Hi,

I've had some problems with my SBS2003 server that the nice folks on
this group and Microsoft have helped me solve... but it seems that now
the exchange portion of the server is ok, but that things are still
amiss from how I want the server to work.

I need to ensure that all SMTP mail from the server is sent out to our
3rd party mail server (eg, mail.somedomain.com). I've set the SMTP
connector to forward email to mail.somedomain.com, but if I set the
users accounts email addresses to joe@somedomain.com, then the SBS
server puts the email into that users SBS inbox, rather than forwarding
it on.

I tried using a made-up domain of somedomain.local, but when I do that,
then the Global Address Book lists that user as somedomain.local, and
the outlook clients still use that address, and the email still goes to
the inbox.

The complication is that not all users of the domain use the SBS server,
choosing to download mail themselves from mail.somedomain.com If the
email is stored in the SBS server, then those users never see it.

My current solution, is that for each user who doesn't use the SBS
server, I change their account to use @somedomain.local, and then hide
them from the GAB, this way client machines can't see the .local
address, and the server forwards the email on.

What I really need is a way to force ALL email on, even if theres a
local account with a matching SMTP address.


Any idea?

Adrian

Re: SBS and external mail server by Les

Les
Sat Apr 08 06:59:35 PDT 2006

Hi Adrian,

Do you have a registered FQDN, so you can set your exchange up to host email
for that domain? If so, then you can easily forward mail from your server to
mailboxes hosted at another domain. If you're trying to share the email
namespace with another server, then that requires a different tack.

Do you own somedomain.com? Do you host email for somedomain.com, or is it
hosted externally?

--
Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !
----------------------
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll
understand." - Confucius


"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <news@_removeme_adrianmarsh.me.uk> wrote in message
news:4437BC65.90309@_removeme_adrianmarsh.me.uk...
> Hi,
>
> I've had some problems with my SBS2003 server that the nice folks on
> this group and Microsoft have helped me solve... but it seems that now
> the exchange portion of the server is ok, but that things are still
> amiss from how I want the server to work.
>
> I need to ensure that all SMTP mail from the server is sent out to our
> 3rd party mail server (eg, mail.somedomain.com). I've set the SMTP
> connector to forward email to mail.somedomain.com, but if I set the
> users accounts email addresses to joe@somedomain.com, then the SBS
> server puts the email into that users SBS inbox, rather than forwarding
> it on.
>
> I tried using a made-up domain of somedomain.local, but when I do that,
> then the Global Address Book lists that user as somedomain.local, and
> the outlook clients still use that address, and the email still goes to
> the inbox.
>
> The complication is that not all users of the domain use the SBS server,
> choosing to download mail themselves from mail.somedomain.com If the
> email is stored in the SBS server, then those users never see it.
>
> My current solution, is that for each user who doesn't use the SBS
> server, I change their account to use @somedomain.local, and then hide
> them from the GAB, this way client machines can't see the .local
> address, and the server forwards the email on.
>
> What I really need is a way to force ALL email on, even if theres a
> local account with a matching SMTP address.
>
>
> Any idea?
>
> Adrian



Re: SBS and external mail server by Adrian

Adrian
Sat Apr 08 10:17:23 PDT 2006

Incoming email is hosted externally by the ISP (for now), where the
users download the email from, but when they do that I want the clients
to store it on the SBS server, rather than a non-backed-up client pst
file. I want to forward the email for that domain out (which I think
I've setup), but it wants to keep locally the email destined for those
users where I've set their email address for them.

eg, sample scenario that I want:

1) Email arrives at mail.somedomain.com
2) Bob logs in, opens outlook.
- Outlook downloads email from mail.somedomain.com for his account
- Outlook stores the downloaded email on the SBS server

3) Bob sends email to joe@somedomain.com via the SBS server, using the
Global Address Book to lookup joes email address
4) Outlook sends email to SBS server
5) SBS server sends it to mail.somedomain.com
6) Joe picks up the email from mail.somedomain.com


What happens at the moment is more like:

3) Bob sends email to joe@somedomain.com via the SBS server. GAB gives
joe@somedomain.com as the email address for Joe
4) Outlook sends email to SBS server
5) Instead of sending to mail.somedomain.com, instead, it stores it in
joes Inbox

Normally this wouldn't be a problem (and would be preferred), but
because Joe doesn't use the SBS server, that mail "disappears" from his
perspective.

I'm trying to re-educate the users that we should switch everyone over
to using the SBS 100%, then I'll get the MX records updated for the
domain, but in the meantime my idea was to have *all* mail forwarded out
(even if the clients then download it from mail.somedomain.com, again
back to the same SBS server for storage...)


thanks.


Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Do you have a registered FQDN, so you can set your exchange up to host email
> for that domain? If so, then you can easily forward mail from your server to
> mailboxes hosted at another domain. If you're trying to share the email
> namespace with another server, then that requires a different tack.
>
> Do you own somedomain.com? Do you host email for somedomain.com, or is it
> hosted externally?
>

Re: SBS and external mail server by Les

Les
Sat Apr 08 12:47:02 PDT 2006

Hi Adrian,

So, you're sharing the name space, then. If Joe never logs onto the SBS;
doesn't need a user account - then his mailbox is at the ISP. Because the
ISP's mail server is authoratative for the domain, your exchange can't be -
hence the sharing.

It is possible to share the namespace in such a way by removing Joe's
mailbox from the SBS, and telling Exchange to forward all mail witn
unresolved addresses to the ISP, where Joe's mailbox is. You can search the
MS KB for sharing email name space.

But honestly, you are making this way too hard. Wouldn't it just be simpler
for Joe to pick his email up from Exchange instead of the ISP? He won't know
the difference - it's exactly the same mechanism, just a different server.
Further, the users don't need to pick up *any* mail from the ISP via
Outlook, and then store it in Exchange. That's backwards. Exchange should
pick the email from the ISP, and store it in the users mailboxes. The users
then use Outlook to connect to their Exchange mailbox for email (and much
more). Further, even - email becomes more accessible as you now have
multiple ways for users to connect to their mailboxes - Outlook on the lan,
web browser (OWA) from any internet connected computer, Outlook over the Web
(RPC/HTTP), POP, IMAP.

It's a trivial task to run the CEICW and configure the Exchange pop3
connector to bring all the ISP hosted mail into Exchange, 24x7, and have the
users connect to Exchange. At the same time, get your DNS records in order
so you can host the email yourself, and in a matter of a day or two you
won't need the pop3 connector any more.

--
Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !
----------------------
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll
understand." - Confucius


"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <news@_removeme_adrianmarsh.me.uk> wrote in message
news:4437F023.4070909@_removeme_adrianmarsh.me.uk...
> Incoming email is hosted externally by the ISP (for now), where the
> users download the email from, but when they do that I want the clients
> to store it on the SBS server, rather than a non-backed-up client pst
> file. I want to forward the email for that domain out (which I think
> I've setup), but it wants to keep locally the email destined for those
> users where I've set their email address for them.
>
> eg, sample scenario that I want:
>
> 1) Email arrives at mail.somedomain.com
> 2) Bob logs in, opens outlook.
> - Outlook downloads email from mail.somedomain.com for his account
> - Outlook stores the downloaded email on the SBS server
>
> 3) Bob sends email to joe@somedomain.com via the SBS server, using the
> Global Address Book to lookup joes email address
> 4) Outlook sends email to SBS server
> 5) SBS server sends it to mail.somedomain.com
> 6) Joe picks up the email from mail.somedomain.com
>
>
> What happens at the moment is more like:
>
> 3) Bob sends email to joe@somedomain.com via the SBS server. GAB gives
> joe@somedomain.com as the email address for Joe
> 4) Outlook sends email to SBS server
> 5) Instead of sending to mail.somedomain.com, instead, it stores it in
> joes Inbox
>
> Normally this wouldn't be a problem (and would be preferred), but
> because Joe doesn't use the SBS server, that mail "disappears" from his
> perspective.
>
> I'm trying to re-educate the users that we should switch everyone over
> to using the SBS 100%, then I'll get the MX records updated for the
> domain, but in the meantime my idea was to have *all* mail forwarded out
> (even if the clients then download it from mail.somedomain.com, again
> back to the same SBS server for storage...)
>
>
> thanks.
>
>
> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] wrote:
>> Hi Adrian,
>>
>> Do you have a registered FQDN, so you can set your exchange up to host
>> email
>> for that domain? If so, then you can easily forward mail from your server
>> to
>> mailboxes hosted at another domain. If you're trying to share the email
>> namespace with another server, then that requires a different tack.
>>
>> Do you own somedomain.com? Do you host email for somedomain.com, or is it
>> hosted externally?
>>



Re: SBS and external mail server by Adrian

Adrian
Sun Apr 09 02:47:34 PDT 2006

Hi Les,

You won't find me disagreeing!!

Unfortunately, this is a small company with no local IT support on site,
and they want to access their email when not in the office from mobiles
etc over POP3, but they don't want to open up their main server to the
net. Thats where I'm trying to re-educate..

User accounts are still needed for the NT domain.

Sounds like the MS KB is the most likely solution, I'll go search and
come back if I can't find anything.

Would deleting the users mailbox force SBS to send the email on
externally, even if the account has a matching SMTP/Email address?

My current solution is to change those specific users email address
account to @somewhere.local, and then hide those users from the GAB.

