Transferring to CD

I opened a new project in MM2, imported clips from two CDs, edited them,
made that into one movie on the hard disk. One WMV file was created with a
file size of 680 mb. It took almost two hours for the system to make that
movie.

I wanted to transfer this onto a CD, selected Nero as the application, went
in for making Video CD option. Nero firstly encoded the whole file (into
what format, I don't know..), made a file of 380 mb. This took nearly an
hour.

Then the CD burning started, it didn't take much time. After the burn was
completed, the total size of the files on CD was 440 mb.

Finally, when I view the CD in a stand alone DVD player, the lip sync is
gone (it's a music programme on stage.)

Three issues I would like to get wisdom on:

1. How to find out how big a file would be created on the CD? (I restricted
the file size of the WMV file with editing/reediting to 680 mb, thinking
that anything more than that wouldn't work, considering the CD size of 700
mb)

2. What causes bad lip sync?

3. Do the above processes really take such a long time? Or should I tweak
the system in a particular way?

Regards,
Murthy

Rehan
Fri Mar 25 05:29:00 CST 2005

Final file size on a VCD/SVCD or a DVD would depend on total movie "length"
not the file size as saved in WMV or AVI format.

If your final goal is to burn the edited movie on a VCD or DVD then you
should output from Movie Maker in DV AVI format. This can be selected in the
"Save Movie" wizard in the 2nd/3rd step which says "Movie Setting" and gives
only one option by default "Best quality for my computer (recommended)".
Look closely, underneath this option it says "Show more choices...".
Clicking on it will show more choices and from the drop down box you can
select DV AVI.

Nero encodes in MPEG1 format for making a VCD. For DVD or SVCD it would
require encoding to MPEG2. The encoding quality is determined by "bitrate"
which nero may not allow you to control (perhaps the latest version does?).


The lipsync problem is caused by many factors among which are:

1. Interfering background processes while encoding
2. Input in highly compressed format such as WMV
3. Low system resources

Try to eliminate these and try again.

Happy movie making.

--
Rehan
www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker



"Ramana Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eqt8i9RMFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I opened a new project in MM2, imported clips from two CDs, edited them,
> made that into one movie on the hard disk. One WMV file was created with
> a
> file size of 680 mb. It took almost two hours for the system to make that
> movie.
>
> I wanted to transfer this onto a CD, selected Nero as the application,
> went
> in for making Video CD option. Nero firstly encoded the whole file (into
> what format, I don't know..), made a file of 380 mb. This took nearly an
> hour.
>
> Then the CD burning started, it didn't take much time. After the burn was
> completed, the total size of the files on CD was 440 mb.
>
> Finally, when I view the CD in a stand alone DVD player, the lip sync is
> gone (it's a music programme on stage.)
>
> Three issues I would like to get wisdom on:
>
> 1. How to find out how big a file would be created on the CD? (I
> restricted
> the file size of the WMV file with editing/reediting to 680 mb, thinking
> that anything more than that wouldn't work, considering the CD size of 700
> mb)
>
> 2. What causes bad lip sync?
>
> 3. Do the above processes really take such a long time? Or should I tweak
> the system in a particular way?
>
> Regards,
> Murthy
>
>

Murthy
Fri Mar 25 06:56:29 CST 2005

I understand that option, saving in DV-AVI format.

I understand that DV-AVI files are very huge. Do they occupy the same space
on a CD also? Or do they get compressed before they are burnt onto a CD?

