It seems that my 2 clients are experiencing slow logons. I am using folder
redirection (Desktop & Documents) only. I am using roaming profiles.

Is there anything I can do via disabling DHCP (Client and/or Server
Service), that might help? We all use static IP addys and I don't know if
this could have an impact?

Any other suggestions for things to look at?


D

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Re: Slow Logon by Russ

Russ
Thu Mar 27 01:40:32 PDT 2008

Well if you used the SBS as the DHCP server
It will set the Primary DNS to the SBS box
and Logins will be a LOT quicker.

Any reason Why You can't use Static IP's on PC's?
They are really the easiest way to go?

Russ

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"-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
news:32D5E29C-12F5-4D77-B8D5-079A62787A22@microsoft.com...
> It seems that my 2 clients are experiencing slow logons. I am using folder
> redirection (Desktop & Documents) only. I am using roaming profiles.
>
> Is there anything I can do via disabling DHCP (Client and/or Server
> Service), that might help? We all use static IP addys and I don't know if
> this could have an impact?
>
> Any other suggestions for things to look at?
>
>
> D
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> For The Best Web Hosting Money Can Buy Go To:
> http://www.serverpoint.com/1028.html



Re: Slow Logon by Brian

Brian
Thu Mar 27 02:38:08 PDT 2008


"-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
news:32D5E29C-12F5-4D77-B8D5-079A62787A22@microsoft.com...
> It seems that my 2 clients are experiencing slow logons. I am using folder
> redirection (Desktop & Documents) only. I am using roaming profiles.
>
> Is there anything I can do via disabling DHCP (Client and/or Server
> Service), that might help? We all use static IP addys and I don't know if
> this could have an impact?

If you are using static IPs then DHCP isn't a factor. Personally I would
recommend that for all but servers you use dynamic IP addresses allocated
from your DHCP server. That way you don't need to keep track of which IP
addresses are in use for each PC and you can ensure that DNS servers,
default gateway, WINS server etc are all set up correctly on all pcs.

> Any other suggestions for things to look at?

Just some ideas:

1. Use ipconfig and ensure that the IP settings (other than IP address) are
the same for both the clients that are slow and for those which are not.

2. Look in the windows event log (system log I think) and check that there
are not any errors being logged. It could be an issue with the network card
or switch. Unlikely, but worth ruling out.

3. Since you use roaming profiles, is the problem related to the user or to
the pc? If its related to the user then its probably the size of the user's
profile. (Although personally I've only encountered this being a problem
with slow logouts.)

4. Do a disk check (chkdsk /f and reboot) on the offending pcs.

5. When the pc is up and running do "ping -l 64000 SERVER" (where SERVER is
the name of your SBS server). Then compare the times when you do the same on
a non-slow pc. The "-l 64000" is pinging using large packets, and if there
are any network problems then (in my experience) large packets are more
likley to uncover them. If you get any timeouts or inconsistent timings then
this either indicates a problem with the network, a busy network or perhaps
that your network doesn't support such a large packet size.

If you find out what it was could you post back for the benefit of others
who may encounter a similar problem.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian



