Hi,

All I get is the login screen, enter my credentials and then next page just
says "loading..."

Regards

Kim

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by kj

kj
Thu May 08 13:20:56 PDT 2008

MijakiDK wrote:
> Hi,
>
> All I get is the login screen, enter my credentials and then next
> page just says "loading..."
>
> Regards
>
> Kim

...needs the activeX plugin, so no, I don't think any PDAs do that
currently.

--
/kj



Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by William

William
Thu May 08 13:27:05 PDT 2008

On 8 May, 21:20, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote:
> MijakiDK wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > All I get is the login screen, enter my credentials and then next
> > page just says "loading..."
>
> > Regards
>
> > Kim
>
> ...needs the activeX plugin, so no, I don't think any PDAs do that
> currently.

LogMeIn works fine on WM6, though:
http://www.logmein.com/

--
WH

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by MijakiDK

MijakiDK
Thu May 08 14:13:02 PDT 2008

Thanks, but that is not RWW

"William" wrote:

> On 8 May, 21:20, "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ....@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote:
> > MijakiDK wrote:
> > > Hi,
> >
> > > All I get is the login screen, enter my credentials and then next
> > > page just says "loading..."
> >
> > > Regards
> >
> > > Kim
> >
> > ...needs the activeX plugin, so no, I don't think any PDAs do that
> > currently.
>
> LogMeIn works fine on WM6, though:
> http://www.logmein.com/
>
> --
> WH
>

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by William

William
Thu May 08 14:56:09 PDT 2008

On 8 May, 22:13, MijakiDK <Mijak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Thanks, but that is not RWW

True. But what can RWW do that LogMeIn cannot do?

--
WH

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by Jelly26

Jelly26
Thu May 08 22:14:00 PDT 2008

Logme lets others to see your screen, while RWW keeps the things ssseecret...
you know what I mean :)

"William" wrote:

> On 8 May, 22:13, MijakiDK <Mijak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, but that is not RWW
>
> True. But what can RWW do that LogMeIn cannot do?
>
> --
> WH
>

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Thu May 08 23:21:34 PDT 2008

No, RRW offers Administrator controlled access to PC's. If you allow
LogMeIn(or alternatives) your users may write those details on an envelope
they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone. They may use a simple
password (or none) for this alternate connection method, rather than the
system enforced password strength.

Actually, RWW is a set of web pages and my WM device handles those web pages
fine. It is only the 'Connect to...' functions that do not work. (Something
I consider a minor part of RWW).

"Jelly26" <Jelly26@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4DBD8A8A-9696-427E-BA2F-F9815701BCA6@microsoft.com...
> Logme lets others to see your screen, while RWW keeps the things
> ssseecret...
> you know what I mean :)
>
> "William" wrote:
>
>> On 8 May, 22:13, MijakiDK <Mijak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> > Thanks, but that is not RWW
>>
>> True. But what can RWW do that LogMeIn cannot do?
>>
>> --
>> WH
>>



Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by Gregg

Gregg
Fri May 09 13:10:21 PDT 2008

The statement that "...your users may write those details on an envelope
they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone" is the same for network
passwords, so it is moot. Even if I gave you my LMI login name and password,
it would do you no good, since I have not told you my computer passwords for
the systems listed in LMI. You could not access any system for which you do
not know the password.

LogMeIn offers more security than RWW.

1) You as the administrator set up a LogMeIn (LMI) account. You do so with
any email address you choose and a password totally unrelated to your
network password. You install LMI on the computers you choose.
2) You add secondary users as needed or desired, then send them an
invitation to open their own LMI account using their personal email account
(not corporate account) with a password not the same as their network
password. You could even set up those accounts yourself...all you need is
their personal email address.
3) Blank passwords are not allowed in LMI accounts, and LMI requires that
the computer to which one connects have a password. If the computer's
password is blank, LMI still requires an authentication code to access
remote control.
4) When one wants to connect to a computer using LMI, that person logs into
his/her LMI account and sees ONLY the computers to which you have given
access. They select the computer, then log in using the same credentials
they would if they were sitting at the computer. It has now taken two
different login names and two different login passwords to get into the
computer, and the whole transaction is 256-bit encrypted.
5) If you desire to block a user's access, you merely disable the secondary
user.

