Running SBS 2003 Premium, with Symantec Backup Exec ver. 12.
============
I am (mostly) satisfied with my backup product (my concern is that I
use tape - 50GB capacity 3.5 years ago seemed fine, but it's not
really enough anymore). Due to problems I've had in the last couple
months, I think it's imperative that I add ASR (from the install CD
process) and Symantec's IDR option into my backup strategy. My Dell
Poweredge 2800, however, came with a CD-R. I'd like to get a decent,
slightly-used external DVD/CD RW USB 2.0 burner to handle the above.
Lot's to choose from on Amazon and eBay, but I'd like to get some
opinions from this NG.

TIA,
Mike Webb
Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
a conservation non-profit (501(c)(3)) organization

Re: Need recommendation for "backup" backup device by Jim

Jim
Tue May 13 05:02:47 PDT 2008

I back up to either DLT tapes or USB hard drives using NTBackup. I
have restored a server from scratch in a few hours. I have no need for
third party utilities as they would just complicate the process. The
only exception my be Acronis or Storagecraft. You are trying to make
your disaster recovery process more difficult than it should be.

On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:30:33 -0700 (PDT), Mike_in_Nebraska
<mike_webb@whoopingcrane.org> wrote:

>Running SBS 2003 Premium, with Symantec Backup Exec ver. 12.
>============
>I am (mostly) satisfied with my backup product (my concern is that I
>use tape - 50GB capacity 3.5 years ago seemed fine, but it's not
>really enough anymore). Due to problems I've had in the last couple
>months, I think it's imperative that I add ASR (from the install CD
>process) and Symantec's IDR option into my backup strategy. My Dell
>Poweredge 2800, however, came with a CD-R. I'd like to get a decent,
>slightly-used external DVD/CD RW USB 2.0 burner to handle the above.
>Lot's to choose from on Amazon and eBay, but I'd like to get some
>opinions from this NG.
>
>TIA,
>Mike Webb
>Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
>a conservation non-profit (501(c)(3)) organization
See what SBS support is working on
http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx
Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer
http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx

Re: Need recommendation for "backup" backup device by Mike_in_Nebraska

Mike_in_Nebraska
Tue May 13 05:14:21 PDT 2008

On May 13, 7:02=A0am, Jim Behning SBS MVP
<jimbehn...@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
> I back up to either DLT tapes or USB hard drives using NTBackup. I
> have restored a server from scratch in a few hours. I have no need for
> third party utilities as they would just complicate the process. The
> only exception my be Acronis or Storagecraft. You are trying to make
> your disaster recovery process more difficult than it should be.
>
> On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:30:33 -0700 (PDT), Mike_in_Nebraska
>
>
>
>
>
> <mike_w...@whoopingcrane.org> wrote:
> >Running SBS 2003 Premium, with Symantec Backup Exec ver. 12.
> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >I am (mostly) satisfied with my backup product (my concern is that I
> >use tape - 50GB capacity 3.5 years ago seemed fine, but it's not
> >really enough anymore). =A0Due to problems I've had in the last couple
> >months, I think it's imperative that I add ASR (from the install CD
> >process) and Symantec's IDR option into my backup strategy. =A0My Dell
> >Poweredge 2800, however, came with a CD-R. =A0I'd like to get a decent,
> >slightly-used external DVD/CD RW USB 2.0 burner to handle the above.
> >Lot's to choose from on Amazon and eBay, but I'd like to get some
> >opinions from this NG.
>
> >TIA,
> >Mike Webb
> >Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
> >a conservation non-profit (501(c)(3)) organization
>
> See what SBS support is working onhttp://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.asp=
x
> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzerhttp://blogs.technet.co=
m/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Certainly possible. However, I have ~150 GB of user files and
folders, the OS, System State, SQL DB's, Information Store, etc. etc.
I know the tapes provide the graceful backup and restore, but I
thought the "snapshots" by ASR &/or IDR would get me backup in a hurry
so I could then restore what I needed to from tape.
Also, I've burned myself so badly these last few months that I'm "gun-
shy" about getting caught again.

