My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps there
was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum, no
beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.

My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.

We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try and
recover some data

Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it in
another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.

* Problem
is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
seen in the Bios.

I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
guess usually one has to format it to be seen
but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
doesnt find it

Is there a solution?
Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
read it via a USB connection as an external.

Thanks for any help
F

Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by neil

neil
Sat Aug 16 11:51:52 PDT 2008

Hi,
Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions then you
need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk management
and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can "explore" from
there or allocate a drive letter.
If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.

Neil
"franko" <knarfi.sorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
> but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps there
> was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
> sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum, no
> beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>
> My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
> provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
> no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
> sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
> heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>
> We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try and
> recover some data
>
> Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it in
> another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
> machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
> on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>
> * Problem
> is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
> seen in the Bios.
>
> I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
> guess usually one has to format it to be seen
> but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
> doesnt find it
>
> Is there a solution?
> Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
> read it via a USB connection as an external.
>
> Thanks for any help
> F



Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by franko

franko
Sat Aug 16 12:56:41 PDT 2008

On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions then you
> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk management
> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can "explore" from
> there or allocate a drive letter.
> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>
> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps there
> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum, no
> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>
> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>
> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try and
> > recover some data
>
> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it in
> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>
> > * Problem
> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
> > seen in the Bios.
>
> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
> > doesnt find it
>
> > Is there a solution?
> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>
> > Thanks for any help
> > F

Thanks Neil.
I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
either.
It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
does find both

Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by neil

neil
Sat Aug 16 14:23:38 PDT 2008

Hi,
There is a possibility the drive was also damaged during the thunderstorm.
Have you checked the original drive doesn't need to be set as "master with
slave connected".?
You could try to connect the old drive as your master drive and it should
start in "safemode" although it probably won't start in normal mode, but it
should prove if the drive is still accessible.
When you checked in device manager did it show both drives.?
I have to ask again, when you set the master & slave links are they set as
master on the original drive and slave on the second drive.?
Neil
"franko" <knarfi.sorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions then
>> you
>> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
>> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
>> management
>> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can "explore"
>> from
>> there or allocate a drive letter.
>> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
>> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
>> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>>
>> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
>> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps there
>> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
>> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum, no
>> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>>
>> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
>> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
>> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
>> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
>> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>>
>> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try and
>> > recover some data
>>
>> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it in
>> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
>> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
>> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>>
>> > * Problem
>> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
>> > seen in the Bios.
>>
>> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
>> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
>> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
>> > doesnt find it
>>
>> > Is there a solution?
>> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
>> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>>
>> > Thanks for any help
>> > F
>
> Thanks Neil.
> I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
> either.
> It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
> The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
> were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
> does find both



Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by JS

JS
Sat Aug 16 14:24:49 PDT 2008

Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
And if so by who?

JS

"franko" <knarfi.sorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions then
>> you
>> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
>> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
>> management
>> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can "explore"
>> from
>> there or allocate a drive letter.
>> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
>> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
>> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>>
>> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
>> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps there
>> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
>> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum, no
>> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>>
>> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
>> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
>> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
>> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
>> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>>
>> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try and
>> > recover some data
>>
>> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it in
>> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
>> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
>> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>>
>> > * Problem
>> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
>> > seen in the Bios.
>>
>> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
>> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
>> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
>> > doesnt find it
>>
>> > Is there a solution?
>> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
>> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>>
>> > Thanks for any help
>> > F
>
> Thanks Neil.
> I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
> either.
> It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
> The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
> were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
> does find both



Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by frankg

frankg
Sat Aug 16 21:19:53 PDT 2008

On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
> And if so by who?
>
> JS
>
> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions then
> >> you
> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
> >> management
> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can "explore"
> >> from
> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>
> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps there
> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum, no
> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>
> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>
> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try and
> >> > recover some data
>
> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it in
> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>
> >> > * Problem
> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
> >> > seen in the Bios.
>
> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
> >> > doesnt find it
>
> >> > Is there a solution?
> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>
> >> > Thanks for any help
> >> > F
>
> > Thanks Neil.
> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
> > either.
> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
> > does find both