Re: Slow Logon by Brian

Brian
Thu Mar 27 02:42:22 PDT 2008

"Brian Cryer" <brianc@127.0.0.1.activesol.co.uk> wrote in message
news:uGF1G5%23jIHA.2276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
> news:32D5E29C-12F5-4D77-B8D5-079A62787A22@microsoft.com...
>> It seems that my 2 clients are experiencing slow logons. I am using
>> folder redirection (Desktop & Documents) only. I am using roaming
>> profiles.
>>
>> Is there anything I can do via disabling DHCP (Client and/or Server
>> Service), that might help? We all use static IP addys and I don't know if
>> this could have an impact?
>
> If you are using static IPs then DHCP isn't a factor. Personally I would
> recommend that for all but servers you use dynamic IP addresses allocated
> from your DHCP server. That way you don't need to keep track of which IP
> addresses are in use for each PC and you can ensure that DNS servers,
> default gateway, WINS server etc are all set up correctly on all pcs.
>
>> Any other suggestions for things to look at?
>
> Just some ideas:
>
> 1. Use ipconfig and ensure that the IP settings (other than IP address)
> are the same for both the clients that are slow and for those which are
> not.
>
> 2. Look in the windows event log (system log I think) and check that there
> are not any errors being logged. It could be an issue with the network
> card or switch. Unlikely, but worth ruling out.
>
> 3. Since you use roaming profiles, is the problem related to the user or
> to the pc? If its related to the user then its probably the size of the
> user's profile. (Although personally I've only encountered this being a
> problem with slow logouts.)
>
> 4. Do a disk check (chkdsk /f and reboot) on the offending pcs.
>
> 5. When the pc is up and running do "ping -l 64000 SERVER" (where SERVER
> is the name of your SBS server). Then compare the times when you do the
> same on a non-slow pc. The "-l 64000" is pinging using large packets, and
> if there are any network problems then (in my experience) large packets
> are more likley to uncover them. If you get any timeouts or inconsistent
> timings then this either indicates a problem with the network, a busy
> network or perhaps that your network doesn't support such a large packet
> size.
>
> If you find out what it was could you post back for the benefit of others
> who may encounter a similar problem.

Something else: since you are using static IP addresses can I confirm that
you are using the SBS server as your DNS server? If you are using a router
as your DNS server then you will get slow response times when the pcs try to
connect to the server (if they succeed at all).
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian



Re: Slow Logon by -Draino-

-Draino-
Thu Mar 27 05:08:56 PDT 2008


<snip>
> Something else: since you are using static IP addresses can I confirm that
> you are using the SBS server as your DNS server? If you are using a router
> as your DNS server then you will get slow response times when the pcs try
> to connect to the server (if they succeed at all).
> --


I am using the router as the the DNS server, 192.168.2.1

Workstation 1 is 192.168.2.2 and Workstation 2 is 192.16.2.3 and connected
directly to the router.

My SBS2003 is 192.168.2.16 and it also is connected directly to the router.

Are you saying that on Workstation 1 & 2 I should change the "use the
following DNS server from xxx.xxx.xxx.1 to xxx.xxx.xxx.16???

What about the Server itself?


D


Re: Slow Logon by -Draino-

-Draino-
Thu Mar 27 05:14:19 PDT 2008



"Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
news:uMO24Y#jIHA.4940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Well if you used the SBS as the DHCP server
> It will set the Primary DNS to the SBS box
> and Logins will be a LOT quicker.
>
> Any reason Why You can't use Static IP's on PC's?
> They are really the easiest way to go?
>

Static IP addressing is required for Remote Desktop, is it not? I need to
access the Server via Remote Desktop as well as the PC's with RWW.

But besides that we are only talking about 2 workstations and even if the
company gets any bigger they will most likely never have more than 5 PC's
max.


D


Re: Slow Logon by Brian

Brian
Thu Mar 27 07:14:10 PDT 2008

"-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
news:9632B4A2-61D7-4952-BEB5-BEC98023FB45@microsoft.com...
>
> <snip>
>> Something else: since you are using static IP addresses can I confirm
>> that you are using the SBS server as your DNS server? If you are using a
>> router as your DNS server then you will get slow response times when the
>> pcs try to connect to the server (if they succeed at all).
>> --
>
>
> I am using the router as the the DNS server, 192.168.2.1

That may well be your problem. Use your SBS server as your DNS server.

> Workstation 1 is 192.168.2.2 and Workstation 2 is 192.16.2.3 and connected
> directly to the router.
>
> My SBS2003 is 192.168.2.16 and it also is connected directly to the
> router.
>
> Are you saying that on Workstation 1 & 2 I should change the "use the
> following DNS server from xxx.xxx.xxx.1 to xxx.xxx.xxx.16???

Yes.

> What about the Server itself?