LMI Free offers remote control, and one can choose to blank the remote
screen and disable the remote mouse and keyboard if desired. If remote
printing or file transfer is needed, then you start running into additional
costs for LMI Pro or LMI IT Reach, which both allow file transfer and remote
printing with a universal printer driver.

Gregg Hill






"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:Oa9ayzZsIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> No, RRW offers Administrator controlled access to PC's. If you allow
> LogMeIn(or alternatives) your users may write those details on an envelope
> they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone. They may use a simple
> password (or none) for this alternate connection method, rather than the
> system enforced password strength.
>
> Actually, RWW is a set of web pages and my WM device handles those web
> pages fine. It is only the 'Connect to...' functions that do not work.
> (Something I consider a minor part of RWW).
>
> "Jelly26" <Jelly26@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4DBD8A8A-9696-427E-BA2F-F9815701BCA6@microsoft.com...
>> Logme lets others to see your screen, while RWW keeps the things
>> ssseecret...
>> you know what I mean :)
>>
>> "William" wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 May, 22:13, MijakiDK <Mijak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> > Thanks, but that is not RWW
>>>
>>> True. But what can RWW do that LogMeIn cannot do?
>>>
>>> --
>>> WH
>>>
>
>



Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by Les

Les
Fri May 09 15:15:23 PDT 2008

Windows Mobile has the RDP client. Smartphones don't.

--
Les Connor [SBS MVP]
________________________
Get the SBS BPA here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/940439/en-us


"Gregg Hill" <greggmhill at please do not spam me at yahoo dot com> wrote in
message news:%23zy22ChsIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> The statement that "...your users may write those details on an envelope
> they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone" is the same for network
> passwords, so it is moot. Even if I gave you my LMI login name and
> password, it would do you no good, since I have not told you my computer
> passwords for the systems listed in LMI. You could not access any system
> for which you do not know the password.
>
> LogMeIn offers more security than RWW.
>
> 1) You as the administrator set up a LogMeIn (LMI) account. You do so with
> any email address you choose and a password totally unrelated to your
> network password. You install LMI on the computers you choose.
> 2) You add secondary users as needed or desired, then send them an
> invitation to open their own LMI account using their personal email
> account (not corporate account) with a password not the same as their
> network password. You could even set up those accounts yourself...all you
> need is their personal email address.
> 3) Blank passwords are not allowed in LMI accounts, and LMI requires that
> the computer to which one connects have a password. If the computer's
> password is blank, LMI still requires an authentication code to access
> remote control.
> 4) When one wants to connect to a computer using LMI, that person logs
> into his/her LMI account and sees ONLY the computers to which you have
> given access. They select the computer, then log in using the same
> credentials they would if they were sitting at the computer. It has now
> taken two different login names and two different login passwords to get
> into the computer, and the whole transaction is 256-bit encrypted.
> 5) If you desire to block a user's access, you merely disable the
> secondary user.
>
> LMI Free offers remote control, and one can choose to blank the remote
> screen and disable the remote mouse and keyboard if desired. If remote
> printing or file transfer is needed, then you start running into
> additional costs for LMI Pro or LMI IT Reach, which both allow file
> transfer and remote printing with a universal printer driver.
>
> Gregg Hill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:Oa9ayzZsIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> No, RRW offers Administrator controlled access to PC's. If you allow
>> LogMeIn(or alternatives) your users may write those details on an
>> envelope they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone. They may use a
>> simple password (or none) for this alternate connection method, rather
>> than the system enforced password strength.
>>
>> Actually, RWW is a set of web pages and my WM device handles those web
>> pages fine. It is only the 'Connect to...' functions that do not work.
>> (Something I consider a minor part of RWW).
>>
>> "Jelly26" <Jelly26@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4DBD8A8A-9696-427E-BA2F-F9815701BCA6@microsoft.com...
>>> Logme lets others to see your screen, while RWW keeps the things
>>> ssseecret...
>>> you know what I mean :)
>>>
>>> "William" wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 May, 22:13, MijakiDK <Mijak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks, but that is not RWW
>>>>
>>>> True. But what can RWW do that LogMeIn cannot do?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WH
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by SuperGumby

SuperGumby
Fri May 09 16:06:25 PDT 2008

No, it is not a moot point because the password change policy invalidates
that bit of paper after a time.

