Did XP have birthing problems too?

A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
to now have.
I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?

Bubba

Carey
Thu Apr 03 13:45:29 PDT 2008

What problems are you referring to? In comparison,
Microsoft has received far less calls for technical support
for Vista than Windows XP did when it was launched.

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Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows System & Performance

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
to now have.
I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?

Bubba

Bob
Thu Apr 03 13:53:44 PDT 2008

"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?

Are you kidding? The exact same things being said about Vista today were
said about XP 7 years ago. "It's too big, too bloated, to slow, needs too
much hardware for decent performance, there are no drivers for my
(printer/video card/network card, etc.), it's just Windows 2000 with a new
theme, they moved things around for no apparent reason, the Activation
requirement will kill MS, MS days are numbered, now is Linux's chance, 2002
will be the year of Linux".

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I guarantee you the very same things will be said when the next version of
Windows hits the streets. Of course, that will be 3 years from now. In
that time, Vista will undergo the same magical transformation that XP went
thru, and Vista will be "fast, compatible, lean and mean" compared to the
next version.

And so it goes.

Andrew
Thu Apr 03 13:54:24 PDT 2008

In article <eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, Nono@cox.net says...
> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
> to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?

XP was based on Win2k (internally, Win2K is Windows 5.0, XP is 5.1).
There were some issues.

Vista is a bigger change (I forget what it is based on, Server 2003??),
and lots of security enhancements that are causing driver and program
issues as they must be more carefully coded.

I haven't looked, but if you do a search on groups.google.com (Usenet
history), I'll bet you'll find many of the same people saying Vista is
crap to stay away from XP and stick with NT/2K/98!!!

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Thu Apr 03 14:16:58 PDT 2008

"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Bubba
>

WinXP had more people with problems than Vista does. Like Vista, most of
those were just learning curve problems as people learned a new system and
problems caused by third-party programs that weren't ready for WinXP despite
the long beta.

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Peter
Thu Apr 03 15:11:12 PDT 2008

Same thing but with a little difference. XP got much more complaints =
then today's Vista when it was introduced as Gold

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"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message =
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista =
appears=20
> to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>=20
> Bubba=20
>=20
>

philo
Thu Apr 03 15:24:01 PDT 2008


"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
> to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Bubba
>
>

I have been on Usenet for about 8-9 years or so...
and XP was received with mostly highly positive ratings.
Even more so that Win2k which got a few complaints about lack of drivers.
As a matter of fact I was surprised actually as to how few problems XP had
and how positive the ratings were.
Because of all the positive reviews I moved to XP sooner that I had expected
to...
but of course I still use Win2k.

Vista has *definately* gotten considerably more complaints than XP ever
did...
not to say that Vista's problems won't eventually be ironed out.


Here is a page I've dug out from the archives describing XP's initial
"gotchas"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,68796-page,1/article.html


The article is fairly typical for it's time (circa 2001)

As you can see, the problems are fairly minimal as compared to today's
complicated world <G>

Adam
Thu Apr 03 15:29:26 PDT 2008

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:16:58 -0500, "Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM"
<franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:

>"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>>to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>
>> Bubba
>>
>
>WinXP had more people with problems than Vista does. Like Vista, most of
>those were just learning curve problems as people learned a new system and
>problems caused by third-party programs that weren't ready for WinXP despite
>the long beta.

Does this lame line of crap get drilled into MVP's?

There is little new about the current version of Windows. It is mostly
the same tired, crash prone, bloated, badly written, way worse
implemented pile of junk to EVER infest any personal computer. Windows
has been that way from the beginning and little has changed.

Have I learned Windows?

Well I've been using it since Windows version 2.

I know for a fact is sucks, always has sucked, always will suck. Hell,
need to know why?

Simple. It's from Microsoft. All Microsoft software sucks.

Little
Thu Apr 03 15:39:38 PDT 2008


"Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:33AAFD23-7858-4E75-AF41-97952D6FED7D@microsoft.com...
> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>>to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>
>> Bubba
>>
>
> WinXP had more people with problems than Vista does. Like Vista, most of
> those were just learning curve problems as people learned a new system and
> problems caused by third-party programs that weren't ready for WinXP
> despite the long beta.

