zachd
Fri Sep 19 16:41:49 PDT 2008
"Ringmaster" <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote in message
news:1mh7d452q1lasqju6binvuhll3acjjv1kr@4ax.com...
> Windows Explorer constantly keeps crashing because it was written by
> the idiots of Redmond.
I'm not sure what flaw you're referring to: could you clarify?
I may not be the brightest bulb in the shed, but given a good pointer I can
probably fix whatever 'constant crashing' you're pointing to or triage it
appropriately. Constant crashes sound like something that would be good to
be fixed. Given that your previous crashing was in a bogus third party DLL,
though --
> They know even their hand-picked
> MVP's hate Explorer and many use a different shell.
I don't see why it'd matter: MVPs are picked for just being generally
excellent helpful people, not for goose-stepping to some imaginary party
line. Exposure to more experiences allows you to potentially provide better
more interesting feedback. Competition is an opportunity.
> Need proof?
> Next time you see Explorer crash look up the crash in Event Viewer and
> cookies to donuts it will point to the kernel or some other MICROSOFT
> file that caused it.
I respect you're not a developer and as such misinterpret that data.
Thankfully you should be able to use the Windows Debugging Toolkit to make
more sense of that data. Generally what happens is that Explorer
(ApplicationName) is transacting with random third party DLL that then does
bad things to memory at Fault Offset XXX that Faulting Module "kernel" (your
example) crashes on because the memory usage is invalid/bad/broken. The
important and difficult step is to walk back up to the actual source of the
crash. Debugging is rather an art form.
I would not expect any average citizen to be able to understand or make
sense of most crash reports by themselves. If you wish to interpret them,
party on - but your triaging method as specified above is dangerously
misleading. This falls into the "Just enough knowledge to be dangerous"
category.
> The number one reason WHY Vista crashes is oops Windows
> itself doing something stupid that requires it to shut down one of
> it's applets.
I realize you have no backing to that assertion, but this article is
interesting and does provide some fascinating metrics:
http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2008/05/21/8525411.aspx
> So damn funny... Vista needs to close because IT did
> something to cause it itself. The more you know about Windows, the
> more you see how messed up it is.
Counter-point: if you do know more about Windows, what specific crashes have
you triaged from the event viewer fault data and led to any sort of specific
resolution? I respect your interest in this area - it's a fascinating
field! - but triaging these areas can be brutally hard even without people
jumping to conclusions. Even *with* great triaging it can take hard work to
track down the precise source of any given issue, and people polluting the
information channels makes that digging for information more difficult.
If you did actually know "messed up areas" of Windows, you should point
those out. Otherwise... it pleases me that trolls have to make stuff up at
this point because their other real actual criticisms aren't meaningful
enough. Clearly every OS, every application has problems, but if we're to
the point where people are making stuff up in order to produce fake
criticism: that's pretty sweet. If that's not the case... why make stuff
up? Seems like a waste of time for you.
It's my hobby to help solve top crashes in Windows (augmenting the work of
other teams here) because I think it's a) fascinating and b) beneficial to
the computing world. Your comments are pretty grossly offbase in an area
that I know very very well, but I'm pretty sure you know that and simply
have zero to little interest in accuracy (or are speaking to areas that you
have an understandably limited understanding of). Oh well: I and others
will continue helping people and solving problems, so we'll continue to
advance the computing world despite your mock attempts at sabotage. :-)
-Zach
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