Hi everyone,

I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.

I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running SBS
2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and about 12
member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.

Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to exceed 50
people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports concurrent 50
users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't being utilized other
then for exchange (none of the client computers are joined to the SBS
domain). So again, as I plan our structure for the future; I can't help but
wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and implement Server 2003 Standard or
enterprise. But then again, I don't know how time consuming it would be to
migrate once we exceed 50 users. Not to mention that we are going to open
several branch offices. Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions.
-mike

Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Dave

Dave
Thu Mar 27 15:48:04 PDT 2008

50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be licensed
for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible, especially if
there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from the simplicity and
reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the separate components. I'd
save the money, or put it into desktops.


"Mike" <none> wrote in message
news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi everyone,
>
> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>
> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running
> SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and about
> 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>
> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to exceed
> 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports concurrent
> 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't being utilized
> other then for exchange (none of the client computers are joined to the
> SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for the future; I can't
> help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and implement Server 2003
> Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't know how time consuming it
> would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users. Not to mention that we are
> going to open several branch offices. Thanks in advance for your comments
> and suggestions.
> -mike
>


Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Russ

Russ
Thu Mar 27 15:54:09 PDT 2008

Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.

And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)

Russ

--

SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com



-

"Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be licensed
> for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible, especially
> if there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from the
> simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the separate
> components. I'd save the money, or put it into desktops.
>
>
> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>
>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running
>> SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and about
>> 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>>
>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to exceed
>> 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports concurrent
>> 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't being utilized
>> other then for exchange (none of the client computers are joined to the
>> SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for the future; I can't
>> help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and implement Server 2003
>> Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't know how time consuming
>> it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users. Not to mention that we
>> are going to open several branch offices. Thanks in advance for your
>> comments and suggestions.
>> -mike
>>
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Mike

Mike
Thu Mar 27 16:00:29 PDT 2008

Hi Dave,
Thanks for your response. I didn't know SBS supports up to 75 users. I
realize its costly to separate the components; but wasn't sure if the amount
of man hours required in migrating SBS to enterprise is justified once we
reach 50 or 75 users. And yes, I agree the simplicity that SBS offers is
very nice too. Again, thanks Dave.
-mike


"Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be licensed
> for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible, especially
> if there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from the
> simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the separate
> components. I'd save the money, or put it into desktops.
>
>
> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>
>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running
>> SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and about
>> 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>>
>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to exceed
>> 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports concurrent
>> 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't being utilized
>> other then for exchange (none of the client computers are joined to the
>> SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for the future; I can't
>> help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and implement Server 2003
>> Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't know how time consuming
>> it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users. Not to mention that we
>> are going to open several branch offices. Thanks in advance for your
>> comments and suggestions.
>> -mike
>>
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Mike

Mike
Thu Mar 27 16:02:32 PDT 2008

Hi Russ,

Thank so much for your response. In regards to 'losing things', can you
elaborate a little more?
take care,
-mike
"Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
news:%23Tc341FkIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
> Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.
>
> And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)
>
> Russ
>
> --
>
> SBITS.Biz
> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>
>
>
> -
>
> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
> message news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible,
>> especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from
>> the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the
>> separate components. I'd save the money, or put it into desktops.
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>>
>>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running
>>> SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and about
>>> 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>>>
>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to exceed
>>> 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports
>>> concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't
>>> being utilized other then for exchange (none of the client computers are
>>> joined to the SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for the
>>> future; I can't help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and
>>> implement Server 2003 Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't
>>> know how time consuming it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users.
>>> Not to mention that we are going to open several branch offices. Thanks
>>> in advance for your comments and suggestions.
>>> -mike
>>>
>>
>
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Russ

Russ
Thu Mar 27 16:31:36 PDT 2008

Well you'd lose RWW for one. (If you went to Standard Server)

Russ

--

SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com



-

"Mike" <none> wrote in message news:uUZ7o6FkIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Hi Russ,
>
> Thank so much for your response. In regards to 'losing things', can you
> elaborate a little more?
> take care,
> -mike
> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
> news:%23Tc341FkIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
>> Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.
>>
>> And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> --
>>
>> SBITS.Biz
>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
>> message news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible,
>>> especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from
>>> the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the
>>> separate components. I'd save the money, or put it into desktops.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>>>
>>>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running
>>>> SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and
>>>> about 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>>>>
>>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to
>>>> exceed 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports
>>>> concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't
>>>> being utilized other then for exchange (none of the client computers
>>>> are joined to the SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for
>>>> the future; I can't help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and
>>>> implement Server 2003 Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't
>>>> know how time consuming it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users.
>>>> Not to mention that we are going to open several branch offices. Thanks
>>>> in advance for your comments and suggestions.
>>>> -mike
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by kj

kj
Thu Mar 27 16:34:36 PDT 2008


Wizards, wizards, & wizards. <g>

Oh, and also healthmon (monitoring and alerts).