My domain password change and complexity policies do not apply to LMI (or
similar).

1) is simply additional administration. I don't need it.
2) more additional admin I don't need.
3) You cannot enable RDP for blank passworded users.(client side control)
4) when someone want to log into RWW they use HTTPS at IIS level and RDP
traffic is also encrypted.
5) remove user from 'remote' group.

NO advantage, many disadvantages.

People need to remember 'this user/pass for LMI' 'this user/pass for
network', or are you enforcing sync in some way?
You are simply increasing complexity by using a 3rd party service.

"Gregg Hill" <greggmhill at please do not spam me at yahoo dot com> wrote in
message news:%23zy22ChsIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> The statement that "...your users may write those details on an envelope
> they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone" is the same for network
> passwords, so it is moot. Even if I gave you my LMI login name and
> password, it would do you no good, since I have not told you my computer
> passwords for the systems listed in LMI. You could not access any system
> for which you do not know the password.
>
> LogMeIn offers more security than RWW.
>
> 1) You as the administrator set up a LogMeIn (LMI) account. You do so with
> any email address you choose and a password totally unrelated to your
> network password. You install LMI on the computers you choose.
> 2) You add secondary users as needed or desired, then send them an
> invitation to open their own LMI account using their personal email
> account (not corporate account) with a password not the same as their
> network password. You could even set up those accounts yourself...all you
> need is their personal email address.
> 3) Blank passwords are not allowed in LMI accounts, and LMI requires that
> the computer to which one connects have a password. If the computer's
> password is blank, LMI still requires an authentication code to access
> remote control.
> 4) When one wants to connect to a computer using LMI, that person logs
> into his/her LMI account and sees ONLY the computers to which you have
> given access. They select the computer, then log in using the same
> credentials they would if they were sitting at the computer. It has now
> taken two different login names and two different login passwords to get
> into the computer, and the whole transaction is 256-bit encrypted.
> 5) If you desire to block a user's access, you merely disable the
> secondary user.
>
> LMI Free offers remote control, and one can choose to blank the remote
> screen and disable the remote mouse and keyboard if desired. If remote
> printing or file transfer is needed, then you start running into
> additional costs for LMI Pro or LMI IT Reach, which both allow file
> transfer and remote printing with a universal printer driver.
>
> Gregg Hill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
> news:Oa9ayzZsIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> No, RRW offers Administrator controlled access to PC's. If you allow
>> LogMeIn(or alternatives) your users may write those details on an
>> envelope they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone. They may use a
>> simple password (or none) for this alternate connection method, rather
>> than the system enforced password strength.
>>
>> Actually, RWW is a set of web pages and my WM device handles those web
>> pages fine. It is only the 'Connect to...' functions that do not work.
>> (Something I consider a minor part of RWW).
>>
>> "Jelly26" <Jelly26@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4DBD8A8A-9696-427E-BA2F-F9815701BCA6@microsoft.com...
>>> Logme lets others to see your screen, while RWW keeps the things
>>> ssseecret...
>>> you know what I mean :)
>>>
>>> "William" wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8 May, 22:13, MijakiDK <Mijak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> > Thanks, but that is not RWW
>>>>
>>>> True. But what can RWW do that LogMeIn cannot do?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> WH
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by William

William
Fri May 09 17:10:32 PDT 2008

On 9 May, 06:14, Jelly26 <Jell...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Logme lets others to see your screen, while RWW keeps the things ssseecret...
> you know what I mean :)

Actually LogMeIn has the "blank the screen" option as well. It's in
"Preferences" > "Remote Control settings".

