Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to
MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather
have downloaded just the SP3 file, naturally, to have it available for
a later possible update, but Microsoft prevents this, only offering
the huge 300M version for download alone. The process of downloading
and installing took nearly 40 minutes! My DSL is running at 2244Kbits
when I tested just now so it wasn't download speed, there was just a
LOT of moving and shakin to that SP3!. I was totally amazed when the
blamed thing rebooted and came up normally after all that disk
thrashing and Microsoft intrusiveness. I made a quick attempt to test
all my software (there's a lot) and, far as I could see it was all
working. Following the link
XP SP3 tech net forum:
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17
that I got from this newsgroup I found many people having troubles
with SP3. One complained of Windows Updates no longer working. So I
tried that next and, sure enough it no longer worked. Then neither
FireFox or IE7 would connect to internet. After considerable thrashing
around I finally concluded that SP3 had changed something in my
ZoneAlarm firewall. Once ZA blocked one Generic Host Processor
'intrusion' then neither browser would work till ZA was turned off.
Setting the Generic Host Processor to 'Trusted' in ZA didn't help. But
in Firewall, Zones my network adaptor card (which is connected to my
DSL modem and thus the internet) was set to 'Internet'. I changed this
to 'Trusted' and things started working. Set back to 'Internet' -
things still worked, but only temporarily. Had to keep network card at
'Trusted' for system to work.
That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far.

Re: My SP3 results so far by Twayne

Twayne
Sat May 10 09:46:18 PDT 2008

Good post; thanks.

> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to
> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather
> have downloaded just the SP3 file, naturally, to have it available for
> a later possible update, but Microsoft prevents this, only offering
> the huge 300M version for download alone. The process of downloading
> and installing took nearly 40 minutes! My DSL is running at 2244Kbits
> when I tested just now so it wasn't download speed, there was just a
> LOT of moving and shakin to that SP3!. I was totally amazed when the
> blamed thing rebooted and came up normally after all that disk
> thrashing and Microsoft intrusiveness. I made a quick attempt to test
> all my software (there's a lot) and, far as I could see it was all
> working. Following the link
> XP SP3 tech net forum:
> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17
> that I got from this newsgroup I found many people having troubles
> with SP3. One complained of Windows Updates no longer working. So I
> tried that next and, sure enough it no longer worked. Then neither
> FireFox or IE7 would connect to internet. After considerable thrashing
> around I finally concluded that SP3 had changed something in my
> ZoneAlarm firewall. Once ZA blocked one Generic Host Processor
> 'intrusion' then neither browser would work till ZA was turned off.
> Setting the Generic Host Processor to 'Trusted' in ZA didn't help. But
> in Firewall, Zones my network adaptor card (which is connected to my
> DSL modem and thus the internet) was set to 'Internet'. I changed this
> to 'Trusted' and things started working. Set back to 'Internet' -
> things still worked, but only temporarily. Had to keep network card at
> 'Trusted' for system to work.
> That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far.




Re: My SP3 results so far by Big

Big
Sat May 10 11:33:08 PDT 2008

John Smith wrote:
> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to
> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather
> have downloaded just the SP3 file, naturally, to have it available for
> a later possible update, but Microsoft prevents this, only offering
> the huge 300M version for download alone. The process of downloading
> and installing took nearly 40 minutes! My DSL is running at 2244Kbits
> when I tested just now so it wasn't download speed, there was just a
> LOT of moving and shakin to that SP3!. I was totally amazed when the
> blamed thing rebooted and came up normally after all that disk
> thrashing and Microsoft intrusiveness. I made a quick attempt to test
> all my software (there's a lot) and, far as I could see it was all
> working. Following the link
> XP SP3 tech net forum:
> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17
> that I got from this newsgroup I found many people having troubles
> with SP3. One complained of Windows Updates no longer working. So I
> tried that next and, sure enough it no longer worked. Then neither
> FireFox or IE7 would connect to internet. After considerable thrashing
> around I finally concluded that SP3 had changed something in my
> ZoneAlarm firewall. Once ZA blocked one Generic Host Processor
> 'intrusion' then neither browser would work till ZA was turned off.
> Setting the Generic Host Processor to 'Trusted' in ZA didn't help. But
> in Firewall, Zones my network adaptor card (which is connected to my
> DSL modem and thus the internet) was set to 'Internet'. I changed this
> to 'Trusted' and things started working. Set back to 'Internet' -
> things still worked, but only temporarily. Had to keep network card at
> 'Trusted' for system to work.
> That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far.
The 314 meg download is SP3. There is no smaller item. If you have a
fully updated system you only install 67 megs or so, probably the new
hotfixes and updates that were previously not distributed. But SP3 =
300+ meg. If you have to do more than one PC on a slow connection, you
would be better off downloading and putting it on a thumb or CD.