/kj

"Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
news:e9y%23zKGkIHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Well you'd lose RWW for one. (If you went to Standard Server)
>
> Russ
>
> --
>
> SBITS.Biz
> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>
>
>
> -
>
> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
> news:uUZ7o6FkIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Russ,
>>
>> Thank so much for your response. In regards to 'losing things', can you
>> elaborate a little more?
>> take care,
>> -mike
>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>> news:%23Tc341FkIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
>>> Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.
>>>
>>> And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)
>>>
>>> Russ
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> SBITS.Biz
>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
>>> message news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>>>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>>>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible,
>>>> especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from
>>>> the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the
>>>> separate components. I'd save the money, or put it into desktops.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently
>>>>> running SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users,
>>>>> and about 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to
>>>>> exceed 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports
>>>>> concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't
>>>>> being utilized other then for exchange (none of the client computers
>>>>> are joined to the SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for
>>>>> the future; I can't help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and
>>>>> implement Server 2003 Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't
>>>>> know how time consuming it would be to migrate once we exceed 50
>>>>> users. Not to mention that we are going to open several branch
>>>>> offices. Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions.
>>>>> -mike
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Russ

Russ
Thu Mar 27 16:45:30 PDT 2008

I wasn't going to say the Wizards, because some people are control freaks
and they don't like them to begin with. LOL
:)

Russ

--

SBITS.Biz
Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
World Wide Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com



-

"kj [SBS MVP}" <james.kevin.r.SPAMFREE@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eXi6gMGkIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> Wizards, wizards, & wizards. <g>
>
> Oh, and also healthmon (monitoring and alerts).
>
> /kj
>
> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
> news:e9y%23zKGkIHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Well you'd lose RWW for one. (If you went to Standard Server)
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> --
>>
>> SBITS.Biz
>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>> news:uUZ7o6FkIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi Russ,
>>>
>>> Thank so much for your response. In regards to 'losing things', can you
>>> elaborate a little more?
>>> take care,
>>> -mike
>>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Tc341FkIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
>>>> Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.
>>>>
>>>> And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)
>>>>
>>>> Russ
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> SBITS.Biz
>>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
>>>> message news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>>>>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>>>>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as
>>>>> possible, especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch now.
>>>>> Aside from the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move
>>>>> to the separate components. I'd save the money, or put it into
>>>>> desktops.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently
>>>>>> running SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20
>>>>>> users, and about 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom
>>>>>> apps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to
>>>>>> exceed 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports
>>>>>> concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't
>>>>>> being utilized other then for exchange (none of the client computers
>>>>>> are joined to the SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for
>>>>>> the future; I can't help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and
>>>>>> implement Server 2003 Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't
>>>>>> know how time consuming it would be to migrate once we exceed 50
>>>>>> users. Not to mention that we are going to open several branch
>>>>>> offices. Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions.
>>>>>> -mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Cris

Cris
Thu Mar 27 18:12:56 PDT 2008

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--=20
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-------------------------------------------------
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Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
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> "Mike" <none> wrote in message=20
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>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>
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Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Bill

Bill
Thu Mar 27 18:22:02 PDT 2008

Don't miss Russ' comment about EBS 2008. There's now an intermediate
between SBS and standard servers and it might well be worth looking at in
future:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/essential/ebs/default.mspx


"Mike" <none> wrote in message
news:%23qImf5FkIHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi Dave,
> Thanks for your response. I didn't know SBS supports up to 75 users. I
> realize its costly to separate the components; but wasn't sure if the
> amount of man hours required in migrating SBS to enterprise is justified
> once we reach 50 or 75 users. And yes, I agree the simplicity that SBS
> offers is very nice too. Again, thanks Dave.
> -mike
>
>
> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
> message news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible,
>> especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from
>> the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the
>> separate components. I'd save the money, or put it into desktops.
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>>
>>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running
>>> SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and about
>>> 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>>>
>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to exceed
>>> 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports
>>> concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't
>>> being utilized other then for exchange (none of the client computers are
>>> joined to the SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for the
>>> future; I can't help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and
>>> implement Server 2003 Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't
>>> know how time consuming it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users.
>>> Not to mention that we are going to open several branch offices. Thanks
>>> in advance for your comments and suggestions.
>>> -mike
>>>
>>
>
>


Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Larry

Larry
Thu Mar 27 19:10:09 PDT 2008

Also, with SBS 2008 and EBS 2008, you are licensed for, and can move the SQL
apps to a separate server. Takes the load off the SBS main server, and
makes the entire system more responsive.

