Can't connect to Internet

I have a cable modem going into a Netgear WGT624 Vs Router with latest
firmware. It then goes into a wired hub and then into other XP boxes on
my MSHome LAN. All is well here with the LAN and all goes into
Internet. It does have a wireless option but I do not use it.

One on of my XP boxes I have a Compex 16 Router which also have a
wireless option which I use. It also has the latest firmware.

I have a laptop with a wireless connection to that Compex and I get to
the all LAN boxes okay but not to the Internet.

What should I do to get to the web from the laptop?

Thanks

rock

Malke
Sun Aug 10 05:30:18 PDT 2008

rock wrote:

> I have a cable modem going into a Netgear WGT624 Vs Router with latest
> firmware. It then goes into a wired hub and then into other XP boxes on
> my MSHome LAN. All is well here with the LAN and all goes into
> Internet. It does have a wireless option but I do not use it.
>
> One on of my XP boxes I have a Compex 16 Router which also have a
> wireless option which I use. It also has the latest firmware.
>
> I have a laptop with a wireless connection to that Compex and I get to
> the all LAN boxes okay but not to the Internet.
>
> What should I do to get to the web from the laptop?

I'm confused as to why you have two routers. However, if you prefer to use
the wireless function of the Compex instead of the Netgear's, you need to
turn off the DHCP function of the Compex and use it only as a wireless
access point instead. You also need to make sure the Compex has a static IP
address on the same subnet as the Netgear; i.e., 192.168.2.xxx or whatever
is correct for that router.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

Jack
Sun Aug 10 09:26:37 PDT 2008

Hi
Your topology with two Routers is probably incorrect.
When there is a need for tow device you have two options.
Read the following and decide which one would work for you.
1. Using a Wireless Router as a switch with an Access Point -
http://www.ezlan.net/router_AP.html
2. Network Segregation - http://www.ezlan.net/shield.html
Jack (MS, MVP-Networking)

"rock" <1940@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:eXJqFit%23IHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I have a cable modem going into a Netgear WGT624 Vs Router with latest
>firmware. It then goes into a wired hub and then into other XP boxes on my
>MSHome LAN. All is well here with the LAN and all goes into Internet. It
>does have a wireless option but I do not use it.
>
> One on of my XP boxes I have a Compex 16 Router which also have a wireless
> option which I use. It also has the latest firmware.
>
> I have a laptop with a wireless connection to that Compex and I get to the
> all LAN boxes okay but not to the Internet.
>
> What should I do to get to the web from the laptop?
>
> Thanks
>
> rock

rock
Mon Aug 11 01:14:40 PDT 2008

rock wrote:
> I have a cable modem going into a Netgear WGT624 Vs Router with latest
> firmware. It then goes into a wired hub and then into other XP boxes on
> my MSHome LAN. All is well here with the LAN and all goes into
> Internet. It does have a wireless option but I do not use it.
>
> One on of my XP boxes I have a Compex 16 Router which also have a
> wireless option which I use. It also has the latest firmware.
>
> I have a laptop with a wireless connection to that Compex and I get to
> the all LAN boxes okay but not to the Internet.
>
> What should I do to get to the web from the laptop?
>
> Thanks
>
> rock
HI,

The only reason why I have the 2 routers is that one XP box on the wired
LAN is in another building (B) and I want to use my laptop in that same
building. The Netgear router is in the primary building (A) and the
wireless just doesn't quite get to the B building.

The IP's the Mshome network (wired LAN) are 192.168.0.2 upwards to 0.10
(Gateway is 0.1.) whilst so far I have the Compex on 192.168.168.2.
(It's gateway is 192.168.168.1)

Am I right that this should also continue on from the 0.10. etc.?
The XP box that the Compex is attached to 192.168.0.8

I will read up on what you suggest and see if I can work it out..