That's all nonsense. When I first used XP it was different from 98 and odd
at first but I quickly saw that it was a superior OS. I see no improvement
or advantage with Vista over XP after using it for 5 months. Perhaps XP
wasn't that great until SP2 which only means you should wait a couple of
years for Vista SP2 and then judge. Why use it now?


>
> --
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> www.fjsmjs.com
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Little
Thu Apr 03 15:40:46 PDT 2008


"Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ud7sdedlIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Same thing but with a little difference. XP got much more complaints then
today's Vista when it was introduced as Gold

It did not. You either have a bad memory old boy or some ulterior motive.

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"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
> to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Bubba
>
>

Mark
Thu Apr 03 16:03:26 PDT 2008

LOL, and the "Blaster Worm" didn't cause a peep of whining.
I manned a chat called the 'Expert Zone" at that time. I think I may have
put tens of thousands of machines back in operation in a few weeks.
I'm afraid the memories of 'the good ol' days' aren't too clear.
--
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.

"Little Billy" <billy@club.nu> wrote in message
news:O1dJj.14254$gS1.6607@trndny07...
>>
>> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ud7sdedlIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Same thing but with a little difference. XP got much more complaints then
>> today's Vista when it was introduced as Gold
>
> It did not. You either have a bad memory old boy or some ulterior motive.
>
> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>> to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>
>> Bubba
>>
>>
>
>

HeyBub
Thu Apr 03 16:30:56 PDT 2008

Bubbler wrote:
> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
> appears to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>

Happens with a lot of new things: Movie sequels, next-door neighbors,
presidential candidates, wives, salad dressings, this fall's fashions, etc.

People who get their satisfaction in life out of finding things wrong are
usually - at some level - delighted with new software. Give meaning and
purpose to their otherwise drab existence.

Adam
Thu Apr 03 16:52:31 PDT 2008

On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:30:56 -0500, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:

>Bubbler wrote:
>> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
>> appears to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>
>
>Happens with a lot of new things: Movie sequels, next-door neighbors,
>presidential candidates, wives, salad dressings, this fall's fashions, etc.
>
>People who get their satisfaction in life out of finding things wrong are
>usually - at some level - delighted with new software. Give meaning and
>purpose to their otherwise drab existence.
>

Hint: Vista isn't new anymore and for sure Windows is a old dog and it
for the most part is still as badly broken as it was in the beginning
meaning it still is a bloated load of poorly written mostly untested
for sure bloated code that NBODY on the planet knows fully how it
works or is suppose to.

Some things never change. Microsoft doesn't know how to write
software. It's only good at selling software, not writing it.

Alias
Thu Apr 03 17:01:40 PDT 2008

Bob Campbell wrote:
> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
>> appears to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Are you kidding? The exact same things being said about Vista today
> were said about XP 7 years ago. "It's too big, too bloated, to slow,
> needs too much hardware for decent performance, there are no drivers for
> my (printer/video card/network card, etc.), it's just Windows 2000 with
> a new theme, they moved things around for no apparent reason, the
> Activation requirement will kill MS, MS days are numbered, now is
> Linux's chance, 2002 will be the year of Linux".
>
> Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
> I guarantee you the very same things will be said when the next version
> of Windows hits the streets. Of course, that will be 3 years from
> now. In that time, Vista will undergo the same magical transformation
> that XP went thru, and Vista will be "fast, compatible, lean and mean"
> compared to the next version.
>
> And so it goes.

Someone's forgetting Windows Millennium. Bad things were said about it
and they were true. Someone's also forgetting that Linux wasn't really
ready for the masses in 2002. That only happened quite recently. Someone
(you) has swallowed MS FUD hook, line and sinker. Besides Apple, Windows
finally has a decent competitor which should make you happy if it
encourages MS to make a better Windows than they already have.

