iPAQ 210/iPAQ 211 after 1 week of use

Note: the box says "HP iPAQ 210" but under the battery of the device it says
"211".

The positive features I've found with the iPAQ 211 are:

1. The screen resolution is great and once you view an Internet page in
"High Resolution" you will probably be hooked on that feature just like I
am. But sadly enough, the pages would probably look ever better with WM6.1
on the 211.

2. It has a fairly fast processor and I haven't found anything that I use
that can slow it down yet.

3. The "iPAQ File Store" maintains it's memory even after a "Clear memory."
This makes it a lot easier to reinstall your programs when you start over
again which you will probably do a lot when you are testing things out.

4. If you have a cell phone with WM5 it will use that for it's Internet
Connection via DUN and you will not need to use the "Bluetooth Phone
Manager" ever or the "Bluetooth Manager" a second time after it has been
setup once. As neat as that is, that feature is nothing new and it is just
the way BT DUN worked before Microsoft started to phase it out.


Now for the "Quirks" I've found in one week:

Quirk #1
It only has one port that can be used for a BT GPS and you can't use the
setting under "External GPS" to share that port either. If you want to use
a GPS program for verbal directions and one GPS program for a "Satellite
view" at the same time don't plan on it. It would have been neat if HP
could have just added a GPS to the 211 themselves since you will find a lot
of new devices come with GPS built in.

Quirk #2
The Bluetooth manager has a few issues.

1. For some reason, after a "reset" and after a "clear memory" the "iPAQ
Wireless" would not display anything about the Bluetooth. The only option I
would see is the option for "WLAN." I had to recover from that glitch with
a "Clear memory." If this happens again, I might exchange this unit
thinking it is something particular to this unit.

2. I haven't tracked down what is causing this but under "Bluetooth
Settings->Accessibility" it will change from "All devices" to "Paired
devices only" all by itself. Where this is a problem is adding a new
device. But that particular problem is pretty obvious something has changed
when it doesn't ask for a passcode on a new device and the "new device"
fails to work properly.

3. If you scan for new devices, it will not always show everything that
device has to offer.
a. I've found that if a device is "High Quality Audio" and "Hands-free" you
have to run a second scan of BT devices specifically for "Hand-free" to find
the "Hands-free."
b. If a device is a "Network Access Point" and "FTP" you have to run a
second scan of BT devices specifically to "Browse files on a remote device"
to use the FTP service.

4. If you are using a WM6 device for the internet use the built in "Network
Access Point" and stay away from using PDANET. If you use the BT DUN with
PDANET it will work once and never again despite what you try. The only way
I've found to correct that issue is to "Clear memory" and start over. Just
restarting everything or deleting everything and reinstalling items does not
help.

Quirk #3
This is specific to the Slingbox software. The maximum resolution for the
Slingplayer is only 320x240 and ends up looking bad on the iPAQ 211. It
still looks OK but I think the "Slingbox" player looks a lot better on a
device that is only 320x240.

Quirk #4
No way to turn the device completely off despite what the manual on HP.COM
says about holding the power button down:

1. If you hold the power button down it will turn itself back on as soon as
you let up on the power button.

2. If you quickly depress the power button it will simply put it into
"hibernate" mode and come back where it left off when you tap the power
button again..

3. If shut down all the programs, tap the power button and then take the
battery out and put the battery back in it will start all over as if you hit
the reset button on the side.

While I can understand why they want it to be instant on for people that
want it that way. What if someone doesn't use it all the time and wants to
shut it completely off?

----------

I'm sure I will probably find more "Quirks" with this device since I've only
had it a week so far.

GrahamU
Thu Mar 27 13:23:32 PDT 2008

I've had the 214 for about 6 weeks now and on the whole like it a lot.
See my comments to each of your points below.

