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I have a wireless router with IP address 192.168.2.1 with DHCP enabled. =
I have a wireless desktop client that was allocated 192.168.2.3 It is =
set for internet sharing and it's ICS provides 192.168.0.x addresses. =
These are all XP Pro systems. =20

AT&T DSL gateway (assigned 192.168.0.1 and I cant change it)
USR-Wireless 192.168.2.1
MyWiredLaptop 192.168.2.2
MyWirelessServer 192.168.2.3 interface1=3DUSB wireless
MyWirelessServer 192.168.0.1 interface2=3D100BaseT
SomeWiredClient 192.168.0.138

They all can connect just fine to the internet, but I cannot access =
SomeWiredClient directly from MyWiredLaptop. I can use VNC (or remote =
desktop) to connect to MyWirelessServer and then from that desktop, =
connect to SomeWiredClient.

This should have worked:
route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.3

All it did was to prevent my laptop from accessing the AT&T Seimens =
modem. =20

I suspect the problem is that the ATT device is 192.168.0.1 and that =
conflicts with the same IP address that the wireless desktop server is =
using for its DHCP clients.

If I cant get this to work then I will have to buy one of those wireless =
print servers that allow computers to connect in addtion to printers.

..thanks..

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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>I have a wireless router =
with IP=20
address 192.168.2.1 with DHCP enabled.  </FONT><FONT size=3D2>I =
have a=20
wireless desktop client that  was allocated 192.168.2.3  =
It is=20
set for internet sharing and it's ICS provides 192.168.0.x =
addresses.=20
 These are all XP Pro systems.  </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>AT&T DSL gateway =
(assigned=20
192.168.0.1 and I cant change it)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    USR-Wireless =

192.168.2.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
   =20
MyWiredLaptop 192.168.2.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
   =20
MyWirelessServer  192.168.2.3 interface1=3DUSB =
wireless</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>        MyWirelessServer=
=20
 192.168.0.1 interface2=3D100BaseT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
size=3D2>          &nbs=
p;=20
SomeWiredClient   192.168.0.138</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>They all can connect just =
fine to the=20
internet, but I cannot access SomeWiredClient directly from=20
MyWiredLaptop.  I can use VNC (or remote desktop) to connect to=20
MyWirelessServer and then from that desktop, connect to=20
SomeWiredClient.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>This should have =
worked:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>route add 192.168.0.0 mask =
255.255.255.0=20
192.168.2.3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>All it did was to prevent my =
laptop from=20
accessing the AT&T Seimens modem.  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I suspect the problem is that =
the ATT=20
device is 192.168.0.1 and that conflicts with the same IP address that =
the=20
wireless desktop server is using for its DHCP clients.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>If I cant get this to work then =
I will have=20
to buy one of those wireless print servers that allow computers to =
connect in=20
addtion to printers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>..thanks..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Robert
Sun Jun 01 19:33:54 PDT 2008

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I am not sure how you connect to them, but use tracert command may help.

--=20
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on=20
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on=20
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Joseph Stateson" <josephstateson@att.net> wrote in message =
news:agD0k.7047$nW2.2500@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
I have a wireless router with IP address 192.168.2.1 with DHCP =
enabled. I have a wireless desktop client that was allocated =
192.168.2.3 It is set for internet sharing and it's ICS provides =
192.168.0.x addresses. These are all XP Pro systems. =20

AT&T DSL gateway (assigned 192.168.0.1 and I cant change it)
USR-Wireless 192.168.2.1
MyWiredLaptop 192.168.2.2
MyWirelessServer 192.168.2.3 interface1=3DUSB wireless
MyWirelessServer 192.168.0.1 interface2=3D100BaseT
SomeWiredClient 192.168.0.138

They all can connect just fine to the internet, but I cannot access =
SomeWiredClient directly from MyWiredLaptop. I can use VNC (or remote =
desktop) to connect to MyWirelessServer and then from that desktop, =
connect to SomeWiredClient.

This should have worked:
route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.3

All it did was to prevent my laptop from accessing the AT&T Seimens =
modem. =20

I suspect the problem is that the ATT device is 192.168.0.1 and that =
conflicts with the same IP address that the wireless desktop server is =
using for its DHCP clients.

If I cant get this to work then I will have to buy one of those =
wireless print servers that allow computers to connect in addtion to =
printers.

..thanks..