Alias

Mike
Thu Apr 03 17:18:11 PDT 2008

"Little Billy" <billy@club.nu> wrote in message
news:O1dJj.14254$gS1.6607@trndny07...
>
> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ud7sdedlIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Same thing but with a little difference. XP got much more complaints then
> today's Vista when it was introduced as Gold
>
> It did not. You either have a bad memory old boy or some ulterior motive.
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>> to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>
>> Bubba
>>
>>
>
>


You obviously weren't there for the release of XP..

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Frank
Thu Apr 03 18:57:54 PDT 2008

Alias wrote:

> Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
>>> appears to now have.
>>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>
>>
>> Are you kidding? The exact same things being said about Vista today
>> were said about XP 7 years ago. "It's too big, too bloated, to slow,
>> needs too much hardware for decent performance, there are no drivers
>> for my (printer/video card/network card, etc.), it's just Windows 2000
>> with a new theme, they moved things around for no apparent reason, the
>> Activation requirement will kill MS, MS days are numbered, now is
>> Linux's chance, 2002 will be the year of Linux".
>>
>> Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>
>> I guarantee you the very same things will be said when the next
>> version of Windows hits the streets. Of course, that will be 3 years
>> from now. In that time, Vista will undergo the same magical
>> transformation that XP went thru, and Vista will be "fast, compatible,
>> lean and mean" compared to the next version.
>>
>> And so it goes.
>
>
> Someone's forgetting Windows Millennium. Bad things were said about it
> and they were true. Someone's also forgetting that Linux wasn't really
> ready for the masses in 2002. That only happened quite recently. Someone
> (you) has swallowed MS FUD hook, line and sinker. Besides Apple, Windows
> finally has a decent competitor which should make you happy if it
> encourages MS to make a better Windows than they already have.
>
> Alias

hehehe...you've one very delusional POS lying linux troll aren't you?
Loser!
Frank

Bubbler
Thu Apr 03 19:16:07 PDT 2008


"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Bubba
>

Thanks for the variety of answers, guys. General feeling is that XP had its
share of "problems" too.
Also, (1) I've used Linux in the past but no longer, (2) I started
programming in 1960, (3) my question was not judgmental.

Good evening,
Bubba

Bob
Thu Apr 03 19:29:26 PDT 2008

"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:%23a3QXnflIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Thanks for the variety of answers, guys. General feeling is that XP had
> its share of "problems" too.

Of course. Any software - particularly something as complex as an OS (and
an OS that must run on infinite combinations of hardware!) - is going to
have problems on each new release. To expect otherwise is simply foolish.

>Also, (1) I've used Linux in the past but no longer,

Like most people - tried it but found it lacking.

>(2) I started programming in 1960,

Then as a programmer you know that all software has bugs. I started in
1973 and know this to be true.

>(3) my question was not judgmental.

I didn't read it as such.

Kerry
Thu Apr 03 19:28:36 PDT 2008

Many of the same pundits bashing Vista and waxing eloquent about XP were
bashing XP and waxing eloquent about Windows 2000 back then.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382

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MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/



"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Bubba
>

Bob
Thu Apr 03 19:45:01 PDT 2008

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:7327F734-4E2C-4361-A489-60AB224933E9@microsoft.com...
> Many of the same pundits bashing Vista and waxing eloquent about XP were
> bashing XP and waxing eloquent about Windows 2000 back then.
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=382

Absolutely hilarious. The hypocrisy is stunning! InfoWorld's "save XP"
stunt is revealed for what it is - a publicity stunt!

Does anyone still read InfoWorld? I used to subscribe to it 20 years ago.

As I have said many times, all of the criticisms about Vista today were
leveled against XP 7 years ago.

Nothing ever changes.

Richard
Fri Apr 04 02:00:30 PDT 2008

XP was seen as horrible at the beginning and many was saying you should
stick with Windows 2000 because it was faster and used less resources.

It goes such every time a new Windows operating system is released!