No the master is Samsung and the slave is Seagate

Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by franko

franko
Sat Aug 16 21:28:20 PDT 2008

Yes the drive may well be toast.
I'm not sure of which pin the jumper must be placed on for each but by
trial and error the configuration i have now is the only one that
'works' and the master and slave are seen as such in the Bios On Aug
16, 5:23 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> There is a possibility the drive was also damaged during the thunderstorm.
> Have you checked the original drive doesn't need to be set as "master with
> slave connected".?
> You could try to connect the old drive as your master drive and it should
> start in "safemode" although it probably won't start in normal mode, but it
> should prove if the drive is still accessible.
> When you checked in device manager did it show both drives.?
> I have to ask again, when you set the master & slave links are they set as
> master on the original drive and slave on the second drive.?
> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions then
> >> you
> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
> >> management
> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can "explore"
> >> from
> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>
> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps there
> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum, no
> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>
> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>
> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try and
> >> > recover some data
>
> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it in
> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>
> >> > * Problem
> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
> >> > seen in the Bios.
>
> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
> >> > doesnt find it
>
> >> > Is there a solution?
> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>
> >> > Thanks for any help
> >> > F
>
> > Thanks Neil.
> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
> > either.
> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
> > does find both

Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by JS

JS
Sat Aug 16 21:40:58 PDT 2008

With different drive manufactures the typical jumper settings for a Master
with Slave may not work.
You may need to try several jumper combinations
Example: Set the Samsung jumper to Master and the Seagate jumper to Cable
Select (CS).
If the above combination does not work check each drive's possible jumper
configurations and
try a couple of configuration such as both drives set to "Cable Select" or
other combos.

JS

"frankg" <frankgross@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bb1a3002-c3ee-4873-ad26-76ca22b6e946@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
>> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
>> And if so by who?
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions
>> >> then
>> >> you
>> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
>> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
>> >> management
>> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can
>> >> "explore"
>> >> from
>> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
>> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
>> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
>> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>>
>> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
>> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps
>> >> > there
>> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
>> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum,
>> >> > no
>> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>>
>> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
>> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
>> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
>> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
>> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>>
>> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try
>> >> > and
>> >> > recover some data
>>
>> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it
>> >> > in
>> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
>> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
>> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>>
>> >> > * Problem
>> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
>> >> > seen in the Bios.
>>
>> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
>> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
>> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
>> >> > doesnt find it
>>
>> >> > Is there a solution?
>> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
>> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>>
>> >> > Thanks for any help
>> >> > F
>>
>> > Thanks Neil.
>> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
>> > either.
>> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
>> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
>> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
>> > does find both
>
> No the master is Samsung and the slave is Seagate



Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by Bob

Bob
Sun Aug 17 00:48:43 PDT 2008

"JS" <@> wrote in message news:%23K2m3NCAJHA.524@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> With different drive manufactures the typical jumper settings for a
> Master with Slave may not work.
> You may need to try several jumper combinations
> Example: Set the Samsung jumper to Master and the Seagate jumper to
> Cable Select (CS).
> If the above combination does not work check each drive's possible
> jumper configurations and
> try a couple of configuration such as both drives set to "Cable
> Select" or other combos.
>
> JS
>
> "frankg" <frankgross@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bb1a3002-c3ee-4873-ad26-76ca22b6e946@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
>>> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
>>> And if so by who?
>>>
>>> JS
>>>
>>> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right
>>> >> positions then
>>> >> you
>>> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click
>>> >> "my
>>> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
>>> >> management
>>> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can
>>> >> "explore"
>>> >> from
>>> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
>>> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are
>>> >> you
>>> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon
>>> >> or the
>>> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>>>
>>> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what
>>> >> > happened
>>> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps
>>> >> > there
>>> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't
>>> >> > handle - not
>>> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no
>>> >> > hum, no
>>> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>>>
>>> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
>>> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no
>>> >> > booting,
>>> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the
>>> >> > memory
>>> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>>>
>>> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to
>>> >> > try and
>>> >> > recover some data
>>>
>>> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed
>>> >> > it in
>>> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a
>>> >> > little
>>> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>>>
>>> >> > * Problem
>>> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it
>>> >> > IS
>>> >> > seen in the Bios.
>>>
>>> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device
>>> >> > manager). I
>>> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
>>> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2)
>>> >> > windows
>>> >> > doesnt find it
>>>
>>> >> > Is there a solution?
>>> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>>>
>>> >> > Thanks for any help
>>> >> > F
>>>
>>> > Thanks Neil.
>>> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
>>> > either.
>>> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
>>> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when
>>> > they
>>> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now
>>> > it
>>> > does find both
>>
>> No the master is Samsung and the slave is Seagate
>
>


Another possibility is to connect the old drive to a USB port, using a
HDD "caddy". That way, you can boot the computer normally, without
changing any settings on the primary drive.

When you insert the old drive in the caddy, follow the manufacturer's
instructions. You will probably need to set the jumpers to Cable Select
(or CS).