Also note that if you use SPB backup I have found that a restore
consistently kills the CF slot. A hard reset brings it back to life.
I've switched to Sprite Backup for this reason but that means I can
have an unattended scheduled backup as Sprite needs you to input the
device password (if set).


On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:06:54 -0600, "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net>
wrote:

>Note: the box says "HP iPAQ 210" but under the battery of the device it says
>"211".

My box said 214 but the device identifies itself as a 210

>
>The positive features I've found with the iPAQ 211 are:
>
>1. The screen resolution is great and once you view an Internet page in
>"High Resolution" you will probably be hooked on that feature just like I
>am. But sadly enough, the pages would probably look ever better with WM6.1
>on the 211.

Agreed

>
>2. It has a fairly fast processor and I haven't found anything that I use
>that can slow it down yet.

Backs up about 68 MB in less than 1min 30 Sec to SD
TV capture from the PC ('normal' def) plays with no stuttering.

>
>3. The "iPAQ File Store" maintains it's memory even after a "Clear memory."
>This makes it a lot easier to reinstall your programs when you start over
>again which you will probably do a lot when you are testing things out.

Mmm... true but it's a bit small to put much on. I usually install to
SD (2 GB card)

>
>4. If you have a cell phone with WM5 it will use that for it's Internet
>Connection via DUN and you will not need to use the "Bluetooth Phone
>Manager" ever or the "Bluetooth Manager" a second time after it has been
>setup once. As neat as that is, that feature is nothing new and it is just
>the way BT DUN worked before Microsoft started to phase it out.

Yep, works very well

>
>
>Now for the "Quirks" I've found in one week:
>
>Quirk #1
>It only has one port that can be used for a BT GPS and you can't use the
>setting under "External GPS" to share that port either. If you want to use
>a GPS program for verbal directions and one GPS program for a "Satellite
>view" at the same time don't plan on it. It would have been neat if HP
>could have just added a GPS to the 211 themselves since you will find a lot
>of new devices come with GPS built in.

I've had different GPS issues. TomTom 6 seems to work but once you
start to move (car) the screen stops updating and won't show where you
are until you flip to another screen and back.

Detinator in Srif mode sets the system clock to an incorrect future
date.

Both the above comments apply to a CF GPS card.

>
>Quirk #2
>The Bluetooth manager has a few issues.
>
>1. For some reason, after a "reset" and after a "clear memory" the "iPAQ
>Wireless" would not display anything about the Bluetooth. The only option I
>would see is the option for "WLAN." I had to recover from that glitch with
>a "Clear memory." If this happens again, I might exchange this unit
>thinking it is something particular to this unit.

No, it's not your unit. I have found that the issue is to do with the
startup sequence (by default there is a link in the startup folder to
start this app) If you remove the startup link and start it manually
(only needed after a reset) it works correctly. I think the app is
starting before the BT stack is properly initialised.

>
>2. I haven't tracked down what is causing this but under "Bluetooth
>Settings->Accessibility" it will change from "All devices" to "Paired
>devices only" all by itself. Where this is a problem is adding a new
>device. But that particular problem is pretty obvious something has changed
>when it doesn't ask for a passcode on a new device and the "new device"
>fails to work properly.
>

Not had this on mine.

>3. If you scan for new devices, it will not always show everything that
>device has to offer.
>a. I've found that if a device is "High Quality Audio" and "Hands-free" you
>have to run a second scan of BT devices specifically for "Hand-free" to find
>the "Hands-free."
>b. If a device is a "Network Access Point" and "FTP" you have to run a
>second scan of BT devices specifically to "Browse files on a remote device"
>to use the FTP service.

Yes, this quirk is very annoying.


>4. If you are using a WM6 device for the internet use the built in "Network
>Access Point" and stay away from using PDANET. If you use the BT DUN with
>PDANET it will work once and never again despite what you try. The only way
>I've found to correct that issue is to "Clear memory" and start over. Just
>restarting everything or deleting everything and reinstalling items does not
>help.

