how to build a stand alone CEPC? - booted from Hard Disk?

I followed the "How to ..." to build a CEPC booted from
hard disk. Everything runs OK except the last step -
Remove the boot floppy disk from the CEPC, restart the
CEPC, and then verify that the OS image boots on the
CEPC.

The CEPC hanging there - 1 cursor blinks at the top left
corner - forever!

If I disable KITL and rebuilt after the change. I can
find the nk.bin in RelDir\CEPC_X86Release.

BUT, after download, no Release directory in CEPC. So I
do not know where the nk.bin located and how to copy it
to the hard disk?

Steve
Mon Jul 28 10:51:49 CDT 2003

You need to look at and post the debug serial output from the load process.
It's impossible to guess what is wrong without some indicators.

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Bruce
Mon Jul 28 11:08:38 CDT 2003

Kathy:

I may have given you some bad advice. In your earlier post you asked about
a "standalone CEPC" which I interpreted to mean that the CEPC is not
connected to anything else like ethernet.

From this post, you seem to be connected via ethernet or something else. Is
this correct?

I am also not clear on what you see when.

1. With KITL enabled, the OS does not boot, no graphical desktop.
2. With KITL disabled, what happens?

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kathy
Mon Jul 28 13:53:52 CDT 2003

My CEPC has Pentium II 400MHz w/memory=160MB,
EthernetCard, and ActionTec PCMCIA reader. I use the
ethernet to download the image.

When KITL enabled, after download, the CEPC booted and
seems everything going OK. I can browse the web using the
CEPC's internet explorer. using file explorer to copy the
file to hard disk...

when KITL disabled, after download, CEPC run and every
thing works OK. the HyperTerminal info:


rom_offset=0x80000000.
Found pTOC signature.
ROMHDR at Address 00220044h
RomHdr.ulRAMStart=815CA000h RomHdr.physfirst=80220000h.
OEMLaunch ucLoaderFlags is 7
Download successful! Jumping to image at 002235E8h...
Got EDBG_CMD_JUMPIMG
Got EDBG_CMD_CONFIG, flags:0x00000000
NAND_FLASH with g_bDownloadImage=1 , pBootArgs-
>ucLoaderFlags=7
Lauch Windows CE from address 0x2235E8
Debug Serial Init

SysInit: GDTBase=815ca0c8 IDTBase=815eb840 KData=815f1800
Windows CE Kernel for i486 Built on Mar 13 2003 at
22:53:04 g_PageDir = 815f3000 X86Init done,
OEMAddressTable = 80223608.

BUT after shut down then turn on, CEPC hanging there -
Black screen! with 1 cursor blinks at the top left
corner - forever!

Can not booted rom Hard Disk!

The CEPC is release version.

Bruce
Mon Jul 28 14:11:45 CDT 2003

I'm no expert on CEPC, so someone else will catch me if I fall.

With KITL enabled, KITL is waiting to connect to Platform Builder. That is
probably why you have the blinking cursor. Try connecting Platform Builder,
you don't need to download again, just connect. It should now boot.

With KITL disabled, you do not have a connection to the Platform Builder PC,
so of course you will not have the Release directory linking back to the PC.
You may need to use some other media to transfer the image if you want to
disable KITL.

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Senior Engineer
Accelent Systems Inc.
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Steve
Mon Jul 28 14:42:15 CDT 2003

As someone whose done a ton of x86 PC implementations I can confirm Dean's
comments as valid.

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Bruce
Mon Jul 28 14:47:24 CDT 2003

Hey!

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kathy
Mon Jul 28 14:54:58 CDT 2003

Thank you for your reply.

With KITL enabled, Everything is OK. NO blinking cursor.

>With KITL disabled, you do not have a connection to the
Platform Builder PC, so of course you will not have the
Release directory linking back to the PC. You may need to
use some other media to transfer the image if you want to
disable KITL.

This is my question! How to transfer the image if I want
to disable KITL. As you said, To build a stand alone
CEPC, I MUST disable the KITL.

Bruce
Mon Jul 28 15:22:35 CDT 2003

Okay, so I understood you correctly in the beginning, thought I was losing
my mind.

I can get an image on a system *without* a harddrive just fine, but getting
it on a CEPC would require knowing what hardware and software are available
to you. Steve or someone else can give you a better way but here is a way
that will work, it just takes some creativity and a little work.

Build the image with KITL disabled. Change the name of nk.bin to something
else, like mynk.bin. Now build with KITL enabled. Download and boot. Now
you can copy and rename mynk.bin.

That should get you working until a better answer comes in.

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Senior Engineer
Accelent Systems Inc.
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Steve
Mon Jul 28 15:24:47 CDT 2003

So build an separate image with KITL, transfer the image using PB and EBOOT
to the device and run it. With the system running copy a different nk.bin
(without KITL) to the device and save it on the harddrive. Then you can
reboot. There is nothing magical or special about this approach it is only
one way of getting an NK.BIN image on to the harddrive of the system others
include serial port transfers (slow) and removable hardrives that you
connect up to your main system, or a bootable DOS floppy with LAN manager
software on it to get network access to the desktop system... the
possibilities are limited only by your imagination.

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Entelechy Consulting
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kathy
Tue Jul 29 08:42:06 CDT 2003

Thanks for your reply.

With KITL enabled, everything is OK. No blinking cursor.

>With KITL disabled, you do not have a connection to the
Platform Builder PC, so of course you will not have the
Release directory linking back to the PC.
You may need to use some other media to transfer the
image if you want to disable KITL.

That is my question! If I have to disable the KITL in
order to build a stand-alone CEPC which booted from hard
disk, how to copy the image (nk.bin) to CEPC hard disk?