigated
disaster for many users when installed on Win Me. That is assuming they can
actually get it to install. I would therefore never now recommend that a user
running Win Me install NAV, and would go so far as to extend that to all
Symantec products, and that if they do so they should only do so in the full
knowledge of the potential problems that they might encounter, especially
those that can be caused by LiveUpdate.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mcmaltby@hotmail.com


David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

> Mike:
>
> I specifically obtained this software, via contract vehicle, based upon
> queries about it. It is simple, effective and not complicated to the OS
> installation.
>
> As for those that have experinced problems.... Over they years I have
> noted those who have experienced problems with *ALL* AV applications.
> People don't post "hey I just installed application x and it is great".
> They post about their problems.
>
> and...
>
> There is always the "Chaos and Complex Systems" in a computing platform
> postulate that factors into the equation.



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by David

David
Wed Feb 18 19:57:12 CST 2004

Now that I can take a bite out of !

You should see what I am going through with Symantec Enterprise Ghost v8.0 ! Basically I
have become a beta tester for their software after it was released. Upgrade from Enterprise
Ghost v7.0 to 8.0 and it fails. Install it on a plain Jane (vanilla) Win2K SP4 PC (based
upon company requirements for all HotFixes) and it still fails.
Install clean, from scratch Win2K SP4, and the software works as expected. Install six
"company required [no waivers]" post SP4 Win2K HotFixes, reboot the PC, and the software
fails !

I never liked Norton since their buyout of Golden Bow and Central Point Software. Central
Point had an excellent AV package Central Point AV (you probably know the OEM version that
was once shipped with WfW, MSAV) Norton stripped the code from CPAV and used it for NAV.
One of the reasons that NAV became a top AV product. Symantec has made their product line
worse. In a similar way I feel NAI has made McAfee less of a good product.

I used to say "Ghost - the only Symantec product I swear by, not swear at." Now I may
change my opinion.
I may have to just revert back to Symantec Enterprise Ghost v7.0.

Dave



"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message
news:eLLOkvn9DHA.1804@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| Whilst I agree that recent versions of McAfee seem to cause less problems than
| earlier versions the same cannot be said of NAV2004 which is an unmitigated
| disaster for many users when installed on Win Me. That is assuming they can
| actually get it to install. I would therefore never now recommend that a user
| running Win Me install NAV, and would go so far as to extend that to all
| Symantec products, and that if they do so they should only do so in the full
| knowledge of the potential problems that they might encounter, especially
| those that can be caused by LiveUpdate.
| --
| Mike Maltby MS-MVP
| mcmaltby@hotmail.com
|
|
| David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:
|
| > Mike:
| >
| > I specifically obtained this software, via contract vehicle, based upon
| > queries about it. It is simple, effective and not complicated to the OS
| > installation.
| >
| > As for those that have experinced problems.... Over they years I have
| > noted those who have experienced problems with *ALL* AV applications.
| > People don't post "hey I just installed application x and it is great".
| > They post about their problems.
| >
| > and...
| >
| > There is always the "Chaos and Complex Systems" in a computing platform
| > postulate that factors into the equation.
|
|



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by Mike

Mike
Wed Feb 18 20:14:48 CST 2004

Dave,

Common ground at last. <vbg>

I've been a long time Ghost user since way back (Ghost 4.x something in '97?)
some time before it was acquired by Symantec from, I think, Binary Research ).
I've liked Ghost less and less as years have progressed and am nowadays more
likely to install and use BING than Ghost. I don't think I've ever used Ghost
Enterprise 8 and probably never will. I've got Enterprise 7 here and don't
even really use that mainly sticking with an old copy of Ghost 6. The first
thing I do if I install Ghost on a system (rather than running it from a
floppy) is to rip out LiveUpdate. Like yourself for a long time is also used
a phrase similar to "Ghost - the only Symantec product I swear by, not swear
at." but recently, also like yourself, have revised that opinion.

What problems were you having with Enterprise 8.0? Possibly better taken to
e-mail (mikem@mvps.org) if you want to answer.

Cheers,
--
Mike M


David H. Lipman <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote:

> Now that I can take a bite out of !
>
> You should see what I am going through with Symantec Enterprise Ghost
> v8.0 ! Basically I have become a beta tester for their software after it
> was released. Upgrade from Enterprise Ghost v7.0 to 8.0 and it fails.
> Install it on a plain Jane (vanilla) Win2K SP4 PC (based upon company
> requirements for all HotFixes) and it still fails. Install clean, from
> scratch Win2K SP4, and the software works as expected. Install six
> "company required [no waivers]" post SP4 Win2K HotFixes, reboot the PC,
> and the software fails !
>
> I never liked Norton since their buyout of Golden Bow and Central Point
> Software. Central Point had an excellent AV package Central Point AV
> (you probably know the OEM version that was once shipped with WfW, MSAV)
> Norton stripped the code from CPAV and used it for NAV. One of the
> reasons that NAV became a top AV product. Symantec has made their
> product line worse. In a similar way I feel NAI has made McAfee less of
> a good product.
>
> I used to say "Ghost - the only Symantec product I swear by, not swear
> at." Now I may change my opinion.
> I may have to just revert back to Symantec Enterprise Ghost v7.0.



Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by heirloom

heirloom
Wed Feb 18 23:49:23 CST 2004

Dave,
You might want to add that any AV product is no better than its'
updates. To recognize EICAR would indicate that there is an active AV
program only.
Dorelle,
If you have an AV product, be sure to read the help file and follow the
instructions on how to update the virus definitions.......new viruses come
out, just about (if not) everyday .
Heirloom, old and still using NAV2003

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:OtUisSm9DHA.1596@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Contrary to what was replied with, the latest version of McAfee (VirusScan
v8.0 Home
> Edition) works just fine on WinME.
>
> As for what Anti virus software is on your PC, you should know what ALL
software is on your
> PC. If you don't, I suggest doing the following...
>
> Go to; Start --> settings --> control panel --> and/remove software
>
> Examine EVERY line item that is there. If you have anti virus software
installed it should
> be listed there.
>
> Some Well Know AV companies/products...
>
> McAfee
> Symantec
> Computer Associtaes (eTrust)
> Kaspersky AV
> Grisoft AVG
> F-Prot
> Invircible
> AntiVir
> Bitdefender
> Avast
> NOD
> Panda
> Sophos
> Trend
> Reliable AV
>
>
> As for testing AV software, use the EICAR Test File located at:
> http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm and the test files are
located at the bottom.
> It is NOT a virus, I repeat, it is NOT a virus. It is a standard string
of characters that
> ALL anti virus companies recognize and use to test their respective
software.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> "Dorelle" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:12b5801c3f65d$e3a37e40$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> | I'm a novice. How can I tell what anti-virus program I
> | have on my PC & also, if it's working properly. Tanks
>
>



ANTI-VIRUS Question. by justhank48640

justhank48640
Thu Feb 19 03:43:44 CST 2004


>-----Original Message-----
>I'm a novice. How can I tell what anti-virus program I
>have on my PC & also, if it's working properly. Tanks
>.
>Unless you specically ordered Anti-Virus software with
your puter you have none.

Re: ANTI-VIRUS Question. by heirloom

heirloom
Thu Feb 19 12:20:19 CST 2004

Not necessarily so, many machines come pre-loaded with AV programs....
Heirloom, old and mine did

"justhank48640@yahoo.com" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:12df101c3f6cc$dd3a1b80$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >I'm a novice. How can I tell what anti-virus program I
> >have on my PC & also, if it's working properly. Tanks
> >.
> >Unless you specically ordered Anti-Virus software with
> your puter you have none.