Cris
Wed May 07 13:49:43 PDT 2008
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Typical scenarios for a second Exchange Server are remote locations, but =
with Outlook Anywhere (outlook over http) even that's not necessary
You'll see that the SBS development team doesn't put a lot of thought =
into this scenario:
http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2007/01/sbs-doesnt-have-to-be-your-only-server.=
html
Q: Gday mate, how do you run 2 exchange servers in SBS 2003? the link =
you posted is a link to normal clustering, are you suggesting that we =
build an exchange cluster based on the SBS version? Sounds like an =
overly complex work around (is it a supported MS configuration for =
support purposes?) to what is supposed to be a cost effective small =
business solution.
A: "To be honest, the SBS team doesn't test this scenario a heck of a =
lot, since it's unusual for a small busines to want to fork out the cash =
for an additional Windows Server, and a full blown Exchange 2003 server, =
plus all the CALs.=20
Due to the cost, we haven't really tested this scenario, nor invested in =
it.=20
Having said that, we won't have blocked the scenario, and it should =
function just the same as if you had two exchange servers. I don't have =
any good data that I can pass along, so you'll have to test out your =
Internet searching skills. :o)"
--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Ken Sheppard" <ksheppard31@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:uewISAIsIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Thanks for your reply, Chris. Honestly, it's not the money. The =
partners at the client want a dedicted Exchange server.
I know that my SBS wizards will break related to Exchange, but can't I =
simply add the new Exchange server and set the SBS Exchange as the =
perimeter Exchange server with all of the IS hosted on the dedicated =
Exchange server. Somewhat of a cluster or replication partner with =
Exchange.
I have looked at the new Essential Business Server, but I cannot wait. =
Plus, it's been my experience that Microsoft NEVER releases a product =
when they say they will release a product.
Thanks.
Ken
"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net> wrote =
in message news:%23BLKx4HsIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
While you could install a second, standard Exchange Server in an SBS =
environment, not sure what the value would be
Because you are not at R2 for SBS, you would also have to buy cals =
for it.
Are you proposing to stop using the Exchange in SBS? You realize =
you'd be breaking wizards, etc.
At that point you'd be better with the transition pack
Or return the transition pack and wait 6 months or so for Essential =
Business Server 2008 (SBS 's Big Brother), which also has lots of =
automation, wizards, etc and allows up to 300 desktops. But it does =
require 3 64 bit servers (Exchange 2007 is 64 bit only and two servers =
have this piece.
--=20
Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]
-------------------------------------------------
Microsoft MVPs
Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)
Real World Answers
---------------------------------------------------------
Please do not contact me directly regarding issues
"Ken Sheppard" <ksheppard31@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:8FB18E45-4238-4FD8-8E56-E53428898EAD@microsoft.com...
I'm currently running SBS 2003 Premium (not R2). We have 65 SBS =
CALs, so=20
we're getting closer to the 75 limit. We have just recently =
purchased the=20
SBS 2003 Premium Transition Pack and upgrade CALs, but we have not =
actually=20
performed the transition install yet.
My question is can we legally install Exchange 2003 on another =
member server=20
running Windows 2003 R2 server? I have ordered the Exchange 2003 =
CD/DVD=20
media to go along with my Transition Packs. It seems like I'm =
covered both=20
ways, but these licensing questions are way, way above my =
paygrade.