Be sure FIRST that the DNS service is correctly configured and working on
the server. Under Start > Administrative tools you should have DNS. (There
are probably other ways of getting to it, and there may well be a wizard to
configure it. I'm assuming its installed by default with SBS, since I don't
recall doing anything special to install it - but I could be wrong.) Right
click on your server and select properties, which will let you edit all the
pertinent properties of the SBS DNS server. Ensure that on the "Forwarders"
tab you have listed the IP address for your router and/or the IP addresses
that your router is using for its DNS.

A simple way to test that its working properly is at the command prompt to
enter:
nslookup www.google.com 192.168.2.16
(given that 192.168.2.16 is the IP address of your server.) Also:
nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.16
where SERVERNAME is the name of your SBS server should return virtually
straight away, whereas I would expect
nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.1
to fail, because your router probably has no way of determing the IP address
of your server.

I think this will result in your login times reducing because your
workstations will now be able to connect to your server. I don't know what
the situation is otherwise, perhaps if DNS fails to resolve a name the pcs
might be using WINS or a broadcast to try to identify the IP address of your
server. Don't know. What I do know is that when I was fiddling on my home
network recently to troubleshoot a problem I had the router as DHCP server
not the SBS box and as a consequence it took an age for pcs to login - the
fact that the router was the DHCP server in itself wasn't significant it was
that the pcs were interrogating the router for the IP address of my server
which was failing.

Hope this helps. Post back if anything isn't clear.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian




Re: Slow Logon by Brian

Brian
Thu Mar 27 07:21:56 PDT 2008

"-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
news:70C79335-20D6-4305-B5F7-C80E84363B02@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
> news:uMO24Y#jIHA.4940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Well if you used the SBS as the DHCP server
>> It will set the Primary DNS to the SBS box
>> and Logins will be a LOT quicker.
>>
>> Any reason Why You can't use Static IP's on PC's?
>> They are really the easiest way to go?
>>
>
> Static IP addressing is required for Remote Desktop, is it not? I need to
> access the Server via Remote Desktop as well as the PC's with RWW.

Yes and no. A static IP address is required in order for you to forward the
ports for remote desktop at your router. So yes. So you should have a static
IP address for your server. That said, for everything else a dynamic IP
address is fine.

> But besides that we are only talking about 2 workstations and even if the
> company gets any bigger they will most likely never have more than 5 PC's
> max.

The advantage of using DHCP is that as well as not needing to worry (too
much) about IP assignments it also lets you configure things like DNS
servers in one place. All in all it does reduce the administration you need
to do. That said:

1. It doesn't have a bearing on your slow login issue. (Could be wrong - see
comment below.)
2. Managing two pcs isn't much of a burden - especially once its all
working.
3. If it isn't broken don't fix it.

However, looking back at Russ's post, his point that "If you used the SBS at
the DHCP server it will set the primary DNS to the SBS box" I believe to be
spot on. So it probably would have avoided the issue. (But please read by
other post too.)

So you could either set the DNS information manually on each PC to point to
the SBS box or you could get DHCP working on the server and then change your
client pcs to pick up their IP addresses using DHCP. (You will need to
switch DHCP off on the router - and when you create an ip address pool on
the server be sure to exclude the IP address that you have taken for your
server.)
--
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www.cryer.co.uk/brian



Re: Slow Logon by -Draino-

-Draino-
Thu Mar 27 07:32:33 PDT 2008

Thanks Brian,

I will fix later today. My users say logon time are slow but they have been
logging onto the workstations locally for years. Now that they have to log
on to the "network" log on time will seem very slow to them.

I checked the log on times myself at each workstation and the log on seemed
within reason. Each user profile is about 50 megs total, so there is a delay
to get that loaded.

Should I put anything in the "Alternate DNS Server" box? Maybe 192.168.2.1
or 127.0.0.1???

On another note for using static IP addresses is that DHCP has been a
problem because when ever I try to configure RRAS, just before the wizard is
about to make changes it says that DHCP will be used to configure something.
Maybe that is why I can't VPN into my Server, but not sure.

If RRAS is only needed for VPN then I don't see a use for it. Maybe I can
disable or delete it?