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not sure how you connect to them, =
but use=20
tracert command may help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE<BR>Networking, Internet, =

Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on <BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.ChicagoTech.net">http://www.ChicagoTech.net</A><BR>How=
to Setup=20
Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on <BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.HowToNetworking.com">http://www.HowToNetworking.com</A=
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<DIV>"Joseph Stateson" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:josephstateson@att.net">josephstateson@att.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>I have a wireless =
router with IP=20
address 192.168.2.1 with DHCP enabled.  </FONT><FONT size=3D2>I =
have a=20
wireless desktop client that  was allocated =
192.168.2.3  It is=20
set for internet sharing and it's ICS provides 192.168.0.x=20
addresses.  These are all XP Pro systems.  =
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>AT&T DSL gateway =
(assigned=20
192.168.0.1 and I cant change it)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
USR-Wireless=20
192.168.2.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
   =20
MyWiredLaptop 192.168.2.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
   =20
MyWirelessServer  192.168.2.3 interface1=3DUSB =
wireless</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
=
size=3D2>        MyWirelessServer=
=20
 192.168.0.1 interface2=3D100BaseT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
=
size=3D2>          &nbs=
p;=20
SomeWiredClient   192.168.0.138</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>They all can connect just =
fine to=20
the internet, but I cannot access SomeWiredClient directly from=20
MyWiredLaptop.  I can use VNC (or remote desktop) to connect to=20
MyWirelessServer and then from that desktop, connect to=20
SomeWiredClient.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>This should have =
worked:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>route add 192.168.0.0 mask =
255.255.255.0=20
192.168.2.3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>All it did was to prevent my =
laptop from=20
accessing the AT&T Seimens modem.  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I suspect the problem is that =
the ATT=20
device is 192.168.0.1 and that conflicts with the same IP address that =
the=20
wireless desktop server is using for its DHCP clients.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>If I cant get this to work =
then I will=20
have to buy one of those wireless print servers that allow computers =
to=20
connect in addtion to printers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>..thanks..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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Steve
Sun Jun 01 19:53:14 PDT 2008

On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 15:03:06 -0500, "Joseph Stateson"
<josephstateson@att.net> wrote:

>I have a wireless router with IP address 192.168.2.1 with DHCP enabled. I have a wireless desktop client that was allocated 192.168.2.3 It is set for internet sharing and it's ICS provides 192.168.0.x addresses. These are all XP Pro systems.
>
>AT&T DSL gateway (assigned 192.168.0.1 and I cant change it)
> USR-Wireless 192.168.2.1
> MyWiredLaptop 192.168.2.2
> MyWirelessServer 192.168.2.3 interface1=USB wireless
> MyWirelessServer 192.168.0.1 interface2=100BaseT
> SomeWiredClient 192.168.0.138
>
>They all can connect just fine to the internet, but I cannot access SomeWiredClient directly from MyWiredLaptop. I can use VNC (or remote desktop) to connect to MyWirelessServer and then from that desktop, connect to SomeWiredClient.
>
>This should have worked:
>route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.3
>
>All it did was to prevent my laptop from accessing the AT&T Seimens modem.
>
>I suspect the problem is that the ATT device is 192.168.0.1 and that conflicts with the same IP address that the wireless desktop server is using for its DHCP clients.
>
>If I cant get this to work then I will have to buy one of those wireless print servers that allow computers to connect in addtion to printers.
>
>..thanks..

On MyWirelessServer, disable ICS, then create a network bridge between
the wireless and 100BaseT connections. That will combine the wireless
and wired networks into a single 192.168.2.x subnet. I've written a
web page with details:

XP ICS - Network Bridge
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp_ics/networkbridge.htm
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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Joseph
Mon Jun 02 22:39:56 PDT 2008

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Thanks Steve - I looked at your site and followed the guide but was =
unable=20
to make it work. I went back to useing microsoft's zero wireless =
instead of=20
the dlink tool thinking that the dlink one was not working with the =
bridge.=20
It didnt make any difference and did not work anyways.

This is the best I could do:: http://tinyurl.com/6yg8en
Disconnecting the dlink usb wireless from the bridge immediately =
restored=20
the internet access and the ping to 192.168.2.3 work. Adding the =
wireless=20
to the bridge immediately caused the ping to fail. You can see that it =
is=20
failing when the USB wireless is added to the bridge (from that picture =
url)

Question:: How does the OS know that the wireless is where the internet =
is=20
and not the local connection? Could the data flow be reversed on the=20
bridge?

Also, I have more problems than just getting the bridge to work. The =
USB=20
device does not seem to allow a service install so I have to have =
autologin=20
enabled before the USB device is enabled. All these systems are running =

BOINC and I want to be able to control them from a laptop but I can put =
the=20
control program on the wireless server which gives me access to all=20
computer, wired or wireless. That system must have autologin or the USB =

wont work.

(sorry I emailed it, got hone and reposted original)
"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" <findemail@chicagotech.net> wrote in message =
news:OzpSbkFxIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
I am not sure how you connect to them, but use tracert command may =
help.