"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Bubba
>

RA
Fri Apr 04 06:11:23 PDT 2008

Bob Campbell wrote:
> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
>> appears to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Are you kidding? The exact same things being said about Vista
> today were said about XP 7 years ago. "It's too big, too bloated,
> to slow, needs too much hardware for decent performance, there are no
> drivers for my (printer/video card/network card, etc.), it's just
> Windows 2000 with a new theme, they moved things around for no
> apparent reason, the Activation requirement will kill MS, MS days are
> numbered, now is Linux's chance, 2002 will be the year of Linux".
>
> Lather, rinse, repeat.
>
> I guarantee you the very same things will be said when the next
> version of Windows hits the streets. Of course, that will be 3 years
> from now. In that time, Vista will undergo the same magical
> transformation that XP went thru, and Vista will be "fast,
> compatible, lean and mean" compared to the next version.
>
> And so it goes.

Don't forget the Service Pack agony. I can't imagine why people don't
remember all the whining, hair pulling and gnashing of teeth about XP, SP1
and SP2.

kurttrail
Fri Apr 04 07:14:23 PDT 2008

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> What problems are you referring to? In comparison,
> Microsoft has received far less calls for technical support
> for Vista than Windows XP did when it was launched.

Really? Do you have proof of this, or are you just blowing smoke out of
your ass?

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Mhzjunkie
Fri Apr 04 07:30:59 PDT 2008

philo spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself:

> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
>> appears to now have.
>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>
>> Bubba
>>
>>
>
> I have been on Usenet for about 89 years or so...

:)

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GOTO 1
END

kurttrail
Fri Apr 04 07:33:00 PDT 2008

Bubbler wrote:
> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
> to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?

Actually, XP was definitely problematic at launch.

The biggest difference between now and then is that people actually
wanted XP as an upgrade from the 9x OS line, so there were many more
early adopters that were upgrading.

With Vista, there seems to be many more problems with brand new OEM
installs than with XP. But then again, MS didn't collude with Intel
back in 2001 to sell 9x hardware as XP-Ready.

The funny thing is that after over six years between OS upgrades, as
compared to the 1 year wait for XP, Vista is less a necessary upgrade,
than XP was when it reached its SP1 milestone.

There is really no good reason to upgrade to Vista, while XP did offer a
lot to those that were still running 9x back in 2001 & 2002.

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NoStop
Fri Apr 04 07:39:15 PDT 2008

kurttrail wrote:

> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> What problems are you referring to? In comparison,
>> Microsoft has received far less calls for technical support
>> for Vista than Windows XP did when it was launched.
>
> Really? Do you have proof of this, or are you just blowing smoke out of
> your ass?
>

Carey is a Most Valuable Primate, so MS provides him with all their secret
emails outlining this stuff. He's got an inside track on the goings on with
MS.

Cheers.

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it easier to use and easier for people to set up on their personal
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ray
Fri Apr 04 07:59:36 PDT 2008

On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 22:28:50 -0400, Bob Campbell wrote:

> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:%23a3QXnflIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>> Thanks for the variety of answers, guys. General feeling is that XP
>> had its share of "problems" too.
>
> Of course. Any software - particularly something as complex as an OS
> (and an OS that must run on infinite combinations of hardware!) - is
> going to have problems on each new release. To expect otherwise is
> simply foolish.

Since there are finite versions of a finite number of hardware resources,
the number is still finit - though rather large.

>
>>Also, (1) I've used Linux in the past but no longer,
>
> Like most people - tried it but found it lacking.
>
>>(2) I started programming in 1960,
>
> Then as a programmer you know that all software has bugs. I started in
> 1973 and know this to be true.
>
>>(3) my question was not judgmental.
>
> I didn't read it as such.