Not tried this.
>
>Quirk #3
>This is specific to the Slingbox software. The maximum resolution for the
>Slingplayer is only 320x240 and ends up looking bad on the iPAQ 211. It
>still looks OK but I think the "Slingbox" player looks a lot better on a
>device that is only 320x240.
>
No slingbox here.

>Quirk #4
>No way to turn the device completely off despite what the manual on HP.COM
>says about holding the power button down:
>
>1. If you hold the power button down it will turn itself back on as soon as
>you let up on the power button.
>
>2. If you quickly depress the power button it will simply put it into
>"hibernate" mode and come back where it left off when you tap the power
>button again..
>
>3. If shut down all the programs, tap the power button and then take the
>battery out and put the battery back in it will start all over as if you hit
>the reset button on the side.
>
>While I can understand why they want it to be instant on for people that
>want it that way. What if someone doesn't use it all the time and wants to
>shut it completely off?
>
>----------
Think you are right about this but power use in hibernate is minimal
so does it matter? I also noticed that the CF slot is powered at all
times regardless of the settings you choose.

>
>I'm sure I will probably find more "Quirks" with this device since I've only
>had it a week so far.
>

Todd
Thu Mar 27 15:40:37 PDT 2008

At 27 Mar 2008 20:23:27 +0000 GrahamU wrote:

> No, it's not your unit. I have found that the issue is to do with the
> startup sequence (by default there is a link in the startup folder to
> start this app) If you remove the startup link and start it manually
> (only needed after a reset) it works correctly. I think the app is
> starting before the BT stack is properly initialised.

If that's the case, you might "fix" it with Mortscript (a freeware app that
lets you create complex executable batch files on the PPC.) You could
create script that waits a few seconds (experiment to find the balance
between long enough to work and short enough not to annoy!) then execute
the connection manager link.

GrahamU
Fri Mar 28 02:22:39 PDT 2008

I'll give that a try, looks like an interesting tool, thanks.

One other quirk worth mentioning is the backlight control.
I have two issues with this:
1/ The ONLY today backlight tool that seems to work is the supplied HP
one. I like a brightness control on the Today screen but hate how much
size the (otherwise useless) HP Today Panel lite takes up. Tried
various other plugins with no joy.

2/ The backlight 'battery timeout' keeps resetting itself to 10
seconds. I've been unable to prevent this and have ended up disabling
the backlight inactivity switch off. Stuck with one extreme or the
other it seems.


On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:40:37 -0600, Todd Allcock
<elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote:

>At 27 Mar 2008 20:23:27 +0000 GrahamU wrote:
>
>> No, it's not your unit. I have found that the issue is to do with the
>> startup sequence (by default there is a link in the startup folder to
>> start this app) If you remove the startup link and start it manually
>> (only needed after a reset) it works correctly. I think the app is
>> starting before the BT stack is properly initialised.
>
>If that's the case, you might "fix" it with Mortscript (a freeware app that
>lets you create complex executable batch files on the PPC.) You could
>create script that waits a few seconds (experiment to find the balance
>between long enough to work and short enough not to annoy!) then execute
>the connection manager link.
>
>

Roger
Fri Mar 28 05:32:45 PDT 2008


"GrahamU" <GrahamUnd_NoSpamHere@supanet.com> wrote in message
news:sndpu35rodfg4j6h6p62bomj6pk3c9fe9b@4ax.com...
> I'll give that a try, looks like an interesting tool, thanks.
>
> One other quirk worth mentioning is the backlight control.
> I have two issues with this:
> 1/ The ONLY today backlight tool that seems to work is the supplied HP
> one. I like a brightness control on the Today screen but hate how much
> size the (otherwise useless) HP Today Panel lite takes up. Tried
> various other plugins with no joy.
>
> 2/ The backlight 'battery timeout' keeps resetting itself to 10
> seconds. I've been unable to prevent this and have ended up disabling
> the backlight inactivity switch off. Stuck with one extreme or the
> other it seems.

