Cris
Sat Mar 29 23:48:04 PDT 2008
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Guess you have to decide what's tolerable, or whats a tollerable expense =
(remember part of the expense is your time too)
--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
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Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Jim G" <Jim @ home.net> wrote in message =
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So, is it worth the trouble?
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net> wrote =
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Pricing is not listed on the Website because Vlad doesn't sell =
directly to=20
end users, only available throught VARs, System Integrators, etc, so =
prices=20
can somewhat vary
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Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
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MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"SuperGumby" <not@your.nellie> wrote in message=20
news:7E90DB9B-2E0C-4651-A433-88813F54900A@microsoft.com...
Nah Cris, not free, but a known cost, plainly stated on the dyndns =
site.
ExchDef has no indication of costs (last I looked), you must ask for a
quote.
Not quite the same as Jim but I also tend to use services I can most =
easily
establish the cost of, tending to ignore products (rather than simply
expecting unreasonable cost) which do not have easily available =
pricing
information.
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net> wrote =
in
message news:%23Jn3vOdkIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
I don't and none of my customers use external services, and our =
routers,
modems and servers are doing just fine.
And you're saying that MailHop Relay is free??
As far as I know, Exchange Defender is pretty reasonably priced
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Cris Hanna [SBS - MVP]
-----------------------------------------------------------
MVPs Do Not Work for Microsoft
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Jim G" <Jim @ home.net> wrote in message
news:eW9kQJTkIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I'm thinking that MailHop Relay will lessen the strain on my modem,
router,
and server by preventing a bunch of stuff from even coming in. =
According
to
the DynDNS site, MailHop Relay has: spam scanning and =
auto-discarding with
SpamAssassin (including user-configurable thresholds), Sender =
whitelisting
and blacklisting with pattern matching, Virus elimination with =
ClamAV, and
DNSBL filtering and discarding.
Isn't this basically what Vlad's Exchange Defender does? What does =
Vlad
charge? His site does not have a hint of pricing info. I tend to =
assume,
if
you have to ask, you probably can not afford it.
Jim
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net> wrote =
in
message news:uFfyvWRkIHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Are you proposing to use MailHop Relay in a hope to eliminate the =
rest of
it?
Spam is always going to be an issue...sounds like you've done a =
reasonably
good job if you're getting that much eliminated...probably better =
than
most
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Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
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Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
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Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Jim G" <Jim@work.org> wrote in message
news:OgOLsLQkIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
I can sign up for MailHop Relay from DynDNS for an additional $10 =
per
year,
per domain versus MailHop Backup MX. Is it worth the effort to stop =
using
port 25 and use an alternate port?
I have IMF and Trend working to eliminate approximately 99% =
(guestimate)
of
all offensive email. The volume of rejected email is considerable =
but I
have
not looked at it or measured it in a long while, so I don't really =
know.
I'm using my ISP as a SmartHost. Does that cause a problem with =
MailHop
Relay?