Regards,
Murthy

"Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:#1GUU3SMFHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Final file size on a VCD/SVCD or a DVD would depend on total movie
"length"
> not the file size as saved in WMV or AVI format.
>
> If your final goal is to burn the edited movie on a VCD or DVD then you
> should output from Movie Maker in DV AVI format. This can be selected in
the
> "Save Movie" wizard in the 2nd/3rd step which says "Movie Setting" and
gives
> only one option by default "Best quality for my computer (recommended)".
> Look closely, underneath this option it says "Show more choices...".
> Clicking on it will show more choices and from the drop down box you can
> select DV AVI.
>
> Nero encodes in MPEG1 format for making a VCD. For DVD or SVCD it would
> require encoding to MPEG2. The encoding quality is determined by "bitrate"
> which nero may not allow you to control (perhaps the latest version
does?).
>
>
> The lipsync problem is caused by many factors among which are:
>
> 1. Interfering background processes while encoding
> 2. Input in highly compressed format such as WMV
> 3. Low system resources
>
> Try to eliminate these and try again.
>
> Happy movie making.
>
> --
> Rehan
> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>
>
>
> "Ramana Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eqt8i9RMFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >I opened a new project in MM2, imported clips from two CDs, edited them,
> > made that into one movie on the hard disk. One WMV file was created
with
> > a
> > file size of 680 mb. It took almost two hours for the system to make
that
> > movie.
> >
> > I wanted to transfer this onto a CD, selected Nero as the application,
> > went
> > in for making Video CD option. Nero firstly encoded the whole file
(into
> > what format, I don't know..), made a file of 380 mb. This took nearly an
> > hour.
> >
> > Then the CD burning started, it didn't take much time. After the burn
was
> > completed, the total size of the files on CD was 440 mb.
> >
> > Finally, when I view the CD in a stand alone DVD player, the lip sync is
> > gone (it's a music programme on stage.)
> >
> > Three issues I would like to get wisdom on:
> >
> > 1. How to find out how big a file would be created on the CD? (I
> > restricted
> > the file size of the WMV file with editing/reediting to 680 mb, thinking
> > that anything more than that wouldn't work, considering the CD size of
700
> > mb)
> >
> > 2. What causes bad lip sync?
> >
> > 3. Do the above processes really take such a long time? Or should I
tweak
> > the system in a particular way?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Murthy
> >
> >
>
>

Murthy
Fri Mar 25 07:22:47 CST 2005

And, I posted a question on bad lip sync. That is - audio going ahead of
video or vice versa.

Regards,
Murthy

"Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:#1GUU3SMFHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Final file size on a VCD/SVCD or a DVD would depend on total movie
"length"
> not the file size as saved in WMV or AVI format.
>
> If your final goal is to burn the edited movie on a VCD or DVD then you
> should output from Movie Maker in DV AVI format. This can be selected in
the
> "Save Movie" wizard in the 2nd/3rd step which says "Movie Setting" and
gives
> only one option by default "Best quality for my computer (recommended)".
> Look closely, underneath this option it says "Show more choices...".
> Clicking on it will show more choices and from the drop down box you can
> select DV AVI.
>
> Nero encodes in MPEG1 format for making a VCD. For DVD or SVCD it would
> require encoding to MPEG2. The encoding quality is determined by "bitrate"
> which nero may not allow you to control (perhaps the latest version
does?).
>
>
> The lipsync problem is caused by many factors among which are:
>
> 1. Interfering background processes while encoding
> 2. Input in highly compressed format such as WMV
> 3. Low system resources
>
> Try to eliminate these and try again.
>
> Happy movie making.
>
> --
> Rehan
> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>
>
>
> "Ramana Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eqt8i9RMFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >I opened a new project in MM2, imported clips from two CDs, edited them,
> > made that into one movie on the hard disk. One WMV file was created
with
> > a
> > file size of 680 mb. It took almost two hours for the system to make
that
> > movie.
> >
> > I wanted to transfer this onto a CD, selected Nero as the application,
> > went
> > in for making Video CD option. Nero firstly encoded the whole file
(into
> > what format, I don't know..), made a file of 380 mb. This took nearly an
> > hour.
> >
> > Then the CD burning started, it didn't take much time. After the burn
was
> > completed, the total size of the files on CD was 440 mb.
> >
> > Finally, when I view the CD in a stand alone DVD player, the lip sync is
> > gone (it's a music programme on stage.)
> >
> > Three issues I would like to get wisdom on:
> >
> > 1. How to find out how big a file would be created on the CD? (I
> > restricted
> > the file size of the WMV file with editing/reediting to 680 mb, thinking
> > that anything more than that wouldn't work, considering the CD size of
700
> > mb)
> >
> > 2. What causes bad lip sync?
> >
> > 3. Do the above processes really take such a long time? Or should I
tweak
> > the system in a particular way?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Murthy
> >
> >
>
>