Frank
Fri Apr 04 09:07:36 PDT 2008

NoStop, a broke old man wrote:

...hey loser...why are you here? This is Vista ng, something you can't
afford...LOL!Frank

Alias
Fri Apr 04 09:13:45 PDT 2008

Frank wrote:
> NoStop, a broke old man wrote:
>
> ...hey loser...why are you here? This is Vista ng, something you can't
> afford...LOL!Frank

Why Frank's here:


Who cares about what you like or dislike or support...you're a nobody.
Got it? You are a nobody...no one cares about your stupid life or your
bullsh*t diatribes about anything.
Get lost you jerk.
Frank, MPWVG, Dec 19, 2007

You're one sick lying fukk!!! No one...NO ONE believes you!!!
You are an admitted liar...a linux troll...an atheist and proly a commie
bastard and a real loser of a jerk.
Get lost!
Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 19, 2007

Of course it will. But then again, you don't have Vista so you don't
really know now do you mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie bastard.
LOL!!!
Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 20, 2007

What a childishly immature POS lying as*hole you are.
Frank, MPWVG, Dec. 23, 2007

jake wrote:


...just his usual delusional bullsh*t from some unknown blogger.
Get a real life you idiot!
Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

You're infested with Vista demons capin' crunch. Is that a result of not
taking your meds or are you just naturally that fukkin stupid?
Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

Who the fukk do you think you are...mr liar, mr atheist, mr commie
bastard....
Go screw yourself!
Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

flambe wrote:

...nothing but a bunch of uninformed lies and bullsh*t.
Grow up as*hole and face the fact that you're STUPID!
Frank, MPWVG, Dec 31, 2007

Wrong again you POS lying linux loser.
Get a life you moron.
Frank, MPWVG, Jan 1, 2008

You need to stop making a fool out of yourself mr liar.
You are a known troll and a pathological liar.
Get lost you stupid POS moron loser.
Frank, MPWVG, Jan 2, 2008

Ahahaha...of all the people who post to ng's...of all the lunies,
wackos, morons, idiots and just plain'o losers...you my friend are at the
very top of that heap of sh*theads...LOL!
Frank, MPWVG, Jan 5, 2008

...FUKK!!! You're so full of sh*t I can almost smell you thru the Internet!
Get a life you stupid POS moron idiot!
Frank, MPWVG, Jan 7, 2008


hehehe...never...and I mean never...admit in public that our are an
idiot...something that you've just done.
Use XP until the hell freezes over.
Frank MPWVG, Jan 10, 2008

Try sticking both of your feet into your big mouth at the same time
butt-munch!
Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

Why? You too stupid to know how to use Vista.
Loser.
Frank, MPWVG 1/16/08

I know you're a cross-dressing unemployed RS arse kissing lying linux
troll POS, but are you also a slobbering fukkin drunk too?
Sure sounds like it you ignorant as*hole...LOL!
Frank, MPWVG 1/17/08

Well 'nostop" hahaha...(what a fukkin handle that is!), I guess you
forgot to read huh?
Hey, here's a proper sentence...go fukk yourself you stupid
cross-dressing POS lying linux troll.
Got it?
Want some more?
Just let me know I do so enjoy bit*h slapping your ignorant arse all
over the place.
Loser!
Frank Vista General, 1/26/08

You would never says the outrageous and perverted insults you said about
my mother, wife and daughter to my face for fear of having the living
sh*t beaten out of you.
Pray we never meet!
Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

Pray...pray harder and more often than you ever have, that we never,
ever meet in person!
Frank, Vista General, 3/7/08

No but it is certainly higher than your IQ...LOL!
Hey...how is that love affair with that sheep coming along? Everybody
happy I hope...LOL!
Frank, Vista General, 3/9/08

Alias

Frank
Fri Apr 04 09:55:54 PDT 2008

Alias, our resident lying linux troll wrote:


...ahhh...what's wrong little man? Can't be original? Got that
copy/paste routine down pat?
But you're still a known and admitted liar aren't you?
Frank

Alias
Fri Apr 04 10:01:11 PDT 2008

Frank wrote:
> Alias, our resident lying linux troll wrote:
>
>
> ...ahhh...what's wrong little man?

Nothing.

> Can't be original? Got that
> copy/paste routine down pat?

Posting your comments bores you?

> But you're still a known and admitted liar aren't you?
> Frank

Nope, you are.