Mine only goes to the 10 second timeout if it is "locked" from the "Today
Screen" and returns to the 30 second time out when it is unlocked.

Roger
Fri Mar 28 06:27:23 PDT 2008


"GrahamU" <GrahamUnd_NoSpamHere@supanet.com> wrote in message
news:khvnu3phau74amt44s8esqtr214jtqts5k@4ax.com...
> I've had the 214 for about 6 weeks now and on the whole like it a lot.
> See my comments to each of your points below.
>
> Also note that if you use SPB backup I have found that a restore
> consistently kills the CF slot. A hard reset brings it back to life.
> I've switched to Sprite Backup for this reason but that means I can
> have an unattended scheduled backup as Sprite needs you to input the
> device password (if set).

Oh yes, now that you mention the CF slot. I also like the fact that the CF
slot works with a 4 gig microdrive. As a matter of fact, since a CF card
leaves a big gap on the top of the 210 I'd rather keep a microdrive in there
if I can.


> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:06:54 -0600, "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Note: the box says "HP iPAQ 210" but under the battery of the device it
says
> >"211".
>
> My box said 214 but the device identifies itself as a 210
>
> >
> >The positive features I've found with the iPAQ 211 are:
> >
> >1. The screen resolution is great and once you view an Internet page in
> >"High Resolution" you will probably be hooked on that feature just like I
> >am. But sadly enough, the pages would probably look ever better with
WM6.1
> >on the 211.
>
> Agreed
>
> >
> >2. It has a fairly fast processor and I haven't found anything that I
use
> >that can slow it down yet.
>
> Backs up about 68 MB in less than 1min 30 Sec to SD
> TV capture from the PC ('normal' def) plays with no stuttering.

Interesting. Can you tell me more about that device?



> >3. The "iPAQ File Store" maintains it's memory even after a "Clear
memory."
> >This makes it a lot easier to reinstall your programs when you start over
> >again which you will probably do a lot when you are testing things out.
>
> Mmm... true but it's a bit small to put much on. I usually install to
> SD (2 GB card)

Yes, 25MB it does seem way to small, but so far, most everything I install
on the 211 fits in there. FYI I also use 2 gig in the SD slot.


> >4. If you have a cell phone with WM5 it will use that for it's Internet
> >Connection via DUN and you will not need to use the "Bluetooth Phone
> >Manager" ever or the "Bluetooth Manager" a second time after it has been
> >setup once. As neat as that is, that feature is nothing new and it is
just
> >the way BT DUN worked before Microsoft started to phase it out.
>
> Yep, works very well

I messed around a bit with the BT Manager yesterday. It wanted to add a
"Hands-free" and I kept deleting it because the audio sounded bad going
through the "Hands-free" when it should have been going to the "High Quality
Audio" anyway. Shortly after that I noticed my DUN quit working again. I'm
tying my best to find out what keeps messing up my BT.

BTW I no longer turn on my BT before I start the BT Manager because the BT
Manager will turn the BT on for me.



> >Now for the "Quirks" I've found in one week:
> >
> >Quirk #1
> >It only has one port that can be used for a BT GPS and you can't use the
> >setting under "External GPS" to share that port either. If you want to
use
> >a GPS program for verbal directions and one GPS program for a "Satellite
> >view" at the same time don't plan on it. It would have been neat if HP
> >could have just added a GPS to the 211 themselves since you will find a
lot
> >of new devices come with GPS built in.
>
> I've had different GPS issues. TomTom 6 seems to work but once you
> start to move (car) the screen stops updating and won't show where you
> are until you flip to another screen and back.
>
> Detinator in Srif mode sets the system clock to an incorrect future
> date.
>
> Both the above comments apply to a CF GPS card.