Rehan
Fri Mar 25 08:05:36 CST 2005

I have answered the lipsync question too in my first message.

--
Rehan
www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker



"Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23QQT82TMFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> And, I posted a question on bad lip sync. That is - audio going ahead of
> video or vice versa.
>
> Regards,
> Murthy
>
> "Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:#1GUU3SMFHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Final file size on a VCD/SVCD or a DVD would depend on total movie
> "length"
>> not the file size as saved in WMV or AVI format.
>>
>> If your final goal is to burn the edited movie on a VCD or DVD then you
>> should output from Movie Maker in DV AVI format. This can be selected in
> the
>> "Save Movie" wizard in the 2nd/3rd step which says "Movie Setting" and
> gives
>> only one option by default "Best quality for my computer (recommended)".
>> Look closely, underneath this option it says "Show more choices...".
>> Clicking on it will show more choices and from the drop down box you can
>> select DV AVI.
>>
>> Nero encodes in MPEG1 format for making a VCD. For DVD or SVCD it would
>> require encoding to MPEG2. The encoding quality is determined by
>> "bitrate"
>> which nero may not allow you to control (perhaps the latest version
> does?).
>>
>>
>> The lipsync problem is caused by many factors among which are:
>>
>> 1. Interfering background processes while encoding
>> 2. Input in highly compressed format such as WMV
>> 3. Low system resources
>>
>> Try to eliminate these and try again.
>>
>> Happy movie making.
>>
>> --
>> Rehan
>> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ramana Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eqt8i9RMFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >I opened a new project in MM2, imported clips from two CDs, edited them,
>> > made that into one movie on the hard disk. One WMV file was created
> with
>> > a
>> > file size of 680 mb. It took almost two hours for the system to make
> that
>> > movie.
>> >
>> > I wanted to transfer this onto a CD, selected Nero as the application,
>> > went
>> > in for making Video CD option. Nero firstly encoded the whole file
> (into
>> > what format, I don't know..), made a file of 380 mb. This took nearly
>> > an
>> > hour.
>> >
>> > Then the CD burning started, it didn't take much time. After the burn
> was
>> > completed, the total size of the files on CD was 440 mb.
>> >
>> > Finally, when I view the CD in a stand alone DVD player, the lip sync
>> > is
>> > gone (it's a music programme on stage.)
>> >
>> > Three issues I would like to get wisdom on:
>> >
>> > 1. How to find out how big a file would be created on the CD? (I
>> > restricted
>> > the file size of the WMV file with editing/reediting to 680 mb,
>> > thinking
>> > that anything more than that wouldn't work, considering the CD size of
> 700
>> > mb)
>> >
>> > 2. What causes bad lip sync?
>> >
>> > 3. Do the above processes really take such a long time? Or should I
> tweak
>> > the system in a particular way?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Murthy
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Rehan
Fri Mar 25 08:13:28 CST 2005

"Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ucx$PoTMFHA.656@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

> I understand that DV-AVI files are very huge. Do they occupy the same
> space
> on a CD also? Or do they get compressed before they are burnt onto a CD?

They occupy different size when burnt as a VCD or DVD depending on the
encoding. Generally a standard VCD can contain about 40 min of video but the
quality is low.

A DVD can contain at least an hour length of high quality video.