Thanks,

D



"Brian Cryer" <brianc@127.0.0.1.activesol.co.uk> wrote in message
news:OtfkSTBkIHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> "-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
> news:9632B4A2-61D7-4952-BEB5-BEC98023FB45@microsoft.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>>> Something else: since you are using static IP addresses can I confirm
>>> that you are using the SBS server as your DNS server? If you are using a
>>> router as your DNS server then you will get slow response times when the
>>> pcs try to connect to the server (if they succeed at all).
>>> --
>>
>>
>> I am using the router as the the DNS server, 192.168.2.1
>
> That may well be your problem. Use your SBS server as your DNS server.
>
>> Workstation 1 is 192.168.2.2 and Workstation 2 is 192.16.2.3 and
>> connected directly to the router.
>>
>> My SBS2003 is 192.168.2.16 and it also is connected directly to the
>> router.
>>
>> Are you saying that on Workstation 1 & 2 I should change the "use the
>> following DNS server from xxx.xxx.xxx.1 to xxx.xxx.xxx.16???
>
> Yes.
>
>> What about the Server itself?
>
> Be sure FIRST that the DNS service is correctly configured and working on
> the server. Under Start > Administrative tools you should have DNS. (There
> are probably other ways of getting to it, and there may well be a wizard
> to configure it. I'm assuming its installed by default with SBS, since I
> don't recall doing anything special to install it - but I could be wrong.)
> Right click on your server and select properties, which will let you edit
> all the pertinent properties of the SBS DNS server. Ensure that on the
> "Forwarders" tab you have listed the IP address for your router and/or the
> IP addresses that your router is using for its DNS.
>
> A simple way to test that its working properly is at the command prompt to
> enter:
> nslookup www.google.com 192.168.2.16
> (given that 192.168.2.16 is the IP address of your server.) Also:
> nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.16
> where SERVERNAME is the name of your SBS server should return virtually
> straight away, whereas I would expect
> nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.1
> to fail, because your router probably has no way of determing the IP
> address of your server.
>
> I think this will result in your login times reducing because your
> workstations will now be able to connect to your server. I don't know what
> the situation is otherwise, perhaps if DNS fails to resolve a name the pcs
> might be using WINS or a broadcast to try to identify the IP address of
> your server. Don't know. What I do know is that when I was fiddling on my
> home network recently to troubleshoot a problem I had the router as DHCP
> server not the SBS box and as a consequence it took an age for pcs to
> login - the fact that the router was the DHCP server in itself wasn't
> significant it was that the pcs were interrogating the router for the IP
> address of my server which was failing.
>
> Hope this helps. Post back if anything isn't clear.
> --
> Brian Cryer
> www.cryer.co.uk/brian
>
>
>

Re: Slow Logon by Brian

Brian
Thu Mar 27 08:21:58 PDT 2008

"-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
news:O7EemdBkIHA.4356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Brian,
>
> I will fix later today. My users say logon time are slow but they have
> been logging onto the workstations locally for years. Now that they have
> to log on to the "network" log on time will seem very slow to them.
>
> I checked the log on times myself at each workstation and the log on
> seemed within reason. Each user profile is about 50 megs total, so there
> is a delay to get that loaded.
>
> Should I put anything in the "Alternate DNS Server" box? Maybe 192.168.2.1
> or 127.0.0.1???

I'd suggest primary is your SBS server. Either leave the secondary blank or
use your router.

> On another note for using static IP addresses is that DHCP has been a
> problem because when ever I try to configure RRAS, just before the wizard
> is about to make changes it says that DHCP will be used to configure
> something. Maybe that is why I can't VPN into my Server, but not sure.
>
> If RRAS is only needed for VPN then I don't see a use for it. Maybe I can
> disable or delete it?

RRAS is out of my comfort zone. Sorry. It might be worth starting a new
thread on that one.
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian



Re: Slow Logon by Russ

Russ
Thu Mar 27 10:13:25 PDT 2008

Draino,

No offense here, but I really want to help and make SBS a wonderful
experience for you.

Looking at the last couple of posts of yours,
It appears this is your first SBS server?

