Windows Mail the ONLY default newsreader c\alled by Outlook

Vista Home Premium SP1, Outlook 2007.
The Go-News menu function in Outlook 2007 on Vista Home Premium SP1 will NOT
call any other newsreader other than Windows Mail, even when the other news
reader is set as default.(Ie it opens when external news links are
clicked...)
This is in direct contradiction to Outlook 2007 on XP.
Does anyone know of a registry hack to allow O2007 to call something other
than Windows Mail?

Nonny
Sun May 11 01:06:34 PDT 2008

On Sun, 11 May 2008 08:13:45 +0100, "Gordon"
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>Vista Home Premium SP1, Outlook 2007.
>The Go-News menu function in Outlook 2007 on Vista Home Premium SP1 will NOT
>call any other newsreader other than Windows Mail, even when the other news
>reader is set as default.(Ie it opens when external news links are
>clicked...)
>This is in direct contradiction to Outlook 2007 on XP.
>Does anyone know of a registry hack to allow O2007 to call something other
>than Windows Mail?

If you don't have a third-party newsreader - and have it established
as your default newsreader - Windows Mail is the only possible choice.

Outlook isn't a newsreader.

VanguardLH
Sun May 11 06:59:33 PDT 2008

"Gordon" wrote in <news:g066b4$1mr$1@news.mixmin.net>:

> Vista Home Premium SP1, Outlook 2007.
> The Go-News menu function in Outlook 2007 on Vista Home Premium SP1 will NOT
> call any other newsreader other than Windows Mail, even when the other news
> reader is set as default.(Ie it opens when external news links are
> clicked...)
> This is in direct contradiction to Outlook 2007 on XP.
> Does anyone know of a registry hack to allow O2007 to call something other
> than Windows Mail?

So what is specified as the client program for newsgroups in Internet
Options -> Programs?

Outlook doesn't support NNTP (network news transfer protcol). It calls
whatever is designated as the current default NNTP client to handle
newsgroups. So check what is currently designated as the default NNTP
client (by Windows, not by some option within a program, because Outlook
doesn't know about the program, it only knows what Windows was told).

Gordon
Sun May 11 09:40:03 PDT 2008

"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:36ad241n66uvb89gdqq591800bnkpmqrjf@4ax.com...
>
> If you don't have a third-party newsreader - and have it established
> as your default newsreader - Windows Mail is the only possible choice.
>
> Outlook isn't a newsreader.

Read my post. I HAVE a third-party newsreader application - it IS set as
default, and yes I know that Outlook doesn't do news. The Go-News menu item
is supposed to call the default newsreader - in XP it does. In Vista,
although the third-party newsreader (Thunderbird actually) is set as default
news reader the Go-news item in Outlook under Vista will NOT call anything
except Windows Mail, whether that is set as default or not.

Gordon
Sun May 11 09:41:54 PDT 2008

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:g06u41$rgt$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> So what is specified as the client program for newsgroups in Internet
> Options -> Programs?

Vista doesn't work that way - it doesn't show default applications. However,
as I said in my OP, the third-party newsreader (Thunderbird IS set as
default, and news links from other applications open in TBird NOT Windows
Mail)
>
> Outlook doesn't support NNTP (network news transfer protcol). It calls
> whatever is designated as the current default NNTP client to handle
> newsgroups. So check what is currently designated as the default NNTP
> client (by Windows, not by some option within a program, because Outlook
> doesn't know about the program, it only knows what Windows was told).

I *KNOW* Outlook doesn't do NNTP. Read my OP.

Roady
Sun May 11 10:18:56 PDT 2008

Don't rely on that option. You can easily create your own button in Outlook
which points to any application or file that you want.
See http://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/customizetoolbar.htm

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

http://www.msoutlook.info/
Real World Questions, Real World Answers

-----

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:g066b4$1mr$1@news.mixmin.net...
> Vista Home Premium SP1, Outlook 2007.
> The Go-News menu function in Outlook 2007 on Vista Home Premium SP1 will
> NOT call any other newsreader other than Windows Mail, even when the other
> news reader is set as default.(Ie it opens when external news links are
> clicked...)
> This is in direct contradiction to Outlook 2007 on XP.
> Does anyone know of a registry hack to allow O2007 to call something other
> than Windows Mail?