For more info see: http://www.videohelp.com

--
Rehan
www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker



"Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ucx$PoTMFHA.656@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>I understand that option, saving in DV-AVI format.
>
> I understand that DV-AVI files are very huge. Do they occupy the same
> space
> on a CD also? Or do they get compressed before they are burnt onto a CD?
>
> Regards,
> Murthy
>
> "Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:#1GUU3SMFHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> Final file size on a VCD/SVCD or a DVD would depend on total movie
> "length"
>> not the file size as saved in WMV or AVI format.
>>
>> If your final goal is to burn the edited movie on a VCD or DVD then you
>> should output from Movie Maker in DV AVI format. This can be selected in
> the
>> "Save Movie" wizard in the 2nd/3rd step which says "Movie Setting" and
> gives
>> only one option by default "Best quality for my computer (recommended)".
>> Look closely, underneath this option it says "Show more choices...".
>> Clicking on it will show more choices and from the drop down box you can
>> select DV AVI.
>>
>> Nero encodes in MPEG1 format for making a VCD. For DVD or SVCD it would
>> require encoding to MPEG2. The encoding quality is determined by
>> "bitrate"
>> which nero may not allow you to control (perhaps the latest version
> does?).
>>
>>
>> The lipsync problem is caused by many factors among which are:
>>
>> 1. Interfering background processes while encoding
>> 2. Input in highly compressed format such as WMV
>> 3. Low system resources
>>
>> Try to eliminate these and try again.
>>
>> Happy movie making.
>>
>> --
>> Rehan
>> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ramana Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:eqt8i9RMFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> >I opened a new project in MM2, imported clips from two CDs, edited them,
>> > made that into one movie on the hard disk. One WMV file was created
> with
>> > a
>> > file size of 680 mb. It took almost two hours for the system to make
> that
>> > movie.
>> >
>> > I wanted to transfer this onto a CD, selected Nero as the application,
>> > went
>> > in for making Video CD option. Nero firstly encoded the whole file
> (into
>> > what format, I don't know..), made a file of 380 mb. This took nearly
>> > an
>> > hour.
>> >
>> > Then the CD burning started, it didn't take much time. After the burn
> was
>> > completed, the total size of the files on CD was 440 mb.
>> >
>> > Finally, when I view the CD in a stand alone DVD player, the lip sync
>> > is
>> > gone (it's a music programme on stage.)
>> >
>> > Three issues I would like to get wisdom on:
>> >
>> > 1. How to find out how big a file would be created on the CD? (I
>> > restricted
>> > the file size of the WMV file with editing/reediting to 680 mb,
>> > thinking
>> > that anything more than that wouldn't work, considering the CD size of
> 700
>> > mb)
>> >
>> > 2. What causes bad lip sync?
>> >
>> > 3. Do the above processes really take such a long time? Or should I
> tweak
>> > the system in a particular way?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Murthy
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Murthy
Fri Mar 25 08:24:06 CST 2005

Thanks, Mr Rehan, I will follow the links.

Thanks for the info on lipsync also, I missed it in the first reply.