For Most people it's best not to be messing with SBS,
SBS is not a regular Win2003 server, things are interconnected and rely on
other parts.

Despite how many years of IT experience you have, you need to forget 50% of
it when applying to SBS

It's best to Install everything on SBS and instead of Disabling or Hacking
your way through things.

So in other words Ignore what you don't want.
Disabling and Hacking around trying to get UBER Performance won't buy you
much.

For SBS to be happy, (And your self)
You should embrace some basics that SBS has to offer.

Not Doing this. Will Cause you MUCH pain and Grief in the long run.
and put your SBS in a Unsupported state.
(And you will HATE SBS)

Learn about RWW OWA OMA RPC over HTTP And you will find it's a really good
System.

I hope you reconsider your current path of hacking disabling etc.
Because now I just see you fighting your SBS box forever.

My 2 Cents.

Russ
--

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Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
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-

"-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
news:O7EemdBkIHA.4356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Brian,
>
> I will fix later today. My users say logon time are slow but they have
> been logging onto the workstations locally for years. Now that they have
> to log on to the "network" log on time will seem very slow to them.
>
> I checked the log on times myself at each workstation and the log on
> seemed within reason. Each user profile is about 50 megs total, so there
> is a delay to get that loaded.
>
> Should I put anything in the "Alternate DNS Server" box? Maybe 192.168.2.1
> or 127.0.0.1???
>
> On another note for using static IP addresses is that DHCP has been a
> problem because when ever I try to configure RRAS, just before the wizard
> is about to make changes it says that DHCP will be used to configure
> something. Maybe that is why I can't VPN into my Server, but not sure.
>
> If RRAS is only needed for VPN then I don't see a use for it. Maybe I can
> disable or delete it?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> D
>
>
>
> "Brian Cryer" <brianc@127.0.0.1.activesol.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OtfkSTBkIHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
>> news:9632B4A2-61D7-4952-BEB5-BEC98023FB45@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> Something else: since you are using static IP addresses can I confirm
>>>> that you are using the SBS server as your DNS server? If you are using
>>>> a router as your DNS server then you will get slow response times when
>>>> the pcs try to connect to the server (if they succeed at all).
>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> I am using the router as the the DNS server, 192.168.2.1
>>
>> That may well be your problem. Use your SBS server as your DNS server.
>>
>>> Workstation 1 is 192.168.2.2 and Workstation 2 is 192.16.2.3 and
>>> connected directly to the router.
>>>
>>> My SBS2003 is 192.168.2.16 and it also is connected directly to the
>>> router.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that on Workstation 1 & 2 I should change the "use the
>>> following DNS server from xxx.xxx.xxx.1 to xxx.xxx.xxx.16???
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> What about the Server itself?
>>
>> Be sure FIRST that the DNS service is correctly configured and working on
>> the server. Under Start > Administrative tools you should have DNS.
>> (There are probably other ways of getting to it, and there may well be a
>> wizard to configure it. I'm assuming its installed by default with SBS,
>> since I don't recall doing anything special to install it - but I could
>> be wrong.) Right click on your server and select properties, which will
>> let you edit all the pertinent properties of the SBS DNS server. Ensure
>> that on the "Forwarders" tab you have listed the IP address for your
>> router and/or the IP addresses that your router is using for its DNS.
>>
>> A simple way to test that its working properly is at the command prompt
>> to enter:
>> nslookup www.google.com 192.168.2.16
>> (given that 192.168.2.16 is the IP address of your server.) Also:
>> nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.16
>> where SERVERNAME is the name of your SBS server should return virtually
>> straight away, whereas I would expect
>> nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.1
>> to fail, because your router probably has no way of determing the IP
>> address of your server.
>>
>> I think this will result in your login times reducing because your
>> workstations will now be able to connect to your server. I don't know
>> what the situation is otherwise, perhaps if DNS fails to resolve a name
>> the pcs might be using WINS or a broadcast to try to identify the IP
>> address of your server. Don't know. What I do know is that when I was
>> fiddling on my home network recently to troubleshoot a problem I had the
>> router as DHCP server not the SBS box and as a consequence it took an age
>> for pcs to login - the fact that the router was the DHCP server in itself
>> wasn't significant it was that the pcs were interrogating the router for
>> the IP address of my server which was failing.
>>
>> Hope this helps. Post back if anything isn't clear.
>> --
>> Brian Cryer
>> www.cryer.co.uk/brian
>>
>>
>>