--
WH

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by William

William
Fri May 09 17:13:31 PDT 2008

On 9 May, 07:21, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote:
> No, RRW offers Administrator controlled access to PC's. If you allow
> LogMeIn(or alternatives) your users may write those details on an envelope
> they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone. They may use a simple
> password (or none) for this alternate connection method, rather than the
> system enforced password strength.

Actually, LogMeIn can be set to demand the standard login passwords
(i.e same security as RWW) in addition to the LogMeIn user-id and
password. To that extent, it could be said to be more secure than RWW.

--
WH

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by William

William
Fri May 09 17:35:36 PDT 2008

On 10 May, 00:06, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote:
> No, it is not a moot point because the password change policy invalidates
> that bit of paper after a time.

And at the same time, it would invalidate the LMI login (because it
also uses the NT user-name/pw).

> My domain password change and complexity policies do not apply to LMI (or
> similar).

Yes, they do (see above).

> 1) is simply additional administration. I don't need it.

It's a one time set-up, no further interaction required. You can leave
the LMI user-name/pw unchanged forever, because it only passes the
user to a screen that demands the [current] NT user-name/pw.

> 2) more additional admin I don't need.

Err, didn't we just pass this spot?

> 3) You cannot enable RDP for blank passworded users.(client side control)

True, but that just makes RWW and LMI equal on that point.

> 4) when someone want to log into RWW they use HTTPS at IIS level and RDP
> traffic is also encrypted.

Ditto for LMI.

> 5) remove user from 'remote' group.

Again, RWW and LMI score equal on that point.

> NO advantage, many disadvantages.

Advantage = Two way working, which can be good for support tasks. I
find it convenient to have my users run through what they did to get
"that error", whilst I look over their shoulder from 200 miles away.
Then I can show them how to do it properly, whilst they watch me.

Advantage = Works via PDA (this is where we came in).

Disadvantage = Free version doesn't do printing or file transfer, and
I wouldn't want to pay for those when RWW does them for free.

Disadvantage = Needs to be installed and set-up per required
workstation..

Disadvantage = Admin overhead of additional user-name/pw; but you
can't claim this one, and then criticise it for being LESS secure.

My summary: It doesn't replace RWW, but it does do a couple of things
that RWW can't do. If you need those features, then LMI is another
tool in the bag. If you don't need them, then RWW is ready and
waiting.

If MS could add two-way working and PDA support into RWW, then I
wouldn't need LMI for any of my SBS users. I'd still need it for the
rest of 'em though.

--
WH

Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by Gregg

Gregg
Fri May 09 19:21:46 PDT 2008

The statement to which you replied was "Logme lets others to see your
screen, while RWW keeps the things ssseecret...you know what I mean :)" As a
note to that person, even though that statement is true by default, LMI can
be set to disable local viewing and/or control while in the remote session.



In your reply to the above statement, your concerns (I broke them down)
were:
1) No, RRW offers Administrator controlled access to PC's.
2) If you allow LogMeIn(or alternatives) your users may write those details
on an envelope they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone.
3) They may use a simple password (or none) for this alternate connection
method, rather than the system enforced password strength.

I merely stated that LMI provides:
1) admin-controlled access, also.
2) Moot point: one password into LMI does not give control of remote
computers: you still need the network password...twice the authentication
required. Again, if you log into an LMI account but do not have the password
to the computer you want to control, you are not getting into it the
computer. The point of someone writing it down for LMI vs. writing it down
for their network password IS moot, as there is no difference if they "write
those details on an envelope they throw in the bin" for LMI than if they do
it for the network password, ESPECIALLY if you change the network password
regularly. You could say the same thing for writing down the LMI password,
throwing into the trash, then changing the password later...you are not
getting in except during that pre-password-change window...for LMI or the
network if they wrote down that password and tossed it into the trash.
3) They can use a simple LMI password (but not "none"), but that is moot
again, since the **network password is still required** to access the
computer.