Re: My SP3 results so far by Kate

Kate
Sat May 10 16:59:16 PDT 2008


"Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ETlVj.1888$5b3.1589@trnddc05...
> John Smith wrote:
>> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to
>> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would rather
>> have downloaded just the SP3 file, naturally, to have it available for
>> a later possible update, but Microsoft prevents this, only offering
>> the huge 300M version for download alone. The process of downloading
>> and installing took nearly 40 minutes! My DSL is running at 2244Kbits
>> when I tested just now so it wasn't download speed, there was just a
>> LOT of moving and shakin to that SP3!. I was totally amazed when the
>> blamed thing rebooted and came up normally after all that disk
>> thrashing and Microsoft intrusiveness. I made a quick attempt to test
>> all my software (there's a lot) and, far as I could see it was all
>> working. Following the link XP SP3 tech net forum:
>> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17
>> that I got from this newsgroup I found many people having troubles
>> with SP3. One complained of Windows Updates no longer working. So I
>> tried that next and, sure enough it no longer worked. Then neither
>> FireFox or IE7 would connect to internet. After considerable thrashing
>> around I finally concluded that SP3 had changed something in my
>> ZoneAlarm firewall. Once ZA blocked one Generic Host Processor
>> 'intrusion' then neither browser would work till ZA was turned off.
>> Setting the Generic Host Processor to 'Trusted' in ZA didn't help. But
>> in Firewall, Zones my network adaptor card (which is connected to my
>> DSL modem and thus the internet) was set to 'Internet'. I changed this
>> to 'Trusted' and things started working. Set back to 'Internet' -
>> things still worked, but only temporarily. Had to keep network card at
>> 'Trusted' for system to work.
>> That's the part of the elephant I'm feeling so far.

> The 314 meg download is SP3. There is no smaller item. If you have a
> fully updated system you only install 67 megs or so, probably the new
> hotfixes and updates that were previously not distributed. But SP3 = 300+
> meg. If you have to do more than one PC on a slow connection, you would
> be better off downloading and putting it on a thumb or CD.

I, too, have just installed SP3 in the same manner as the OP. I have kept
very current with Windows Updates so expected the increase in files and
harddrive space to be minimal. However, a comparison between a full
harddrive backup before SP3 and another after installation of SP3 shows an
increase of 2710 files totalling 0.6 GB. How come? Also, I am finding my
whole system "clunky", e.g. boot-up takes longer, and programs take longer
to load. In OE6 I am also getting that annoying message about "No
connection to the internet is currently available. Retry" etc. I don`t have
a very powerful computer and think that SP3 has made the OS so top-heavy, it
is struggling to do "normal" things, especially if I am running a graphics
program which is heavy on memory usage. If I find that I cannot take it
anymore, can I uninstall SP3? I would, presumably, then have to re-install
SP2 and then get all the updates since then. A daunting prospect.

Thanks for listening!
Kate


Re: My SP3 results so far by John

John
Sun May 11 10:33:03 PDT 2008

On Sat, 10 May 2008 18:33:08 GMT, Big Al <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote:

>John Smith wrote:
>> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to
>> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'.....

>The 314 meg download is SP3. There is no smaller item. If you have a
>fully updated system you only install 67 megs or so, probably the new
>hotfixes and updates that were previously not distributed. But SP3 =
>300+ meg. If you have to do more than one PC on a slow connection, you
>would be better off downloading and putting it on a thumb or CD.

Thanks for explaining that. I'll want that 300meg stored on a CD for
'next time'.