Re: Slow Logon by Brian

Brian
Thu Mar 27 10:31:19 PDT 2008

"Russ (SBITS.Biz)" <support@REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message
news:%23ZqIf3CkIHA.6136@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Draino,
>
> No offense here, but I really want to help and make SBS a wonderful
> experience for you.
>
> Looking at the last couple of posts of yours,
> It appears this is your first SBS server?
>
> For Most people it's best not to be messing with SBS,
> SBS is not a regular Win2003 server, things are interconnected and rely on
> other parts.
>
> Despite how many years of IT experience you have, you need to forget 50%
> of it when applying to SBS
>
> It's best to Install everything on SBS and instead of Disabling or Hacking
> your way through things.
>
> So in other words Ignore what you don't want.
> Disabling and Hacking around trying to get UBER Performance won't buy you
> much.
>
> For SBS to be happy, (And your self)
> You should embrace some basics that SBS has to offer.
>
> Not Doing this. Will Cause you MUCH pain and Grief in the long run.
> and put your SBS in a Unsupported state.
> (And you will HATE SBS)
>
> Learn about RWW OWA OMA RPC over HTTP And you will find it's a really good
> System.
>
> I hope you reconsider your current path of hacking disabling etc.
> Because now I just see you fighting your SBS box forever.
>
> My 2 Cents.

Sound advice, and worth a lot more than 2 cents ...
--
Brian Cryer
www.cryer.co.uk/brian



Re: Slow Logon by Bill

Bill
Thu Mar 27 18:04:07 PDT 2008

You can do RRAS VPN with or without DHCP. I'd recommend with, however.


"-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
news:O7EemdBkIHA.4356@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Brian,
>
> I will fix later today. My users say logon time are slow but they have
> been logging onto the workstations locally for years. Now that they have
> to log on to the "network" log on time will seem very slow to them.
>
> I checked the log on times myself at each workstation and the log on
> seemed within reason. Each user profile is about 50 megs total, so there
> is a delay to get that loaded.
>
> Should I put anything in the "Alternate DNS Server" box? Maybe 192.168.2.1
> or 127.0.0.1???
>
> On another note for using static IP addresses is that DHCP has been a
> problem because when ever I try to configure RRAS, just before the wizard
> is about to make changes it says that DHCP will be used to configure
> something. Maybe that is why I can't VPN into my Server, but not sure.
>
> If RRAS is only needed for VPN then I don't see a use for it. Maybe I can
> disable or delete it?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> D
>
>
>
> "Brian Cryer" <brianc@127.0.0.1.activesol.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OtfkSTBkIHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
>> news:9632B4A2-61D7-4952-BEB5-BEC98023FB45@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> Something else: since you are using static IP addresses can I confirm
>>>> that you are using the SBS server as your DNS server? If you are using
>>>> a router as your DNS server then you will get slow response times when
>>>> the pcs try to connect to the server (if they succeed at all).
>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> I am using the router as the the DNS server, 192.168.2.1
>>
>> That may well be your problem. Use your SBS server as your DNS server.
>>
>>> Workstation 1 is 192.168.2.2 and Workstation 2 is 192.16.2.3 and
>>> connected directly to the router.
>>>
>>> My SBS2003 is 192.168.2.16 and it also is connected directly to the
>>> router.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that on Workstation 1 & 2 I should change the "use the
>>> following DNS server from xxx.xxx.xxx.1 to xxx.xxx.xxx.16???
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> What about the Server itself?
>>
>> Be sure FIRST that the DNS service is correctly configured and working on
>> the server. Under Start > Administrative tools you should have DNS.
>> (There are probably other ways of getting to it, and there may well be a
>> wizard to configure it. I'm assuming its installed by default with SBS,
>> since I don't recall doing anything special to install it - but I could
>> be wrong.) Right click on your server and select properties, which will
>> let you edit all the pertinent properties of the SBS DNS server. Ensure
>> that on the "Forwarders" tab you have listed the IP address for your
>> router and/or the IP addresses that your router is using for its DNS.
>>
>> A simple way to test that its working properly is at the command prompt
>> to enter:
>> nslookup www.google.com 192.168.2.16
>> (given that 192.168.2.16 is the IP address of your server.) Also:
>> nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.16
>> where SERVERNAME is the name of your SBS server should return virtually
>> straight away, whereas I would expect
>> nslookup SERVERNAME 192.168.2.1
>> to fail, because your router probably has no way of determing the IP
>> address of your server.
>>
>> I think this will result in your login times reducing because your
>> workstations will now be able to connect to your server. I don't know
>> what the situation is otherwise, perhaps if DNS fails to resolve a name
>> the pcs might be using WINS or a broadcast to try to identify the IP
>> address of your server. Don't know. What I do know is that when I was
>> fiddling on my home network recently to troubleshoot a problem I had the
>> router as DHCP server not the SBS box and as a consequence it took an age
>> for pcs to login - the fact that the router was the DHCP server in itself
>> wasn't significant it was that the pcs were interrogating the router for
>> the IP address of my server which was failing.
>>
>> Hope this helps. Post back if anything isn't clear.
>> --
>> Brian Cryer
>> www.cryer.co.uk/brian
>>
>>
>>