Donald
Sun May 11 10:42:29 PDT 2008

On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:40:03 +0100, "Gordon"
<gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:36ad241n66uvb89gdqq591800bnkpmqrjf@4ax.com...
>>
>> If you don't have a third-party newsreader - and have it established
>> as your default newsreader - Windows Mail is the only possible choice.
>>
>> Outlook isn't a newsreader.
>
>Read my post. I HAVE a third-party newsreader application - it IS set as
>default, and yes I know that Outlook doesn't do news. The Go-News menu item
>is supposed to call the default newsreader - in XP it does. In Vista,
>although the third-party newsreader (Thunderbird actually) is set as default
>news reader the Go-news item in Outlook under Vista will NOT call anything
>except Windows Mail, whether that is set as default or not.
>


Hmmm. Just tried that, and confirmed it.

Which means that it is possible that the NNTP client is hardwired in
the code of Outlook 2007.

Why not just add a short-cut to your client in the QuickLaunch
Toolbar?

It is simple enough to put one there.

By the way, Thunderbird is NOT a "news client". It is a COMBINED
E-mail/Usenet Client.

Want to see an NNTP client? Download Forte's Agent (4.2) and try it
out for a week or two. You will be blown away, if you've never used
one before.


A silly question: Why use a Personal Information Manager (Outlook
2007) to launch your NNTP client in the first place? Just launch it
from within Thunderbird.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

Donald
Sun May 11 11:10:11 PDT 2008

On Sun, 11 May 2008 08:59:33 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>"Gordon" wrote in <news:g066b4$1mr$1@news.mixmin.net>:
>
>> Vista Home Premium SP1, Outlook 2007.
>> The Go-News menu function in Outlook 2007 on Vista Home Premium SP1 will NOT
>> call any other newsreader other than Windows Mail, even when the other news
>> reader is set as default.(Ie it opens when external news links are
>> clicked...)

I can confirm this. My own experimentation seems to indicate that the
link to "News" in Outlook 2007 is hard-wired to Windows Mail and News.

>> This is in direct contradiction to Outlook 2007 on XP.
>> Does anyone know of a registry hack to allow O2007 to call something other
>> than Windows Mail?


Never tried it in Outlook 2007 on XP. I would suspect that it is much
the same, except that it would be hard-wired to "Outlook Express Mail
and News", rather than "Windows Mail and News", which is a strictly
Vista application.

>So what is specified as the client program for newsgroups in Internet
>Options -> Programs?
>
>Outlook doesn't support NNTP (network news transfer protcol). It calls
>whatever is designated as the current default NNTP client to handle
>newsgroups. So check what is currently designated as the default NNTP
>client (by Windows, not by some option within a program, because Outlook
>doesn't know about the program, it only knows what Windows was told).


After having investigated this more fully, I've come to the conclusion
that the "News"command in the Outlook Menu is HARDWIRED to "Windows
Mail and News", and can no longer be set to the default newsreader
successfully.

Additionally, it appears that Windows Mail and News is hard-wired to
add the extension ".nws" to saved articles. It doesn't appear to me
to be possible to either delete or re-direct this extension to a
third-party client. (I tried to do this with Forte's Agent 4.2, and
was unsuccessful.) This is what leads me to suspect that it is simply
not possible to redirect the "Go->News" command to a third-party NNTP
client.

Outlook has had problems with this command for several years, anyway.
It's about time that Microsoft "officially" broke it.

I've even got Windows Mail and News disabled by a Global Policy, yet
Outlook STILL attempts to call it if one uses the "Go/News" command.

HOWEVER, when one attempts to open a new e-mail item from outside
Outlook 2007 (i.e., from within one's third-party Usenet client),
Outlook 2007 is called if it is set as the Default E-mail client.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

Nonny
Sun May 11 13:35:41 PDT 2008

On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:42:29 -0700, Donald L McDaniel
<orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote:

>Why not just add a short-cut to your client in the QuickLaunch
>Toolbar?
>
>It is simple enough to put one there.

I said that quite some time ago.

>By the way, Thunderbird is NOT a "news client". It is a COMBINED
>E-mail/Usenet Client.

Thank you.

Gordon
Sun May 11 23:34:44 PDT 2008

"Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote in
message news:CEACA2FB-9C3B-4CB2-B5AE-6F949F89167A@microsoft.com...
> Don't rely on that option. You can easily create your own button in
> Outlook which points to any application or file that you want.
> See http://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/customizetoolbar.htm
>

Thanks for that - I think that needs to be amended for Outlook 2007 - the
procedure is not quite as simple as that!