Regards,
Murthy

"Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:ud8D1OUMFHA.2420@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> I have answered the lipsync question too in my first message.
>
> --
> Rehan
> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
>
>
>
> "Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23QQT82TMFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > And, I posted a question on bad lip sync. That is - audio going ahead
of
> > video or vice versa.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Murthy
> >
> > "Rehan" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:#1GUU3SMFHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> Final file size on a VCD/SVCD or a DVD would depend on total movie
> > "length"
> >> not the file size as saved in WMV or AVI format.
> >>
> >> If your final goal is to burn the edited movie on a VCD or DVD then you
> >> should output from Movie Maker in DV AVI format. This can be selected
in
> > the
> >> "Save Movie" wizard in the 2nd/3rd step which says "Movie Setting" and
> > gives
> >> only one option by default "Best quality for my computer
(recommended)".
> >> Look closely, underneath this option it says "Show more choices...".
> >> Clicking on it will show more choices and from the drop down box you
can
> >> select DV AVI.
> >>
> >> Nero encodes in MPEG1 format for making a VCD. For DVD or SVCD it would
> >> require encoding to MPEG2. The encoding quality is determined by
> >> "bitrate"
> >> which nero may not allow you to control (perhaps the latest version
> > does?).
> >>
> >>
> >> The lipsync problem is caused by many factors among which are:
> >>
> >> 1. Interfering background processes while encoding
> >> 2. Input in highly compressed format such as WMV
> >> 3. Low system resources
> >>
> >> Try to eliminate these and try again.
> >>
> >> Happy movie making.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rehan
> >> www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Ramana Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eqt8i9RMFHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >> >I opened a new project in MM2, imported clips from two CDs, edited
them,
> >> > made that into one movie on the hard disk. One WMV file was created
> > with
> >> > a
> >> > file size of 680 mb. It took almost two hours for the system to make
> > that
> >> > movie.
> >> >
> >> > I wanted to transfer this onto a CD, selected Nero as the
application,
> >> > went
> >> > in for making Video CD option. Nero firstly encoded the whole file
> > (into
> >> > what format, I don't know..), made a file of 380 mb. This took nearly
> >> > an
> >> > hour.
> >> >
> >> > Then the CD burning started, it didn't take much time. After the
burn
> > was
> >> > completed, the total size of the files on CD was 440 mb.
> >> >
> >> > Finally, when I view the CD in a stand alone DVD player, the lip sync
> >> > is
> >> > gone (it's a music programme on stage.)
> >> >
> >> > Three issues I would like to get wisdom on:
> >> >
> >> > 1. How to find out how big a file would be created on the CD? (I
> >> > restricted
> >> > the file size of the WMV file with editing/reediting to 680 mb,
> >> > thinking
> >> > that anything more than that wouldn't work, considering the CD size
of
> > 700
> >> > mb)
> >> >
> >> > 2. What causes bad lip sync?
> >> >
> >> > 3. Do the above processes really take such a long time? Or should I
> > tweak
> >> > the system in a particular way?
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Murthy
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

John
Sat Mar 26 12:33:29 CST 2005

Hello,

I would just like to add a little correction....The final size of the video
no matter what type of disc you save it to is limited ONLY by the capacity
of the disk.

The duration of a video is entirely dependent upon the quality of the saved
file. Users of limited software with only one quality setting probably
believe there is only one quality, or perhaps (like some Instant Experts)
the thought of an alternative quality never enters their mind!!

Using a program like Nero for example gives the ability to create a VCD,
SVCD, DVD and several higher standard disks and within the environment for
creating any of those types is the ability to alter the quality. The
consequence of altering the quality up or down is to increase or lower the
total duration possible. Using such a disk to its maximum capacity simply
means you have filled it with data it does not convey any description of
how long the video is.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly

Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

Murthy
Sat Mar 26 21:51:52 CST 2005

I got two conflicting opinions.

Rehan says it all depends on the length of the movie. (Yes, nero burning
has a time line also to substantiate this)

John says it depends on the size of the file - it's quite logical and the
fundamental thing.

So, I really don't know which really decides.

But my problem was also that I was not able to make any calculation of files
being generated. If you please refer to my post, there were files created
for 680mb (Original WMV file), 380mb (file encoded by Nero), 440mb (the
final file on the CD),

How to be sure that file of which size will exactly fit into the CD?