Re: My SP3 results so far by Twayne

Twayne
Sun May 11 16:58:08 PDT 2008

> "Big Al" <BigAl@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:ETlVj.1888$5b3.1589@trnddc05...
>> John Smith wrote:
>>> Yesterday I backed my XPpro up using both image and clone. Went to
>>> MicroSoft Updates and did their 'download and install'. I would
>>> rather have downloaded just the SP3 file, naturally, to have it
>>> available for a later possible update, but Microsoft prevents this,
>>> only offering the huge 300M version for download alone. The process
>>> of downloading and installing took nearly 40 minutes! My DSL is
>>> running at 2244Kbits when I tested just now so it wasn't download
>>> speed, there was just a LOT of moving and shakin to that SP3!. I
>>> was totally amazed when the blamed thing rebooted and came up
>>> normally after all that disk thrashing and Microsoft intrusiveness.
>>> I made a quick attempt to test all my software (there's a lot) and,
>>> far as I could see it was all working. Following the link XP SP3
>>> tech net forum:
>>> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=2010&SiteID=17
>>> that I got from this newsgroup I found many people having troubles
>>> with SP3. One complained of Windows Updates no longer working. So I
>>> tried that next and, sure enough it no longer worked. Then neither
>>> FireFox or IE7 would connect to internet. After considerable
>>> thrashing around I finally concluded that SP3 had changed something
>>> in my ZoneAlarm firewall. Once ZA blocked one Generic Host
>>> Processor 'intrusion' then neither browser would work till ZA was
>>> turned off. Setting the Generic Host Processor to 'Trusted' in ZA
>>> didn't help. But in Firewall, Zones my network adaptor card (which
>>> is connected to my DSL modem and thus the internet) was set to
>>> 'Internet'. I changed this to 'Trusted' and things started working.
>>> Set back to 'Internet' - things still worked, but only temporarily.
>>> Had to keep network card at 'Trusted' for system to work. That's the
>>> part of the elephant I'm feeling so far.
>
>> The 314 meg download is SP3. There is no smaller item. If you have
>> a fully updated system you only install 67 megs or so, probably the
>> new hotfixes and updates that were previously not distributed. But
>> SP3 = 300+ meg. If you have to do more than one PC on a slow
>> connection, you would be better off downloading and putting it on a
>> thumb or CD.
>
> I, too, have just installed SP3 in the same manner as the OP. I have
> kept very current with Windows Updates so expected the increase in
> files and harddrive space to be minimal. However, a comparison
> between a full harddrive backup before SP3 and another after
> installation of SP3 shows an increase of 2710 files totalling 0.6 GB.
> How come? Also, I am finding my whole system "clunky", e.g. boot-up
> takes longer, and programs take longer to load. In OE6 I am also
> getting that annoying message about "No connection to the internet is
> currently available. Retry" etc. I don`t have a very powerful
> computer and think that SP3 has made the OS so top-heavy, it is
> struggling to do "normal" things, especially if I am running a
> graphics program which is heavy on memory usage. If I find that I
> cannot take it anymore, can I uninstall SP3? I would, presumably,
> then have to re-install SP2 and then get all the updates since then. A
> daunting prospect.
> Thanks for listening!
> Kate

Have you emptied the Recycle bin?
Have you done a defrag?
Have you done a Disk Cleanup? (Start, run, accessories, system tools,
disk cleanup)
Do you still have the SP3 original download stuff still on your drive?
And all the temp files it created?
Restart your machine 3 times in a row; see if that doesn't help some
too. It's highly likely it will.

Yes, you can uninstall SP3 but ... SP3 is nothing but SP2 with all those
hotfixes included, so it's essentially the same thing with a few extra
features & gizmos added for good measure.

I don't know what your numbers show because of so little data along with
them, but I find them slightly suspicious and suspect something else is
at work that's confusing the issue on you.

Twayne



Re: My SP3 results so far by John

John
Mon May 12 07:25:01 PDT 2008

On Sun, 11 May 2008 00:59:16 +0100, "Kate" <@*slamaspam*.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>I, too, have just installed SP3 in the same manner as the OP. I have kept
>very current with Windows Updates so expected the increase in files and
>harddrive space to be minimal. However, a comparison between a full
>harddrive backup before SP3 and another after installation of SP3 shows an
>increase of 2710 files totalling 0.6 GB. How come? Also, I am finding my
>whole system "clunky", e.g. boot-up takes longer, and programs take longer
>to load. In OE6 I am also getting that annoying message about "No
>connection to the internet is currently available. Retry" etc. I don`t have
>a very powerful computer and think that SP3 has made the OS so top-heavy, it
>is struggling to do "normal" things, especially if I am running a graphics
>program which is heavy on memory usage. If I find that I cannot take it
>anymore, can I uninstall SP3? I would, presumably, then have to re-install
>SP2 and then get all the updates since then. A daunting prospect.
>
>Thanks for listening!
>Kate
My backup image before SP3 was 9.71gig, afterwards it went to 10.0gig.
I don't think this increase in size has to do with any system slowdown
unless you're critically short on disk space on C: drive.
I don't THINK you'd have to reinstall SP2 if you uninstalled SP3 using
the Remove button in AddRemovePrograms, but that's just a guess. I
haven't noticed my machine is more clunky than usual after SP3. My
motherboard is 2002 vintage, cpu is 2.2gig, I have 60gig of freespace
on C: drive(PATA). My boot is always slow and I don't monitor it till
it's up. Big apps like Firefox, Photoshop, Winword t-a-k-e t-h-e-i-r
t-i-m-e coming up. If you would invest in a good backup system you
wouldn't have to agonize about going back in time. I use DeviceImage7
to image to a RAID drive (my mb has RAID) that I plug on when I want
to back up. I also clone with Maxtor MaxBlast, (a program that came
with a hard drive I bought to troubleshoot with and then returned) The
clone drive resides in a USB enclosure. (belt and suspenders, I
recently found out that you can't restore image to a drive that had
developed a sector problem - you just get the same error).