If the computer does not recognize the old drive (or cannot read any
data from the drive) when it is connected via a USB caddy, then it may
be "fried".


Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by neil

neil
Sun Aug 17 04:42:22 PDT 2008

Try here for Samsung link settings
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/userguide/Support_Setting.html
Try here for Seagate link settings
http://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/u5_family_1.gif

see if this helps
Neil
"frankg" <frankgross@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bb1a3002-c3ee-4873-ad26-76ca22b6e946@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
>> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
>> And if so by who?
>>
>> JS
>>
>> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions
>> >> then
>> >> you
>> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
>> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
>> >> management
>> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can
>> >> "explore"
>> >> from
>> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
>> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
>> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
>> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>>
>> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
>> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps
>> >> > there
>> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
>> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum,
>> >> > no
>> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>>
>> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
>> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
>> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
>> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
>> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>>
>> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try
>> >> > and
>> >> > recover some data
>>
>> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it
>> >> > in
>> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
>> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
>> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>>
>> >> > * Problem
>> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
>> >> > seen in the Bios.
>>
>> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
>> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
>> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
>> >> > doesnt find it
>>
>> >> > Is there a solution?
>> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
>> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>>
>> >> > Thanks for any help
>> >> > F
>>
>> > Thanks Neil.
>> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
>> > either.
>> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
>> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
>> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
>> > does find both
>
> No the master is Samsung and the slave is Seagate



Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by franko

franko
Sun Aug 17 07:25:25 PDT 2008

On Aug 17, 7:42 am, "neil" <neilp67_@_hotmail.com> wrote:
> Try here for Samsung link settingshttp://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/userguide/Support_...
> Try here for Seagate link settingshttp://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/u5_family_1.gif
>
> see if this helps
> Neil"frankg" <frankgr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bb1a3002-c3ee-4873-ad26-76ca22b6e946@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
> >> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
> >> And if so by who?
>
> >> JS
>
> >> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions
> >> >> then
> >> >> you
> >> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
> >> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
> >> >> management
> >> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can
> >> >> "explore"
> >> >> from
> >> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
> >> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
> >> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or the
> >> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>
> >> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what happened
> >> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps
> >> >> > there
> >> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle - not
> >> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no hum,
> >> >> > no
> >> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>
> >> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
> >> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no booting,
> >> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
> >> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed the
> >> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>
> >> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to try
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > recover some data
>
> >> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed it
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get the
> >> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a little
> >> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>
> >> >> > * Problem
> >> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it IS
> >> >> > seen in the Bios.
>
> >> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager). I
> >> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
> >> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2) windows
> >> >> > doesnt find it
>
> >> >> > Is there a solution?
> >> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying to
> >> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>
> >> >> > Thanks for any help
> >> >> > F
>
> >> > Thanks Neil.
> >> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
> >> > either.
> >> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
> >> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
> >> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
> >> > does find both
>
> > No the master is Samsung and the slave is Seagate

Re the caddy - that is one of the points I was asking about in my
original post - "is it a viable idea to try"

and thank you for the links to the jumper positions.

I will need some time to work with all this info

Thanks again
F

Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by Bob

Bob
Sun Aug 17 07:37:34 PDT 2008

"franko" <knarfi.sorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f212e88f-8693-414c-8a51-0a5dbf92bf28@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 17, 7:42 am, "neil" <neilp67_@_hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Try here for Samsung link
>> settingshttp://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/userguide/Support_...
>> Try here for Seagate link
>> settingshttp://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/u5_family_1.gif
>>
>> see if this helps
>> Neil"frankg" <frankgr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:bb1a3002-c3ee-4873-ad26-76ca22b6e946@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
>> >> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
>> >> And if so by who?
>>
>> >> JS
>>
>> >> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right
>> >> >> positions
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click
>> >> >> "my
>> >> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select
>> >> >> disk
>> >> >> management
>> >> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can
>> >> >> "explore"
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
>> >> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon
>> >> >> or the
>> >> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as
>> >> >> slave.
>>
>> >> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what
>> >> >> > happened
>> >> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and
>> >> >> > perhaps
>> >> >> > there
>> >> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't
>> >> >> > handle - not
>> >> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan,
>> >> >> > no hum,
>> >> >> > no
>> >> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>>
>> >> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one
>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no
>> >> >> > booting,
>> >> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the
>> >> >> > memory
>> >> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card.
>> >> >> > Nothing.Removed the
>> >> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>>
>> >> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted
>> >> >> > to try
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > recover some data
>>
>> >> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and
>> >> >> > installed it
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to
>> >> >> > get the
>> >> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to
>> >> >> > Windows.
>>
>> >> >> > * Problem
>> >> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although
>> >> >> > it IS
>> >> >> > seen in the Bios.
>>
>> >> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device
>> >> >> > manager). I
>> >> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
>> >> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2)
>> >> >> > windows
>> >> >> > doesnt find it
>>
>> >> >> > Is there a solution?
>> >> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and
>> >> >> > trying to
>> >> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>>
>> >> >> > Thanks for any help
>> >> >> > F
>>
>> >> > Thanks Neil.
>> >> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
>> >> > either.
>> >> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
>> >> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when
>> >> > they
>> >> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and
>> >> > now it
>> >> > does find both
>>
>> > No the master is Samsung and the slave is Seagate
>
> Re the caddy - that is one of the points I was asking about in my
> original post - "is it a viable idea to try"
>
> and thank you for the links to the jumper positions.
>
> I will need some time to work with all this info
>
> Thanks again
> F