Does your CF GPS card work with "Google Maps for Mobile" or "Live Search for
Mobile?" I like having the "Satellite view" that both those programs offer
and when you show your GPS off to others, they seem to like the "Satellite
View" a lot also.

Google Maps for Mobile is at:
http://google.com/gmm

Live search it at:
http://m.live.com/search

Here is something funny about "Live Search." When you search for something
with "Live Search" it wants you to name your current location before it will
search for anything and "Google Maps for Mobile" doesn't want you to name
your current location first. I wish that Live Search would just check to
see if you are using your GPS and if you are then assume you want to search
from that location. Duh.


> >Quirk #2
> >The Bluetooth manager has a few issues.
> >
> >1. For some reason, after a "reset" and after a "clear memory" the "iPAQ
> >Wireless" would not display anything about the Bluetooth. The only
option I
> >would see is the option for "WLAN." I had to recover from that glitch
with
> >a "Clear memory." If this happens again, I might exchange this unit
> >thinking it is something particular to this unit.
>
> No, it's not your unit. I have found that the issue is to do with the
> startup sequence (by default there is a link in the startup folder to
> start this app) If you remove the startup link and start it manually
> (only needed after a reset) it works correctly. I think the app is
> starting before the BT stack is properly initialised.

Thanks for the info.


> >2. I haven't tracked down what is causing this but under "Bluetooth
> >Settings->Accessibility" it will change from "All devices" to "Paired
> >devices only" all by itself. Where this is a problem is adding a new
> >device. But that particular problem is pretty obvious something has
changed
> >when it doesn't ask for a passcode on a new device and the "new device"
> >fails to work properly.
> >
>
> Not had this on mine.

interesting.

> >Quirk #3
> >This is specific to the Slingbox software. The maximum resolution for
the
> >Slingplayer is only 320x240 and ends up looking bad on the iPAQ 211. It
> >still looks OK but I think the "Slingbox" player looks a lot better on a
> >device that is only 320x240.
> >
> No slingbox here.

You are better off without one. They don't give you an easy way to reset
everything after an re-install. I mean they seem to keep most their
settings in the registry instead of a setup file, where you can't get to
them very easily.


> >Quirk #4
> >No way to turn the device completely off despite what the manual on
HP.COM
> >says about holding the power button down:
> >
> >1. If you hold the power button down it will turn itself back on as soon
as
> >you let up on the power button.
> >
> >2. If you quickly depress the power button it will simply put it into
> >"hibernate" mode and come back where it left off when you tap the power
> >button again..
> >
> >3. If shut down all the programs, tap the power button and then take the
> >battery out and put the battery back in it will start all over as if you
hit
> >the reset button on the side.
> >
> >While I can understand why they want it to be instant on for people that
> >want it that way. What if someone doesn't use it all the time and wants
to
> >shut it completely off?
> >
> >----------
> Think you are right about this but power use in hibernate is minimal
> so does it matter? I also noticed that the CF slot is powered at all
> times regardless of the settings you choose.

Yes, "hibernate" probably doesn't use much power and if I put a microdrive
back into my CF slot I would want it to be powered all the time anyway.

Sven
Fri Mar 28 08:41:50 PDT 2008

Thanks, guys, for posting these experiences. Been looking at the 200 series
as a replacement for an old Dell X50 for my wife. She still prefers the two
device model. With any luck HP will release patches/updates for the
problems you mention. They have been pretty proactive in that in the past.
Hopefully they will continue to be.