Jim G.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Guess you have to decide what's =
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<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna [SBS -=20
MVP]<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>MV=
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<DIV>"Jim G" <Jim @ home.net> wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:uODAu7gkIHA.1744@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl">news:uODAu7gkIHA.1744=
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>So,=20
is it worth the trouble?<BR><BR><BR>"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net">crisnospamhanna@cpu=
nospamservices.net</A>>=20
wrote in <BR>message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:OdtKpHekIHA.1052@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl">news:OdtKpHekIHA.1052=
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl</A>...<BR>Pricing=20
is not listed on the Website because Vlad doesn't sell directly to =
<BR>end=20
users, only available throught VARs, System Integrators, etc, so =
prices=20
<BR>can somewhat vary<BR><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna [SBS -=20
=
MVP]<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>MV=
Ps Do=20
Not Work for Microsoft<BR>Please do not contact me directly regarding=20
issues<BR>"SuperGumby" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:not@your.nellie">not@your.nellie</A>> wrote in =
message <BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:7E90DB9B-2E0C-4651-A433-88813F54900A@microsoft.com">news:7E9=
0DB9B-2E0C-4651-A433-88813F54900A@microsoft.com</A>...<BR>Nah=20
Cris, not free, but a known cost, plainly stated on the dyndns=20
site.<BR>ExchDef has no indication of costs (last I looked), you must =
ask for=20
a<BR>quote.<BR><BR>Not quite the same as Jim but I also tend to use =
services I=20
can most easily<BR>establish the cost of, tending to ignore products =
(rather=20
than simply<BR>expecting unreasonable cost) which do not have easily =
available=20
pricing<BR>information.<BR><BR>"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net">crisnospamhanna@cpu=
nospamservices.net</A>>=20
wrote in<BR>message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:%23Jn3vOdkIHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl">news:%23Jn3vOdkIHA.7=
48@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl</A>...<BR>I=20
don't and none of my customers use external services, and our=20
routers,<BR>modems and servers are doing just fine.<BR><BR>And you're =
saying=20
that MailHop Relay is free??<BR>As far as I know, Exchange Defender is =
pretty=20
reasonably priced<BR><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna [SBS -=20
=
MVP]<BR>-----------------------------------------------------------<BR>MV=
Ps Do=20
Not Work for Microsoft<BR>Please do not contact me directly regarding=20
issues<BR> "Jim G" <Jim @ home.net> wrote in message<BR><A =
=
href=3D"news:eW9kQJTkIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl">news:eW9kQJTkIHA.536@T=
K2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl</A>...<BR> =20
I'm thinking that MailHop Relay will lessen the strain on my=20
modem,<BR>router,<BR> and server by preventing a bunch of stuff =
from=20
even coming in. According<BR>to<BR> the DynDNS site, MailHop =
Relay has:=20
spam scanning and auto-discarding with<BR> SpamAssassin =
(including=20
user-configurable thresholds), Sender whitelisting<BR> and =
blacklisting=20
with pattern matching, Virus elimination with ClamAV, and<BR> =
DNSBL=20
filtering and discarding.<BR><BR> Isn't this basically what =
Vlad's=20
Exchange Defender does? What does Vlad<BR> charge? His site does =
not=20
have a hint of pricing info. I tend to assume,<BR>if<BR> you =
have to=20
ask, you probably can not afford it.<BR><BR> Jim<BR><BR> =
"Cris=20
Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net">crisnospamhanna@cpu=
nospamservices.net</A>>=20
wrote in<BR> message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:uFfyvWRkIHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl">news:uFfyvWRkIHA.4076=
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl</A>...<BR> =20
Are you proposing to use MailHop Relay in a hope to eliminate the rest =
of<BR> it?<BR> Spam is always going to be an =
issue...sounds like=20
you've done a reasonably<BR> good job if you're getting that =
much=20
eliminated...probably better than<BR>most<BR><BR> -- <BR> =
Cris=20
Hanna [SBS-MVP]<BR> =20
-------------------------------------------------<BR> Microsoft=20
MVPs<BR> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for =
MS)<BR> =20
Real World Answers<BR> =20
---------------------------------------------------------<BR> =
Please do=20
not contact me directly regarding issues<BR><BR> "Jim G" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Jim@work.org">Jim@work.org</A>> wrote in =
message<BR> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:OgOLsLQkIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl">news:OgOLsLQkIHA.536@T=
K2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl</A>...<BR> =20
I can sign up for MailHop Relay from DynDNS for an additional $10=20
per<BR>year,<BR> per domain versus MailHop Backup MX. Is it =
worth the=20
effort to stop using<BR> port 25 and use an alternate=20
port?<BR><BR> I have IMF and Trend working to eliminate =
approximately=20
99% (guestimate)<BR>of<BR> all offensive email. The volume of =
rejected=20
email is considerable but I<BR>have<BR> not looked at it or =
measured it=20
in a long while, so I don't really know.<BR><BR> I'm using my =
ISP as a=20
SmartHost. Does that cause a problem with MailHop<BR> =20
Relay?<BR><BR> Jim G. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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