Roady
Mon May 12 01:47:42 PDT 2008

At what point? The procedure is the same as long as you are in the main
Outlook window.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

http://www.msoutlook.info/
Real World Questions, Real World Answers

-----

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:g08odv$26i$1@news.mixmin.net...
> "Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote
> in message news:CEACA2FB-9C3B-4CB2-B5AE-6F949F89167A@microsoft.com...
>> Don't rely on that option. You can easily create your own button in
>> Outlook which points to any application or file that you want.
>> See http://www.howto-outlook.com/howto/customizetoolbar.htm
>>
>
> Thanks for that - I think that needs to be amended for Outlook 2007 - the
> procedure is not quite as simple as that!

VanguardLH
Mon May 12 02:09:14 PDT 2008

"Gordon" wrote in <news:g077ke$6dq$1@news.mixmin.net>:

> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
> news:g06u41$rgt$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> So what is specified as the client program for newsgroups in Internet
>> Options -> Programs?
>
> Vista doesn't work that way - it doesn't show default applications.

You're saying that the "Tools -> Internet Options" menu isn't available
in IE or the Internet Option applet isn't available in the Control Panel
(when shown in classic mode instead of that categorized mode) in Windows
Vista?

> However,
> as I said in my OP, the third-party newsreader (Thunderbird IS set as
> default, and news links from other applications open in TBird NOT Windows
> Mail)

"even when the other news
reader is set as default".

That could've meant an option within Tbird was set to try to make it the
default (just like there is an option within OE to make it the default).
I don't use Tbird so I don't know if it is Vista-ready and that such an
option within the program would set the correct registry values to
actually make it the default by *other* programs. I couldn't tell where
you set Tbird as the default NNTP client.

>> Outlook doesn't support NNTP (network news transfer protcol). It calls
>> whatever is designated as the current default NNTP client to handle
>> newsgroups. So check what is currently designated as the default NNTP
>> client (by Windows, not by some option within a program, because Outlook
>> doesn't know about the program, it only knows what Windows was told).
>
> I *KNOW* Outlook doesn't do NNTP. Read my OP.

Excuuuuse me. In your original post, you start out by talking about
using the Go -> News menu in Outlook. Well, the only ones using that
indirect method to get at the NNTP client are boobs and noobs that don't
realize that Outlook doesn't do NNTP. There is no advantage to starting
Outlook to then go clicking through menus in Outlook to start up a
separate NNTP client than to more easily just click on a button in the
QuickLaunch or other toolbar in the Windows taskbar to start up the NNTP
client directly.

Gordon
Mon May 12 02:57:15 PDT 2008

"Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote in
message news:EAB29E2A-FFD3-446A-BDBD-9349D9EDCFF6@microsoft.com...
> At what point? The procedure is the same as long as you are in the main
> Outlook window.
>

No it's not. In Outlook 2007 (on Vista) you can add the Icon to a toolbar,
but then you cannot right-click on it to choose the Hyperlink option.
You need to do the following:
After adding the Icon to whichever menubar you want, in the Customize box on
the "Commands" tab, you have to click on the "Rearrange Commands" button.
You then choose the menubar where you added the icon from the drop-down box,
click on the command you added in the left-hand pane, then click on the
"modify selection" button on the right, where you can add the hyperlink.

Gordon
Mon May 12 03:01:09 PDT 2008

"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:g091fm$dck$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> "Gordon" wrote in <news:g077ke$6dq$1@news.mixmin.net>:
>
>> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
>> news:g06u41$rgt$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> So what is specified as the client program for newsgroups in Internet
>>> Options -> Programs?
>>
>> Vista doesn't work that way - it doesn't show default applications.
>
> You're saying that the "Tools -> Internet Options" menu isn't available
> in IE or the Internet Option applet isn't available in the Control Panel
> (when shown in classic mode instead of that categorized mode) in Windows
> Vista?

I'm not saying either - the Internet Options-Programs tab in IE7 in Vista is
totally different to that in XP. It does NOT show a list of "default
programs". It allows you to choose programs as the default for certain
tasks, but does NOT show a list of what you have chosen.