A caddy is the easiest way to access files on an external HDD. You
don't need to remove the case from your computer - and you don't need to
change any of the settings on your computer.

You merely insert the drive in the caddy. Normally, set the jumpers to
Cable Select or CS - but you should follow any manufacturer's
instructions in this respect.

Then, plug the caddy into a spare USB port on your computer. Provided
the drive is OK, it should be visible in "My Computer" and you should be
able to access files and folders.


Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by neil

neil
Sun Aug 17 09:00:58 PDT 2008

Using a caddy is a good option so long as the drive is OK, I don't think you
are sure it is yet...? Otherwise you will buy the caddy only to find the
drive doesn't work. If it is OK then after the files are recovered you can
format the drive in windows and use it to either transfer files or perhaps a
backup.
Another option to try to establish if the drive is working would be to try
booting using a floppy disk, connect only the suspect drive and boot using
the floppy.
You can create it from windows if you have a floppy disk drive. (if not then
this advice is useless)
Once the floppy has booted you will have a dos prompt:
i.e. A:\>
type C:\ (press return)
type dir (press return)
a list of files and folders should be listed, if so then the drive is
working. If there is an error message and the files/folders are not listed
then the drive isn't working.
Neil
"franko" <knarfi.sorg@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f212e88f-8693-414c-8a51-0a5dbf92bf28@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 17, 7:42 am, "neil" <neilp67_@_hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Try here for Samsung link
>> settingshttp://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/userguide/Support_...
>> Try here for Seagate link
>> settingshttp://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/u5_family_1.gif
>>
>> see if this helps
>> Neil"frankg" <frankgr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:bb1a3002-c3ee-4873-ad26-76ca22b6e946@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
>> >> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
>> >> And if so by who?
>>
>> >> JS
>>
>> >> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions
>> >> >> then
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
>> >> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
>> >> >> management
>> >> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can
>> >> >> "explore"
>> >> >> from
>> >> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
>> >> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
>> >> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>>
>> >> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what
>> >> >> > happened
>> >> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps
>> >> >> > there
>> >> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle -
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no
>> >> >> > hum,
>> >> >> > no
>> >> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>>
>> >> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
>> >> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no
>> >> >> > booting,
>> >> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
>> >> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>>
>> >> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to
>> >> >> > try
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > recover some data
>>
>> >> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>>
>> >> >> > * Problem
>> >> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it
>> >> >> > IS
>> >> >> > seen in the Bios.
>>
>> >> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager).
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
>> >> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2)
>> >> >> > windows
>> >> >> > doesnt find it
>>
>> >> >> > Is there a solution?
>> >> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>>
>> >> >> > Thanks for any help
>> >> >> > F
>>
>> >> > Thanks Neil.
>> >> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
>> >> > either.
>> >> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
>> >> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) when they
>> >> > were in other positions the Bios couldnt see them as such and now it
>> >> > does find both
>>
>> > No the master is Samsung and the slave is Seagate
>
> Re the caddy - that is one of the points I was asking about in my
> original post - "is it a viable idea to try"
>
> and thank you for the links to the jumper positions.
>
> I will need some time to work with all this info
>
> Thanks again
> F