--
Sven
MVP Mobile Devices
"Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net> wrote in message
news:M9mdnWLBrbu3SXbanZ2dnUVZ_rWtnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Note: the box says "HP iPAQ 210" but under the battery of the device it
> says
> "211".
>
> The positive features I've found with the iPAQ 211 are:
>
> 1. The screen resolution is great and once you view an Internet page in
> "High Resolution" you will probably be hooked on that feature just like I
> am. But sadly enough, the pages would probably look ever better with
> WM6.1
> on the 211.
>
> 2. It has a fairly fast processor and I haven't found anything that I use
> that can slow it down yet.
>
> 3. The "iPAQ File Store" maintains it's memory even after a "Clear
> memory."
> This makes it a lot easier to reinstall your programs when you start over
> again which you will probably do a lot when you are testing things out.
>
> 4. If you have a cell phone with WM5 it will use that for it's Internet
> Connection via DUN and you will not need to use the "Bluetooth Phone
> Manager" ever or the "Bluetooth Manager" a second time after it has been
> setup once. As neat as that is, that feature is nothing new and it is
> just
> the way BT DUN worked before Microsoft started to phase it out.
>
>
> Now for the "Quirks" I've found in one week:
>
> Quirk #1
> It only has one port that can be used for a BT GPS and you can't use the
> setting under "External GPS" to share that port either. If you want to
> use
> a GPS program for verbal directions and one GPS program for a "Satellite
> view" at the same time don't plan on it. It would have been neat if HP
> could have just added a GPS to the 211 themselves since you will find a
> lot
> of new devices come with GPS built in.
>
> Quirk #2
> The Bluetooth manager has a few issues.
>
> 1. For some reason, after a "reset" and after a "clear memory" the "iPAQ
> Wireless" would not display anything about the Bluetooth. The only option
> I
> would see is the option for "WLAN." I had to recover from that glitch
> with
> a "Clear memory." If this happens again, I might exchange this unit
> thinking it is something particular to this unit.
>
> 2. I haven't tracked down what is causing this but under "Bluetooth
> Settings->Accessibility" it will change from "All devices" to "Paired
> devices only" all by itself. Where this is a problem is adding a new
> device. But that particular problem is pretty obvious something has
> changed
> when it doesn't ask for a passcode on a new device and the "new device"
> fails to work properly.
>
> 3. If you scan for new devices, it will not always show everything that
> device has to offer.
> a. I've found that if a device is "High Quality Audio" and "Hands-free"
> you
> have to run a second scan of BT devices specifically for "Hand-free" to
> find
> the "Hands-free."
> b. If a device is a "Network Access Point" and "FTP" you have to run a
> second scan of BT devices specifically to "Browse files on a remote
> device"
> to use the FTP service.
>
> 4. If you are using a WM6 device for the internet use the built in
> "Network
> Access Point" and stay away from using PDANET. If you use the BT DUN with
> PDANET it will work once and never again despite what you try. The only
> way
> I've found to correct that issue is to "Clear memory" and start over.
> Just
> restarting everything or deleting everything and reinstalling items does
> not
> help.
>
> Quirk #3
> This is specific to the Slingbox software. The maximum resolution for the
> Slingplayer is only 320x240 and ends up looking bad on the iPAQ 211. It
> still looks OK but I think the "Slingbox" player looks a lot better on a
> device that is only 320x240.
>
> Quirk #4
> No way to turn the device completely off despite what the manual on HP.COM
> says about holding the power button down:
>
> 1. If you hold the power button down it will turn itself back on as soon
> as
> you let up on the power button.
>
> 2. If you quickly depress the power button it will simply put it into
> "hibernate" mode and come back where it left off when you tap the power
> button again..
>
> 3. If shut down all the programs, tap the power button and then take the
> battery out and put the battery back in it will start all over as if you
> hit
> the reset button on the side.
>
> While I can understand why they want it to be instant on for people that
> want it that way. What if someone doesn't use it all the time and wants
> to
> shut it completely off?
>
> ----------
>
> I'm sure I will probably find more "Quirks" with this device since I've
> only
> had it a week so far.
>
>

GrahamU
Sun Mar 30 05:26:05 PDT 2008

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:27:37 -0600, "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net>
wrote:

...CUT
>>
>> Backs up about 68 MB in less than 1min 30 Sec to SD
>> TV capture from the PC ('normal' def) plays with no stuttering.
>
>Interesting. Can you tell me more about that device?
>

Not sure what you are asking here. The capture on the PC is done with
a USB DVB stick which captures to MPEG2 files that can be played on
the 214.
BTW the backup time is less that 2:30 not 1:30 (typo)

...CUT
>
>Does your CF GPS card work with "Google Maps for Mobile" or "Live Search for
>Mobile?" I like having the "Satellite view" that both those programs offer
>and when you show your GPS off to others, they seem to like the "Satellite
>View" a lot also.
>

Works when stationary but not tried it 'on the road'.