>>
>> I *KNOW* Outlook doesn't do NNTP. Read my OP.
>
> Excuuuuse me. In your original post, you start out by talking about
> using the Go -> News menu in Outlook. Well, the only ones using that
> indirect method to get at the NNTP client are boobs and noobs that don't
> realize that Outlook doesn't do NNTP. There is no advantage to starting
> Outlook to then go clicking through menus in Outlook to start up a
> separate NNTP client than to more easily just click on a button in the
> QuickLaunch or other toolbar in the Windows taskbar to start up the NNTP
> client directly.

Well excuuuuse me - that is CRAP. All the Go-News menu item does is OPEN A
NEWS READER. What is your problem with that? Its NO different from doing
Start-All Programs-Newsreader. Many many people use it.

Steve
Mon May 12 02:59:42 PDT 2008

I don't know how one can "hardwire" software. The settings may not be
configurable, but its not hard wired in the computer.

steve

"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:6jbe24lhugmh4atd1l4iq05qr1rng5ucfu@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:40:03 +0100, "Gordon"
> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:36ad241n66uvb89gdqq591800bnkpmqrjf@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> If you don't have a third-party newsreader - and have it established
>>> as your default newsreader - Windows Mail is the only possible choice.
>>>
>>> Outlook isn't a newsreader.
>>
>>Read my post. I HAVE a third-party newsreader application - it IS set as
>>default, and yes I know that Outlook doesn't do news. The Go-News menu
>>item
>>is supposed to call the default newsreader - in XP it does. In Vista,
>>although the third-party newsreader (Thunderbird actually) is set as
>>default
>>news reader the Go-news item in Outlook under Vista will NOT call anything
>>except Windows Mail, whether that is set as default or not.
>>
>
>
> Hmmm. Just tried that, and confirmed it.
>
> Which means that it is possible that the NNTP client is hardwired in
> the code of Outlook 2007.
>
> Why not just add a short-cut to your client in the QuickLaunch
> Toolbar?
>
> It is simple enough to put one there.
>
> By the way, Thunderbird is NOT a "news client". It is a COMBINED
> E-mail/Usenet Client.
>
> Want to see an NNTP client? Download Forte's Agent (4.2) and try it
> out for a week or two. You will be blown away, if you've never used
> one before.
>
>
> A silly question: Why use a Personal Information Manager (Outlook
> 2007) to launch your NNTP client in the first place? Just launch it
> from within Thunderbird.
>
>
> Donald L McDaniel
> Please reply to the correct thread and article.
> ================================================

Steve
Mon May 12 02:58:48 PDT 2008

The settings in the registry are located here:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Clients\News

You can play with those to see if that will affect Outlook's behavior.

Outlook may ignore those settings though.

steve

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:g066b4$1mr$1@news.mixmin.net...
> Vista Home Premium SP1, Outlook 2007.
> The Go-News menu function in Outlook 2007 on Vista Home Premium SP1 will
> NOT call any other newsreader other than Windows Mail, even when the other
> news reader is set as default.(Ie it opens when external news links are
> clicked...)
> This is in direct contradiction to Outlook 2007 on XP.
> Does anyone know of a registry hack to allow O2007 to call something other
> than Windows Mail?

VanguardLH
Mon May 12 06:28:12 PDT 2008

"Gordon" wrote in <news:g094h2$e8p$1@news.mixmin.net>:

> Well excuuuuse me - that is CRAP. All the Go-News menu item does is OPEN A
> NEWS READER. What is your problem with that? Its NO different from doing
> Start-All Programs-Newsreader. Many many people use it.

After you load Outlook. After you navigate the menus. Then you start
the NNTP client. Uh huh, easier, sure.

Roady
Mon May 12 06:33:19 PDT 2008

There is no change in behavior like that. Note that you must right click on
the icon in the menu bar and not in the Customize dialog. Of course, the
Customize dialog box must still be opened.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

http://www.msoutlook.info/
Real World Questions, Real World Answers

-----

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:g0949m$e0i$1@news.mixmin.net...
> "Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote
> in message news:EAB29E2A-FFD3-446A-BDBD-9349D9EDCFF6@microsoft.com...
>> At what point? The procedure is the same as long as you are in the main
>> Outlook window.
>>
>
> No it's not. In Outlook 2007 (on Vista) you can add the Icon to a toolbar,
> but then you cannot right-click on it to choose the Hyperlink option.
> You need to do the following:
> After adding the Icon to whichever menubar you want, in the Customize box
> on the "Commands" tab, you have to click on the "Rearrange Commands"
> button. You then choose the menubar where you added the icon from the
> drop-down box, click on the command you added in the left-hand pane, then
> click on the "modify selection" button on the right, where you can add the
> hyperlink.
>

Gordon
Mon May 12 07:21:57 PDT 2008

"Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote in
message news:AE89AB7E-6F7E-4C52-9E21-99F8CAC20CF5@microsoft.com...