As to your further points:

1) There was no comparison of admin costs made in the Jelly26's statement,
thus it was not discussed. The **capabilities** of each is what was being
debated, not admin or actual costs.
2) Same as #1.
3) You cannot enable blank LMI passwords either, even if the workstation did
have a blank password. LMI requires a password to get into the account, then
the computer requires a password (or security code if the computer does not
have a password).
4) LMI web page is SSL, then the LMI-to-remote system encryption is 256-bit
5) no disagreement there...but they are equally easy to me

Another advantage, especially for a server, is that the LMI connection is a
true "sitting at the console" connection and is NOT a session that would
show up in Terminal Services Manager, which can be an issue. I have had
several different programs not work when they saw the RDP connection, or
worse, one that closed itself with a warning about terminal sessions and
required being there at the computer to restart the application (on an XP
Pro "server" at a money-tight client). Not a problem with LMI installed.

I have also had multiple systems that failed to reboot completely and were
inaccessible to an RDP session, yet LMI was able to log into them and fix
the problem (one example when using LMI IT Reach: server would not complete
bootup, logged into LMI IT Reach, killed hanging service without needing to
log into server which was still on Applying... screen, server finished
booting, fixed problem with service). RDP starts MUCH later than LMI, and
has no remote management ability prior to logon, as does IT Reach.

You also stated that "My domain password change and complexity policies do
not apply to LMI (or similar)." Well, yes, they do apply to LMI, because
after you log into an LMI account, LMI **requires that network password** to
access the remote system. It is two-layer authentication: once to LMI and
then into the computer. Sort of, but not quite the same, as Leythos(?)
requiring firewall authentication with different name and password before
opening ports to a TS.

No, I do not force sync. They **could** have a weak LMI password, perhaps
their dog's name, because my network password policy is strong and **still
needs to be used** for them to log onto the computer. I only give LMI to a
select few while others get RWW.

As to complexity, yes, it is increased, but so is security, much like the
two-level authentication of firewall-then-RDP or the guy who has
AuthAnvil(?).

Again, the original discussion was capabilities of each, not admin needs.

Gregg Hill




"SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
news:eL11VlisIHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> No, it is not a moot point because the password change policy invalidates
> that bit of paper after a time.
>
> My domain password change and complexity policies do not apply to LMI (or
> similar).
>
> 1) is simply additional administration. I don't need it.
> 2) more additional admin I don't need.
> 3) You cannot enable RDP for blank passworded users.(client side control)
> 4) when someone want to log into RWW they use HTTPS at IIS level and RDP
> traffic is also encrypted.
> 5) remove user from 'remote' group.
>
> NO advantage, many disadvantages.
>
> People need to remember 'this user/pass for LMI' 'this user/pass for
> network', or are you enforcing sync in some way?
> You are simply increasing complexity by using a 3rd party service.
>
> "Gregg Hill" <greggmhill at please do not spam me at yahoo dot com> wrote
> in message news:%23zy22ChsIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> The statement that "...your users may write those details on an envelope
>> they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone" is the same for network
>> passwords, so it is moot. Even if I gave you my LMI login name and
>> password, it would do you no good, since I have not told you my computer
>> passwords for the systems listed in LMI. You could not access any system
>> for which you do not know the password.
>>
>> LogMeIn offers more security than RWW.
>>
>> 1) You as the administrator set up a LogMeIn (LMI) account. You do so
>> with any email address you choose and a password totally unrelated to
>> your network password. You install LMI on the computers you choose.
>> 2) You add secondary users as needed or desired, then send them an
>> invitation to open their own LMI account using their personal email
>> account (not corporate account) with a password not the same as their
>> network password. You could even set up those accounts yourself...all you
>> need is their personal email address.
>> 3) Blank passwords are not allowed in LMI accounts, and LMI requires that
>> the computer to which one connects have a password. If the computer's
>> password is blank, LMI still requires an authentication code to access
>> remote control.
>> 4) When one wants to connect to a computer using LMI, that person logs
>> into his/her LMI account and sees ONLY the computers to which you have
>> given access. They select the computer, then log in using the same
>> credentials they would if they were sitting at the computer. It has now
>> taken two different login names and two different login passwords to get
>> into the computer, and the whole transaction is 256-bit encrypted.
>> 5) If you desire to block a user's access, you merely disable the
>> secondary user.
>>
>> LMI Free offers remote control, and one can choose to blank the remote
>> screen and disable the remote mouse and keyboard if desired. If remote
>> printing or file transfer is needed, then you start running into
>> additional costs for LMI Pro or LMI IT Reach, which both allow file
>> transfer and remote printing with a universal printer driver.
>>
>> Gregg Hill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message
>> news:Oa9ayzZsIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> No, RRW offers Administrator controlled access to PC's. If you allow
>>> LogMeIn(or alternatives) your users may write those details on an
>>> envelope they throw in the bin, to be picked up by anyone. They may use
>>> a simple password (or none) for this alternate connection method, rather
>>> than the system enforced password strength.
>>>
>>> Actually, RWW is a set of web pages and my WM device handles those web
>>> pages fine. It is only the 'Connect to...' functions that do not work.
>>> (Something I consider a minor part of RWW).
>>>
>>> "Jelly26" <Jelly26@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4DBD8A8A-9696-427E-BA2F-F9815701BCA6@microsoft.com...
>>>> Logme lets others to see your screen, while RWW keeps the things
>>>> ssseecret...
>>>> you know what I mean :)
>>>>
>>>> "William" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8 May, 22:13, MijakiDK <Mijak...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Thanks, but that is not RWW
>>>>>
>>>>> True. But what can RWW do that LogMeIn cannot do?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> WH
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Will RWW work on a PDA and if so how by Gregg