Mike

Re: Need recommendation for "backup" backup device by Cliff

Cliff
Tue May 13 11:31:14 PDT 2008

ASR is definitely handy for a "bare metal" restore, but again, no need for a
third product. NTBackup does ASR just fine. I make a new one whenever I do
significant system changes (add/remove software, etc.) AD changes are
caught in the system state, so no need to refresh your ASR there.

With that said, I usually recommend an external cartridge-type drive.
Faster than CD or DVD, and more capacity too. Check out iomega's rev drive,
for example. They *just* bumped capacity again, and it is quite a nice
little product. I use it for both ASR and off-site backups for a few of my
clients. Hope that helps.

-Cliff


"Mike_in_Nebraska" <mike_webb@whoopingcrane.org> wrote in message
news:bab24fdc-1960-455d-965a-3ab49d85f2e8@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On May 13, 7:02 am, Jim Behning SBS MVP
> <jimbehn...@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
>> I back up to either DLT tapes or USB hard drives using NTBackup. I
>> have restored a server from scratch in a few hours. I have no need for
>> third party utilities as they would just complicate the process. The
>> only exception my be Acronis or Storagecraft. You are trying to make
>> your disaster recovery process more difficult than it should be.
>>
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:30:33 -0700 (PDT), Mike_in_Nebraska
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <mike_w...@whoopingcrane.org> wrote:
>> >Running SBS 2003 Premium, with Symantec Backup Exec ver. 12.
>> >============
>> >I am (mostly) satisfied with my backup product (my concern is that I
>> >use tape - 50GB capacity 3.5 years ago seemed fine, but it's not
>> >really enough anymore). Due to problems I've had in the last couple
>> >months, I think it's imperative that I add ASR (from the install CD
>> >process) and Symantec's IDR option into my backup strategy. My Dell
>> >Poweredge 2800, however, came with a CD-R. I'd like to get a decent,
>> >slightly-used external DVD/CD RW USB 2.0 burner to handle the above.
>> >Lot's to choose from on Amazon and eBay, but I'd like to get some
>> >opinions from this NG.
>>
>> >TIA,
>> >Mike Webb
>> >Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
>> >a conservation non-profit (501(c)(3)) organization
>>
>> See what SBS support is working
>> onhttp://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx
>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices
>> Analyzerhttp://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx- Hide
>> quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Certainly possible. However, I have ~150 GB of user files and
> folders, the OS, System State, SQL DB's, Information Store, etc. etc.
> I know the tapes provide the graceful backup and restore, but I
> thought the "snapshots" by ASR &/or IDR would get me backup in a hurry
> so I could then restore what I needed to from tape.
> Also, I've burned myself so badly these last few months that I'm "gun-
> shy" about getting caught again.
>
> Mike


Re: Need recommendation for "backup" backup device by Mike_in_Nebraska

Mike_in_Nebraska
Tue May 13 11:59:07 PDT 2008

On May 13, 1:31=A0pm, "Cliff Galiher" <cgali...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ASR is definitely handy for a "bare metal" restore, but again, no need for=
a
> third product. NTBackup does ASR just fine. =A0I make a new one whenever I=
do
> significant system changes (add/remove software, etc.) =A0AD changes are
> caught in the system state, so no need to refresh your ASR there.
>
> With that said, I usually recommend an external cartridge-type drive.
> Faster than CD or DVD, and more capacity too. =A0Check out iomega's rev dr=
ive,
> for example. =A0They *just* bumped capacity again, and it is quite a nice
> little product. =A0I use it for both ASR and off-site backups for a few of=
my
> clients. =A0Hope that helps.
>
> -Cliff
>
> "Mike_in_Nebraska" <mike_w...@whoopingcrane.org> wrote in message
>
> news:bab24fdc-1960-455d-965a-3ab49d85f2e8@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 13, 7:02 am, Jim Behning SBS MVP
> > <jimbehn...@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> I back up to either DLT tapes or USB hard drives using NTBackup. I
> >> have restored a server from scratch in a few hours. I have no need for
> >> third party utilities as they would just complicate the process. The
> >> only exception my be Acronis or Storagecraft. You are trying to make
> >> your disaster recovery process more difficult than it should be.
>
> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 02:30:33 -0700 (PDT), Mike_in_Nebraska
>
> >> <mike_w...@whoopingcrane.org> wrote:
> >> >Running SBS 2003 Premium, with Symantec Backup Exec ver. 12.
> >> >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> >> >I am (mostly) satisfied with my backup product (my concern is that I
> >> >use tape - 50GB capacity 3.5 years ago seemed fine, but it's not
> >> >really enough anymore). Due to problems I've had in the last couple
> >> >months, I think it's imperative that I add ASR (from the install CD
> >> >process) and Symantec's IDR option into my backup strategy. My Dell
> >> >Poweredge 2800, however, came with a CD-R. I'd like to get a decent,
> >> >slightly-used external DVD/CD RW USB 2.0 burner to handle the above.
> >> >Lot's to choose from on Amazon and eBay, but I'd like to get some
> >> >opinions from this NG.
>
> >> >TIA,
> >> >Mike Webb
> >> >Platte River Whooping Crane Maintenance Trust, Inc.
> >> >a conservation non-profit (501(c)(3)) organization
>
> >> See what SBS support is working
> >> onhttp://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx
> >> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices
> >> Analyzerhttp://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx-Hide=

