Hi All,

Does anyone know what *technically* happens if you go over the 75
user/computer limit of SBS ?

Also, has anyone here applied the transition pack before (to a non-R2
system) ? If so how did it go?

I've been warned about having to remove IE7, uninstall Exchange SP2 and
a bunch of other nightmares that makes me want to delay installing the
Transition pack, and need to know what will happen..

Thanks,

Adrian

Re: Licensing on SBS.. that 75 limit by Adrian

Adrian
Tue May 06 05:55:37 PDT 2008

Adrian Marsh (NNTP) wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know what *technically* happens if you go over the 75
> user/computer limit of SBS ?
>
> Also, has anyone here applied the transition pack before (to a non-R2
> system) ? If so how did it go?
>
> I've been warned about having to remove IE7, uninstall Exchange SP2 and
> a bunch of other nightmares that makes me want to delay installing the
> Transition pack, and need to know what will happen..
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian

Forgot to add: I have called Microsoft Licensing on this.. Their stock
response is "you cant add more users" and "its a technical question..
you need to talk to technical support.. Hello? Oh - no support contract?
Sorry you cant talk to technical support". Argh!

Re: Licensing on SBS.. that 75 limit by Charlie

Charlie
Tue May 06 07:11:12 PDT 2008

Yes, I have applied the TP. There are no nightmares, it works just fine.
It's not an instant process, you need to do some preparation (as you would
have to for ANY major install/reconfiguration of your server!), but it
definitely works. There are several threads here about the TP in the last
week or so, please search and read them for details.

On question of what happens at 75 users? You stop being able to connect, I
believe. Honestly, I don't know since I've never come close to 75 active
users or devices.

My strong recommendation is to make the transitition well before you bump up
against the upper limits. One solution that may be of interest is to look at
moving to Essential Business Server. It's not shipping yet, but getting
close, and will provide a smooth transition to an environment that is a
natural extension of what's been done in SBS, while giving you the ability
to grow your business up to the 250 user/device range. But, of course, it
does require three servers.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <adrian.marsh@_removeme_ubiquisys.com> wrote in
message news:OooPYg3rIHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know what *technically* happens if you go over the 75
> user/computer limit of SBS ?
>
> Also, has anyone here applied the transition pack before (to a non-R2
> system) ? If so how did it go?
>
> I've been warned about having to remove IE7, uninstall Exchange SP2 and a
> bunch of other nightmares that makes me want to delay installing the
> Transition pack, and need to know what will happen..
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian


Re: Licensing on SBS.. that 75 limit by Cris

Cris
Tue May 06 07:18:41 PDT 2008

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It will deny access to more than 75 users/connections assuming you have =
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Regarding the transition pack, there have been several threads in the =
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Search this newgroup for transition pack and Charlie (watch the spelling =
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> Hi All,
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> Also, has anyone here applied the transition pack before (to a non-R2 =

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> Adrian

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Re: Licensing on SBS.. that 75 limit by leew

leew
Tue May 06 07:14:05 PDT 2008

Adrian Marsh (NNTP) wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know what *technically* happens if you go over the 75
> user/computer limit of SBS ?
>
> Also, has anyone here applied the transition pack before (to a non-R2
> system) ? If so how did it go?
>
> I've been warned about having to remove IE7, uninstall Exchange SP2 and
> a bunch of other nightmares that makes me want to delay installing the
> Transition pack, and need to know what will happen..
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adrian


I have not yet had to apply the transition pack for a client. I can say
with reasonable certainty that you will not be permitted more than 75
connections to the server after a relatively short time. I have had
clients with more connections than licenses and after a week or two, it
starts denying users over the limit the ability to connect to the server.