Re: Slow Logon by VorDesigns

VorDesigns
Thu Mar 27 20:49:00 PDT 2008

"Russ (SBITS.Biz)" wrote:

> Well if you used the SBS as the DHCP server
> It will set the Primary DNS to the SBS box
> and Logins will be a LOT quicker.
:: I use a firewall to do this and point the DHCP client DNS at the SBS
server. All systems get their IP based on the MAC address and system without
a MAC address known to the firewall get nothing. That won't stop someone who
knows the subnet from hardcoding an IP but active LAN port connection can be
managed easily enough.
That being said, I note that Windows 2000 workstations have always seemed
sluggish at logon with Active Directory over NT4
> Any reason Why You can't use Static IP's on PC's?
> They are really the easiest way to go?
See above, easy enough to do with MAC address registration as I stated
before. With only two clients, it is still worth doing for simpler DNS
management.
>
> Russ
>
> --
>
> SBITS.Biz
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>
>
>
> -
>
> "-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
> news:32D5E29C-12F5-4D77-B8D5-079A62787A22@microsoft.com...
> > It seems that my 2 clients are experiencing slow logons. I am using folder
> > redirection (Desktop & Documents) only. I am using roaming profiles.
> >
> > Is there anything I can do via disabling DHCP (Client and/or Server
> > Service), that might help? We all use static IP addys and I don't know if
> > this could have an impact?
> >
> > Any other suggestions for things to look at?
> >
> >
> > D
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > For The Best Web Hosting Money Can Buy Go To:
> > http://www.serverpoint.com/1028.html
>
>
>

Re: Slow Logon by Russ

Russ
Thu Mar 27 21:25:59 PDT 2008

Do you often have people in your office that are connecting to the LAN and
hacking around?