Re: My SP3 results so far by Kate

Kate
Mon May 12 13:02:10 PDT 2008



"Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:uPvEYL8sIHA.3804@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> I, too, have just installed SP3 in the same manner as the OP. I have
>> kept very current with Windows Updates so expected the increase in
>> files and harddrive space to be minimal. However, a comparison
>> between a full harddrive backup before SP3 and another after
>> installation of SP3 shows an increase of 2710 files totalling 0.6 GB.
>> How come? Also, I am finding my whole system "clunky", e.g. boot-up
>> takes longer, and programs take longer to load. In OE6 I am also
>> getting that annoying message about "No connection to the internet is
>> currently available. Retry" etc. I don`t have a very powerful
>> computer and think that SP3 has made the OS so top-heavy, it is
>> struggling to do "normal" things, especially if I am running a
>> graphics program which is heavy on memory usage. If I find that I
>> cannot take it anymore, can I uninstall SP3? I would, presumably,
>> then have to re-install SP2 and then get all the updates since then. A
>> daunting prospect.
>> Thanks for listening!
>> Kate
>
> Have you emptied the Recycle bin?
> Have you done a defrag?
> Have you done a Disk Cleanup? (Start, run, accessories, system tools,
> disk cleanup)
> Do you still have the SP3 original download stuff still on your drive? And
> all the temp files it created?
> Restart your machine 3 times in a row; see if that doesn't help some too.
> It's highly likely it will.
>
> Yes, you can uninstall SP3 but ... SP3 is nothing but SP2 with all those
> hotfixes included, so it's essentially the same thing with a few extra
> features & gizmos added for good measure.
>
> I don't know what your numbers show because of so little data along with
> them, but I find them slightly suspicious and suspect something else is at
> work that's confusing the issue on you.
>
> Twayne
>

I have checked in Windows/Temp and TEMP, and they are empty. Haven`t done a
disk cleanup though. Of course, there are all those SP3 Uninstall files
which are taking up disk space, but I won`t delete it until I am sure that
all is well. I am not sure what the 2710 files are either. My backup
software just shows that number of extra "objects", which I assume are
files. I always kept critical updates current, but rarely downloaded any of
the hotfixes as most, if not all, of them related to aspects that I do not
use. I have disabled the obvious ones in My Computer/Manage/Services and my
system seems to be a bit less soggy. BTW, I read elsewhere that if I do
uninstall SP3, my system will revert to SP2 automatically, which is a
relief.

I shall try Disk Cleanup and a defrag - although, I thought that with
Windows XP, defragging wasn`t so necessary as with, say, Windows 98SE?

Thanks for the advice.
Kate
(see also my reply to John Smith)


Re: My SP3 results so far by Kate

Kate
Tue May 13 05:47:56 PDT 2008

John,
I have been attempting to reply to your post to me, but, despite trying
twice, it doesn`t appear. So I will try here...

Your post :
My backup image before SP3 was 9.71gig, afterwards it went to 10.0gig.
I don't think this increase in size has to do with any system slowdown
unless you're critically short on disk space on C: drive.
I don't THINK you'd have to reinstall SP2 if you uninstalled SP3 using
the Remove button in AddRemovePrograms, but that's just a guess. I
haven't noticed my machine is more clunky than usual after SP3. My
motherboard is 2002 vintage, cpu is 2.2gig, I have 60gig of freespace
on C: drive(PATA). My boot is always slow and I don't monitor it till
it's up. Big apps like Firefox, Photoshop, Winword t-a-k-e t-h-e-i-r
t-i-m-e coming up. If you would invest in a good backup system you
wouldn't have to agonize about going back in time. I use DeviceImage7
to image to a RAID drive (my mb has RAID) that I plug on when I want
to back up. I also clone with Maxtor MaxBlast, (a program that came
with a hard drive I bought to troubleshoot with and then returned) The
clone drive resides in a USB enclosure. (belt and suspenders, I
recently found out that you can't restore image to a drive that had
developed a sector problem - you just get the same error).

My reply :
Maybe I was noticing a slow-down that didn`t exist just because I was paying
more attention! Your computer sounds more powerful than mine; I`ve only
got a puny 512MB of memory. I do back up my whole system every day, using
an external HD with Yosemite Tech Backup software.

As I mentioned in my reply to "Twayne", I have read that if you uninstall
SP3 it automatically reverts to SP2, as it was before installing SP3 - which
implies all updates - so it may not be so bad after all.

Thank you for your advice.
Kate
(I replied much earlier but, although my reply to Twayne appeared, this did
not. Apologies if it subsequently turns up.)