Many thanks to both of you.

rock

Malke
Mon Aug 11 06:02:56 PDT 2008

rock wrote:
>
> The only reason why I have the 2 routers is that one XP box on the wired
> LAN is in another building (B) and I want to use my laptop in that same
> building. The Netgear router is in the primary building (A) and the
> wireless just doesn't quite get to the B building.
>
> The IP's the Mshome network (wired LAN) are 192.168.0.2 upwards to 0.10
> (Gateway is 0.1.) whilst so far I have the Compex on 192.168.168.2.
> (It's gateway is 192.168.168.1)
>
> Am I right that this should also continue on from the 0.10. etc.?
> The XP box that the Compex is attached to 192.168.0.8

Change the Compex to something high on the Netgear's subnet, such as
192.168.0.245. Turn off its DHCP function and use it only as a wireless
access point. Then computers using the wireless connection will be able to
get on the Internet.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

James
Mon Aug 11 07:28:21 PDT 2008


On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:02:56 -0700, Malke <malke@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>> The IP's the Mshome network (wired LAN) are 192.168.0.2 upwards to 0.10
>> (Gateway is 0.1.) whilst so far I have the Compex on 192.168.168.2.
>> (It's gateway is 192.168.168.1)
>>
>> Am I right that this should also continue on from the 0.10. etc.?
>> The XP box that the Compex is attached to 192.168.0.8
>
>Change the Compex to something high on the Netgear's subnet, such as
>192.168.0.245. Turn off its DHCP function and use it only as a wireless
>access point. Then computers using the wireless connection will be able to
>get on the Internet.


If I have read it correctly, there are two nics on one of the xp
machines which are currently set to 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.168.1

These interfaces would need to be bridged for this (above) to work.

It looks like the current scenario uses routing not bridging but needs
one or two static routes to enable the connection.

The most common error in setting up such static routes is a missing
route on the main netgear router to send traffic for network
192.168.168.0 via 192.168.0.8


Jim.

Malke
Mon Aug 11 08:45:39 PDT 2008

James Egan wrote:


> If I have read it correctly, there are two nics on one of the xp
> machines which are currently set to 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.168.1
>
> These interfaces would need to be bridged for this (above) to work.
>
> It looks like the current scenario uses routing not bridging but needs
> one or two static routes to enable the connection.
>
> The most common error in setting up such static routes is a missing
> route on the main netgear router to send traffic for network
> 192.168.168.0 via 192.168.0.8

No, you've misread it. The OP is using two routers because he's connecting
wirelessly in another building. The two NICs in his computer have nothing
to do with this. The flow is:

Some sort of cable/dsl modem>Netgear router>switch>Compex router

He probably has ethernet pulled through the walls/ceiling going to the other
building with those cables starting at the switch and terminating at
dataports in the walls. The Compex must be connected to one of these
dataports which will work nicely when configured correctly (which it
wasn't).

The computers (not just one) can see the wireless network provided by the
Compex but couldn't get onto the Internet because the OP had two routers.
Changing the Compex's settings will take care of that.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

rock
Tue Aug 12 02:03:42 PDT 2008

Malke wrote:
> James Egan wrote:
>
>
>> If I have read it correctly, there are two nics on one of the xp
>> machines which are currently set to 192.168.0.8 and 192.168.168.1
>>
>> These interfaces would need to be bridged for this (above) to work.
>>
>> It looks like the current scenario uses routing not bridging but needs
>> one or two static routes to enable the connection.
>>
>> The most common error in setting up such static routes is a missing
>> route on the main netgear router to send traffic for network
>> 192.168.168.0 via 192.168.0.8
>
> No, you've misread it. The OP is using two routers because he's connecting
> wirelessly in another building. The two NICs in his computer have nothing
> to do with this. The flow is:
>
> Some sort of cable/dsl modem>Netgear router>switch>Compex router
>
> He probably has ethernet pulled through the walls/ceiling going to the other
> building with those cables starting at the switch and terminating at
> dataports in the walls. The Compex must be connected to one of these
> dataports which will work nicely when configured correctly (which it
> wasn't).
>
> The computers (not just one) can see the wireless network provided by the
> Compex but couldn't get onto the Internet because the OP had two routers.
> Changing the Compex's settings will take care of that.
>
> Malke


Yes Malke that set up is correct.

I will get some time tonight hopefully to try the changes.

Many thanks to everyone for their time and advice.

Malke
Tue Aug 12 06:19:59 PDT 2008

rock wrote:

>> Some sort of cable/dsl modem>Netgear router>switch>Compex router
>>
>> He probably has ethernet pulled through the walls/ceiling going to the
>> other building with those cables starting at the switch and terminating
>> at dataports in the walls. The Compex must be connected to one of these
>> dataports which will work nicely when configured correctly (which it
>> wasn't).
>>
>> The computers (not just one) can see the wireless network provided by the
>> Compex but couldn't get onto the Internet because the OP had two routers.
>> Changing the Compex's settings will take care of that.

> Yes Malke that set up is correct.
>
> I will get some time tonight hopefully to try the changes.