> Of course, the Customize dialog box must still be opened.
>

Right. That's the bit that is not explicit on the web page....

Donald
Mon May 12 12:07:26 PDT 2008

On Mon, 12 May 2008 05:59:42 -0400, "Steve Cochran"
<scochran@oehelp.com> wrote:

>I don't know how one can "hardwire" software. The settings may not be
>configurable, but its not hard wired in the computer.
>
>steve

Sorry, Steve. Poor choice of words. Actually, I should have used
"hard-coded" rather than "hard-wired".

But the effect is still the same. It doesn't appear to be possible to
do what the OP wants to do from within Windows Vista.

Maybe backward-engineering Outlook might make it possible, but of
course, this would be a violation of our Office licenses.

>
>"Donald L McDaniel" <orthocross@invalid.invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:6jbe24lhugmh4atd1l4iq05qr1rng5ucfu@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 May 2008 17:40:03 +0100, "Gordon"
>> <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:36ad241n66uvb89gdqq591800bnkpmqrjf@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have a third-party newsreader - and have it established
>>>> as your default newsreader - Windows Mail is the only possible choice.
>>>>
>>>> Outlook isn't a newsreader.
>>>
>>>Read my post. I HAVE a third-party newsreader application - it IS set as
>>>default, and yes I know that Outlook doesn't do news. The Go-News menu
>>>item
>>>is supposed to call the default newsreader - in XP it does. In Vista,
>>>although the third-party newsreader (Thunderbird actually) is set as
>>>default
>>>news reader the Go-news item in Outlook under Vista will NOT call anything
>>>except Windows Mail, whether that is set as default or not.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmm. Just tried that, and confirmed it.
>>
>> Which means that it is possible that the NNTP client is hardwired in
>> the code of Outlook 2007.
>>
>> Why not just add a short-cut to your client in the QuickLaunch
>> Toolbar?
>>
>> It is simple enough to put one there.
>>
>> By the way, Thunderbird is NOT a "news client". It is a COMBINED
>> E-mail/Usenet Client.
>>
>> Want to see an NNTP client? Download Forte's Agent (4.2) and try it
>> out for a week or two. You will be blown away, if you've never used
>> one before.
>>
>>
>> A silly question: Why use a Personal Information Manager (Outlook
>> 2007) to launch your NNTP client in the first place? Just launch it
>> from within Thunderbird.

If I remember correctly, all you have to do is press "Ctrl"+"2"?
Someone please correct me, if this is wrong?


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

Donald
Mon May 12 13:46:32 PDT 2008

On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:28:12 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>"Gordon" wrote in <news:g094h2$e8p$1@news.mixmin.net>:
>
>> Well excuuuuse me - that is CRAP. All the Go-News menu item does is OPEN A
>> NEWS READER. What is your problem with that? Its NO different from doing
>> Start-All Programs-Newsreader. Many many people use it.
>
>After you load Outlook. After you navigate the menus. Then you start
>the NNTP client. Uh huh, easier, sure.

Sorry, friend, but it's not that simple in Vista.

In fact, through much experimentation, I am of the opinion that the
ONLY program which the "Go/News" option in the Outlook 2007 Menu Bar
opens is "Windows Mail and News". PERIOD.


Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the correct thread and article.
================================================

Roady
Fri May 16 02:42:10 PDT 2008

Yes it is;
Step 1: Place your Toolbar in edit-mode with a link to explain Edit mode if
you skipped part of the article.
It is not telling you to close edit mode until step 6.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

http://www.msoutlook.info/
Real World Questions, Real World Answers

-----

"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:g09jq0$ugv$1@news.mixmin.net...
> "Roady [MVP]" <newsgroups_DELETE_@_DELETE_sparnaaij_NO_._SPAM_net> wrote
> in message news:AE89AB7E-6F7E-4C52-9E21-99F8CAC20CF5@microsoft.com...
>
>> Of course, the Customize dialog box must still be opened.
>>
>
> Right. That's the bit that is not explicit on the web page....