>Google Maps for Mobile is at:
>http://google.com/gmm
>
>Live search it at:
>http://m.live.com/search
>
>Here is something funny about "Live Search." When you search for something
>with "Live Search" it wants you to name your current location before it will
>search for anything and "Google Maps for Mobile" doesn't want you to name
>your current location first. I wish that Live Search would just check to
>see if you are using your GPS and if you are then assume you want to search
>from that location. Duh.

Yeh, that would make sense...

>
>> >Quirk #2
>> >The Bluetooth manager has a few issues.
>> >
>> >1. For some reason, after a "reset" and after a "clear memory" the "iPAQ
>> >Wireless" would not display anything about the Bluetooth. The only
>option I
>> >would see is the option for "WLAN." I had to recover from that glitch
>with
>> >a "Clear memory." If this happens again, I might exchange this unit
>> >thinking it is something particular to this unit.
>>
>> No, it's not your unit. I have found that the issue is to do with the
>> startup sequence (by default there is a link in the startup folder to
>> start this app) If you remove the startup link and start it manually
>> (only needed after a reset) it works correctly. I think the app is
>> starting before the BT stack is properly initialised.
>
>Thanks for the info.
>
I've now tried MortScript as suggested by Todd and find that with a
500mS delay the wireless manager works correctly, thanks Todd.
>

Roger
Sun Mar 30 06:53:29 PDT 2008


"GrahamU" <GrahamUnd_NoSpamHere@supanet.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:27:37 -0600, "Roger 2008" <rwpcs@att.net>
> wrote:

... snip ...

> Not sure what you are asking here. The capture on the PC is done with
> a USB DVB stick which captures to MPEG2 files that can be played on
> the 214.
> BTW the backup time is less that 2:30 not 1:30 (typo)

OK, now I understand. I use a something like that too from ATI but it
doesn't do HDTV. I have a USB tuner that does HDTV but it would hang a lot
so I put it away for a while.


> ...CUT
> >
> >Does your CF GPS card work with "Google Maps for Mobile" or "Live Search
for
> >Mobile?" I like having the "Satellite view" that both those programs
offer
> >and when you show your GPS off to others, they seem to like the
"Satellite
> >View" a lot also.
> >
>
> Works when stationary but not tried it 'on the road'.

They both might work for you but I'll tell you what I've found from my
experience.

"Google Maps for Mobile" might update for a while and then stop updating.

"Live Search for Mobile" will always update but you might find areas where
there is no "Satellite View" at a particular "zoom" level. Sometimes a
closer "Zoom" will display properly and sometimes it will not.

"Live Search for Mobile" also takes a great deal of memory to run and I've
seen it mess up other programs running in background, but that was on a
device with less memory that the 210.


> >Google Maps for Mobile is at:
> > http://google.com/gmm
> >
> >Live search it at:
> > http://m.live.com/search

... snip ...

> >> No, it's not your unit. I have found that the issue is to do with the
> >> startup sequence (by default there is a link in the startup folder to
> >> start this app) If you remove the startup link and start it manually
> >> (only needed after a reset) it works correctly. I think the app is
> >> starting before the BT stack is properly initialised.
> >
> >Thanks for the info.
> >
> I've now tried MortScript as suggested by Todd and find that with a
> 500mS delay the wireless manager works correctly, thanks Todd.