Adrian

Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] wrote:
> Hi Adrian,
>
> So, you're sharing the name space, then. If Joe never logs onto the SBS;
> doesn't need a user account - then his mailbox is at the ISP. Because the
> ISP's mail server is authoratative for the domain, your exchange can't be -
> hence the sharing.
>
> It is possible to share the namespace in such a way by removing Joe's
> mailbox from the SBS, and telling Exchange to forward all mail witn
> unresolved addresses to the ISP, where Joe's mailbox is. You can search the
> MS KB for sharing email name space.
>
> But honestly, you are making this way too hard. Wouldn't it just be simpler
> for Joe to pick his email up from Exchange instead of the ISP? He won't know
> the difference - it's exactly the same mechanism, just a different server.
> Further, the users don't need to pick up *any* mail from the ISP via
> Outlook, and then store it in Exchange. That's backwards. Exchange should
> pick the email from the ISP, and store it in the users mailboxes. The users
> then use Outlook to connect to their Exchange mailbox for email (and much
> more). Further, even - email becomes more accessible as you now have
> multiple ways for users to connect to their mailboxes - Outlook on the lan,
> web browser (OWA) from any internet connected computer, Outlook over the Web
> (RPC/HTTP), POP, IMAP.
>
> It's a trivial task to run the CEICW and configure the Exchange pop3
> connector to bring all the ISP hosted mail into Exchange, 24x7, and have the
> users connect to Exchange. At the same time, get your DNS records in order
> so you can host the email yourself, and in a matter of a day or two you
> won't need the pop3 connector any more.
>

Re: SBS and external mail server by Les

Les
Sun Apr 09 07:30:40 PDT 2006

http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?qu=share+smtp+name+space+exchange+2003

It's going to be an issue no matter what you do with the email addresses on
the box, exchange doesn't need to use the .com email address to find a match
and deliver the message locally.

The bottom line is that they're just not using their resources as they're
designed to be used, so you are being forced to find a work around to
something that would normally work properly and with low administration
cost.

They may as well turn off exchange and use external mail hosting
exclusively - it's hard to be half-in half-out.

--
Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
SBS Rocks !
----------------------
"Tell me and I'll forget. Show me and I'll remember. Involve me and I'll
understand." - Confucius


"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <news@_removeme_adrianmarsh.me.uk> wrote in message
news:4438D836.9040501@_removeme_adrianmarsh.me.uk...
> Hi Les,
>
> You won't find me disagreeing!!
>
> Unfortunately, this is a small company with no local IT support on site,
> and they want to access their email when not in the office from mobiles
> etc over POP3, but they don't want to open up their main server to the
> net. Thats where I'm trying to re-educate..
>
> User accounts are still needed for the NT domain.
>
> Sounds like the MS KB is the most likely solution, I'll go search and
> come back if I can't find anything.
>
> Would deleting the users mailbox force SBS to send the email on
> externally, even if the account has a matching SMTP/Email address?
>
> My current solution is to change those specific users email address
> account to @somewhere.local, and then hide those users from the GAB.
>
> Adrian
>
> Les Connor [SBS Community Member - SBS MVP] wrote:
>> Hi Adrian,
>>
>> So, you're sharing the name space, then. If Joe never logs onto the SBS;
>> doesn't need a user account - then his mailbox is at the ISP. Because the
>> ISP's mail server is authoratative for the domain, your exchange can't
>> be -
>> hence the sharing.
>>
>> It is possible to share the namespace in such a way by removing Joe's
>> mailbox from the SBS, and telling Exchange to forward all mail witn
>> unresolved addresses to the ISP, where Joe's mailbox is. You can search
>> the
>> MS KB for sharing email name space.
>>
>> But honestly, you are making this way too hard. Wouldn't it just be
>> simpler
>> for Joe to pick his email up from Exchange instead of the ISP? He won't
>> know
>> the difference - it's exactly the same mechanism, just a different
>> server.
>> Further, the users don't need to pick up *any* mail from the ISP via
>> Outlook, and then store it in Exchange. That's backwards. Exchange should
>> pick the email from the ISP, and store it in the users mailboxes. The
>> users
>> then use Outlook to connect to their Exchange mailbox for email (and much
>> more). Further, even - email becomes more accessible as you now have
>> multiple ways for users to connect to their mailboxes - Outlook on the
>> lan,
>> web browser (OWA) from any internet connected computer, Outlook over the
>> Web
>> (RPC/HTTP), POP, IMAP.
>>
>> It's a trivial task to run the CEICW and configure the Exchange pop3
>> connector to bring all the ISP hosted mail into Exchange, 24x7, and have
>> the
>> users connect to Exchange. At the same time, get your DNS records in
>> order
>> so you can host the email yourself, and in a matter of a day or two you
>> won't need the pop3 connector any more.
>>