kj
Sun May 04 23:38:35 PDT 2008
SuperGumby [SBS MVP] wrote:
> OK, I can live with that. Does not have to be Core+H, but can only
> provide core services + Hyper-V (but including management of the
> children), no other roles (so my RO DC is out too).
>
> May as well be limited to Core+H :-)
Might be the easiest to safely comply with the licensing and probably the
most effecient for memory too.
>>run software to manage and service operating system environments
>> on the licensed server.
Maybe it's just me, but just what does "...service operating system
environments on the (host) licesned server" really mean? Are they talking
RDP or similar?
>
> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OUFlWpmrIHA.4952@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> SuperGumby [SBS MVP] wrote:
>>> and note, that 1+1 right is Server Core+Hyper-V only on the parent.
>>> (Charlie knows this but I don't think it's obvious from his
>>> statement)
>>
>> I keep hearing this but never any citation of exactly the source of
>> this information.
>>
>> What I do find both the in 2008 licensing guide and in the Windows
>> Server 2008 EULA states that the Host (POSE) must be used *only* to
>> control and manage the guest (VOSE). *Nowehere* can I find any
>> specification or limitation that the host (POSE) version *must be* a
>> Server Core installation.
>>
>> If you have an authoritative source of this, please provide the
>> reference. Not sure how that might superceed the EULA, but I'd be
>> interested in seeing it firsthand.
>>
>> (2008 Licesning Guide)
>>
>> A customer licensed with Windows Server 2008 Standard now may run
>>
>> one instance of the server software in the physical operating system
>>
>> environment (POSE) and one instance of the server software in a
>> virtual operating
>>
>> system environment (VOSE). This is a new enhancement to
>>
>> the virtualization rights of Windows Server Standard. Diagram A below
>>
>> illustrates this new license enhancement. The orange arrow indicates
>> that when running both instances, the instance of the server software
>> running in the POSE may only be used to manage and service the operating
>> system environments on the server.
>>
>>
>>
>> (2008 Eula)
>>
>>
>>
>> b. Running Instances of the Server Software. You may run, at any one
>> time, one instance of the server software in one physical operating
>> system environment and one instance in one virtual operating system
>> environment on the licensed server.
>> If you run both permitted instances at the same time, the instance
>> of the server software running in the physical operating system
>> environment may be used only to:
>>
>> · run hardware virtualization software
>>
>> · provide hardware virtualization services
>>
>> · run software to manage and service operating system environments
>> on the licensed server.
>>
>>
>> c. Running Instances of the Additional Software. You may run or
>> otherwise use any number of instances of additional software listed
>> below in physical or virtual operating system environments on any
>> number of devices. You may use additional software only with the
>> server software directly, or indirectly through other additional
>> software. · AD Migration Tool
>> · FRS Monitoring Tools
>> · Remote Desktop Connection Client
>> · RSAT Client
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You _may_ be able to install other 'core only' roles (Read Only DC,
>>> etc...) but I'm not actually sure this is covered by licensing
>>> either. Last time I looked Enterprise was more than four times the cost
>>> of
>>> Standard (in AU) so unless you have other E vs S requirements, no,
>>> it didn't cut it just on the virtual side of things.
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in
>>> message news:30CC8366-854D-4407-A6F8-11449486CC4D@microsoft.com...
>>>> Actually, you get rights to 4 VMs with Server 2k3 R2 as well. <g>
>>>> Just not with Server 2k3 pre-R2. But just as with Server 2k8,
>>>> that's Enterprise ONLY. (Datacenter is unlimited, I think.)
>>>>
>>>> Given the price difference between Standard and Enterprise, you may
>>>> not want to pop for enterprise to only host two VMs.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you can do this with Server 2k8. There, with standard, you get
>>>> 1+1 rights. (The parent partition plus one child.) So, if you do
>>>> this in Standard 2008, you'd be covered if you ran the parent
>>>> partition as a mgmt partition only, child partition as your "plus
>>>> 1" with Terminal Server, and then pay for your license for SBS for
>>>> the second child partition. And, if you're going to set up a
>>>> Terminal Server, there are huge
>>>> advantages to going to Server 2k8 for it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>>
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
>>>>
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.22881cdde2dda3879897aa@adfree.usenet.com...
>>>>> In article <EEBFE059-F484-4723-B636-34C5B6533CE6@microsoft.com>,
>>>>> charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org says...
>>>>>> Virtual PC is for desktops. Not recommended on a server, and it
>>>>>> has the disadvantage of not being able to autostart or run
>>>>>> without a logon. Virtual
>>>>>> Server doesn't have those limitations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you do it? Certainly. I have done it, as have others. The
>>>>>> biggest problem is that SBS is hard limited to 4 GB of RAM,
>>>>>> maximum. That means that
>>>>>> if you grab 2 GB of RAM for your Terminal Server (a pretty small
>>>>>> amount on a
>>>>>> TS), you've stolen 2 GB from your SBS which is going to feel a
>>>>>> bit starved,
>>>>>> one suspects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One alternative I've also done is to install an x64 version of
>>>>>> Windows, which can view 32-GB of RAM (in the Standard Edition),
>>>>>> and run both SBS and
>>>>>> the Terminal Server as guest OSs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was looking at licensing, with 2008 this is economical as you
>>>>> get rights for 4 Virtual servers, with 2003 you have to pay for
>>>>> each instance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also think that you would have to install the first OS to
>>>>> be the VM manager, then SBS, then the Terminal Server OS, so that
>>>>> would be 3 installs on one box?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
>>>>> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like
>>>>> calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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>>
>> --
>> /kj
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/kj