After reading that you had the same problem I have had I've started to use
the reset button on the side when my BT Manager screws up. When it comes
back after the reset things have been working fine and I haven't done a hard
reset on my 210 for a few days.

I've noticed that even if I don't always "lock" my 210 from the "Today
Screen" somehow it will end up with a 10 second time out for the backlight.
Sound familiar?

I've noticed that if I do not turn on the Bluetooth and go straight into the
"Bluetooth Manager" it will start the Bluetooth running for me.

I've also noticed that if I connect to a device in the BT manager for
intenet it will show connected but I have to watch the icon at the top of
the screen to see when it is really connected before I try the intenet.

Thanks for your input and the input from Todd.

Roger
Tue Apr 01 05:19:01 PDT 2008


"GrahamU" <GrahamUnd_NoSpamHere@supanet.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >----------
> Think you are right about this but power use in hibernate is minimal
> so does it matter? I also noticed that the CF slot is powered at all
> times regardless of the settings you choose.


Last night I assumed that "the power use in hibernate is minimal" so I
unplugged my unit and tapped the power button to turn the screen off then
left it unplugged from about 10PM to 6AM.

I thought I would see the battery around 80% this morning but it was below
20%. I will run some more test on it to make sure I tapped the power
button, but so far it looks like the battery would last a lot longer at
night, without a charger, if I could turn the device completely off.

BTW I did not have anything in the CF slot.

Todd
Tue Apr 01 07:29:17 PDT 2008

At 01 Apr 2008 07:19:17 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:

> Last night I assumed that "the power use in hibernate is minimal" so I
> unplugged my unit and tapped the power button to turn the screen off then
> left it unplugged from about 10PM to 6AM.
>
> I thought I would see the battery around 80% this morning but it was below
> 20%. I will run some more test on it to make sure I tapped the power
> button, but so far it looks like the battery would last a lot longer at
> night, without a charger, if I could turn the device completely off.
>
> BTW I did not have anything in the CF slot.


I suspect you might not have the auto-power off settings set to go into
standby after x minutes of use. (Start/Settings/System Tab/Power.)

All PPCs wake up at midnight to do "housekeeping." If no auto-off setting
is programmed, or some app prevents shutdown (WMP, a GPS app, etc.) the PPC
will stay on until it's battery drops to it's "critical level" that
triggers a shut off (often 20%, sometimes 10%- it depends on the
manufacturer.)

Roger
Thu Apr 03 16:29:35 PDT 2008


"Todd Allcock" <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in message
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> At 01 Apr 2008 07:19:17 -0600 Roger 2008 wrote:
>
> > Last night I assumed that "the power use in hibernate is minimal" so I
> > unplugged my unit and tapped the power button to turn the screen off
then
> > left it unplugged from about 10PM to 6AM.
> >
> > I thought I would see the battery around 80% this morning but it was
below
> > 20%. I will run some more test on it to make sure I tapped the power
> > button, but so far it looks like the battery would last a lot longer at
> > night, without a charger, if I could turn the device completely off.
> >
> > BTW I did not have anything in the CF slot.
>
>
> I suspect you might not have the auto-power off settings set to go into
> standby after x minutes of use. (Start/Settings/System Tab/Power.)
>
> All PPCs wake up at midnight to do "housekeeping." If no auto-off setting
> is programmed, or some app prevents shutdown (WMP, a GPS app, etc.) the
PPC
> will stay on until it's battery drops to it's "critical level" that
> triggers a shut off (often 20%, sometimes 10%- it depends on the
> manufacturer.)

Thanks for the information.

I wonder if there is more "housekeeping" at the end of the month.

I've left my iPAQ off the charger for quite some time yesterday and today
and it is still at 97% battery. I showed it off to a friend of mine or it
might still be at 100%.

I'll run some more test on it but I do not use the "auto-power off" and I'll
see if I can figure out what might be waking it up.