Cris
Thu Aug 14 08:01:03 PDT 2008
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SBS 2008 is not a production server since it only RC1...its my test =
server and I'm the only user...so there was no "migration" as such
SBS 2008 does include the option during installation, to install fresh =
or to perform a migration installation, which allows you to introduce it =
into an existing SBS 2003 organizations.
--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
Co-Author, Windows Small Business Server 2008 Unleashed=20
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Small-Business-Server-Unleashed/dp/06723295=
73/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dbooks&qid=3D1217269967&sr=3D8-1
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
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Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Sann" <Sann@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message =
news:19118D7F-6331-44AF-A64B-58E77F8F43B2@microsoft.com...
Thanks a lot for your advices and information - will start =
experimenting....
btw, a quick side question to Cris: how did you move your users to =
SBS2008:=20
using migration tool in exchange or csv, ldi tools? I'm asking this =
question=20
in responce to your suggestion to bump the RAM to 4 GB. I'm installing a =
new=20
server hardware: 2x4 proc-s, 4 GB, RAID 10 on SAS, etc...
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> And if you only have 2GB of RAM, RAM is cheap!! bump it to 4GB
>=20
> And my spam has dropped so much using SBS 2008 RC1 it's a non-issue =
any more
>=20
> --=20
> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
> -------------------------------------------------
> Microsoft MVPs
> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
> Real World Answers
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
>=20
> "Cliff Galiher" <cgaliher@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:Bfmdnb4hrr4v1z7VnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> Sann:
>=20
> Try these things, in this order:
>=20
> 1) Enable recipient filtering and only accept messages from users in =
AD.=20
> The most common reason for ridiculously long connection times is a =
spambot=20
> trying to do a directory harvest. Since exchange defaults to accepting =
> *everything* at connect time and rejecting later, you end up with the =
bot=20
> just sending name after name to the server and never getting a =
rejection.=20
> It has no reason to disconnect.
>=20
> 2) Once recipient filtering is enabled, you will actually be exposed =
to a=20
> directory harvest attack instead of exchange just accepting =
everything. So,=20
> you should enable tarpitting. This is the point you should see those=20
> connections drop down.
>=20
> 3) IF, after a week, you are still seeing some connections, try =
*DISABLING*=20
> SenderID filtering on the Virtual SMTP server. There is a bug in one =
of the=20
> SenderID dll's that can falsely hold open connections. MS has quietly =
> acknowledged its existence, but has not come clean yet (to my =
knowledge)=20
> what the exact parameters are that cause this behavior. It is not=20
> consistent in my experience. Some servers have it, some don't exhibit =
it at=20
> all. And I'm told that it is fixed in Exchange 2007. I haven't seen =
it=20
> surface on 2007 yet myself, so I'm inclined to believe them...but then =
> again, SBS 2008 isn't released yet....so it could be an odd =
interaction=20
> there.
>=20
> To answer your other questions, the SMTP stack does seem to lock up =
with=20
> these long connections. That is the reason that 'terminate all' does =
not=20
> resolve the problem AND why the SMTP service stops responding if you =
try to=20
> restart it. You do *not* need to restart the server, however.
>=20
> From the command line, you can run this command:
>=20
> sc queryex smtpsvc
>=20
> And in the output, find the process ID (PID). Once you have the PID, =
you=20
> can kill the process in task manager (usually an inetinfo process, =
which is=20
> why it is so tough to find.) From there, the process is flushed =
completely=20
> from memory and can be restarted without problem.
>=20
> -Cliff
>=20
> "Sann" <Sann@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message=20
> news:6894EB2A-E7E0-4AD7-B799-446E28719BFC@microsoft.com...
> > Hello Cris, thank you for your prompt reply.
> >
> > dual core 2.8 GHz with 2 GB memory.
> > the memory usage averages about 1,5 GB at all times.
> >
> > Yes, I have installed SP 2 and all latest updates released after, =
with IMF
> > and enabled on SMTP.
> >
> > "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> First question is...
> >> How much RAM in the Server?
> >>
> >> Second Question is
> >> Do you have Exchange Server 2003 Service Pack 2 installed and IMF=20
> >> configured for connection filtering against recognized blacklist=20
> >> providers?
> >>
> >> --=20
> >> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
> >> -------------------------------------------------
> >> Microsoft MVPs
> >> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
> >> Real World Answers
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
> >>
> >> "Sann" <Sann@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message=20
> >> news:12FBED5A-99AC-4821-BB29-5602036459BF@microsoft.com...
> >> SBS Exchange 2003: too many "Current Sessions" opened
> >> Hello All,
> >>
> >> Sometimes (usually it happens over weekends) my Exchange 2003 would =
stop
> >> receiving external emails because of many active "Curresnt =
Sessions" and=20
> >> here
> >> is why: our organization isn't big, so I lowered the "Limit number =
of
> >> connections to:" parameter to 50 (it is done to fight the spam).