Regards,
Murthy

"John Kelly" <not@dot.com> wrote in message
news:ZVh1e.5895$Ab.4402@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Hello,
>
> I would just like to add a little correction....The final size of the
video
> no matter what type of disc you save it to is limited ONLY by the capacity
> of the disk.
>
> The duration of a video is entirely dependent upon the quality of the
saved
> file. Users of limited software with only one quality setting probably
> believe there is only one quality, or perhaps (like some Instant Experts)
> the thought of an alternative quality never enters their mind!!
>
> Using a program like Nero for example gives the ability to create a VCD,
> SVCD, DVD and several higher standard disks and within the environment for
> creating any of those types is the ability to alter the quality. The
> consequence of altering the quality up or down is to increase or lower the
> total duration possible. Using such a disk to its maximum capacity simply
> means you have filled it with data it does not convey any description of
> how long the video is.
>
> --
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>
> Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk

John
Sun Mar 27 04:03:14 CST 2005

Hello,

When using Nero to create the disc you will see at the bottom of most of
the dialogs a visual indicator. The program already knowing the target
media type shows how much of the target is taken up by what you have so far
done. If the indicator goes over the capacity for the disc it will warn you
and offer a solution. The solution I find is to dramatic (it lowers the
quality of the video say from High to Standard) If you answer NO at that
stage and click on MORE >>> you will find options to alter the data rate by
increments of 1Kb/s. You can therefore, change the quality by small
increments until the indicator is just inside the capacity of the intended
disk.

I usually ignore the warnings until everything else has been done...chapter
points full motion menus etc (where applicable) and then tweak the data
rate so that the whole production just fits the disk. This way I get the
best quality for the whole content on that type of disk.

Because Nero has the ability to create a disc image as well as just burning
to disk and because it can then mount that image so that XP believes it has
suddenly acquired a new DVD or CD drive I can, when I am not sure about
what I have done, preview the REAL quality without wasting a disk if the
quality is not good enough. On those occasions I opt for a Dual Layer DVD
disk, increase the data rate and burn to that type of disk instead. The
same can be said if the original target was VCD...if the quality adjustment
leaves you with undesirable results...simply change the target to SVCD etc.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly

Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

Rehan
Sun Mar 27 05:50:29 CST 2005

Murthy

There are two file sizes:

A. Size of the file as saved from Movie Maker
B. Size of the file produced by Nero after encoding.

I was referring to A. This has no significance for the final output on Disk
or B. Only the length of the movie saved in step A would matter.

The reason is that the format of the saved movie in step A is different from
the one required to make a VCD/DVD. Movie Maker can save in various formats
one of whichis DV AVI and if you select this one then the file size will be
about 13GB for one hour of video.

However Nero would encode the movie into MPEG2 format with either standard
settings of compression or your selected settings for bitrate and other
parameters (the version I have been using didnt have these custom options).
The only parameter from step A that has any affect in this step (B) is
length of the movie.

The custom options for step B if available would allow you to control the
settings (bitrate) so that the final file size B will fit on a disk.


--
Rehan
www.rehanfx.org - get transitions and effects for Windows Movie Maker



"Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23MxoPBoMFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I got two conflicting opinions.
>
> Rehan says it all depends on the length of the movie. (Yes, nero burning
> has a time line also to substantiate this)
>
> John says it depends on the size of the file - it's quite logical and the
> fundamental thing.
>
> So, I really don't know which really decides.
>
> But my problem was also that I was not able to make any calculation of
> files
> being generated. If you please refer to my post, there were files created
> for 680mb (Original WMV file), 380mb (file encoded by Nero), 440mb (the
> final file on the CD),
>
> How to be sure that file of which size will exactly fit into the CD?
>
> Regards,
> Murthy
>
> "John Kelly" <not@dot.com> wrote in message
> news:ZVh1e.5895$Ab.4402@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would just like to add a little correction....The final size of the
> video
>> no matter what type of disc you save it to is limited ONLY by the
>> capacity
>> of the disk.
>>
>> The duration of a video is entirely dependent upon the quality of the
> saved
>> file. Users of limited software with only one quality setting probably
>> believe there is only one quality, or perhaps (like some Instant Experts)
>> the thought of an alternative quality never enters their mind!!
>>
>> Using a program like Nero for example gives the ability to create a VCD,
>> SVCD, DVD and several higher standard disks and within the environment
>> for
>> creating any of those types is the ability to alter the quality. The
>> consequence of altering the quality up or down is to increase or lower
>> the
>> total duration possible. Using such a disk to its maximum capacity simply
>> means you have filled it with data it does not convey any description of
>> how long the video is.
>>
>> --
>> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>>
>> Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
>> www.the-kellys.org
>> www.the-kellys.co.uk
>
>

John
Sun Mar 27 07:19:05 CST 2005

LOL,

And that ladies and gentlemen is the case for the defence.....or put
another way, How to confuse the hell out of everyone listening....