Gregg
Fri May 09 19:28:10 PDT 2008

William,

You can use the "Provide Remote Assistance" item in RWW to view and help a
user, but it much more of a pain than LMI. I can't believe I missed that
one, as it is one of my favorites for LMI.

Gregg Hill



"William" <william@lowerknowle.com> wrote in message
news:16973e5b-bd98-4644-a077-cf0a86f78e0a@a23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 10 May, 00:06, "SuperGumby [SBS MVP]" <n...@your.nellie> wrote:
>> No, it is not a moot point because the password change policy invalidates
>> that bit of paper after a time.
>
> And at the same time, it would invalidate the LMI login (because it
> also uses the NT user-name/pw).
>
>> My domain password change and complexity policies do not apply to LMI (or
>> similar).
>
> Yes, they do (see above).
>
>> 1) is simply additional administration. I don't need it.
>
> It's a one time set-up, no further interaction required. You can leave
> the LMI user-name/pw unchanged forever, because it only passes the
> user to a screen that demands the [current] NT user-name/pw.
>
>> 2) more additional admin I don't need.
>
> Err, didn't we just pass this spot?
>
>> 3) You cannot enable RDP for blank passworded users.(client side control)
>
> True, but that just makes RWW and LMI equal on that point.
>
>> 4) when someone want to log into RWW they use HTTPS at IIS level and RDP
>> traffic is also encrypted.
>
> Ditto for LMI.
>
>> 5) remove user from 'remote' group.
>
> Again, RWW and LMI score equal on that point.
>
>> NO advantage, many disadvantages.
>
> Advantage = Two way working, which can be good for support tasks. I
> find it convenient to have my users run through what they did to get
> "that error", whilst I look over their shoulder from 200 miles away.
> Then I can show them how to do it properly, whilst they watch me.
>
> Advantage = Works via PDA (this is where we came in).
>
> Disadvantage = Free version doesn't do printing or file transfer, and
> I wouldn't want to pay for those when RWW does them for free.
>
> Disadvantage = Needs to be installed and set-up per required
> workstation..
>
> Disadvantage = Admin overhead of additional user-name/pw; but you
> can't claim this one, and then criticise it for being LESS secure.
>
> My summary: It doesn't replace RWW, but it does do a couple of things
> that RWW can't do. If you need those features, then LMI is another
> tool in the bag. If you don't need them, then RWW is ready and
> waiting.
>
> If MS could add two-way working and PDA support into RWW, then I
> wouldn't need LMI for any of my SBS users. I'd still need it for the
> rest of 'em though.
>
> --
> WH