--
Larry

Please post the resolution to
your issue so that all can benefit.


"Mike" <none> wrote in message
news:%23qImf5FkIHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Hi Dave,
> Thanks for your response. I didn't know SBS supports up to 75 users. I
> realize its costly to separate the components; but wasn't sure if the
> amount of man hours required in migrating SBS to enterprise is justified
> once we reach 50 or 75 users. And yes, I agree the simplicity that SBS
> offers is very nice too. Again, thanks Dave.
> -mike
>
>
> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote in
> message news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as possible,
>> especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch now. Aside from
>> the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's costly to move to the
>> separate components. I'd save the money, or put it into desktops.
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard Ed.
>>>
>>> I just started with a company and inherited a network currently running
>>> SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20 users, and about
>>> 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some custom apps.
>>>
>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans to exceed
>>> 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only supports
>>> concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active directory isn't
>>> being utilized other then for exchange (none of the client computers are
>>> joined to the SBS domain). So again, as I plan our structure for the
>>> future; I can't help but wonder if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and
>>> implement Server 2003 Standard or enterprise. But then again, I don't
>>> know how time consuming it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users.
>>> Not to mention that we are going to open several branch offices. Thanks
>>> in advance for your comments and suggestions.
>>> -mike
>>>
>>
>
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by kj

kj
Thu Mar 27 21:55:04 PDT 2008

Russ (SBITS.Biz) wrote:
> I wasn't going to say the Wizards, because some people are control
> freaks and they don't like them to begin with. LOL
> :)
>
> Russ

OK, who are you, and why are you impersonating Russ?


>
>
> "kj [SBS MVP}" <james.kevin.r.SPAMFREE@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eXi6gMGkIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Wizards, wizards, & wizards. <g>
>>
>> Oh, and also healthmon (monitoring and alerts).
>>
>> /kj
>>
>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>> news:e9y%23zKGkIHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Well you'd lose RWW for one. (If you went to Standard Server)
>>>
>>> Russ
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> SBITS.Biz
>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>> news:uUZ7o6FkIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi Russ,
>>>>
>>>> Thank so much for your response. In regards to 'losing things',
>>>> can you elaborate a little more?
>>>> take care,
>>>> -mike
>>>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Tc341FkIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
>>>>> Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.
>>>>>
>>>>> And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Russ
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> SBITS.Biz
>>>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote
>>>>> in message
>>>>> news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>>>>>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as
>>>>>> possible, especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch
>>>>>> now. Aside from the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's
>>>>>> costly to move to the separate components. I'd save the money,
>>>>>> or put it into desktops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard
>>>>>>> Ed. I just started with a company and inherited a network currently
>>>>>>> running SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20
>>>>>>> users, and about 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some
>>>>>>> custom apps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans
>>>>>>> to exceed 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only
>>>>>>> supports concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active
>>>>>>> directory isn't being utilized other then for exchange (none of
>>>>>>> the client computers are joined to the SBS domain). So again,
>>>>>>> as I plan our structure for the future; I can't help but wonder
>>>>>>> if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and implement Server 2003 Standard
>>>>>>> or enterprise. But then again, I don't know how time consuming
>>>>>>> it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users. Not to mention
>>>>>>> that we are going to open several branch offices. Thanks in
>>>>>>> advance for your comments and suggestions. -mike

--
/kj



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by Russ

Russ
Thu Mar 27 22:57:34 PDT 2008

Well Control Freaks would think that Moving AWAY from SBS was a good thing :

:)