Re: Licensing on SBS.. that 75 limit by Adrian

Adrian
Tue May 06 07:52:38 PDT 2008

Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
> Yes, I have applied the TP. There are no nightmares, it works just fine.
> It's not an instant process, you need to do some preparation (as you
> would have to for ANY major install/reconfiguration of your server!),
> but it definitely works. There are several threads here about the TP in
> the last week or so, please search and read them for details.
>
> On question of what happens at 75 users? You stop being able to connect,
> I believe. Honestly, I don't know since I've never come close to 75
> active users or devices.
>
> My strong recommendation is to make the transitition well before you
> bump up against the upper limits. One solution that may be of interest
> is to look at moving to Essential Business Server. It's not shipping
> yet, but getting close, and will provide a smooth transition to an
> environment that is a natural extension of what's been done in SBS,
> while giving you the ability to grow your business up to the 250
> user/device range. But, of course, it does require three servers.
>

Thanks Charlie.. I'll definitly check the threads.

With regards to the 75... I've been pushing for the Trans pack for 6
months... :(

Any idea what counts as a "connection" ? Would that just be File handles
/printers or Exchange too??

Adrian

Re: Licensing on SBS.. that 75 limit by Charlie

Charlie
Tue May 06 10:25:47 PDT 2008

any of those count as a connection.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <adrian.marsh@_removeme_ubiquisys.com> wrote in
message news:uvq%23Vj4rIHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
>> Yes, I have applied the TP. There are no nightmares, it works just fine.
>> It's not an instant process, you need to do some preparation (as you
>> would have to for ANY major install/reconfiguration of your server!), but
>> it definitely works. There are several threads here about the TP in the
>> last week or so, please search and read them for details.
>>
>> On question of what happens at 75 users? You stop being able to connect,
>> I believe. Honestly, I don't know since I've never come close to 75
>> active users or devices.
>>
>> My strong recommendation is to make the transitition well before you bump
>> up against the upper limits. One solution that may be of interest is to
>> look at moving to Essential Business Server. It's not shipping yet, but
>> getting close, and will provide a smooth transition to an environment
>> that is a natural extension of what's been done in SBS, while giving you
>> the ability to grow your business up to the 250 user/device range. But,
>> of course, it does require three servers.
>>
>
> Thanks Charlie.. I'll definitly check the threads.
>
> With regards to the 75... I've been pushing for the Trans pack for 6
> months... :(
>
> Any idea what counts as a "connection" ? Would that just be File handles
> /printers or Exchange too??
>
> Adrian


Re: Licensing on SBS.. that 75 limit by Cliff

Cliff
Wed May 07 18:15:23 PDT 2008

Handled at the network level, not file-lock level. Don't forget that every
time a machine powers up, it connects to SBS to get group policy updates.
Every time a user logs in, the same. This all is handled by various
services (most notably netlogon) that won't show up as a "filehandle" so to
speak. So yes, that 75 is pretty reliably hard to circumvent.

-Cliff


"Adrian Marsh (NNTP)" <adrian.marsh@_removeme_ubiquisys.com> wrote in
message news:uvq#Vj4rIHA.3616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
>> Yes, I have applied the TP. There are no nightmares, it works just fine.
>> It's not an instant process, you need to do some preparation (as you
>> would have to for ANY major install/reconfiguration of your server!), but
>> it definitely works. There are several threads here about the TP in the
>> last week or so, please search and read them for details.
>>
>> On question of what happens at 75 users? You stop being able to connect,
>> I believe. Honestly, I don't know since I've never come close to 75
>> active users or devices.
>>
>> My strong recommendation is to make the transitition well before you bump
>> up against the upper limits. One solution that may be of interest is to
>> look at moving to Essential Business Server. It's not shipping yet, but
>> getting close, and will provide a smooth transition to an environment
>> that is a natural extension of what's been done in SBS, while giving you
>> the ability to grow your business up to the 250 user/device range. But,
>> of course, it does require three servers.
>>
>
> Thanks Charlie.. I'll definitly check the threads.
>
> With regards to the 75... I've been pushing for the Trans pack for 6
> months... :(
>
> Any idea what counts as a "connection" ? Would that just be File handles
> /printers or Exchange too??
>
> Adrian