> >> quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Certainly possible. =A0However, I have ~150 GB of user files and
> > folders, the OS, System State, SQL DB's, Information Store, etc. etc.
> > I know the tapes provide the graceful backup and restore, but I
> > thought the "snapshots" by ASR &/or IDR would get me backup in a hurry
> > so I could then restore what I needed to from tape.
> > Also, I've burned myself so badly these last few months that I'm "gun-
> > shy" about getting caught again.
>
> > Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Excellent, thanks! (I've never used NTBackup, so didn't know it could
do ASR - that's much handier than by boot to CD.)

Mike

Re: Need recommendation for "backup" backup device by Leythos

Leythos
Wed May 14 06:00:48 PDT 2008

In article <377a88fa-5ee5-4d51-a629-ce3a74a868c5
@s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, mike_webb@whoopingcrane.org says...
> Running SBS 2003 Premium, with Symantec Backup Exec ver. 12.
> ============
> I am (mostly) satisfied with my backup product (my concern is that I
> use tape - 50GB capacity 3.5 years ago seemed fine, but it's not
> really enough anymore). Due to problems I've had in the last couple
> months, I think it's imperative that I add ASR (from the install CD
> process) and Symantec's IDR option into my backup strategy. My Dell
> Poweredge 2800, however, came with a CD-R. I'd like to get a decent,
> slightly-used external DVD/CD RW USB 2.0 burner to handle the above.
> Lot's to choose from on Amazon and eBay, but I'd like to get some
> opinions from this NG.

SCSI or USB LTO-2 external or internal tape drives run about $950, tapes
about $26 each.

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Re: Need recommendation for "backup" backup device by Mike_in_Nebraska

Mike_in_Nebraska
Wed May 14 06:05:56 PDT 2008

On May 14, 8:00=A0am, Leythos <v...@nowhere.lan> wrote:
> In article <377a88fa-5ee5-4d51-a629-ce3a74a868c5
> @s33g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, mike_w...@whoopingcrane.org says...
>
> > Running SBS 2003 Premium, with Symantec Backup Exec ver. 12.
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > I am (mostly) satisfied with my backup product (my concern is that I
> > use tape - 50GB capacity 3.5 years ago seemed fine, but it's not
> > really enough anymore). =A0Due to problems I've had in the last couple
> > months, I think it's imperative that I add ASR (from the install CD
> > process) and Symantec's IDR option into my backup strategy. =A0My Dell
> > Poweredge 2800, however, came with a CD-R. =A0I'd like to get a decent,
> > slightly-used external DVD/CD RW USB 2.0 burner to handle the above.
> > Lot's to choose from on Amazon and eBay, but I'd like to get some
> > opinions from this NG.
>
> SCSI or USB LTO-2 external or internal tape drives run about $950, tapes
> about $26 each.
>
> --
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> =A0 drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999f...@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Thanks, that helps.

Re: Need recommendation for "backup" backup device by Medthump

Medthump
Mon May 19 08:48:54 PDT 2008

Try a Sony SCSI AIT-II Turbo drive or better (AIT-III, AIT IV, etc.)
The capacities, speed, and pricing increases as you move up. Even an
AIT-II Turbo is a huge difference over an AIT-II. Symantec BE 12 has
its own drivers for these drives.