Re: XP cant see 2nd drive by frankg

frankg
Mon Aug 18 05:07:21 PDT 2008

On Aug 17, 12:00 pm, "neil" <neilp67_@_hotmail.com> wrote:
> Using a caddy is a good option so long as the drive is OK, I don't think you
> are sure it is yet...? Otherwise you will buy the caddy only to find the
> drive doesn't work. If it is OK then after the files are recovered you can
> format the drive in windows and use it to either transfer files or perhaps a
> backup.
> Another option to try to establish if the drive is working would be to try
> booting using a floppy disk, connect only the suspect drive and boot using
> the floppy.
> You can create it from windows if you have a floppy disk drive. (if not then
> this advice is useless)
> Once the floppy has booted you will have a dos prompt:
> i.e. A:\>
> type C:\ (press return)
> type dir (press return)
> a list of files and folders should be listed, if so then the drive is
> working. If there is an error message and the files/folders are not listed
> then the drive isn't working.
> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f212e88f-8693-414c-8a51-0a5dbf92bf28@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Aug 17, 7:42 am, "neil" <neilp67_@_hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Try here for Samsung link
> >> settingshttp://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/support/userguide/Support_...
> >> Try here for Seagate link
> >> settingshttp://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/u5_family_1.gif
>
> >> see if this helps
> >> Neil"frankg" <frankgr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:bb1a3002-c3ee-4873-ad26-76ca22b6e946@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Aug 16, 5:24 pm, "JS" <@> wrote:
> >> >> Are both drives (master and slave) made by the same manufacturer?
> >> >> And if so by who?
>
> >> >> JS
>
> >> >> "franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:73b8e1a0-4b76-4a8d-a8f6-ff93e35fdd6e@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > On Aug 16, 2:51 pm, "neil" <n...@some.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> >> Assuming you have set the master/slave links in the right positions
> >> >> >> then
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> need to look at the drive using "disk managements". Right click "my
> >> >> >> computer" and select "manage", In the left hand pane select disk
> >> >> >> management
> >> >> >> and see if the old drive is seen there. If it is then you can
> >> >> >> "explore"
> >> >> >> from
> >> >> >> there or allocate a drive letter.
> >> >> >> If not then check the master/slave link again. What ribbon are you
> >> >> >> connecting to, IDE0 or IDE1in other words the hard drive ribbon or
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> CD/DVD ribbon. You would normally set the second drive as slave.
>
> >> >> >> Neil"franko" <knarfi.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >> >>news:62dde939-cb97-4f35-b35c-d26c5465e2c9@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> >> > My daughters old Dell 8200 desktop quit - we dont know what
> >> >> >> > happened
> >> >> >> > but we suspect she left it on during a thunderstorm and perhaps
> >> >> >> > there
> >> >> >> > was a tremendous jolt that the surge protector couldn't handle -
> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> > sure though. The original symptom was 'it's dead' - no fan, no
> >> >> >> > hum,
> >> >> >> > no
> >> >> >> > beep, no led, no boot to bios, nothing at all...dead.
>
> >> >> >> > My suspicion was the psuu so i connected a known good one which
> >> >> >> > provided power to the mb (fan worked but still no beeps, no
> >> >> >> > booting,
> >> >> >> > no anything). So then I reseated all the cards and all the memory
> >> >> >> > sticks. Nothing. I exchanged the display card. Nothing.Removed
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > heatsink and reseated the cpu . Nothing.
>
> >> >> >> > We accepted that the computer is probabbly toast but wanted to
> >> >> >> > try
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > recover some data
>
> >> >> >> > Then I took the hard drive (an old 40gb ATA) out and installed
> >> >> >> > it
> >> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> > another computer as a second (slave) drive. It was tough to get
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > machine to boot but I moved the master/slave jumpers around a
> >> >> >> > little
> >> >> >> > on both hd 's and eventually got past the bios etc to Windows.
>
> >> >> >> > * Problem
> >> >> >> > is that this 2nd hard drive isnt seen by windows XP although it
> >> >> >> > IS
> >> >> >> > seen in the Bios.
>
> >> >> >> > I've tried via My Computer , Windows Explorer , device manager).
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > guess usually one has to format it to be seen
> >> >> >> > but of course I cant do that if 1.) i want the data and 2)
> >> >> >> > windows
> >> >> >> > doesnt find it
>
> >> >> >> > Is there a solution?
> >> >> >> > Alternatively I thought of maybe buying an enclosure and trying
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> > read it via a USB connection as an external.
>
> >> >> >> > Thanks for any help
> >> >> >> > F
>
> >> >> > Thanks Neil.
> >> >> > I did try to find it in Disk management but it is not seen there
> >> >> > either.
> >> >> > It is connected on the same ribbon cable - it is daisy chained.
> >> >> > The master/slave jumper pin settings must be ok because 1) wh