> >>
> >> Now when somebody reports that he or she is not getting any =
"outside"
> >> emails, I go to Exchange System Manager -> Servers ->=20
> >> <server> ->Protocols ->
> >> SMTP -> Default SMTP Virtual Server - > Current Sessions and I see =
a=20
> >> bunch of
> >> ..br, .it, .ar, OHIOIJHOJOJI, etc, user names with connected times=20
> >> 98353566,
> >> 43543543, 3453453 seconds, or in another words with endless =
connection=20
> >> times.
> >>
> >> I understand, that once the exchange reaches the number of =
connections of
> >> 50, it stops accepting new connections, stops receiving emails and =
here=20
> >> is my
> >> qustions:
> >> 1. Why the "Terminate All" command doesn't remedy the problem with =
email=20
> >> flow?
> >> As the second option, I try to restart SMTP service, but it freezes =
in a
> >> stopping mode leaving me with only one option to restart entire =
server.=20
> >> (BTW,
> >> I've also noticed that it feezes after I update IMF filter and I =
need to
> >> restart the server)
> >> 2. what are those connections and how to protect Exchange from =
them?
> >>
> >> Any advise will be greatly appreciated=20
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SBS 2008 is not a production server =
since it only=20
RC1...its my test server and I'm the only user...so there was no =
"migration" as=20
such</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SBS 2008 does include the option during =
installation, to install fresh or to perform a migration installation, =
which=20
allows you to introduce it into an existing SBS 2003 =
organizations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]</DIV>
<DIV>Co-Author, <SPAN id=3DbtAsinTitle>Windows Small Business Server =
2008=20
Unleashed </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><A=20
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World=20
Answers<BR>---------------------------------------------------------<BR>P=
lease=20
do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR></DIV>
<DIV>"Sann" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Sann@discussions.microsoft.com">Sann@discussions.microsoft=
.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
href=3D"news:19118D7F-6331-44AF-A64B-58E77F8F43B2@microsoft.com">news:191=
18D7F-6331-44AF-A64B-58E77F8F43B2@microsoft.com</A>...</DIV>Thanks=20
a lot for your advices and information - will start=20
experimenting....<BR><BR>btw, a quick side question to Cris: how did you =
move=20
your users to SBS2008: <BR>using migration tool in exchange or csv, ldi =
tools?=20
I'm asking this question <BR>in responce to your suggestion to bump the =
RAM to 4=20
GB. I'm installing a new <BR>server hardware: 2x4 proc-s, 4 GB, RAID 10 =
on SAS,=20
etc...<BR><BR>"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:<BR><BR>> And if you only =
have 2GB=20
of RAM, RAM is cheap!! bump it to 4GB<BR>> <BR>> And =
my spam=20
has dropped so much using SBS 2008 RC1 it's a non-issue any =
more<BR>>=20
<BR>> -- <BR>> Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]<BR>>=20
-------------------------------------------------<BR>> Microsoft=20
MVPs<BR>> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)<BR>> =
Real=20
World Answers<BR>>=20
---------------------------------------------------------<BR>> Please =
do not=20
contact me directly regarding issues<BR>> <BR>> "Cliff Galiher" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:cgaliher@gmail.com">cgaliher@gmail.com</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
href=3D"news:Bfmdnb4hrr4v1z7VnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@bresnan.com">news:Bfmdnb4hr=
r4v1z7VnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@bresnan.com</A>...<BR>>=20
Sann:<BR>> <BR>> Try these things, in this order:<BR>> <BR>> =
1)=20
Enable recipient filtering and only accept messages from users in AD. =
<BR>>=20
The most common reason for ridiculously long connection times is a =
spambot=20
<BR>> trying to do a directory harvest. Since exchange defaults to =
accepting=20
<BR>> *everything* at connect time and rejecting later, you end up =
with the=20
bot <BR>> just sending name after name to the server and never =
getting a=20
rejection. <BR>> It has no reason to disconnect.<BR>> <BR>> 2) =
Once=20
recipient filtering is enabled, you will actually be exposed to a =
<BR>>=20
directory harvest attack instead of exchange just accepting =
everything. =20
So, <BR>> you should enable tarpitting. This is the point you =
should=20
see those <BR>> connections drop down.<BR>> <BR>> 3) IF, after =
a week,=20
you are still seeing some connections, try *DISABLING* <BR>> SenderID =
filtering on the Virtual SMTP server. There is a bug in one of the =
<BR>> SenderID dll's that can falsely hold open connections. MS =
has=20