Alias

philo
Fri Apr 04 12:30:16 PDT 2008


"Mhzjunkie" <newsabuse@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ft5e37$vu3$1@news.datemas.de...
> philo spewed out this bit, and i'll scatter a few bits myself:
>
> > "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
> >> appears to now have.
> >> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
> >>
> >> Bubba
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I have been on Usenet for about 89 years or so...
>
> :)
>
>

The spark-gap transmitter version of Usenet at least

sheesh...talk about a mis-quote

Ken
Fri Apr 04 15:18:08 PDT 2008

On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:00:30 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

> XP was seen as horrible at the beginning and many was saying you should
> stick with Windows 2000 because it was faster and used less resources.
>
> It goes such every time a new Windows operating system is released!


And the amazing thing is how many people just can't remember it.

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Mark
Fri Apr 04 15:28:28 PDT 2008

I wish I could remember which trade publication it was that had an article
titled something like "Whistler, the whistle of a dropping bomb???"

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"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:u7adv3l3hdp7dhf3kln8gh78q2ssgc56uv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:00:30 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> XP was seen as horrible at the beginning and many was saying you should
>> stick with Windows 2000 because it was faster and used less resources.
>>
>> It goes such every time a new Windows operating system is released!
>
>
> And the amazing thing is how many people just can't remember it.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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xfile
Sat Apr 05 03:01:22 PDT 2008

That kind of comparison is valid if we were still living in 2001 with the
same level of knowledge, skills, expectations, and have not done all those
efforts during those years. Or this is just for self-comforting?




"Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista appears
>to now have.
> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>
> Bubba
>

DarkSentinel
Mon Apr 07 00:26:40 PDT 2008

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
news:ui6gdlelIHA.2304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Little Billy" <billy@club.nu> wrote in message
> news:O1dJj.14254$gS1.6607@trndny07...
>>
>> "Peter Foldes" <okf22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ud7sdedlIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Same thing but with a little difference. XP got much more complaints then
>> today's Vista when it was introduced as Gold
>>
>> It did not. You either have a bad memory old boy or some ulterior motive.
>>
>> --
>> Peter
>>
>> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
>> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>>
>> "Bubbler" <Nono@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:eI66IrclIHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>A friend claims that XP had lots of initial problems just as Vista
>>>appears
>>> to now have.
>>> I don't recall that as being so. Any comparison?
>>>
>>> Bubba
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> You obviously weren't there for the release of XP..

Took the words right out of my mouth there Mike.

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DarkSentinel
Mon Apr 07 00:29:57 PDT 2008

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:u7adv3l3hdp7dhf3kln8gh78q2ssgc56uv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:00:30 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> XP was seen as horrible at the beginning and many was saying you should
>> stick with Windows 2000 because it was faster and used less resources.
>>
>> It goes such every time a new Windows operating system is released!
>
>
> And the amazing thing is how many people just can't remember it.

It's not that they can't remember it Ken, it's that they choose not to
because it doesn't support their agenda. Those of us that have been around
and have been doing this a while in the real world know better.

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kurttrail
Mon Apr 07 05:26:20 PDT 2008

DarkSentinel wrote:
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:u7adv3l3hdp7dhf3kln8gh78q2ssgc56uv@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:00:30 -0400, "Richard Urban"
>> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> XP was seen as horrible at the beginning and many was saying you should
>>> stick with Windows 2000 because it was faster and used less resources.
>>>
>>> It goes such every time a new Windows operating system is released!
>>
>>
>> And the amazing thing is how many people just can't remember it.
>
> It's not that they can't remember it Ken, it's that they choose not to
> because it doesn't support their agenda. Those of us that have been
> around and have been doing this a while in the real world know better.
>

Actually, XP was definitely problematic at launch.

The biggest difference between now and then is that people actually
wanted XP as an upgrade from the 9x OS line, so there were many more
early adopters that were upgrading.

With Vista, there seems to be many more problems with brand new OEM
installs than with XP. But then again, MS didn't collude with Intel
back in 2001 to sell 9x hardware as XP-Ready.

The funny thing is that after over six years between OS upgrades, as
compared to the 1 year wait for XP, Vista is less a necessary upgrade,
than XP was when it reached its SP1 milestone.

There is really no good reason to upgrade to Vista, while XP did offer a
lot to those that were still running 9x back in 2001 & 2002.

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