--=20
Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE
Networking, Internet, Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on=20
http://www.ChicagoTech.net
How to Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on=20
http://www.HowToNetworking.com
"Joseph Stateson" <josephstateson@att.net> wrote in message =
news:agD0k.7047$nW2.2500@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
I have a wireless router with IP address 192.168.2.1 with DHCP =
enabled. I have a wireless desktop client that was allocated =
192.168.2.3 It is set for internet sharing and it's ICS provides =
192.168.0.x addresses. These are all XP Pro systems. =20

AT&T DSL gateway (assigned 192.168.0.1 and I cant change it)
USR-Wireless 192.168.2.1
MyWiredLaptop 192.168.2.2
MyWirelessServer 192.168.2.3 interface1=3DUSB wireless
MyWirelessServer 192.168.0.1 interface2=3D100BaseT
SomeWiredClient 192.168.0.138

They all can connect just fine to the internet, but I cannot access =
SomeWiredClient directly from MyWiredLaptop. I can use VNC (or remote =
desktop) to connect to MyWirelessServer and then from that desktop, =
connect to SomeWiredClient.

This should have worked:
route add 192.168.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 192.168.2.3

All it did was to prevent my laptop from accessing the AT&T Seimens =
modem. =20

I suspect the problem is that the ATT device is 192.168.0.1 and that =
conflicts with the same IP address that the wireless desktop server is =
using for its DHCP clients.

If I cant get this to work then I will have to buy one of those =
wireless print servers that allow computers to connect in addtion to =
printers.

..thanks..

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<DIV>Thanks Steve - I looked at your site and followed the guide but was =
unable=20
<BR>to make it work.  I went back to useing microsoft's zero =
wireless=20
instead of <BR>the dlink tool thinking that the dlink one was not =
working with=20
the bridge. <BR>It didnt make any difference and did not work=20
anyways.<BR><BR>This is the best I could do:: <A=20
href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/6yg8en">http://tinyurl.com/6yg8en</A><BR>Disco=
nnecting=20
the dlink usb wireless from the bridge immediately restored <BR>the =
internet=20
access and the ping to 192.168.2.3 work.  Adding the wireless =
<BR>to the=20
bridge immediately caused the ping to fail. You can see that it is =
<BR>failing=20
when the USB wireless is added to the bridge (from that picture=20
url)<BR><BR>Question::  How does the OS know that the wireless is =
where the=20
internet is <BR>and not the local connection?  Could the data flow =
be=20
reversed on the <BR>bridge?<BR><BR>Also, I have more problems than just =
getting=20
the bridge to work.  The USB <BR>device does not seem to allow a =
service=20
install so I have to have autologin <BR>enabled before the USB device is =

enabled.  All these systems are running <BR>BOINC and I want to be =
able to=20
control them from a laptop but I can put the <BR>control program on the =
wireless=20
server which gives me access to all <BR>computer, wired or =
wireless.  That=20
system must have autologin or the USB <BR>wont work.<BR><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>(sorry I emailed it, got hone and reposted =
original)</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Robert L. (MS-MVP)" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:findemail@chicagotech.net">findemail@chicagotech.net</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:OzpSbkFxIHA.5832@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl">news:OzpSbkFxIHA.5832=
@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am not sure how you connect to =
them, but use=20
tracert command may help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Bob Lin, MS-MVP, MCSE & CNE<BR>Networking, =
Internet,=20
Routing, VPN Troubleshooting on <BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.ChicagoTech.net">http://www.ChicagoTech.net</A><BR>How=
to=20
Setup Windows, Network, VPN & Remote Access on <BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.HowToNetworking.com">http://www.HowToNetworking.com</A=
></DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Joseph Stateson" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:josephstateson@att.net">josephstateson@att.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:agD0k.7047$nW2.2500@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com">news:agD0k.7047$nW=
2.2500@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"><FONT size=3D2>I have a wireless =
router with IP=20
address 192.168.2.1 with DHCP enabled.  </FONT><FONT size=3D2>I =
have a=20
wireless desktop client that  was allocated =
192.168.2.3  It=20
is set for internet sharing and it's =
ICS provides 192.168.0.x=20
addresses.  These are all XP Pro systems.  =
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>AT&T DSL gateway =
(assigned=20
192.168.0.1 and I cant change it)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
USR-Wireless=20
192.168.2.1</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
   =20
MyWiredLaptop 192.168.2.2</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>    =
   =20
MyWirelessServer  192.168.2.3 interface1=3DUSB =
wireless</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
=
size=3D2>        MyWirelessServer=
=20
 192.168.0.1 interface2=3D100BaseT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New"=20
=
size=3D2>          &nbs=
p;=20
SomeWiredClient   192.168.0.138</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>They all can connect just =
fine to=20
the internet, but I cannot access SomeWiredClient directly from =

MyWiredLaptop.  I can use VNC (or remote desktop) to connect to =

MyWirelessServer and then from that desktop, connect to=20
SomeWiredClient.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>This should have =
worked:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>route add 192.168.0.0 mask=20
255.255.255.0 192.168.2.3</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>All it did was to prevent =
my laptop=20
from accessing the AT&T Seimens modem.  </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>I suspect the problem is =
that the ATT=20
device is 192.168.0.1 and that conflicts with the same IP address =
that the=20
wireless desktop server is using for its DHCP clients.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>If I cant get this to work =
then I will=20
have to buy one of those wireless print servers that allow computers =
to=20
connect in addtion to printers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>..thanks..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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