boot CEPC from hard disk

First, I have built a CEPC with KITL enabled followed the
help file "How to ...". And everything is OK.

Then, I built same CEPC with KITL disabled(renamed as
NO_KITL_NK.bin). I copied it to target CEPC hard disk and
rename back to NK.bin. Now my hard disk has 2 files:
nk.bin and BLDR.

Then I restart my CEPC. But system halted there - black
screen with 1 cursor blinking on left top corner.

Which step I missed?

Thanks for all your inputs.

Steve
Tue Jul 29 14:59:33 CDT 2003

And the debug output shows.... ???

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Luke
Tue Jul 29 19:25:10 CDT 2003

See the "Configuring HyperTerminal for BSPs" in the product documentation if
you're not sure how to capture the debug output.


"Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <ptobey_no_spam@instrument.com> wrote in message
news:%23LsnoxgVDHA.1912@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Capture the serial debug output and let us see it.
>
> Paul T.
>
> "kathy" <kathy@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:036f01c3560b$7b8923c0$a301280a@phx.gbl...
> > First, I have built a CEPC with KITL enabled followed the
> > help file "How to ...". And everything is OK.
> >
> > Then, I built same CEPC with KITL disabled(renamed as
> > NO_KITL_NK.bin). I copied it to target CEPC hard disk and
> > rename back to NK.bin. Now my hard disk has 2 files:
> > nk.bin and BLDR.
> >
> > Then I restart my CEPC. But system halted there - black
> > screen with 1 cursor blinking on left top corner.
> >
> > Which step I missed?
> >
> > Thanks for all your inputs.
>
>

Steve
Wed Jul 30 11:54:42 CDT 2003

KITL has nothing to do with whether message come out the serial port during
boot.

SO there is something else besides that cutting off what you need to see.
Without a thorough analysis of your system, your code and your procedures I
couldn't really even guess what the problem might actually be.

I'd recommend stepping back to DOS/LOADCEPC to make sure the image itself is
valid standalone. Then figure out why the BIOS Loader isn't loading it. I'd
also make sure the BIOS Loader is configured to provide debug messages about
what it is doing.

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kathy
Wed Jul 30 13:43:51 CDT 2003

thanks for your reply.

>I'd recommend stepping back to DOS/LOADCEPC to make sure
>the image itself is valid standalone.

In both Setup disk and Boot disk created by
following "How to ...", NO loadcepc, Boot disk only has 3
files: BLDR, boot.ini, and eboot.bin. cepc only existed
in disk created in Tutorial Step 3: Creating a Boot
Floppy Disk for the CEPC. But during build CEPC booted
from hard disk, it seems I do not need the loadcepc, at
least according to the "How to ...".

>I'd also make sure the BIOS Loader is configured to
>provide debug messages about what it is doing.

How?

Steve
Wed Jul 30 13:51:53 CDT 2003

There's more then one way to boot a PC system with windows CE. The BIOS
Loader (BLDR) is just one of them. Use loadcepc on the boot floppy and
forget about the bios loader tutorial for now. This will start with DOS and
LOADCEPC. 2 know items easy to see if something goes wrong. Then get EBOOT
going with loadcepc to download the retail build of the NK.BIN to the HD.
Once the retail version is on the HD you can reboot to dos and use loadcepc
to load the retail version and make sure it runs ok. Right now there are
just too many variables to even hazard a guess as to what is not correct.

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kathy
Wed Jul 30 14:10:34 CDT 2003

for release config, I uncheck all build options.
for debug config, I use default build option.

kathy
Wed Jul 30 14:17:53 CDT 2003

My system consists of:

1. development system - HP notebook with Windows XP
professional. PB4.1 and PB 4.2 side by side.
Studio.NET2003, eVC3.0, ...

2. Target PC - Pentium II 400MHz, memory=160MB, Ethernet
card, 2 COMs, 16GB harg disk, Action PCI750 PCMCIA
reader, CDROM, floppy drive,...

kathy
Wed Jul 30 15:38:38 CDT 2003

OK. Now I boot CEPC to DOS and have the nk.bin on hard
disk. Then what I need to do?

I type:
A:\>loadcepc c:\nk.bin
HIMEM.SYS must be loaded.

where I can get HIMEM.SYS? How to load HIMEM.SYS? just
copy to C:?

sergei
Thu Jul 31 02:24:46 CDT 2003


>-----Original Message-----
>Let me give more detail about what I did:

Kathy,

let me join your side in this discussion. I have spent
substantial time trying to make the procedure you describe
to work and failed. Repeated exactly all steps as you did.
It just does not work. We don't have an ancient 16-bit
compiler to recompile (with logged output) that mkdisk
program ( source code is available with PB), neither
resources for that.

I have tried this procedure with Conner and Fujitzu hard
disks and with several solid state disks, same result -
all steps succeed, no error output, but not booting nk.bin.

>which step missed or wrong?

I think there are other factors involved, which are not
documented ( like your hardware platform is too old, or
too new, or your BIOS is too old or too new, or there are
too many or too few partitions, or your hard drive is too
big, etc).


Sergei

Chu
Mon Aug 04 03:23:01 CDT 2003

It is in the windows 98 booting disk.
If you want to use loadcepc, I recommand that build 1 old
desktop pc with windows 98 installed.
It is good idea that install Widows 98 in your target
system, and trying to use multi boot between windows CE
and windows 98.

Goodluck.

>-----Original Message-----
>OK. Now I boot CEPC to DOS and have the nk.bin on hard
>disk. Then what I need to do?
>
>I type:
>A:\>loadcepc c:\nk.bin
>HIMEM.SYS must be loaded.
>
>where I can get HIMEM.SYS? How to load HIMEM.SYS? just
>copy to C:?
>.
>

kathy
Mon Aug 04 11:55:26 CDT 2003

Right now I have loadcepc, nk.bin and others in my C:
drive. I can use the loadcepc to load the nk.bin and
seems works.

But I still can not use the BLDR to load the nk.bin.

any idea?