Great. Post back if you have problems, although I don't expect you will. We
use that setup all the time to get wireless access to further buildings
like classrooms or offices in another building without needing to buy a
separate Internet connection from an ISP.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

rock
Tue Aug 12 16:56:23 PDT 2008

Malke wrote:
> rock wrote:
>
>>> Some sort of cable/dsl modem>Netgear router>switch>Compex router
>>>
>>> He probably has ethernet pulled through the walls/ceiling going to the
>>> other building with those cables starting at the switch and terminating
>>> at dataports in the walls. The Compex must be connected to one of these
>>> dataports which will work nicely when configured correctly (which it
>>> wasn't).
>>>
>>> The computers (not just one) can see the wireless network provided by the
>>> Compex but couldn't get onto the Internet because the OP had two routers.
>>> Changing the Compex's settings will take care of that.
>
>> Yes Malke that set up is correct.
>>
>> I will get some time tonight hopefully to try the changes.
>
> Great. Post back if you have problems, although I don't expect you will. We
> use that setup all the time to get wireless access to further buildings
> like classrooms or offices in another building without needing to buy a
> separate Internet connection from an ISP.
>
> Malke

Yes thanks.

Sure enough it worked as you knew it would.

Only network probs I have now is to get the best out of our Voip
connection. We have had it for well over a year and it was fine but now
at it breaks up or they can't hear at the other end so many times, we
have had to stop using it..

I am with a company called Engin in Oz and also just starting to use Skype.

I have been advised to get a Switch rather than the old wired 16 hub I
have and to get a router with Voip capabilities rather than the Netgear
WGT624 one.

You know anything about this?

Thanks again Malke really appreciate the help..

oz in Sydney

Malke
Wed Aug 13 05:53:35 PDT 2008

rock wrote:

> Yes thanks.
>
> Sure enough it worked as you knew it would.
>
> Only network probs I have now is to get the best out of our Voip
> connection. We have had it for well over a year and it was fine but now
> at it breaks up or they can't hear at the other end so many times, we
> have had to stop using it..
>
> I am with a company called Engin in Oz and also just starting to use
> Skype.
>
> I have been advised to get a Switch rather than the old wired 16 hub I
> have and to get a router with Voip capabilities rather than the Netgear
> WGT624 one.
>
> You know anything about this?
>

I really don't know much about VoIP and I do know that Skype can be
problematic. But you definitely should be using a quality switch instead of
a hub. Hubs are obsolete technology and are dumb, meaning that they don't
direct network traffic; everything goes everywhere over the network and
that usually will cause bandwidth congestion. Switches are intelligent and
will direct traffic to the correct computer(s).

Also, it is important to use the best quality hardware for the job no matter
what you do. This means not spending more than is warranted but also not
spending less. I'm guessing that as things stand now you have bandwidth
problems because of cheap, old, substandard hardware. This could definitely
negatively impact your Voip/Skype functions.

Getting a good switch and a router that supports VoIP is probably your next
step.


Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

rock
Thu Aug 14 15:46:13 PDT 2008

Malke wrote:
> rock wrote:
>
>> Yes thanks.
>>
>> Sure enough it worked as you knew it would.
>>
>> Only network probs I have now is to get the best out of our Voip
>> connection. We have had it for well over a year and it was fine but now
>> at it breaks up or they can't hear at the other end so many times, we
>> have had to stop using it..
>>
>> I am with a company called Engin in Oz and also just starting to use
>> Skype.
>>
>> I have been advised to get a Switch rather than the old wired 16 hub I
>> have and to get a router with Voip capabilities rather than the Netgear
>> WGT624 one.
>>
>> You know anything about this?
>>
>
> I really don't know much about VoIP and I do know that Skype can be
> problematic. But you definitely should be using a quality switch instead of
> a hub. Hubs are obsolete technology and are dumb, meaning that they don't
> direct network traffic; everything goes everywhere over the network and
> that usually will cause bandwidth congestion. Switches are intelligent and
> will direct traffic to the correct computer(s).
>
> Also, it is important to use the best quality hardware for the job no matter
> what you do. This means not spending more than is warranted but also not
> spending less. I'm guessing that as things stand now you have bandwidth
> problems because of cheap, old, substandard hardware. This could definitely
> negatively impact your Voip/Skype functions.
>
> Getting a good switch and a router that supports VoIP is probably your next
> step.
>
>
> Malke


Thanks again..

Out shopping!!

rock