-rg




-

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ORTnl$IkIHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Russ (SBITS.Biz) wrote:
>> I wasn't going to say the Wizards, because some people are control
>> freaks and they don't like them to begin with. LOL
>> :)
>>
>> Russ
>
> OK, who are you, and why are you impersonating Russ?
>
>
>>
>>
>> "kj [SBS MVP}" <james.kevin.r.SPAMFREE@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eXi6gMGkIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> Wizards, wizards, & wizards. <g>
>>>
>>> Oh, and also healthmon (monitoring and alerts).
>>>
>>> /kj
>>>
>>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>>> news:e9y%23zKGkIHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Well you'd lose RWW for one. (If you went to Standard Server)
>>>>
>>>> Russ
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> SBITS.Biz
>>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>>> news:uUZ7o6FkIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Hi Russ,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank so much for your response. In regards to 'losing things',
>>>>> can you elaborate a little more?
>>>>> take care,
>>>>> -mike
>>>>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23Tc341FkIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
>>>>>> Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Russ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SBITS.Biz
>>>>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>>>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>>>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>>>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote
>>>>>> in message
>>>>>> news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>>>>>>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as
>>>>>>> possible, especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch
>>>>>>> now. Aside from the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's
>>>>>>> costly to move to the separate components. I'd save the money,
>>>>>>> or put it into desktops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard
>>>>>>>> Ed. I just started with a company and inherited a network currently
>>>>>>>> running SBS 2003 with exchange (setup for public email use), 20
>>>>>>>> users, and about 12 member servers running SQL 2000 and some
>>>>>>>> custom apps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Durring a planning meeting, I found out that our company plans
>>>>>>>> to exceed 50 people in the next two years. I know that SBS only
>>>>>>>> supports concurrent 50 users. The funny thing is that active
>>>>>>>> directory isn't being utilized other then for exchange (none of
>>>>>>>> the client computers are joined to the SBS domain). So again,
>>>>>>>> as I plan our structure for the future; I can't help but wonder
>>>>>>>> if I shouldn't drop SBS NOW and implement Server 2003 Standard
>>>>>>>> or enterprise. But then again, I don't know how time consuming
>>>>>>>> it would be to migrate once we exceed 50 users. Not to mention
>>>>>>>> that we are going to open several branch offices. Thanks in
>>>>>>>> advance for your comments and suggestions. -mike
>
> --
> /kj
>



Re: Stay with SBS 2003 or move to server 2003 std. ed.? by kj

kj
Fri Mar 28 09:34:50 PDT 2008


"Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
news:%23sF8fiJkIHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Well Control Freaks would think that Moving AWAY from SBS was a good thing
> :
>
> :)
>
> -rg

It's of interest to note that with Microsofts newer and more complex
products, there are many, many more wizards.

..get used to them.

>
>
>
>
> -
>
> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS@SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ORTnl$IkIHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Russ (SBITS.Biz) wrote:
>>> I wasn't going to say the Wizards, because some people are control
>>> freaks and they don't like them to begin with. LOL
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Russ
>>
>> OK, who are you, and why are you impersonating Russ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "kj [SBS MVP}" <james.kevin.r.SPAMFREE@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eXi6gMGkIHA.4120@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>> Wizards, wizards, & wizards. <g>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and also healthmon (monitoring and alerts).
>>>>
>>>> /kj
>>>>
>>>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>>>> news:e9y%23zKGkIHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Well you'd lose RWW for one. (If you went to Standard Server)
>>>>>
>>>>> Russ
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> SBITS.Biz
>>>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uUZ7o6FkIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Hi Russ,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank so much for your response. In regards to 'losing things',
>>>>>> can you elaborate a little more?
>>>>>> take care,
>>>>>> -mike
>>>>>> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23Tc341FkIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Dave is correct and giving you good advice.
>>>>>>> Stick with SBS moving away you will LOSE things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And in two years when you are past 75 you can move to EBS.2008 :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Russ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SBITS.Biz
>>>>>>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>>>>>>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>>>>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>>>>>>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>>>>>>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>>>>>>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dave Nickason [SBS MVP]" <gwdibble@NOSPAM.frontiernet.net> wrote
>>>>>>> in message
>>>>>>> news:87FC3AC1-B0FF-4B39-ABB1-69984BC97B97@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> 50 is the "sweet spot" for SBS users, but it supports (and can be
>>>>>>>> licensed for) 75. Personally, I'd stay on SBS for as long as
>>>>>>>> possible, especially if there's nothing compelling you to switch
>>>>>>>> now. Aside from the simplicity and reliability of SBS, it's
>>>>>>>> costly to move to the separate components. I'd save the money,
>>>>>>>> or put it into desktops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mike" <none> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:O0%23vfdFkIHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I need some opinions on when to migrate to Server 2003 Standard