And the reason we have not actually installed the Transition Pack =
yet is=20
because we don't currently need it. The sole reason we purchased =
it was=20
because the older SKUs for pre-R2 SBS Transitions Packs are =
discontinued and=20
hard to locate. I listened to a podcast related to the SBS =
Transition Pack=20
install process and it addressed not actually installing the =
TP--it implied=20
that you simply needed to purchase it to be in compliance.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Ken=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Typical scenarios for a second Exchange =
Server are=20
remote locations, but with Outlook Anywhere (outlook over http) even =
that's not=20
necessary</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You'll see that the SBS development =
team doesn't=20
put a lot of thought into this scenario:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"
http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2007/01/sbs-doesnt-have-to-be-your-only=
-server.html">
http://sbs.seandaniel.com/2007/01/sbs-doesnt-have-to-be-you=
r-only-server.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Q: Gday mate, how do you run 2 =
exchange=20
servers in SBS 2003? the link you posted is a link to normal clustering, =
are you=20
suggesting that we build an exchange cluster based on the SBS version? =
Sounds=20
like an overly complex work around (is it a supported MS configuration =
for=20
support purposes?) to what is supposed to be a cost effective small =
business=20
solution.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>A: "To be honest, the SBS team doesn't test this scenario a =
heck of a=20
lot, since it's unusual for a small busines to want to fork out the cash =
for an=20
additional Windows Server, and a full blown Exchange 2003 server, plus =
all the=20
CALs. <BR><BR>Due to the cost, we haven't really tested this scenario, =
nor=20
invested in it. <BR><BR>Having said that, we won't have blocked the =
scenario,=20
and it should function just the same as if you had two exchange servers. =
I don't=20
have any good data that I can pass along, so you'll have to test out =
your=20
Internet searching skills. :o)"</P></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna=20
[SBS-MVP]<BR>-------------------------------------------------<BR>Microso=
ft=20
MVPs<BR> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)<BR>Real =
World=20
Answers<BR>---------------------------------------------------------<BR>P=
lease=20
do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"Ken Sheppard" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ksheppard31@hotmail.com">ksheppard31@hotmail.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:uewISAIsIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl">news:uewISAIsIHA.1240=
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your reply, Chris. =
Honestly,=20
it's not the money. The partners at the client want a dedicted =
Exchange=20
server.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know that my SBS wizards will break =
related to=20
Exchange, but can't I simply add the new Exchange server and set the =
SBS=20
Exchange as the perimeter Exchange server with all of the IS hosted on =
the=20
dedicated Exchange server. Somewhat of a cluster or replication =
partner=20
with Exchange.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have looked at the new Essential =
Business=20
Server, but I cannot wait. Plus, it's been my experience that =
Microsoft=20
NEVER releases a product when they say they will release a=20
product.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ken</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Cris Hanna [SBS-MVP]" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:crisnospamhanna@cpunospamservices.net">crisnospamhanna@cpu=
nospamservices.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:%23BLKx4HsIHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl">news:%23BLKx4HsIHA.=
1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>While you could install a second, =
standard=20
Exchange Server in an SBS environment, not sure what the value would =
be</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Because you are not at R2 for SBS, =
you would=20
also have to buy cals for it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are you proposing to stop using the =
Exchange in=20
SBS? You realize you'd be breaking wizards, =
etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At that point you'd be better with =
the=20
transition pack</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Or return the transition pack and =
wait 6 months=20
or so for Essential Business Server 2008 (SBS 's Big Brother), which =
also=20
has lots of automation, wizards, etc and allows up to 300=20
desktops. But it does require 3 64 bit servers (Exchange =
2007 is=20
64 bit only and two servers have this piece.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Cris Hanna=20
=
[SBS-MVP]<BR>-------------------------------------------------<BR>Microso=
ft=20
MVPs<BR> Independent Experts (MVPs do not work for MS)<BR>Real =
World=20
=
Answers<BR>---------------------------------------------------------<BR>P=
lease=20
do not contact me directly regarding issues<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Ken Sheppard" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ksheppard31@hotmail.com">ksheppard31@hotmail.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:8FB18E45-4238-4FD8-8E56-E53428898EAD@microsoft.com">news:8FB=
18E45-4238-4FD8-8E56-E53428898EAD@microsoft.com</A>...</DIV>I'm=20
currently running SBS 2003 Premium (not R2). We have 65 SBS =
CALs, so=20
<BR>we're getting closer to the 75 limit. We have just =
recently=20
purchased the <BR>SBS 2003 Premium Transition Pack and upgrade =
CALs, but=20
we have not actually <BR>performed the transition install =
yet.<BR><BR>My=20
question is can we legally install Exchange 2003 on another member =
server=20
<BR>running Windows 2003 R2 server? I have ordered the =
Exchange 2003=20
CD/DVD <BR>media to go along with my Transition Packs. It =
seems like=20
I'm covered both <BR>ways, but these licensing questions are way, =
way=20
above my paygrade.<BR><BR>And the reason we have not actually =
installed=20
the Transition Pack yet is <BR>because we don't currently need =
it. =20
The sole reason we purchased it was <BR>because the older SKUs for =
pre-R2=20
SBS Transitions Packs are discontinued and <BR>hard to =
locate. I=20
listened to a podcast related to the SBS Transition Pack =
<BR>install=20
process and it addressed not actually installing the TP--it =
implied=20
<BR>that you simply needed to purchase it to be in=20
compliance.<BR><BR>Thanks for any suggestions.<BR><BR>Ken=20
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