quietly <BR>> acknowledged its existence, but has not come clean yet =
(to my=20
knowledge) <BR>> what the exact parameters are that cause this=20
behavior. It is not <BR>> consistent in my experience. =
Some=20
servers have it, some don't exhibit it at <BR>> all. And I'm =
told that=20
it is fixed in Exchange 2007. I haven't seen it <BR>> surface =
on 2007=20
yet myself, so I'm inclined to believe them...but then <BR>> again, =
SBS 2008=20
isn't released yet....so it could be an odd interaction <BR>> =
there.<BR>>=20
<BR>> To answer your other questions, the SMTP stack does seem to =
lock up=20
with <BR>> these long connections. That is the reason that =
'terminate=20
all' does not <BR>> resolve the problem AND why the SMTP service =
stops=20
responding if you try to <BR>> restart it. You do *not* need to =
restart=20
the server, however.<BR>> <BR>> From the command line, you can run =
this=20
command:<BR>> <BR>> sc queryex smtpsvc<BR>> <BR>> And in the =
output,=20
find the process ID (PID). Once you have the PID, you <BR>> can =
kill=20
the process in task manager (usually an inetinfo process, which is =
<BR>> why=20
it is so tough to find.) From there, the process is flushed =
completely=20
<BR>> from memory and can be restarted without problem.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
-Cliff<BR>> <BR>> "Sann" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Sann@discussions.microsoft.com">Sann@discussions.microsoft=
.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <BR>> <A=20
href=3D"news:6894EB2A-E7E0-4AD7-B799-446E28719BFC@microsoft.com">news:689=
4EB2A-E7E0-4AD7-B799-446E28719BFC@microsoft.com</A>...<BR>>=20
> Hello Cris, thank you for your prompt reply.<BR>> ><BR>> =
> dual=20
core 2.8 GHz with 2 GB memory.<BR>> > the memory usage averages =
about 1,5=20
GB at all times.<BR>> ><BR>> > Yes, I have installed SP 2 =
and all=20
latest updates released after, with IMF<BR>> > and enabled on=20
SMTP.<BR>> ><BR>> > "Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" wrote:<BR>>=20
><BR>> >> First question is...<BR>> >> How much RAM =
in the=20
Server?<BR>> >><BR>> >> Second Question is<BR>> =
>> Do=20
you have Exchange Server 2003 Service Pack 2 installed and IMF <BR>> =
>>=20
configured for connection filtering against recognized blacklist =
<BR>>=20
>> providers?<BR>> >><BR>> >> -- <BR>> =
>> Cris=20
Hanna [SBS-MVP]<BR>> >>=20
-------------------------------------------------<BR>> >> =
Microsoft=20
MVPs<BR>> >> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for=20
MS)<BR>> >> Real World Answers<BR>> >>=20
---------------------------------------------------------<BR>> =
>>=20
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
>> "Sann" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:Sann@discussions.microsoft.com">Sann@discussions.microsoft=
.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <BR>> >> <A=20
href=3D"news:12FBED5A-99AC-4821-BB29-5602036459BF@microsoft.com">news:12F=
BED5A-99AC-4821-BB29-5602036459BF@microsoft.com</A>...<BR>>=20
>> SBS Exchange 2003: too many "Current Sessions" opened<BR>> =
>>=20
Hello All,<BR>> >><BR>> >> Sometimes (usually it =
happens over=20
weekends) my Exchange 2003 would stop<BR>> >> receiving =
external emails=20
because of many active "Curresnt Sessions" and <BR>> >> =
here<BR>>=20
>> is why: our organization isn't big, so I lowered the "Limit =
number=20
of<BR>> >> connections to:" parameter to 50 (it is done to =
fight the=20
spam).<BR>> >><BR>> >> Now when somebody reports that =
he or=20
she is not getting any "outside"<BR>> >> emails, I go to =
Exchange=20
System Manager -> Servers -> <BR>> >> <server>=20
->Protocols -><BR>> >> SMTP -> Default SMTP Virtual =
Server -=20
> Current Sessions and I see a <BR>> >> bunch of<BR>> =
>>=20
..br, .it, .ar, OHIOIJHOJOJI, etc, user names with connected times =
<BR>>=20
>> 98353566,<BR>> >> 43543543, 3453453 seconds, or in =
another=20
words with endless connection <BR>> >> times.<BR>> =
>><BR>>=20
>> I understand, that once the exchange reaches the number of =
connections=20
of<BR>> >> 50, it stops accepting new connections, stops =
receiving=20
emails and here <BR>> >> is my<BR>> >> =
qustions:<BR>>=20
>> 1. Why the "Terminate All" command doesn't remedy the problem =
with=20
email <BR>> >> flow?<BR>> >> As the second option, I =
try to=20
restart SMTP service, but it freezes in a<BR>> >> stopping mode =
leaving=20
me with only one option to restart entire server. <BR>> >>=20
(BTW,<BR>> >> I've also noticed that it feezes after I =
update IMF=20
filter and I need to<BR>> >> restart the server)<BR>> =
>> 2.=20
what are those connections and how to protect Exchange from =
them?<BR>>=20
>><BR>> >> Any advise will be greatly appreciated=20
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