Russ

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"VorDesigns" <VorDesigns@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:BC7B7B57-DE58-4092-9B50-A0A218C10D44@microsoft.com...
> "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" wrote:
>
>> Well if you used the SBS as the DHCP server
>> It will set the Primary DNS to the SBS box
>> and Logins will be a LOT quicker.
> :: I use a firewall to do this and point the DHCP client DNS at the SBS
> server. All systems get their IP based on the MAC address and system
> without
> a MAC address known to the firewall get nothing. That won't stop someone
> who
> knows the subnet from hardcoding an IP but active LAN port connection can
> be
> managed easily enough.
> That being said, I note that Windows 2000 workstations have always seemed
> sluggish at logon with Active Directory over NT4
>> Any reason Why You can't use Static IP's on PC's?
>> They are really the easiest way to go?
> See above, easy enough to do with MAC address registration as I stated
> before. With only two clients, it is still worth doing for simpler DNS
> management.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>> --
>>
>> SBITS.Biz
>> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
>> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
>> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
>> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
>> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> "-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
>> news:32D5E29C-12F5-4D77-B8D5-079A62787A22@microsoft.com...
>> > It seems that my 2 clients are experiencing slow logons. I am using
>> > folder
>> > redirection (Desktop & Documents) only. I am using roaming profiles.
>> >
>> > Is there anything I can do via disabling DHCP (Client and/or Server
>> > Service), that might help? We all use static IP addys and I don't know
>> > if
>> > this could have an impact?
>> >
>> > Any other suggestions for things to look at?
>> >
>> >
>> > D
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > For The Best Web Hosting Money Can Buy Go To:
>> > http://www.serverpoint.com/1028.html
>>
>>
>>



Re: Slow Logon by VorDesigns

VorDesigns
Thu Mar 27 22:18:00 PDT 2008

Asked to a security audit:
Walked into lobby of client site. Noted CAT5 connection near the waiting
area. Plugged in and inventoried network. poked around and gained access to
file server.
Ten minutes later I had what I needed but decided to see how far I could go.
shutdown, packed my bag and headed in. The nice lady in the second office
was kind enough to direct me to the server room.
Sat down and did a full audit of the servers, routeres switches and ran
speed tests on there Internet connection. Noted they had VPN access, created
a user with administrator access and VPN access. Packed up, said goodbye to
the nice lady on my way out. Went home wrote my report, pdf'd it and logged
into their network. copied the report onto the CEO's desk.
I'm worth every penny.

"Russ (SBITS.Biz)" wrote:

> Do you often have people in your office that are connecting to the LAN and
> hacking around?
>
> Russ
>
> --
>
> SBITS.Biz
> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
> World Wide Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
>
>
>
> -
>
> "VorDesigns" <VorDesigns@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:BC7B7B57-DE58-4092-9B50-A0A218C10D44@microsoft.com...
> > "Russ (SBITS.Biz)" wrote:
> >
> >> Well if you used the SBS as the DHCP server
> >> It will set the Primary DNS to the SBS box
> >> and Logins will be a LOT quicker.
> > :: I use a firewall to do this and point the DHCP client DNS at the SBS
> > server. All systems get their IP based on the MAC address and system
> > without
> > a MAC address known to the firewall get nothing. That won't stop someone
> > who
> > knows the subnet from hardcoding an IP but active LAN port connection can
> > be
> > managed easily enough.
> > That being said, I note that Windows 2000 workstations have always seemed
> > sluggish at logon with Active Directory over NT4
> >> Any reason Why You can't use Static IP's on PC's?
> >> They are really the easiest way to go?
> > See above, easy enough to do with MAC address registration as I stated
> > before. With only two clients, it is still worth doing for simpler DNS
> > management.
> >>
> >> Russ
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> SBITS.Biz
> >> Microsoft Gold Certified Partner
> >> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist.
> >> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, (MCP-SBS)
> >> North America Remote SBS2003 Support - http://www.SBITS.Biz
> >> Information on Small Business Server 2008 - http://www.sbs2008.com
> >> Information on Essentials Business Server - http://www.ebs2008.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >>
> >> "-Draino-" <guest@unknown.com> wrote in message
> >> news:32D5E29C-12F5-4D77-B8D5-079A62787A22@microsoft.com...
> >> > It seems that my 2 clients are experiencing slow logons. I am using
> >> > folder
> >> > redirection (Desktop & Documents) only. I am using roaming profiles.
> >> >
> >> > Is there anything I can do via disabling DHCP (Client and/or Server
> >> > Service), that might help? We all use static IP addys and I don't know
> >> > if
> >> > this could have an impact?
> >> >
> >> > Any other suggestions for things to look at?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > D
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For The Best Web Hosting Money Can Buy Go To:
> >> > http://www.serverpoint.com/1028.html
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>