The options referred to as Custom, are in fact very standard options in
Nero (We are now on the free upgrade to Nero 6.6) and I think they are
standard to Nero 5 as well, I have a copy but can't be bothered to install
it and find out. They are also standard to DVD Complete (another program
all together that I use) So I guess they are pretty standard all
over....certainly NOT custom If you are in a rush to prove some point, or
an Instant Expert, it would I suppose be easy to miss the standard options
within Nero that allow for a professional finish to your movie. I guess its
easy to miss that great big button in those cases.

--
Best Wishes.....John Kelly

Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
www.the-kellys.org
www.the-kellys.co.uk

Wojo
Mon Mar 28 17:41:35 CST 2005

I think this is all getting a little confusing.
John isn't saying it depends on the original size.
Rehan *is* saying it depends on the length of the movie.
For the most part they are both right. What you seem to be having a hard
time with is that you can make virtually *any* project fit on a DVD with the
right software but you may be very unhappy with the results.
The original size of the file as created by Movie Maker means absolutely
nothing to the DVD authoring program. The length of the movie does if you
want to create your DVD with the *full* quality of the file you import. If
your ok with losing some of that quality you can adjust the quality which
will remove frames and shorten the video. The better option is adjusting
bitrates, as I think John suggested, since that will be a lesser impact on
the final quality and still enable you to get the thing on a DVD.
So looking at the different options in some ways the size matters in some
ways the length matters.
This probably confused you even more, sorry about that, but hopefully you
understand a bit better now too.

--
I am not an MVP or VIP and I don't work for the DOT or DMV
I am only ME. IE: Info provided asis
If it helps, great! If not, sorry, don't kill the messenger
www.remember-christopher.dostweb.com

"Murthy" <murthyavr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23MxoPBoMFHA.3144@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>I got two conflicting opinions.
>
> Rehan says it all depends on the length of the movie. (Yes, nero burning
> has a time line also to substantiate this)
>
> John says it depends on the size of the file - it's quite logical and the
> fundamental thing.
>
> So, I really don't know which really decides.
>
> But my problem was also that I was not able to make any calculation of
> files
> being generated. If you please refer to my post, there were files created
> for 680mb (Original WMV file), 380mb (file encoded by Nero), 440mb (the
> final file on the CD),
>
> How to be sure that file of which size will exactly fit into the CD?
>
> Regards,
> Murthy
>
> "John Kelly" <not@dot.com> wrote in message
> news:ZVh1e.5895$Ab.4402@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would just like to add a little correction....The final size of the
> video
>> no matter what type of disc you save it to is limited ONLY by the
>> capacity
>> of the disk.
>>
>> The duration of a video is entirely dependent upon the quality of the
> saved
>> file. Users of limited software with only one quality setting probably
>> believe there is only one quality, or perhaps (like some Instant Experts)
>> the thought of an alternative quality never enters their mind!!
>>
>> Using a program like Nero for example gives the ability to create a VCD,
>> SVCD, DVD and several higher standard disks and within the environment
>> for
>> creating any of those types is the ability to alter the quality. The
>> consequence of altering the quality up or down is to increase or lower
>> the
>> total duration possible. Using such a disk to its maximum capacity simply
>> means you have filled it with data it does not convey any description of
>> how long the video is.
>>
>> --
>> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
>>
>> Check out the free hosting for your pictures and video at...
>> www.the-kellys.org
>> www.the-kellys.co.uk
>
>